The Real Origins Of The 9/11 Truth Movement

Credit card companies could in fact be the next generation of bussinesses to use people as slaves. paid slaves but only paid enough to stay just in debt.

Look what the coal mineing industry did, it housed hundreds of people in small towns. controlling their work hours and rate of pay. Also controlling the cost of liveing in the town, which was very simple to even it out so no money if any was left for the families after paying the company for their way.

I am in no way saying this is the next step mind you but it wouldnt be a far leap.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

I did not vote for Nader, but it is those big bussinesses that control allot of the policies that are in effect. this aspect of it is about money istead of oil.

its about addicting your children to legal GOV supported Pharms.

its about giveing a credit card to a 20 year old kid with a 10k limit and then takeing away his or her right to claim bankrupty to get out from under the money blanket that covers them.

granted they should have been taught how to manage money, and you can say that they should go to school and whatnot. but thats not going to stop the credit card companies from soliciting the younger less money adept peoples. in fact giveing them the tools to indebt whole generations of people with no real way out.

see once you get into credit card debt they start banging you for 20% interest after time. thereby makeing your interest payment more than the principal amount. then take away your right to claim bankruptcy and now you will never get out of debt. unless of course you go into the military get 3 hots and a cot and spend no money then maybe you can get out.

your gonna say that its their fault for getting into that situation, and yes it is. but thats not stopping it from happening is it? and that still doesnt take away from the fact that the credit card companies get you into debt on purpose. the things im stateing are not nearly the end of the exapmles. its just scratching the surface.

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credit card debt??that its their own fault is the point.

if people are to stupid to know that credit card companies are hustlers than they deserve to get fucked.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh those poor people.what a sob story.those big mean credit card companies tricked them :cool:

I say if you think your responsible enough for a credit card then you should be responsible enough at spending money. ANd what about the teen's that are responsible enough at spending. They shouldn't have credit cause some kid doesn't live off mommy anymore? Live and learn. It's a dog eat dog world.

hey xtc,im in wilmette!where are you?

lol.. Lockport/Joliet area...

nice,we should have a pint sometime and i can try to clear your mind of all that liberal bullshit you have been force fed through the years.lol.j/k

God you 2 have no clue about the real world do you. you think everyone in this country is basically handed a handbook to success. its no doubt im not talking about YOUR kids, im talking about poor kids, the kids liveing in the trailor park you drive by on your way to work.

YA lets fuckem!

why dont you and I start a credit card company and specifically target those areas.. damn on paper we will have millions and billions comeing to us...

if its not happeing right now then great its a wide open market for you and I.

what about the GOV supported Pharms?

nah yer right its prob just more of my liberal bullshit

stop thinking in terms of left and right, anyone who still maintains they are seperate is an idiot. and other than you calling my liberal which im not I cant stand o ton of things Dems stand for and i cant stand a ton of things Reps stand for.

I am my own party and happy to stay that way some of this some of that, its a well rounded view of the world not just the US.

at 26 with a house 2 cars and kids you have been very busy... have you even been to another country? do you even know how others live outside of your seemily well protected life? I will guess no or very short stints in close places...

you come here and tell others im force feeding liberism. atleast im force feeding some type of info..

you seem to be stuck on one liners... and force feeding them back as well.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

God you 2 have no clue about the real world do you. you think everyone in this country is basically handed a handbook to success. its no doubt im not talking about YOUR kids, im talking about poor kids, the kids liveing in the trailor park you drive by on your way to work.

YA lets fuckem!

why dont you and I start a credit card company and specifically target those areas.. damn on paper we will have millions and billions comeing to us...

if its not happeing right now then great its a wide open market for you and I.

what about the GOV supported Pharms?

nah yer right its prob just more of my liberal bullshit

stop thinking in terms of left and right, anyone who still maintains they are seperate is an idiot. and other than you calling my liberal which im not I cant stand o ton of things Dems stand for and i cant stand a ton of things Reps stand for.

I am my own party and happy to stay that way some of this some of that, its a well rounded view of the world not just the US.

at 26 with a house 2 cars and kids you have been very busy... have you even been to another country? do you even know how others live outside of your seemily well protected life? I will guess no or very short stints in close places...

you come here and tell others im force feeding liberism. atleast im force feeding some type of info..

you seem to be stuck on one liners... and force feeding them back as well.

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i lived in Holland with my fathers family for two years.i traveled all over europe by train and stayed in hostiles.i have been to israel,saudi arabia,morracco,and met up with a guy i went to military school with who lived in beirut.before i went to europe i was one of those anti-goverment,everyone is out to get me nonsense.once i had met the real people,heard what they said,saw how they lived, my life and ideas were changed forever.believe me i have seen some shit in my life.i made my own way kiddo.i worked REAL hard and it paid off bigtime.

i still talk to many of the people i met along the way that live in those countries.let me tell YOU those people love america and the oppurtunities we have.people are too spoiled in this GREAT country and complain about everything under the moon.thats where my GET OVER IT attitude comes from.95%of people have NEVER4 STEPPED a foot in a middle eastern country and seen people whipped for holding hands.i have my friend. :cool:

well im glad you have seen atleast some of the world, allot of it it seems. but sayinghow good it is here and then saying we are spoiled is retarded.

your get over it attitude cant come from saying we are spoiled. so life is good here and we wont get beat for holding hands. they dont have to inflict control on you in those manners. here they use the media among other things to do that very thing.

if we didnt have the media who is to say that local GOV wouldnt flog us for holding hands. its happen in the past, why not the future. I have stepped foot in a middle eastern country ive also stepped a foot in allot of other places. and I am far from a "kiddo"

I think with this whole conversation my point is being lost.

I am not talking about the current state of the union. I'm talking about the future state of the union.

why put that part into the patriot act that makes it an act of terroism to try to sway the GOV policies? See many Taliban marching up Martin Luther King Blvrd do you?

it was put into place to control YOU and ME and that guy over there. So in the event things get out of hand like they did in the 60's they can just lock your asses up and call you terrorists... and the so called right wing will love it and jump on that band wagon lickity split.

it really is mind numbing trying to get my point across to you. There is no left and no right. they are the same parties with the same agendas. Hate me all you want man your only fueling your blindness.

Personally I think you are listening to much to Rage Against the Machine. Here's what I think. The goverment wont break your balls as long as your not making bomb's in your basement or plotting attacks against America. I am not a big fan of Bush but he isn't that going to go after the Average Joe. In my opinion your just as bad as Far Right Wing Republicans.

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Originally Posted by XTC

Personally I think you are listening to much to Rage Against the Machine. Here's what I think. The goverment wont break your balls as long as your not making bomb's in your basement or plotting attacks against America. I am not a big fan of Bush but he isn't that going to go after the Average Joe. In my opinion your just as bad as Far Right Wing Republicans.

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again with this left and right nonsense, whether you agree with what im saying or not, the FACT remains that both parties are exactly the same when it comes to foreighn and domestic policies.

there is no prevailing differences with the way either of them deal with the world as far as Policies go.

as far as the gov not breaking my balls.. well your right. Don't give them a reason to come for you and they wont, but thats for today.

let them continue on their path and they will be comeing to our doors for no reasons.

it appears to alot of people as if the dems have more of a "lets not worry about it" attitude.that isnt what what we need at this time.

It would appear that way because its true. the Dem party is the same as the Rep party.

Reps have superior control over our GOV right now and even if the Dems managed to get a pres in it wouldnt matter much because the Reps control everything else.

so ya I can see why they would drawn that attitude, but in the same sentence is it a disregard for whats happening or is that being helped along by the Rep?

I think the image of Dems not being able to proceed politically is a direct result of Rep smear campaighn, but not solely the reason. the fact that the Rep party controls the GOV more now than ever is also helping. And lets face it the people on the Rep side of the invisible conflict have lots and lots of money. I dont mean allot i mean ALLOT.

and i think we can all agree that useing the media you can effectively smear mud on anyones name, or on any organization for that matter when you have lots and lots of money. and traditionally Rep are white collar and Dems are blue collar. That right there should give you a sense of the money factor seperating the 2 parties.

Rep have wealth, Dems dont, and for this simple reason the Rep party will always appear to be the stronger of the 2.

the 2 parties will never see eye to eye on the issues they argue over and thats done on purpose to keep us at eachothers throats. I feel 100% confident that if me and you actually sat down to discuss this shit we would be in agreement on allot of things and closer in the rest than you would probably care to admit.

Im gonna kick myself in the ass for all this later im sure. I normally try to stay away from these types of conversation because people dont want to hear it.

Yeah, we shouldn't be giving them so much power, that nuts.
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." <= VERY true words.

Republicans used to be the party of less government. (or so im told) Now it seems the only time they want less government is when cash flow is being restricted.

Thats not to say I'd ever vote Democrat either. Both parties are only playing to their lobbyists and few on either side actually give a damn about the public.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

It would appear that way because its true. the Dem party is the same as the Rep party.

Reps have superior control over our GOV right now and even if the Dems managed to get a pres in it wouldnt matter much because the Reps control everything else.

so ya I can see why they would drawn that attitude, but in the same sentence is it a disregard for whats happening or is that being helped along by the Rep?

I think the image of Dems not being able to proceed politically is a direct result of Rep smear campaighn, but not solely the reason. the fact that the Rep party controls the GOV more now than ever is also helping. And lets face it the people on the Rep side of the invisible conflict have lots and lots of money. I dont mean allot i mean ALLOT.

and i think we can all agree that useing the media you can effectively smear mud on anyones name, or on any organization for that matter when you have lots and lots of money. and traditionally Rep are white collar and Dems are blue collar. That right there should give you a sense of the money factor seperating the 2 parties.

Rep have wealth, Dems dont, and for this simple reason the Rep party will always appear to be the stronger of the 2.

the 2 parties will never see eye to eye on the issues they argue over and thats done on purpose to keep us at eachothers throats. I feel 100% confident that if me and you actually sat down to discuss this shit we would be in agreement on allot of things and closer in the rest than you would probably care to admit.

Im gonna kick myself in the ass for all this later im sure. I normally try to stay away from these types of conversation because people dont want to hear it.

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do you know who donates all the money to the democratic party??rich people!!!!!!!!!!!!!malibu ,new york,HOLLYWOOD.

THATS THEIR BASE.RICH PEOPLE.that is some backwards thinking.everyone in politics knows that the democrats are the party of the rich.look at their donor lists wich are public records.all the money is raised at malibu beach parties.in the 2000 recount gore raised 85% of his money at one MALIBU BEACH PARTY.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

do you know who donates all the money to the democratic party??rich people!!!!!!!!!!!!!malibu ,new york,HOLLYWOOD.

THATS THEIR BASE.RICH PEOPLE.that is some backwards thinking.everyone in politics knows that the democrats are the party of the rich.look at their donor lists wich are public records.all the money is raised at malibu beach parties.in the 2000 recount gore raised 85% of his money at one MALIBU BEACH PARTY.

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your going to try and tell me that there is more money in Malibu than on wallstreet? of course the money comes from rich people ... who the fuck else can afford to give it away. Im saying the republicans have more of it. AND they control the GOV.

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do you know who donates all the money to the democratic party??rich people!!!!!!!!!!!!!malibu ,new york,HOLLYWOOD.

THATS THEIR BASE.RICH PEOPLE.that is some backwards thinking.everyone in politics knows that the democrats are the party of the rich.look at their donor lists wich are public records.all the money is raised at malibu beach parties.in the 2000 recount gore raised 85% of his money at one MALIBU BEACH PARTY.

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Yeah? Well where did Bush get his funding? I'll give you 1 guess.

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Originally Posted by Edgar

Yeah? Well where did Bush get his funding? I'll give you 1 guess.

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WHOA ease up Edger lol you have to give Amsterdam the truth in small doses bro lol

30 million donations of under 5000$$$$.we are talking about the recount money.bush raised 13.5 million dollars in donations 5000$$ or less.check it out.study it.gore raised 5.6 million with more than half raised at two parties,one was a malibu beach party,the other was a new york party at the ritz.

like i said,the party of the rich.why do you think we pick up african american voters every time?magic?

they are beginning to see the truth and they dont like it.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

30 million donations of under 5000$$$$.we are talking about the recount money.bush raised 13.5 million dollars in donations 5000$$ or less.check it out.study it.gore raised 5.6 million with more than half raised at two parties,one was a malibu beach party,the other was a new york party at the ritz.

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you dont get it do you? who is in control of the GOV? Republicans

who waged a war based on things that havent heppen yet? Republicans

who makes the tanks, airplanes, guns, ammo, body armor, munitions, for such a war? Republicans

who makes the money from the spoils or war? Republicans

So.... we just had a really profittable war and on top of that secured millions of barrels of oil.

So who is holding the money smart guy?

do yousay the things you hear from moveon.org?its the argument 17 year olds with dreadlocks make.good stuff.

i will promise you in 20 years George W. Bush will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents in history.mark my word.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

do yousay the things you hear from moveon.org?its the argument 17 year olds with dreadlocks make.good stuff.

i will promise you in 20 years George W. Bush will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents in history.mark my word.

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you never answer any question that is asked of you do you?

you simply make statements that can be used in your favor.

Ive never been to moveon.org

and in 20 years we will have either gotten rid of him or he will still be there, I myself think its conceiveable that they will find a way to keep W in office. He fits the role so damn well.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

you never answer any question that is asked of you do you?

you simply make statements that can be used in your favor.

Ive never been to moveon.org

and in 20 years we will have either gotten rid of him or he will still be there, I myself think its conceiveable that they will find a way to keep W in office. He fits the role so damn well.

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well that idea is just plain stupid.w in office for 20 years?simple like a child.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

well that idea is just plain stupid.w in office for 20 years?simple like a child.

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they have already violated the constitution man. why is this concept so far fetch for you to see?

and not for nothin but children are the most honest people on the planet.

thanks

garbage.

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30 million donations of under 5000$$$$.we are talking about the recount money.bush raised 13.5 million dollars in donations 5000$$ or less.check it out.study it.gore raised 5.6 million with more than half raised at two parties,one was a malibu beach party,the other was a new york party at the ritz.

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uhh 13.5 million... What about the rest of the $90 million or so? Here, let me give u a few examples of the poor dirt farmin types that he got much of his campaign money from: Charles J. Wyly, Jr., $210,273; Dennis R. Berman, $175,000; Louis A. Beecherl, Jr., $154,000; Tom Loeffler, $141,000; and, Richard Heath, $124,449.

He got about $21.2 million from 212 individuals... Rich individuals...

Very insightful Amsterdam. Havent heard from u yet and wasnt sure if u were still interested.

you still dont answer any questions there Amsterdam. that is a fact home slice.

you call my views garbage while not offering any of your own. you are no longer worth my attention or the attention of the people on this board.

when you can have an adult conversation, that requires a back and forth rhetotic, we can speak again.

Hi Amsterdam
Although we as Americans have not necessarily lost any rights, the security and freedom of movement enjoyed by most before 9-11 has certainly been altered.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

who waged a war based on things that havent heppen yet? Republicans

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This is the same old argument I'd rather not bring up, but here goes... How would you liek to wake up to a mushroom cloud where New York used to be? Because that's a possibility! I know your thinking, "but there were no WMD's!". Well, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT!!! Nuclear weapons are something you take chances with. Neither are the type of people that would actually use such a weapon.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

who makes the tanks, airplanes, guns, ammo, body armor, munitions, for such a war? Republicans

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Wow what an ignorant comment. The people that actually MAKE the weapons are manufacturing workers, with no set party lines. Its not like the factories only hire republicans. If you think it is bad to have a military, look up the fates of countries in the past which have had weak militaries. Most not good.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

who makes the money from the spoils or war? Republicans

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Actually, the US is losing massive amounts of money. There are not many spoils of war from an impoverished, 3rd world country. I know you are saying,"but we're stealing thier oil!". Well then, why are our gas prices so high if we have heisted the innocent Iraquis?

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

So.... we just had a really profittable war and on top of that secured millions of barrels of oil.

So who is holding the money smart guy?

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Who is holding the money? The Iraqui people, who's country has had millions invested in it because the US got rid of thier tyrannical dictator who killed millions (4th biggest killer in history in case you didn't know)

Any other comepletly un-based "facts" for me to de-base?

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

do yousay the things you hear from moveon.org?its the argument 17 year olds with dreadlocks make.good stuff.

i will promise you in 20 years George W. Bush will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents in history.mark my word.

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LMFAOROFLLOL, THAT HAS TO BE THE FUNNIEST SHIT IVE EVER HEARD!

He rpobably won't because the ones doing the ranking will be in the media... and we all know how our media friends love Bush.... he will go down in history as the Ballsiest president, and the funniest.

The funniest looking, or stupid funny? I think a lil bit of both, cause he looks like a hermit, and he says the dumbest shit that everyone laughs at! Btw, hydrizzle, you been posting up a grip, lol, jk!

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Originally Posted by Hydrizzle

This is the same old argument I'd rather not bring up, but here goes... How would you liek to wake up to a mushroom cloud where New York used to be? Because that's a possibility! I know your thinking, "but there were no WMD's!". Well, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT!!! Nuclear weapons are something you take chances with. Neither are the type of people that would actually use such a weapon.

lol this is funny, you aregument is that we shouldnt take chances with people who would actually use such a weapon ..... the United States is the only country to ever use such a weapon. So who should the world be afraid of?

Wow what an ignorant comment. The people that actually MAKE the weapons are manufacturing workers, with no set party lines. Its not like the factories only hire republicans. If you think it is bad to have a military, look up the fates of countries in the past which have had weak militaries. Most not good.

Whats ignorant is to think that its the workers actually see the wealth from the sales of such weapons. more likely those factory workers you speak of hold another and possibly 2 other jobs to make ends meet. Also no I dont think its wise to have a weak military, i think its unwise to leave leave its direction in the current caretakers hands.



Actually, the US is losing massive amounts of money. There are not many spoils of war from an impoverished, 3rd world country. I know you are saying,"but we're stealing thier oil!". Well then, why are our gas prices so high if we have heisted the innocent Iraquis?

No, I am not saying we are stealing their Oil, matter of fact we are getting paid in oil to rebuil;d their country. with contracts held by world wide construction companies such as Haliburton. So while the US loses millions paying for the war those american companies make the money off the rebuilding. So you say thats fine its money comeing back to the US. And thats just BS because not much of that money will ever trickle down thru the economy. This only gives you another example of how the republicans are receiving even more money.

Who is holding the money? The Iraqui people, who's country has had millions invested in it because the US got rid of thier tyrannical dictator who killed millions (4th biggest killer in history in case you didn't know)

this was more of a sarcastic remark, and it refered to which political party held more money, and since it appears you took my comment to heart I'll go ahead and guess that you lost sight of what my posting has been about.

the secured millions of barrels of oil coment come form a previuos post that I stated reasons for the US to secure oil supplies for the future.


Any other comepletly un-based "facts" for me to de-base?

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lol

lol this is funny, your aregument is that we shouldnt take chances with people who would actually use such a weapon ..... the United States is the only country to ever use such a weapon. So who should the world be afraid of?



Whats ignorant is to think that its the workers actually see the wealth from the sales of such weapons. more likely those factory workers you speak of hold another and possibly 2 other jobs to make ends meet. Also no I dont think its wise to have a weak military, i think its unwise to leave leave its direction in the current caretakers hands.


No, I am not saying we are stealing their Oil, matter of fact we are getting paid in oil to rebuil;d their country. with contracts held by world wide construction companies such as Haliburton. So while the US loses millions paying for the war those american companies make the money off the rebuilding. So you say thats fine its money comeing back to the US. And thats just BS because not much of that money will ever trickle down thru the economy. This only gives you another example of how the republicans are receiving even more money.

this was more of a sarcastic remark, and it refered to which political party held more money, and since it appears you took my comment to heart I'll go ahead and guess that you lost sight of what my posting has been about.

the secured millions of barrels of oil coment come form a previuos post that I stated reasons for the US to secure oil supplies for the future



lol

Yes, we are the only on eto ever use a nuke, but I'd say we had a damn good reason. In case you don't remember 25,851 casualties just in Iwo Jima. Think of the number of dead on both sides if we would have invaded mainland Japan. Thier warrior mentality of no surrender, die with honor would have caused massive casualties. So the nukes, without a doubt, saved lives. Did you know that more civilians died in Japan as a result of firebombs than the nukes? Little known fact. So who should the world be afraid of? Let me tell you, a government with a dictator who hold ALL THE POWER! IF Kim-Jong says launch a nuke, then launch a nuke they shall. Not so simple for the US.

.... I don't quite get the second half of your post... perhaps u meant to quote me on something?

This is hillarious! "The U.S. was the first to use nukes so can't trust them!" Lets actually look at WW2. The Japaneese were a few short weeks away from having nukes themselves with the targets being San Fran or the Panama Canal.....but I'm sure they wouldn't have done that...RIGHT! And as for the invasion to aquire land or wealth; look back into your own pasts sweethearts and thats where you'll find that crap. Did the Brits liberate the Falklands or just maintain their hold. The French and Spanish have their own issues from past atrosities for nothing more than gold. I'm sure South American Aztecs love the Spanish folk.
If the U.S. waged war in order to get "territory and wealth", why the hell isn't Europe considered to be a state? You know...like the Russians did during WW2. :D

Psycho, you can't sway these crazy conspiracy-theorists, no matter how hard you try. They have, after all, been brainwashed by the liberal hippie aliens, who are at war with the neo-con Klingons, who have a mind control-device in all politicians. This is, of course at the same time that Christians are staging a massive uprising in order to outlaw sex and fun for everyone.

hahahah,lol!!hitler was george bushs mentor and grandfather-in-law!!!


a police state!!!ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!new world order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!