HID Time factor manipulation

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Originally Posted by scott9116

Can we borrow your mass spectrometer/gas chromatograph?

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You would need to contact the guy's at Temporal Photonic's.. They got all the info you would need regarding how they came up with this (sun light) time factor thc producing info..

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Originally Posted by Dogznova

OK... You can also use t5's to target blue 420nm also. They are sold as fish tank lights. Actinic 420 Bulbs, they also have Actinic 460 Lamps. But if you have the choice for your blue light it's best to stay below 445nm. Fluorescent and t5's are ok as supplemental blue light sources. But if you don't have 440nm blue LED's I would use a small MH mixed with the blue fluor's for the blue light source. Of course this is providing your trying to do a 24 hour flowering and not a standard 12/12.

So my question is what type of flowering are you trying to do?

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I'd like to go 24hrs. But I will start at 12-12. I doubt if I 'll run the HPS for more than a couple hours, then fill in with Halogens. I might end up hanging a curtain where the HPS is. Who knows what I might do. Could end up with lasers.

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Originally Posted by Dogznova

Scott ......Remember PAD lighting 660nm/730nm cycles every half hour AFTER your blue/660nm lights would be on for 6 to 4 hours... Your blue/660 source's (on time) depends on what type of flowering cycle you want.. 12/12, 11/13 or 10/14.. So to ensure an even spread I would think you might want the table rotating every 15 mins...Just my thoughts..:thumbsup:

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Dang your right. I'd thunkit kinda inside out. Thanks Dogz. Of course the gear ratio will be adjustable. I realize that I wont realize the total potential of Rauber's methods. The spinning plants idea seems simpler that movers and timers and it simplifies automated watering, airflow, heat and light distribution. surpluscenter.com motors, timers, gears, transmissions just about anything.

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Originally Posted by jakester

I honesty don't know. I guess that would depend on which outdoor environment VS which indoor.

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Aloha Jakester.

Very good point!

And
Aloha Scott.
Mahalo!
Wish I'd seen this before I bought leds.
And the ballast trick, ya mon!:rastasmoke:
Good stuff, brah, subscribed.

Now, I'm a succesful LED grower, but I'm with Rusty.
KISS, is my main motto!
And cheap is my main goal!:D

The only reasons I use leds, is our predatory power company demands more'n fitty cents per Kwhr !:mad:
I'm a techie type and have worked with LEDs since the early 70s.
So was able to build my own for less than half the going retail.
If my electricity was a lot cheaper, I'd be using HPS.

Much as I enjoy,:weedpoke:,
Doubling my present potency would make my buds un-smokeable, even for this old steelhead.:rastasmoke:
There would be few survivors.;)

Doubling my yeild is un-necessary and would just give me a bigger surplus problem.
I already give away 2/3rds of what I grow.

So, I'll leave all further tweaking to Dogz and 'em.
And lurk, (I still find the science of it fascinating).
I'm sure it will benefit commercial growers.
And Pharmaceutical companies.

@Rusty
Dere you go makin' sense again.:thumbsup:
You earned the sig., my friend.
Best link on the web for us lot!

Aloha, Y'all
Weezard

Scott..I think it will be sweet project..I would like to see it in action...Good luck..
If your interested in the PAD 24 hour flowering...All you need is three timers. Then get a blue source 445nm and lower. Then you need a Red 660nm source and a Far Red 730nm source.. The 730nm source can be black lights. Each different spectrum goes on a different timer.. Example.. Blue source on one timer, Red source on another timer and a 730nm source on another timer. Sounds more complex then it is.. And for optium results the blue source need to be the less of the two wattages.. Example..100w blue source and 300w PAD lighting.. PAD lighting is what pumps the flowers up.. The blue light source is mostly for root and stem production..

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Originally Posted by Weezard;2061157[FONT=Book Antiqua

Much as I enjoy,:weedpoke:,
Doubling my present potency would make my buds un-smokeable, even for this old steelhead.:rastasmoke:
There would be few survivors.;)

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Yes... I currently have two people I'm a caregiver for and they don't like the PAD med's.. Too strong for them.. But two others with serous back pain love it.. So I say it depends on your needs.. Great to see ya weez..

Howzit, Dogz?:)

Has been a while.
Have you got a current grow log with the results of all this tweaking?

@Scott, I'd just like to add that blue also triggers phototropism.

Put your blue light where you want the plant to point.
It's why we put da blue leds in da middle.
Just one more effect to factor in.:D

Aloha,
Weeze

Thank you guys. I think to start, I'll set one half w/HPS and one with out. Leave my current HPS/Flouro system alone just replace the basil. That way I can get a 3way comparison. What will be nice is the flexibility of the new system. I could grow 24hr PAD SL&NL on one side w/HB in the center. While the other side is spinnin up the KC36 and EMH with flouro enhanced HPS 12/12. Possibilities are endless. If I cared about yield I'd could blast'em all w/more HPS time. It'll be cool. Thanks everyone. I need to get away from the damn internet or I'll never get anything done. Lord knows if this works well, that Northern Lights might keep me from ever getting anything accomplished:jointsmile:

Weez. I'm going to start a tread on 420 soon..

Plus weez I figured out why you don't run PAD... You already have a 1.7 time factor with the best grow light in the world... The sun..... Hell and your in the best part of the world for it..Your med's know doubt match up to my PAD med's.. I'm sure of it. LOL :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by scott9116

Can we borrow your mass spectrometer/gas chromatograph?

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I am too poor to afford an extra.

You will just have to send me this so called 3X weed!:thumbsup::D