amount medically necessary is to be determined by the caregiver, not the doctor, according to the the Amendment... This case *could* help clear all of this up....
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amount medically necessary is to be determined by the caregiver, not the doctor, according to the the Amendment... This case *could* help clear all of this up....
State law is totally irrelevant to the outcome of this case. The genius has been charged under federal law, where you're in for a penny, in for a pound. Won't clear anything up at all.
love your signiture......do you carry concealed...have you questioned the legality of having a weapon when carrying your medicine?...I am in the same boat and have not gotten a straight answer form the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
I don't carry if I'm holding more than what would be petty offense amounts without a mmj license (i.e., more than an ounce), mostly because of my paranoia about the Feds. Good luck getting an answer from the State. I don't think they know the answer to any questions raised by Amendment 20, nor will anyone else until the State gets done "regulating," and then some cases wend their way through the Courts, and anyone who says they know any of the answers is full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by denverbear
As to the Feds, the case law is pretty clear that the 9th and 10th amendments are totally meaningless, and they can do whatever the hell they want, irrespective of State law to the contrary. More's the pity.
id probably get arrested:( bungholesQuote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
Arguably, there was already a test case for this that we hit on in our blog: Marijuana news, Medicinal marijuana and mmj cards | blog.thereleafcenter.com
Thomas Sexton was growing in Pueblo with extra plant counts on recs. It was argued that he negotiated his plant counts up, that they weren't medically necessary, and he was found guilty.
His biggest mistake was giving away his utility amounts and saying he had a jungle of electrical wires running through there. Oh, and not having enough patients. Whoops!
those bone heads bring media attention to the topic we share in common. like the black woman who refused to sit at the back of the bus. some of our people sit there point fingers laugh and have a good time at the expense of others for what should be a god given right. what we need is televised scientific studies and medical studies so that everyone sees who the real dopers are. wow mmj cures all that why didnt we hear about that on the news????:wtf: and lets be clear people you weren't always legal stop acting all high and mighty. if we divide legal from not legal were going to kill the potential from REAL legalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtowN
MEDED SO YOU CAN MEDEDICATE TO MEDEDITATE
Not all publicity is good publicity. This idiot going on television saying he would make $400,000/yr growing in his basement is definitely bad publicity (especially for him.) It doesn't take a genius to see that.
And Sexton is only a test case if it is appealed based on the issue one wishes to test. Procedurally, since it was a jury verdict, it's entirely possible the jury just didn't believe the amount he was in possession of was medically necessary. As a finding of fact that cannot be appealed. Also, he was acquitted of cultivation, and convicted of possession, so the plant count issue won't be tested at the appellate level in this case.
still doesn matter federal law doesnt recognize mmj only arrests to boost profits for all involved. they are just one group of our rogue employees that no longer feel that they should work under the rule of the people. the ama now recognizes mj as a medicine and still no change in laws. traitorsQuote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
meded so you can mededicate to mededitate
im havin fish tonight
true....however its cases like these that will challeng mj on a federal level and hopefully get us a favorable precedence and that media attention will be enormous. suddenly all the lies will surface via a media frenzy and there will be a bunch of knuckle draggers scratching their heads thinking "they lied to me?" wont that be poetic:DQuote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
meded so you can mededicate to mededitate
The state of the law on a Federal level won't change via precedent, unless the Federal judiciary suddenly rediscovers the 9th and 10th amendments, which isn't likely at this late date. Legislative action is the ONLY way to enact the truth. Sad but true. The Feds will always be way behind State and local Govts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS
Its gonna be a sham trial since they cannot tell the jury the truth....
If i were this guy, I'd wait for the thick of the trial, and I'd be yelling at the jury "it was medical, it was medical!!!!"
What do you mean? Why can't they tell the jury its medical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kartel
What do you mean? Why can't they tell the jury it was medical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kartel
federal law at the present time does not reconize medical mj...Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Maybe this will encourage more patient caregiver relationships?
I don't like seeing large commercial operators in the MMJ industry. I personally would rather see dispensaries go away and all of this handled between patients and caregivers.
That won't happen though - the state knows the only way to get their cut is through taxes that come in via legitimate dispensaries.
As for the guy in the news story - serves him right. Dumbass should have kept his mouth shut. I'll bet he feels like a schmuck right about now. Busted and sent to federal prison over a Village Inn breakfast!! Dumbass!
If he was harvesting every 4 months and had been doing it for 1.5yrs - thats at least 3 harvests. And he had 224 plants. Let's say he only gets 4oz per plant. Thats 56lbs every 4 months.
$3000 per pound
56 ponds
Carry the 1
Cross the Tee's and dot the I's
$168,000 every 4 months
Minus $8000 for electricity
Thats about $160,000 every 4 months or so.
I certainly wouldn't call 4 ozs/plant indoors "only." Thats a pretty generous estimate.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
I do not grow. But I have plenty of friends who do. I've lugged plenty of soil down stairs, transplanted lots of girls into larger pots and I've clipped a lot of leaves. I've even sprayed some soap on a few mites, unfortunately (boy thats a ton of work BTW). I've never seen an indoor soil grown plant with LESS than 3oz of finished dry buds. Seriously. Clipped, dried and harvested - no less than 3oz per plant. We cut some plants down last month that yielded an average 7.5 - 8oz per plant. It was all grown in big beds instead of round pots and it was all grown using extreme LST technique. None of the plants were more than 4 feet tall after 4 months of vegging and 10 weeks of flowering.
I was using "4oz per plant" as a guesstimate of what I thought most would consider average yield.
shoooot, you cant even present all the scientific and medical studies showing the benefits of mj as evidence that they are all liars:wtf:. its not admissable in the court of law. all the proof necessary to change the law and they wont allow us to use it to defend ourselves. quite the operation they got going. someone told me there is no writing in the constitution that allows them to collect taxes but if you try to use it as evidence in your tax case they would arrest you.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
meded so you can mededicate to mededitate
I guess I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm doing. My last grow averaged 33 grams per plant.Quote:
Originally Posted by PufferLungs
Very nice. What strain are these, or is that a trade secret? Our indica yield is about the same as yours...guess we don't know what we are doing either. The only strains where we got 3 or more ounces were from the sativas.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
I meant no offense. I hope you didn't take my comments as an insult to you. I was just rambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
Keep in mind many of the grows I've seen are either done using the LST method to extreme. Topped and topped again and pinned down and stretched out like a cargo net in large soil beds 4 feet long x 3 feet wide.
Or the plants are simply topped once (after the 5th or 6th set of leaves) and then allowed to grow to at least 5 feet tall before flowering. They are usually around 7 feet tall when harvested.
All those plants are vegged for 4 months and flowered for 2 months++
I know some people who veg for about 2 months and then flip to flowering. Plants end up about 4 feet tall when harvested. Those are yielding 2oz per plant.
No offense taken. I was serious, I don't really know what I'm doing (although I'm not really an idiot-I hope). It was my first grow, so I definitely have much to learn. If you click on my name you can find my log for this grow under the thread "First Grow" if you are curious about methodology. The strain is White Rhino from clones and they vegged for 7-8 weeks, resulting in 24-30 inch plants after 57 days of flower.
many things can factor in to yeild even with the same plant. how big was it grown in veg was it trained i.e topped,fim.lst so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
you vegg'd 8 weeks and only yeilded 33 g's per? you must be using cfl's or some low lighting/nutes? i know rhino and most of the other white strains.last time i ran it i got 9 oz per plant.dry with a 6 week veg flipped when they hit 18 inches tall.fimmed ended up with lil over 3ft bush with around 20 tops per plant.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
I'm using 400w MHs in veg and a combo of 600w hps and 400w MH in flower. I'm using some old school organic nutes called Age Old supplemented in flowering with Budswel, a little calmag plus and molasses. No topping or training whatsoever so really just one main cola and a bunch of pretty small buds. Quality was apparently good though, as now people are lining up for the next batch.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
nice yea i was just trying to give ya some tips to help you maximize all your work.you can get alot more out of your setup with some tweaking on the same time frame you are on.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
Teach me Obi-wan, I'm always looking to learn. Quantity will always be secondary to quality for me, but any way to up quantity without sacrificing quality is always welcome. Help me out man.
palerider is steering you in the right direction (way to go, buddy!).....
something i discovered that nearly doubled my yield was increasing my air exchange. when i have the coin, i'm going to break into the world of co2 dispersion. i hear that's where it's at........
otherwise, genes is genes......
I read in the news that this guy is going to change his plea to guilty and work out a deal with the prosecutor.
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Originally Posted by PufferLungs
Well if he has 224 plants, you can be assured that at least 80 of em were clones or vegging. Then another 15-20 plants in mother. Im guessing he was flowering maybe 90-130 out of that 224. So he was probably making some good money, but no where near the amount they are trying to make it out to be.....
Not to mention your forgetting money spent on nutrients, supplements, soil or hydro medium, cloning gel, grow plugs or rockwool, lights, fans, meters, trimming scissors, bags, dehumidifiers, humidifers, blowers, and all the other small things (chains, zipties, stakes, etc etc...).
So in the BIG picture sure it looks like hes a millionare. But first hand knowledge and experience can easily dismiss those claims....
He is a lying ass sob. You guys up there be thankful that you don't have the damn border patrol to dodge too. The pillars are backstage in hollywood and the honeymoon is over!phUCK NOBAMAQuote:
Originally Posted by neversummer
agreed but you can't tell that to the know it all's of the boards...Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
yes genes are genes,but alot of what a plant does is dependant on the growing enviroment.out in nature it will only be so good without humans touch.you take that same strain"genes" into a controlled enviroment and give it the optimum conditions and you will maximize the plants growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfunk211
as one of the biggest misconceptions as stated above and quote"Quantity will always be secondary to quality for me" as if you only can have 1 or the other. you can very much have both without compromise.
but then again what do i know you're the brains of this board so you know im just making all of this up.i mean how could i really know anything being that writing is'nt my forte....:D:jointsmile:
btw just to let people know most of what people get out there is a plant anywhere from mexi dirt 25% maybe of the plants potential and on up from there dependant on how it's grown. i know this for a fact as i had a friend that was getting mexi b4 and was trying to tell me the same bs about genes are genes. which they are but most are not grown right.i took some seed off of those and grew that same junk out and it was top primo meds so go fig.
ps bottom line is people that say it's a weed how hard can it be?well yea it is and if you took a handful of seed and just chunked them out in a feild you will see just how hard it really is for even just a few to sprout up. the ones that do take are not growing to it's full potential and most of those don't make it.as such are trees i have said this b4 too just think of how many seeds are dropped from say a pine tree.the germ rate is so low i'd say maybe 10% if that.so it's not as easy as people think in the wild.
people like you in other states have such laxed laws... dont come to WA
Are you being sarcastic? Ive had three beat cops walk past me and friends smoking bubble hash out of a 3 foot custom roor and didn't even get so much as a second glance...Quote:
Originally Posted by joshdub
..and hempfest that takes place every year. I attended in 09 and it was a record attendance of some 400,000 people and weed being smoked and sold everywhere in sight.
I love washington, it is really a beautiful state and I like to make it up there at least for a week or two to camp and attend hempfest. I think its something everyone should do at least once.
-B :jointsmile: