I don't "like" the war, just agree with it. And I don't "like" Bush...I love it...not G.W.!! LOL:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
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I don't "like" the war, just agree with it. And I don't "like" Bush...I love it...not G.W.!! LOL:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Sounds like a neo-con wanting to push a button!Quote:
Originally Posted by pisshead
GO PISSY!!!
China is greeeeeeeeeeat Ya they threaten America but dont let Iran say anything about the west,,,,Really if China had said the Holocaust never happened or a myth every1 would say "Thats there right and every1 is entitled to there own opinion" and it would just go down the memory hole...:thumbsup: .
With 10,000,000 civilian deaths and 4,000,000 military deaths I don't think the Chinese would argue about holocosts. It amazes me at how little their loss is really discussed...or made issue of today.
China did not threaten America. Jesus Christ, why can't people understand this? In what context was General Zhu's comment made? Does anyone here really know? What if he was asked a direct question: 'What would China do if..?" In that case he was just responding to a question. What was he suposed to say " Well, if the U.S attacks I guess we'll just all kiss George Bush's ass and start eating Texas bbq" ? And why is it such a surprise that China might actually have plans for using nukes? Let me break it to ya, the U.S. has plans for nuking China too. Probably hundreds of different plans for every imaginable scenario. Duh..Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
As far as China saying the Holocust never happened, well, you're probably right there. If they did we wouldn't do anything, Japan is proof of that. Japan committed unbelievable atrocities in China and Korea during WWII. They deny it and even re-write their history books but we say nothing.
HELL YES!!! The western world SHOULD step up to the plate and tell it like it is!! Kind of shows where the Japanese mind set is still at.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
Some news items i had saved....I dont care what any1 saids China is a threat just like Russia & the middle east...and our opened borders, I guess im an extremist and should be taken to a FEMA camp for reedumacation--lol:stoned:
newsmax.com
China Is a Threat to America
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, March 14, 2002
Chinese Weapons Development and Sales Are Directed Against the U.S.
China is angry at the United States. The communist Chinese government unsuccessfully pressed the Bush administration to deny permission for Taiwan's defense minister, Tang Yiau-ming, to attend an arms conference in Florida.
On Monday, Tang met with U.S. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz while visiting the U.S. defense industry conference. As a result of that meeting, the communist Chinese are furious.
"We express our strong dissatisfaction and indignation," stated Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi.
"We believe it will not only foster the arrogance of Taiwan independence forces, it will also damage Chinese-American relations and cross-strait ties," said Sun.
Communist spokesman Sun also noted that China was "deeply shocked" by a recently declassified report that named China as one of six possible nations that could face nuclear strikes from America. Sun stated that China was seeking an "official" explanation of the report from Washington. Sun emphasized that China is a peace-loving nation.
The U.S.-Chinese 'Bilateral Military Relationship'
Many in the U.S. press, academia and political structure characterize China as our "strategic partner," a nation with similar goals and views as the United States. The U.S. policy of appeasement, that China is a peaceful giant, was documented in the official correspondence of Clinton Defense Secretary William Perry.
In a 1995 letter to Chinese General Ding Henggao, U.S. Secretary of Defense Perry wrote that "advancing the military relationship between our two nations remains an objective which we agree serves the long-term interests of peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific Region."
Perry wrote quite clearly that the Clinton administration wanted close ties to Beijing by "reiterating my support for our bilateral military relationship."
Less than six months after Perry's offer for a "bilateral military relationship," the People's Liberation Army launched a simulated nuclear attack against the two largest cities in Taiwan. In 1996, the PLA Second Artillery Corps fired dummy missile warheads only a few miles off the Taiwanese coast.
The 1996 missile crisis nearly started World War III. The Clinton administration had to respond to Beijing's threat to start a nuclear war in the Straits of Taiwan. Clinton's reaction was to send in the U.S. Navy and our aircraft carriers.
Chinese Plans for Nuclear War With the U.S.
The Chinese military took quick notice of the U.S. carriers, and in 1999 the communist army Office of the Central Military Command wrote a report on future nuclear combat with the United States.
"China is not only a big country, but also possesses a nuclear arsenal that has long since been incorporated into the state warfare system and played a real role in our national defense," states the Chinese military commission report.
"During last crisis across the Taiwan Straits, the U.S. tried to blackmail us with their aircraft carrier(s), but when their spy satellites confirmed that our four nuclear submarines which used to be stationed at Lushun Harbor had disappeared, those politicians addicted to the Taiwan card could not imagine how worried their military commanders were," notes the Chinese army report.
"In comparison with the U.S. nuclear arsenal, our disadvantage is mainly numeric, while in real wars the qualitative gap will be reflected only as different requirements of strategic theory. In terms of deterrence, there is not any difference in practical value. So far we have built up the capability for the second and the third nuclear strikes and are fairly confident in fighting a nuclear war. The PCC has decided to pass through formal channels this message to the top leaders of the U.S. This is one of the concrete measures that we will take to prevent the escalation of war in the spirit of being responsible."
Chinese General Wants to Nuke L.A.
There is little question that China is "responsible" when it comes to nuclear war. Since 1996, the Chinese army has not stopped its acts of atomic-tipped aggression and intimidation. For example, two years after firing missiles at Taiwan, Gen. Xiong, then second in command of the People's Liberation Army, threatened to vaporize Los Angeles.
Not once during the entire 40-year Cold War between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. did any Soviet general threaten to vaporize an American city. It is certain that the Kremlin would have fired any officer who made such a statement, because of the threat to global peace.
In contrast, Gen. Xiong remains second in command of the People's Liberation Army, ready to hurl his nuclear forces into battle with America on a moment's notice.
According to the CIA, China is expected to continue its rapid deployment of ballistic missiles along the Chinese mainland, within striking distance of Taiwan.
China's short-range ballistic missile arsenal could reach "several hundred" by the year 2005, stated Robert Walpole, a national intelligence officer, during a Senate hearing on international security.
The CIA intelligence analyst also revealed that Beijing is working on three new intercontinental ballistic missiles, the Dong-Feng 31, a longer-range variant of the Dong-Feng 31, and the submarine-launched JL-2. The DF-31 and JL-2 both have an estimated range of over 7,000 miles and can shower the U.S. West Coast with nuclear warheads.
Chinese Nuclear Weapons Proliferation
In addition, the leaders in Beijing have taken every opportunity to export missile and nuclear warfare equipment to such nations as Iran, Pakistan and Iraq. The entire Pakistani atomic arsenal was built from scratch with the direct assistance of the Chinese military, including advanced nuclear warhead designs from PLA labs and nuclear-tipped missiles directly out of the Chinese army inventory.
The "National Intelligence Estimate," a threat analysis published by the CIA, noted that Beijing has "enabled emerging missile states to accelerate development timelines for their existing programs" and sold "turnkey systems to gain previously non-existent capabilities â?? in the case of the Chinese sale of the M-11 short-range ballistic missile to Pakistan."
In 2001, the U.S. lodged sanctions against the China Metallurgical Equipment Corp. after it continued to ship missile parts to Pakistan, violating Beijing's sixth promise to stop such exports. It should surprise no one that the People's Liberation Army owns China Metallurgical.
During the 1990s, the Chinese army also exported an advanced air defense network to Iraq through another front company, in direct violation of the U.N. ban on military sales to Baghdad. The Bush administration openly complained about Chinese military sales to Iraq and eventually bombed several sites occupied by Chinese military engineers working for Saddam Hussein.
"We raised earlier in the administration concerns about what might be going on with Iraq," stated Bush national security adviser Condoleezza Rice on Chinese missile proliferation.
However, the Chinese army sales to Iraq have not stopped. PLA front companies continue to provide camouflage for Beijing as it attempts to export more advanced weapons to Iraq.
For example, the harmless-sounding Shandong Arts and Craft Company is in fact a front for Chinese missile proliferation. In 2001, the firm acted as a cover for a PLA military delegation to Iraq seeking to sell advanced long-range missile technology to Saddam Hussein.
China Is a Threat
The China apologists in the United States assure us that the communist state is not a threat, that it is a peaceful nation prepared to take its place in the world. Their simplistic view of Chinese history omits the past 40 years of confrontation with America.
They refuse to see Beijing's growing inventory of advanced missiles, warships and planes. They ignore years of espionage and covert political influence through contributions to U.S. political campaigns. They continue to seek appeasement despite the overwhelming evidence of missile and nuclear weapon proliferation.
In the next 40 years, China will attempt to take its place among the world's superpowers. China's growing arsenal of advanced weapons will enable it to do so in a forceful and violent manner. It is time that we recognized what the People's Liberation Army already knows â?? that America is its No. 1 target
Chinese general shakes nukes at U.S.
By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times
Published July 16, 2005
WASHINGTON -- A senior general in the Chinese army threatened to use nuclear arms against the United States in a conflict over the Taiwan Strait, prompting the Bush administration to call the remarks "highly irresponsible."
"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition onto the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu said in yesterday's editions of the Financial Times and the Asian Wall Street Journal.
The comments were the most explicit statement of strategic intent by a Chinese military official since 1995, when another officer, Gen. Xiong Guangkai, implicitly threatened to use nuclear arms against Los Angeles if the United States intervened in a Taiwan conflict.
"If the Americans are determined to interfere ... we will be determined to respond," said Gen. Zhu, head of China's National Defense University. "We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian [in central China]. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called the remarks "highly irresponsible."
"We hope that these are not the views of the Chinese government," Mr. McCormack told reporters. "The United States is not a threat to China. We have a broad and deep relationship in which we try to work closely with the Chinese government on a variety of issues, and I think that the remarks from that one individual are unfortunate."
The comments come as the Pentagon is prepared to release its annual report to Congress on China's military. The report, according to Pentagon officials, will be the harshest assessment since 2000 on China's arms buildup, which includes a rapid deployment of ships, aircraft, missiles and other high-tech weaponry since 2002.
Gen. Zhu told the papers that his comments were personal remarks and not official policy, and that he did not believe China and the United States will go to war.
A Pentagon official, speaking on background, said Chinese generals normally express only official positions and that Gen. Zhu's comments represent the views of senior officers.
"These comments are a signal to all of Asia that China does not fear U.S. forces," the official said, adding that the general may have inadvertently disclosed elements of a Chinese war plan, or the disclosure was calculated and cleared in advance by senior political leaders.
China also is set to conduct its first joint military exercises with Russia this fall that will include the use of Russian strategic bombers, another indication of China's preparation for a nuclear conflict. Several years ago Russia and China conducted simulated nuclear exercises that involved a conflict with Taiwan in which the United States used nuclear arms and Russian forces retaliated with their nuclear arms, according to intelligence officials.
The statements contradict China's publicly stated policy that it will not be the first nation to use nuclear weapons in a conflict. Gen. Zhu was quoted as saying he believed the no-first-use policy applied only to nonnuclear states and could be changed.
He said Beijing is under internal pressure to change the no-first-use policy and to announce that it will use the most powerful weapons at its disposal to defend its claim on Taiwan. He stated that "war logic" requires weaker powers to use all means to defeat a stronger rival.
Chinese Embassy spokesman Chu Maoming said that the general's remarks were his personal views and not those of the Chinese government. "We adhere to the policy of 'peaceful reunification, one country, two systems' and are ready to exert utmost efforts with maximum sincerity to realize China's peaceful reunification," he said. "We definitely do not tolerate 'Taiwan independence' and allow anybody in any name to secede Taiwan from China."
China's current nuclear arsenal is believed by U.S. intelligence agencies to include an estimated 45 to 57 missiles that can reach American cities. However, China's military is rapidly building up its forces and is developing at least three new strategic missile systems, including the DF-31 and DF-31A road-mobile missiles, and the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles.
Beijing views Taiwan as a breakaway province but the island has been an independent Republic of China since nationalist forces fled the mainland during a civil war in 1949.
President Bush said in 2001 that the United States would do "whatever it takes" to help Taiwan defend itself, a remark that prompted the Pentagon to renew war plans for a defense of the island from mainland attack.
Pentagon and military officials know very little about China's nuclear forces and its strategy for employing nuclear arms, such as when would they use weapons and where they are stored. A U.S. intelligence official said earlier this year that China is developing a maneuverable-missile warhead for its long-range missiles that is designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses.
Wow eg, how come can you find all this and pissy can only find "China worship" ?
Bottom line is that anyone with nukes, be it China, Iran, Russia, or the good ol' U.S.A. is a threat. Nothing makes China any more of a threat than anyone else.
Dont get me wrong china has every right to defend it self then so be it,, if we threaten china then they have every right to threaten back,,its all fair i guess... so let Iran have whatever it wants as well.. lets just get it over with already, im tired of waiting..........until then i will smoke up....peace
Nukes Bad-Cannabis Good:thumbsup: Peace FengziQuote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi