Medicinal use YES OR NO

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

To tell you the truth, I got really, really angry reading that post, but I can't blame your ignorance. I recently have been diagnosed with cancer and have been hocked up on morphine, and dahila for days. Painkillers that come with nasty side effects such as Nausea, Constipation, Appetite loss, and a constant feeling of being sick. To treat the Nausea, they gave me an IV of anti-nausea medication, which didn't do jack shit. They apparently have a medicine for every ailment, but one after another, it comes with a different side effect that makes my pain worse.

Now since marijuana is a pain-killer, I don't see why it has no medicinal value. I have no doubt in my mind if I had marijuana instead, I wouldn't be having such painful side effects. I wouldn't be constipated, I wouldn't have Nausea, I would be eating properly, I wouldn't feel so goddamn sick.

The truth of the matter is marijuana would make many of the drugs on the hospital obsolete and rendered useless. I'm convinced. After all, at the moment, I have private consultants deciding what drugs are best for me. The truth of the matter is, marijuana or hashish could and will do more wonders for me than Morphine, Fentanyl, Dahlia, Ibuprofin, or anything they came come up with.

To say it wouldn't improve my current medical condition is really insulting, and I understand what medical marijuana patients go through now. It's amazing the new perspective gained after contracting a life-threatening disease.

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Do you even know the meaning of the word ignorance? I have sympathy for your condition and all, but that is such an incredible minority its not even funny. The vast majority of the world are smoking pot to get high, nothing else.. they do not have your rare condition in which they are all looking to use marijuana as the only way to alleviate themselves.

I've been sick at times too, and I've smoked and it made it all better. Its sort of like the high feeling far overtakes the original sick condition, which is why it works so well. But its hard to justify getting high as a medical treatment.

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i think it really is sad the way the government does these things... saying stuff like "medical marijuana is a myth created by potheads to try to get this terrible thing legalized"....all the lies and such... just makes me sad

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How is it a lie? All it would take is some simple browsing of this forum to find an endless amount of people who have absolutely no medical conditions, that still push for medicinal marijuana in order for a broader regulation of it. The DEA knows this, and have made it clear that its obviously not going to make any serious impact when it comes to legalizing marijuana. So i think its foolish to still be banking on it. The fact is, most of the world is smoking marijuana to get high, nothing else. I'll say that time and time again.

That may be true Dutch Masta, but what's your point? Whether you look at it smoked recreationally, industrial hemp or medically the laws need to change. Ooh, just because people smoke it for recreation it means....? The evil weed with junky smokers? Reefer madness? Terrible people who light up for fun, aren't we? Does this make us or the plant wrong or evil? Apparently it does in your eyes.

I smoke weed, at least usually, for recreation. At the moment I quit to concentrate on other things but I will probably come back to it. I am not stupid and highly successful. I do not drink, smoke cigarettes and have only rarely used any other drug. As for the DEA, well fuck them. They do not create the law, we do. When we put it to a referendum at the federal level and it becomes law guess what? The DEA will be forced to uphold the law because that is their job.

Are you a cop?

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Originally Posted by newactivist

That may be true Dutch Masta, but what's your point? Whether you look at it smoked recreationally, industrial hemp or medically the laws need to change. Ooh, just because people smoke it for recreation it means....? The evil weed with junky smokers? Reefer madness? Terrible people who light up for fun, aren't we? Does this make us or the plant wrong or evil? Apparently it does in your eyes.

I smoke weed, at least usually, for recreation. At the moment I quit to concentrate on other things but I will probably come back to it. I am not stupid and highly successful. I do not drink, smoke cigarettes and have only rarely used any other drug. As for the DEA, well fuck them. They do not create the law, we do. When we put it to a referendum at the federal level and it becomes law guess what? The DEA will be forced to uphold the law because that is their job.

Are you a cop?

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I don't deny the laws need to be changed. I think they are so far off from even a remotely intelligent attempt of controlling a society, its not even funny. I deny that there is any possibility of these changes, and I don't think anyone here realizes truly what a stretch it is for anything to change on a national level. Majority rules in our organized world, and the majority still does not want marijuana to be legalized. Allthough the last few decades, slowly but surely outlooks on the drug/substance use (or more specifically, alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana use) have began to gain an acceptance, as any parent with a child over the age of 16 at this day and age should be well aware of: the inevitability of the exposure to these substances. From there, and after the user decides to try these substances, comes any possible outcome from: occasional use, to frequent use, to dependance or addiction, or in a lot of cases substance progression. While most of us can safely stay at the occasional or frequent use level with no problems, not everyone has this ability, and this is where any concern comes from. I always prefer to consider alcohol and tobacco in with things like marijuana, coke, and heroin because they are still at heart, drugs. They just arent called drugs because they are legal, but they are the real "gateway drug".

The problem is, the drug trade "industry" is simply too large to be stopped by any possible means.. and thats the only thing the government is focusing on. That is, adressing a problem they have created themselves. The very outlawing of substances (from alcohol, to tobacco, to weed, to coke, to heroin) is what adds to all of the history of use of all these substances. Its only human nature that one wishes to feel inebriated and have that desire to escape from the world type feeling, since it helps millions get by with the hardships of life. But the laws have unfortunately convinced the rest of the world that all of that is wrong and should not be completely available to us, which eventually lead to an enormous, unstopable industry of alcohol industries, tobacco industires, and a never ending drug trade, where marijuana is readily supplied and available to every high school throughout the world, making it widely available, desireable, and beneficial to all. Which is why its also important to understand that if something as desireable as marijuana were made legal, corperations would simply eventually just take over it like they have with alcohol and tobacco.

Ok, I see your point and it's a good one. My position is that I don't really care whether corporations take it over or whether we get to grow it ourselves. What I care about, from the recreational side anyway, is that we stop decimating our youth by giving them criminal penalties for something their parents and grandparents did as well. All we're doing is funding FCoA (Future Convicts of America).

The only way I see to do that is to, minimum, decriminalize recreational use at the federal level.

Granted, people who use it medically or industrial hemp definitely deserve priority as far as legalization goes but just the social damage of the laws against recreational use is enough to make George Washington roll over in his grave.

I agree, most people can't handle the harder drugs if they use them long term. Also, I agree that the government has bitten off more than it can chew trying to get rid of so many drugs. That being said, if marijuana is legalized/decriminalized then they can focus on the worst problems such as meth. Marijuana accounts for roughly 90% or our drug arrests and if we could get all the police resources focused on the 10% we will crush these drugs. If the feds were truly intelligent they would allow safe legal recreational drugs to replace these hard drugs. Nobody would use something that dangerous if they had a better alternative.

Still believe in school drug testing though. I started at 13yo and wish I hadn't. For adults it should be legal but on the other hand we have to make sure our kids stay away from all drugs until they are old enough to make their own decisions. This stance may not be popular on this site but... well there it is.

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Originally Posted by Purple Banana

Now I can live my life to what I want to, regardless of what AMA thinks.

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Sounds like you're just one of those hippies! Damn hippy sex-fiend dopeheads! Putting dope in our schools and throwing it in our drinking water! You should be shot!

I am being completely sarcastic. MM should be legal. No questions asked. It's made very many people's lives livable again, free from pain, nausea, etc.

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Originally Posted by Buggsy

Marijuana: Yes or no to medicinal use?

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yes of course it should be

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Originally Posted by newactivist

Ok, I see your point and it's a good one. My position is that I don't really care whether corporations take it over or whether we get to grow it ourselves. What I care about, from the recreational side anyway, is that we stop decimating our youth by giving them criminal penalties for something their parents and grandparents did as well. All we're doing is funding FCoA (Future Convicts of America).

The only way I see to do that is to, minimum, decriminalize recreational use at the federal level.

Granted, people who use it medically or industrial hemp definitely deserve priority as far as legalization goes but just the social damage of the laws against recreational use is enough to make George Washington roll over in his grave.

I agree, most people can't handle the harder drugs if they use them long term. Also, I agree that the government has bitten off more than it can chew trying to get rid of so many drugs. That being said, if marijuana is legalized/decriminalized then they can focus on the worst problems such as meth. Marijuana accounts for roughly 90% or our drug arrests and if we could get all the police resources focused on the 10% we will crush these drugs. If the feds were truly intelligent they would allow safe legal recreational drugs to replace these hard drugs. Nobody would use something that dangerous if they had a better alternative.

Still believe in school drug testing though. I started at 13yo and wish I hadn't. For adults it should be legal but on the other hand we have to make sure our kids stay away from all drugs until they are old enough to make their own decisions. This stance may not be popular on this site but... well there it is.

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Mandatory drug testing is still a scary, scary thought. Even right now, if the government really wanted to just slap everyone in the face, they could address the failing "war on drugs" problem, and take that money and invest it in the equipment and personnel needed to enforce mandatory drug testing for all individuals (or select age individuals), and it could completely eliminate the so called, "problem". But whats controversial, is why drug use is considered a "problem"? and why do we simply overlook the fact that drugs are drugs. They are just substances that interact with us somehow, either desireable effects or not. The only reason smoking marijuana is looked down upon by anyone, is because it is "illegal".

But besides.. the drug trade is just so large and continues to grow and reproduce before our very eyes. Criminals today, are simply just people looking to get high but can't afford it. Where else is the source of crime? The mast majority of it is a result of the high cost values of drugs, and the difficulty to balance drug use and income. Which is why things like heroin and cocaine are so bad. Marijuana though, is simply the good kid who hangs out with the bad crowd. (Heroin, Meth, Coke, Crack) Imagine marijuana was a drug considered to be a mircale drug, such as Caffeine or any anti-depressant that is considered to be fairly acceptable in society. When you take a second to think about the value of a simple plant that grows from an ordinary seed.. its almost ridiculous. But what do we have to thank for the very growth of this industry? The law. What is the current accepted belief system in the regulation of life? The law. Sucks, but we just have to learn to live with it for the time being.

I'm happy I live in an area where weed is considered decriminalized, but its only a result of a general acceptance for it, and finally the classification of marijuana as a miracle drug. No serious consequences or addiciton with desireable effects. Around here, its almost laughable to consider the thought of jail time for simply weed. So everyone knows they are safe sticking to it, yet still understand an importance of keeping it on the low. Once everyone else catches on like this, the problem will finally be solved.

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Originally Posted by Dutch Masta

Do you even know the meaning of the word ignorance? I have sympathy for your condition and all, but that is such an incredible minority its not even funny. The vast majority of the world are smoking pot to get high, nothing else.. they do not have your rare condition in which they are all looking to use marijuana as the only way to alleviate themselves.

I've been sick at times too, and I've smoked and it made it all better. Its sort of like the high feeling far overtakes the original sick condition, which is why it works so well. But its hard to justify getting high as a medical treatment.



How is it a lie? All it would take is some simple browsing of this forum to find an endless amount of people who have absolutely no medical conditions, that still push for medicinal marijuana in order for a broader regulation of it. The DEA knows this, and have made it clear that its obviously not going to make any serious impact when it comes to legalizing marijuana. So i think its foolish to still be banking on it. The fact is, most of the world is smoking marijuana to get high, nothing else. I'll say that time and time again.

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You forgotten what you said. You stated that No one needs it for medicinal use. Even minorities rights need to be protected. The medicinal argument and legalization argument for recreational use are two separate arguments in my view.

Sure, the overwhelming majority smokes weed to get high, no question. That fact alone doesn't mean marijuana has no medicinal benefits.

Cannabis is apparently beneficial for preventing at least some cancers. Cancers of various kinds take a HUGE toll on society, killing people who would otherwise be productive members of society. While those who now have or will get cancer are a minority of the population, they are certainly not a TINY minority.

There is also some research that suggests that cannabis is useful in treating osteoporosis, the so-called 'silent killer', which primarily affects women as they get older. Add just the osteoporotic population to the population that has cancer now or will have it in the future, and add to those ranks those who have the various other diseases and disorders that cannabis can help with (AIDS, glaucoma, nausea, epilepsy, arthritis, sleep disorders, eating disorders, and so on), and I'd actually be surprised if the minority isn't the people who WOULDN'T benefit from cannabis in some way.

Mandatory testing is a scary thought if you try to apply it to adults. However, children in school is another matter entirely in my opinion. Nobody, even here on a pro marijuana site, believes children should do drugs. It would be easy for the government to sell to the public and it would have a far greater impact on our society in the future in terms of effectiveness than criminalizing adults. Decriminalize adult usage and use the money more wisely by keeping it out of our schools.

IMHO, testing should be for legal and illegal drugs for kids. They shouldn't be smoking cigarettes any more than weed or popping oxycontins. However, adults should not be tested and marijuana should be legalized to seperate hard drug dealers from the majority of the users.

You are right also, the law is the biggest promoter of illegal drugs in our society. This is not only because of the way it makes it profitable for criminal organizations but also that it keeps it in the public eye, advertising it. When marijuana was made illegal less than 1% of Americans had used it and now we are over 30%. If this is an effective drug policy I have a REALLY nice historic bridge to sell you!

Peace.