still lonesome...

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Originally Posted by zihowie

Wow oh wow. A lot of times when ive read your post you seem to come down on some a little hard, but I know and can tell its all for the good. In this case you hit the nail on the head, not just for him, but me as well and I appreciate it immensely man!!

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I always have good intentions and never wish ill on anyone. Plus my posts in the politics forum (probably where you see my harsh posts) are not who I am as a person; it is simply a way to express my passion for the direction I feel the country I live in should take. It in no way exemplifies me as a person and I think a number of people have my passion confused with who I am as a person. I'm glad you were able to discern the difference in this post.

I'm also glad that what I said resonated with you. It took me a while to learn this and it sounds like you've understood it as well. Sometimes it's good to hear someone echo what we already know. :)

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I understood and accepted this concept of expectations for awhile and that other people can be just down-right evil. I have a hard time accepting that and I myself am just a happy-go-lucky, sharing person I tend to be guillable. Not in any major factors but small things like a story of their life, something miniscule in the small run and something that later I find to be completely false.
I side-tracked for a minute, but what Im trying to say is I have had this outlook (the one you described of the concept, as well as the self-pity one) for a minute now and even though I knew what was wrong I havent changed. Ive heard it before, but it wasnt really applicable to me and when I read this where you cant expect others to make you happy or be on the same thought as you, it really hit home. thanks a bunch bro

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You have no idea how happy that makes me to know I was able to help someone else through my post. Even if it was for a brief moment.

Thank you for taking the time out to write this. It put a smile on my face :hippy:

I don't really get this post man...:wtf:...maybe I'm one of those people

Listen man, the worst thing you can do for yourself is feel sorry....stand up and be a man! Devote yourself to something, like mastering an instrument, or working out, or your grow-op. Point is always keep yourself busy, and make a plan to escape your current situation, never feel helpless but always like a big strong man! Now that's damn good advice.

I kinda get what you're talking about, my last two years of high school I just grew away from everyone, b/c as you said the ignorance my friend, plus my town's full of only guidos and emos....Anyway, I didn't go to any parties or the prom or hung out with anyone, but only stayed home and played guitar for hours by myself, constantly getting better and that gave me pride and confidence. It may very well be your environment, and screw society, be proud of YOUR accomplishments! And if you don't have any that create some. It's always better to be full of pride than sorrow. It's like my dad always said...when you feel down, stand up, rip off your shirt, and beat your damn chest!

First, I would like to point out that studies have linked over-use of cannabis with depression and anxiety while small use actually helps depression

moving onto the comment about showing up to a party with weed
thats illegal, and they aren't your friends, they want your weed

I Personally have felt the same way before hit me up on AIM if you ever need to chat about stuff. I've been the same lately about staying at home I have tons of friends but I tend to stay at home because im becoming less social but idk lol just hit me up sometime:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by bobthenuker

b/c as you said the ignorance my friend, plus my town's full of only guidos and emos....

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I can't help but laugh at the irony in this statement.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

I can't help but laugh at the irony in this statement.

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Mmmmm...yes I consider them to be the ignorant bunch...not so much myself...anything wrong with that?:jointsmile: I'm rather tolerant of others outlooks on life, and understanding...but when you grow up somewhere where everyone just cares about money, hair gel, rims on cars, and not reading, or school, or constantly acquiring knowledge...well than I do consider that to be ignorance...what gets to me is when I want to talk about something other than clubbing and cars...like history, or classical music, I get ridiculed for...THAT my friend is what I consider ignorance...Generalizations exist b/c they are generally true, nothing wrong with slapping on labels.

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Originally Posted by bobthenuker

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Mmmmm...yes I consider them to be the ignorant bunch...not so much myself...anything wrong with that?:jointsmile: I'm rather tolerant of others outlooks on life, and understanding...but when you grow up somewhere where everyone just cares about money, hair gel, rims on cars, and not reading, or school, or constantly acquiring knowledge...well than I do consider that to be ignorance...what gets to me is when I want to talk about something other than clubbing and cars...like history, or classical music, I get ridiculed for...THAT my friend is what I consider ignorance...Generalizations exist b/c they are generally true, nothing wrong with slapping on labels.

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Well there's nothing wrong with that except for your reason for calling them ignorant:

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

By definition what you're describing is not ignorance but rather they have a different preference in what they would like to do. Labeling people and categorizing them without getting to truly know them on a deeper level is ignorance. The reason why that would be ignorance is because you have a lack of real information on them. All you know of them is what you see on the surface.

Who's to say they are not gaining knowledge outside of the subjects you find interesting? You don't know that for a fact. I'm sure there is a lot you could learn from these people. Is there anything wrong with preferring to know about Automotives rather than philosophy?

However if you don't want to associate with these people because you enjoy different things then that's your perogative, but to call them ignorant because of that is.. well... ignorant and sort've prejudice :hippy:

Looking down on people is also arrogant; which it sounds like you're doing, but maybe you're not and maybe you just chose poor wording.

You are allowed to do whatever you want for whatever reasons you wish but I believe you are using the wrong wording and you could be otherwise confusing people who are battling with a similar situation and have them make the same decision for the wrong reasons because of it.

But to each his own. I'm going to have a few beers with my emo and guido friends later tonight and just enjoy them for who they are and not what they have to offer;

And another word for generalization is stereotype; which is not always true and often times not even true majority of the time. You can either use a stereotype for humor and have fun with it.. helping you bond with other people or you can use it as a reason to create a divider between people.

I hope you find someone who's company suits you soon. Really it's all what we perceive to be; truth be told you can typically enjoy most people's company if you just let go of your expectations.

And if you get ridiculed for wanting to talk about something.. maybe they are just joking with you. I grew up in a very 'ghetto' area. I was always an intellectual and my friends would 'ridicule' me for talking about things like physics, astronomy, calculus, politics... but I would press on and they would listen and eventually start asking me questions wanting to know more.

Put forth more effort instead of turning around and passing judgement when things don't go your way in regards to interacting with people in real life.

Daihashi, I don't want you to think I am insulting you by anything I am about to say, I have the utmost respect for you and your ideas. I have always enjoyed reading yours posts and have found them to be useful more than once. It seems you can get to know someone better by reading their posts on a cannabis forum then knowing them in person. So when I say I think you think you know too much don't take it as a attack. It is just that you even said it your self that what works for someone doesn't work for everyone. The same is true about your outlook on life. Maybe some people just won't be happy that way. Who knows? Maybe there are some people who think I am right and some who think I am wrong, but isn't that how everything has always been? Also, you don't know if the people he was talking about actually know him on a close basis. Maybe he really knows if they are ignorant. I don't know. Maybe I am just too high and don't know what I am saying. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Daihashi, I don't want you to think I am insulting you by anything I am about to say, I have the utmost respect for you and your ideas. I have always enjoyed reading yours posts and have found them to be useful more than once. It seems you can get to know someone better by reading their posts on a cannabis forum then knowing them in person. So when I say I think you think you know too much don't take it as a attack. It is just that you even said it your self that what works for someone doesn't work for everyone. The same is true about your outlook on life. Maybe some people just won't be happy that way. Who knows? Maybe there are some people who think I am right and some who think I am wrong, but isn't that how everything has always been? Also, you don't know if the people he was talking about actually know him on a close basis. Maybe he really knows if they are ignorant. I don't know. Maybe I am just too high and don't know what I am saying. :jointsmile:

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There's a difference between trying to hold a discussion for his reasoning and how it seems to contradict what he says and trying to force my belief on someone.

Re-read what I said, Here's a specific excerpt You are allowed to do whatever you want for whatever reasons you wish but I believe you are using the wrong wording . Also there was a way to make your point without insinuating that I'm talking down to him; I was merely trying to have an open discussion and expain my perception of ignorance and the actual definition vs what he is saying. :hippy:

And for the record, if I like working on cars and you like cooking.. Just because I don't talk about cooking or make a jab at you for talking about it would mean I'm ignorant as a person. It would mean I may be ignorant on a subject.. the same would hold true vice versa. With that said there could be much more I have to offer if you would just let me by letting go of what you expect of me.

The guy said himself that he grew away from everyone. Isolationism is not healthy either and I wanted to know more of why he felt that way. In his reply he seemed more bitter than truthful but that could be my perception or a poor choice of wording on his part.


Shrug but to each their own.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

Well there's nothing wrong with that except for your reason for calling them ignorant:

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

By definition what you're describing is not ignorance but rather they have a different preference in what they would like to do. Labeling people and categorizing them without getting to truly know them on a deeper level is ignorance. The reason why that would be ignorance is because you have a lack of real information on them. All you know of them is what you see on the surface.

Who's to say they are not gaining knowledge outside of the subjects you find interesting? You don't know that for a fact. I'm sure there is a lot you could learn from these people. Is there anything wrong with preferring to know about Automotives rather than philosophy?

However if you don't want to associate with these people because you enjoy different things then that's your perogative, but to call them ignorant because of that is.. well... ignorant and sort've prejudice :hippy:

Looking down on people is also arrogant; which it sounds like you're doing, but maybe you're not and maybe you just chose poor wording.

You are allowed to do whatever you want for whatever reasons you wish but I believe you are using the wrong wording and you could be otherwise confusing people who are battling with a similar situation and have them make the same decision for the wrong reasons because of it.

But to each his own. I'm going to have a few beers with my emo and guido friends later tonight and just enjoy them for who they are and not what they have to offer;

And another word for generalization is stereotype; which is not always true and often times not even true majority of the time. You can either use a stereotype for humor and have fun with it.. helping you bond with other people or you can use it as a reason to create a divider between people.

I hope you find someone who's company suits you soon. Really it's all what we perceive to be; truth be told you can typically enjoy most people's company if you just let go of your expectations.

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I see ignorance along those same lines...someone who doesn't wish to constantly learn and acquire new knowledge. And you're mistaken, I know most of these people quite well, passed the surface, because I've know a few of them since an early age, my perception of them is quite justified...but enough about me.

Arrogance, self-pride, looking down on others...they can be effective tools to better yourself, to become strong....if in moderation of course. You would agree that in life there must be a balance of things. If someone does provide you with good company, then you must see him as a friend and an equal. Yet if someone mocks you for learning, mocks your music, or your life, even if they do not mean it with all their heart...what is the point of putting forth effort to befriend them...if they do not. Why try to please someone to become your friend?

Rather, if they are like this, it is alright I believe to look down at them. For we are not all equal, is the poor man who betters his situation not better than the poor man who doesn't. Likewise, is the man who constantly seeks knowledge not better than he who is ignorant. Is not coveting silly things such as clubbing and car rims, so dead set on your ways, and mocking those that do put forth effort to read and learn not ignorance?? I don't wish to go round and round, because you have a point of view, as do I, so I'll just say to the original poster:

The best remedy for you is empowerment. Don't go beckoning people to be your friends if they don't value you, you will find people that eventually will. Your feeling of weakness can be fixed, if someone antagonizes you look down upon them as just a fool, and rise above them. As naive as it sounds believe you're better. Have pride, strive to achieve something. Whatever gives you this feeling of weakness and depression cut it out from your life, for it's dragging you down. It is better to feel strong and have self-pride, than feel sorry for yourself. Associate yourself only with people you enjoy, if you don't like them or have a bad feeling about them, don't waste your time. And if you can't find a friend currently than be alone, but find something to dedicate your life to. Learn to enjoy being alone.