I already asked Medicinal to stick to the subject at hand on this thread. I ask you to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iplaybass182
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I already asked Medicinal to stick to the subject at hand on this thread. I ask you to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iplaybass182
Both parties do. The difference is democrats tend to legislate items that stem private enterprise and statutes that protect us from ourselves. An example of this is the smoking ban. Rather than keeping this decision in the hands of each private establishment, they enforce it upon everyone. This is going in the direction of prohibition, not legalization. One can argue the health issues it resolves, but it displays the mentality of the democrat platform. Easing laws on medical marijuana might happen under democrats, but never full legalization. It's not within the ideology of the party base.Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
The republican party is messed up, but at the ideological core, conservative line of thinking hold a more sensible view when it comes to legalization.
the flaw there is that conservatives resist change. this prohibition has been around long enough to be considered an integral part of the political landscape and conservatives are notorious for their love of the status quo.Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
I am a super POT head...some people call me right leaning......LOL
Last election.....went with (R)s the whole way and voted YES on marijuana.
it was easy......
Libs think that once you vote Republican.... the voting machine locks the NO vote for Marijuana.....(part of the disorder...LOL) ie voter fraud
Delusions, once again your posts stand out as being the most realistic and balanced I've seen, while remaining refreshingly free of hyperbole.
And unlike some who seem to be afflicted with adult ADD, you stick to the subject.
Hey Bong, you're a good one to ask about this, primarily because you're on right now ;)
Do you view your cannabis consumption as part of a bigger picture i.e. a lifestyle or ideology, or is it no more than the equivalent of having a couple of drinks?
Mrs.G,
It has changed for me over the years.....I used to do it when I would skate or snowboard....hanging with my friends......
Then I realized i was self medicating my self......to deal with my child hood.
Now...Marijuana is My anti drug.....
I had a super bad coke problem, like doing it every day for 3 years....
Now I smoke to keep chill and to keep the cravings for the other down.
I have never Liked alcohol....I used to drink all the time.....But i havnt even had a beer in 6 months.....now
Thanks Bong. One more question: Does cannabis consumption represent anything to you politically? I haven't had nearly enough coffee this morning, so bear with me. Um, when you think of the struggle for decriminalization/legalization, do you think of it in terms of being a small part of a bigger overall push for personal autonomy?
well, i wouldn't go that far. it's hard to stick with one subject when it's all so interrelated and i do tend to wander toward my pet peeves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
NO.... I do believe that once My generation (X) (im 36) is in Office. Weed will be legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
It wont matter (D)s and (R)s people will just realize it does more good than bed and it will be legal.......
i hope and prey that it doesnt become a major political view like Global warming has tunred into....
If we want weed legal we cant make it political........
Im off to work...Bye
that is one of the most sensible and non-sensible things i've ever heard you say and it gets to the root of one of our biggest problems, everything has become political. politics has infiltrated every facet of our lives, it regulates our everyday existence to an extent never dreamed of by the framers of our constitution. 200+ years ago i'm sure they believed that the separation of powers that they built into this government would keep the power hungry at bay, they just didn't stop to think that the separate branches might be so corrupt as to work together to destroy the freedoms that they were created to protect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
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Originally Posted by Bong30
Yeah once these people who are stuck with the Reefer madness mentality are out of power will there be change. Its only a matter of time before the baby boomer and the kids of the baby boomer generation fill our political system. We see weed no differently then alcohol and no reason why they can't be "equalized". At the very least I could see America being more like Amsterdam. Not legal but tolerated.
i wouldn't count on it. those in power already know that weed poses no real threat, but they refuse to give up the control that prohibition gives them. what makes you think that the next generation of politicians will be any different. it's not a matter of what's best for the people, it's what's best for the political machine that counts with those folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
Most of the people in power now have been breed to be in power or have held onto power for too long. I can see down the road major change when we as Americans get tired of being stepped on and lied too. Add term limits to all offices of our government. When Senators can't be senators for 50+ years then people will come first. We put more into our military then everything else combined. Once the war on terror comes to an end we will then be back to the war on illiteracy again.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Absolutely correct. It is the Baby Boomer generation that is running the ship of state right now. They have learned nothing except how to hold on to power. The more laws on the Books, the more protection they have to foist their views on us. Why do you think they passed the patriot act, to protect us,~LOL~it was to protect them from us. If they can jump into your life at any time for any reason (suspicion of terrorists activities) and rendition you to Guantanamo to be held without due process, the fear factor isolates them from us even more. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't want to end up in Guantanamo for calling Bush an asshole, could happen under the patriot act, could be construed as an overt act of terrorism, first I call him an asshole and it escalates to a full blown security threat on the presidents life, this is the insanity of the Patriot Act, it can be interpreted in any crazy way the government wants. Just remember you who voted for this asshole, not once, but god only knows, twice, that it is you that are responsible for all this chaos and this deprivation of our freedoms under the guise of FEAR. The key words are Smoke and Mirrors!Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
the capacity of the american people to endure being lied to is unequaled among other so-called free peoples. our hubris has bred a complacency that keeps us blind to the dirty tricks being played on us by our elected officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
This is the age of information. Most people see whats going on in the world who have access to the internet. I wont say we haven't been lied too but our government isn't trying to tell us the sky is orange. When we are lied to its a slap in the face to every citizen. We want the truth, no matter how bad it maybe. I remember GS going off about FEMA camps. Maybe they are real but for a different purpose. Our government knows our patience runs thin and are preplanned for some type of revolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
You still didn't answer why you think the Dems would be the pro-cannabis party.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
I still say that the U.S. should be run by business people instead of lawyers. When your dealing with a 12 trillion dollar economy with credits, debits, inventory levels, etc........how can a personal lawsuit attorney like Edwards be considered as the shit? NOT saying it's JUST Edwards....just an example.
Besides that....wouldn't a business man see the potential for profits with cannabis?
Have a good one!:s4:
That's because I never said that.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
we've got information coming out our asses. i can find sites that will tell me just about anything i want to know and then i can turn around and find a site that will tell me how full of shit the first site was and then another with a completely different set of facts and so on and so on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
are you getting the picture yet? with information comes misinformation and disinformation and a slew of varying shades of grey. it all depends on who you put your trust in and we have no one left to trust. conspiracy theorists aside, the american people are still putting their trust in a system of checks and balances that have been letting them down for years.
lawyers are only there to do the dirty work for those who control the reins. they make great figureheads and shills because they are, for the most part, articulate and perform well before a crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
as for the profitability of cannabis:
profit is not only reckoned in dollars and cents. money is only one aspect of power and power over the lives of millions is the goal of politics.
I'm republican but I don't think that either party has a lock on mj laws. The republicans are too afraid of offending conservative christians(which I am), and Democrats are too afraid of being politically correct (look at what they do with tobacco). It will come down to the people of the states. When enough tell their representatives of their will, then it can make some headway. But it has to be a BIG majority before anything will be done. Many officials on both sides of the aisle would be for new laws now, but it will never happen until they can rest assured that they won't be kicked out of office for their stance. Power is the only truly important thing to politicians, on the right and the left.
Both of you stop this. Politics only has lax rule set, not an absolute no holds bard. This name calling goes beyond politics, go ask for a flame board on here.