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this topic is addicting, i cant help myself :( lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mud Dauber
ive had an out of body expirience on peyote once, and i did see something, it might have been god, but i can tell you this: he doesnt care about individual people, he has an entire universe to look after and cant be bothered with the single human, he does however, care in some small way about the human race in general.
He Cares about you and every other human. He has given us a way to get to know him and draw close to him. You have to want to seek him out and he will help you. The Bible says he even knows how many hairs are on your head. He knows every little atom in your body and everything that has happend in your life. He forgives you for what you have done and as you draw close to him and apply what he has provided as a Guide line. The Bible. He will help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
(Passthatshit have you looked up the scriptures i cited ? You never responded after I explained the Text you quoted)
belive me if Jesus was God it would make sence and I would agree with you. I'm just reading the Text.
Like at Revelation 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God Gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
How would Jesus be told something by him self? If God knew, How does he have to tell him self something ? Because they are 2 differnt things.
Jesus is the 1st of all creation and God's Son, He was sent forth by his Father Yhwh (Jehovah) To make up for Adams sin. I'm trying to make sence of how you get they are one in the same when the scripture do not suport that idea. Please do not just pass this by and read the scriptures I cited for you please.
Krogith, I don't want to bother going back and forth with you about it. I feel that you are unlearned in the scriptures. I asked you if you know the difference between the son of man and Son of God? Is Jesus not both? If you don't know the difference between the two, we can't go any further. You keep preaching that Jesus is the son of man but you are denying that he is the Son of God.
De 6:4 ; Mal 2:10 ; Mr 10:18 ; Ro 3:29,30 ;Quote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
Re 3:14 ; Col 1:15 ; Isa 44:6
Php 2:5,6 ; Da 4:35
Php 2:10,11 ; John 8:42; 12:49
He is the son of Jehovah god.
1Co 11:3 ; John 20:17 ; Re 1:6
SON of God is not god, He's just what the Son of God means hes his Son, Hes not A god. There is only one God, that would be Jesus christ's Father Jehovah.
Your not even reading what im typeing
Jesus is our Lord under Jehovah God's Rule. I have said this 4 times now you reading it? Through Jesus life and exsamples we can get to know his Father. Jehovah God.
Seriously read what I typed
i thinkl what krogith is trying to say is jesus is like the human mouthpiece of god, like a messenger, but not god himself. not that i really agree with any of you on this subject, but thought i'd try and simplify
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit http://boards.cannabis.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Krogith,
"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me" ( Drawing close to Jesus is getting to Know his Father)
"TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." ( Talking to pagan god's, has nothing to do with Jesus being God)
"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." ( If you deny Jesus and him dieing for your sins then how can you except his father in heaven that sent him forth)
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." ( If you do not belive that Jesus is Gods Son and the 1st of all creation and he died for your sins, Than you can not ever Draw close to Jehovah God)
Since you are denying Jesus, then you don't know the Father. You are just like those who put Jesus to the cross. He claimed to be "equal" with God, so they killed him. You are doing the same thing as they did unto him.
In the old testament:
"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." ( Jesus Was Sent By his Father the one who was TALKING to Moses)
In the new testament:
"Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
(( Jesus was 1st of all creation and was and is in Heaven with the angles, That where created by him through the WORD OF HIS FATHER JEHOVAH) of couse he was around befor abraham)
Mark 13:32 "But of that day or that hour no one knows, Not even the angles in heaven, nor the Son, But only the Father"
am I helping you understand? I have never forsaken Jesus and the role he plays, only by means of him can we even talk to his father, let alone recive what is ment for us after armageddon. But putting Jesus as God is Wrong.
Jesus is still our lord. He rules us under Jehovah God's laws
did you read what I said? I do not Deny Jesus being God's Son and Sent here by his Father, To die for all mankinds sins. So we can recive everlasting life that ADAM AND EVE LOST.
I never said Jesus wasn't god's son.
De 6:4 ; Mal 2:10 ; Mr 10:18 ; Ro 3:29,30 ;
Re 3:14 ; Col 1:15 ; Isa 44:6
Php 2:5,6 ; Da 4:35
Php 2:10,11 ; John 8:42; 12:49
He is the son of Jehovah god.
1Co 11:3 ; John 20:17 ; Re 1:6
SON of God is not god, He's just what the Son of God means hes his Son, Hes not A god. There is only one God, that would be Jesus christ's Father Jehovah.
Your not even reading what im typeing
Jesus is our Lord under Jehovah God's Rule. I have said this 4 times now you reading it? Through Jesus life and exsamples we can get to know his Father. Jehovah God.
Seriously read what I typed
Do you understand the difference? It's ok to say NO if you don't. It's obvious to me by the things that you have stated that you don't. I don't want to hear your whole gospel, I'm just asking about son of man and Son of God? If we talk about one thing at a time, it will show which one of us is telling the truth. Don't bother with bible references numbers, just type what you want to say.
FYI, the Son of God has no father or mother. No descent. No beginning of days and no end of life. You're wrong about Jesus being created, cause he's the Son of God and he's eternal. You're trying to say that Jesus is not the Son of God. I'm telling you Jesus Jesus, and you're telling me NO NO. Isn't it obvious to which one of us is the Christian?
"For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."
Your the one not makeing any sence. Jesus was the 1st of all creation
READ
Col 1:15-17
Do you realise your not makeing any sence? Read all the scriptures I quoted.
If you want to belive that Jesus is god thats your problem I'm just trying to show you it has no scripture Backing.
Your not even Trying to attempt to read what im saying. I can't even have a conversation with you because your not reading what I typed. How can we try to find truth in anything if you wont even look at my points? I have Answered Every point you have made, And backed it up with scripture.
Jesus is the Son of God you are right. HE IS NOT GOD he is his Son, the 1st of all creation. and I have given you proof with scripture backing. Please read my points and stop distorting what I have typed. Because I never Said that Jesus Wasn't God's son.