Finn'SCRog - Trainwreck & Mystery Sativa

So here's day 29 of veg for TW and MS1 (in the red buckets). The rest of the MS are about 22 days old now (black containers).

I'm happy to say that they are all looking great. They've been getting 2/3 to full strength Canna Terra Vega nutrients. They all have new containers as well. Today I repotted (again) the TW and MS1 (they were in other containers for less then a week and got rootbound again :wtf:)

2 of the bigger MS's were repotted Wednesday, and the smaller 2 this morning.

Also started to LST this week. They've all been trained on different days, but today I re-trained all of them.

First 2 pics are before training, last one is after training. Enjoy :jointsmile:

I'm starting to flower all 5 MS tonight. I light-proofed my old cab and will be moving them manually until the TW is ready for flowering.

The TW will be vegged for another 2-3 weeks.

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First 2 pics are the 5 MS (4 in black containers are about 24 days from breaking ground, the one in the red is 30 days)

Last 2 pics are the TW after a little more training at 30 days from breaking ground.

hey finn.plants look great........TW is some powerful stuff:D

curious as to why you are flowering so young: is it because you know their max height attainable or are u just sexing early??

sorry about the ?'s man but this short stuff is quite a science:thumbsup:

peace....buffalo:stoned:

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Soldier

hey finn.plants look great........TW is some powerful stuff:D

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Thanks! Indeed it is :stoned:

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curious as to why you are flowering so young: is it because you know their max height attainable or are u just sexing early??

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I will be having a guest coming to my home in late May, and I have to take all this down by then :(

I'm figuring that I need about 10-12 weeks for these to flower. The TW takes 8-9 weeks, so that'll give me at least a week to chop, dry, and put in curing jars before my guest arrives.

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sorry about the ?'s man but this short stuff is quite a science:thumbsup:

peace....buffalo:stoned:

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No worries, ask away :)

With the TW vegging for 2-3 more weeks I can expect 60+ grams dried harvest, which is more than enough to get me through the summer, then (hopefully) moving back to Amsterdam :dance:

The original plan was to have 2 TW's, but one didn't make it out of the soil (my fault), and these sativas are kind of just for kicks. They should all be female as they're from a hermaphrodite, but the person who gifted the seeds to me said that only 1 in 3 were 'good plants'. Anyways, I'll be happy if I get just one keeper.

Talking about the 'short stuff', I'd like to one day try OldMac's method of using clones to fill up the lighting space and flower them with little to no veg time, a mini SOG if you will. Say, 25 clones, each producing 10-20 grams each, with a 400w light, gives you that ~1gram/watt. That's just off the top of my head, but anyways that's the idea. I'm just more afraid of the plant numbers... I think it's safer to have 5 huge trees vs. 25 smaller ones (at least when the law is based on # of plants).

Thanks for checking it out :jointsmile:

what's good Finn? not trying to jinx you again, but i've seen two TWs hermie recently. where did you get the info from greenhouse about them herming if you don't mind me asking.

keep up the good work. and damn those house guests!


-shake

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Originally Posted by headshake

what's good Finn? not trying to jinx you again, but i've seen two TWs hermie recently. where did you get the info from greenhouse about them herming if you don't mind me asking.

keep up the good work. and damn those house guests!


-shake

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It was from IC, in the GHS section, in a thread called 'Trainwreck... this is what I got' post #161 - no sign of hermies from that poster.

Some people say that the 'real clone-only Arcata TW cut' will also hermie, some say it doesn't... don't really know who to believe :wtf: as these things are pretty hard to verify.

lookin good for an old HPS...that's work!

do you have a ratchet on your closet rod for raising and lowering your light? i noticed how the chain wraps around it...clever! :thumbsup:

nice grow!

Just a quick update... All are doing very well.

TW is still in veg, maybe in another week it will get the screen (if it keeps growing like this :)). Then flower it in about 2-2.5 weeks.

All 5 MS's have been flowering now seven days, starting to see some calyxes forming. I've been tying them down a little to try and expose more shoots and it's starting to pay off. Once the buds start forming I'll stop training except to maybe even out the canopy if one shoot starts to really 'run away'.

I've been watering them about every 4-5 days, and now that the roots have had a chance to grow into the pots, it'll probably be every 3-4 days. The TW and MS1 (larger containers) have a different soil which I think is 'hotter' (better quality, more expensive too), so they received plain water today. Every time before this they have all received full doses of Canna nutrients, 5ml/liter, Terra Vega for the TW, and Terra Flores for the MS's. Also giving them 10ml/L of the seaweed stuff, doesn't seem to be hurting, so why not :jointsmile:

In the pics, the TW is on the far left and the MS1 (the oldest of the MS by about a week) is on the far right. I think the MS1 is a runt, very small leaves compared to the others... not just narrow, just small.

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Originally Posted by stra8outtaWeed

lookin good for an old HPS...that's work!

do you have a ratchet on your closet rod for raising and lowering your light? i noticed how the chain wraps around it...clever! :thumbsup:

nice grow!

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Got a new bulb in a couple weeks ago, and working out really well :thumbsup:

No wratchet, just 4 of these small safety hooks. Hard to explain but on the rod on the left side, the safety hook is fastened to the chain so it won't move. The chain actually goes through the hooks on the light, and then it's fastened again on the right side on the rod... Does that make sense???... I leave the extra chain on that right side, so if I want to lower or raise the light, I only have to undo that hook, and wrap or unwrap the chain on that spot, and re-hook it.

Thanks for stopping by :jointsmile:

very ingeniuos way of raising and lowering your light!

leave it to pot growers....we are part engineers sometimes! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by stra8outtaWeed

very ingeniuos way of raising and lowering your light!

leave it to pot growers....we are part engineers sometimes! :thumbsup:

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at least part of the time!!!


keep up the good work Finn. i look forward to seeing a ScROG.


-shake

Thanks Shake! Just bought some chicken wire... SCRoG will be up in a couple days I think...:)

Update: HERMIES on 4/5 MS... no surprise

I already cut one of them down a couple days ago... I think I'll try to prune the nanners on the other 3 for a while, just to get some more potency out of them. I'll probably cut them down early anyways just for some smoke. Hopefully the 1 good MS will stay nanner free :wtf:

Hopefully at least one of those MS can stay hermie free! Even a bag seed strain that you have already grown out and know it hermies often you would still think you could get one good one once and awhile.

Damn MJ Hermies reminds me of Michael Jackson. Cause I'm BAD so BAD LMFAO!!!

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Originally Posted by frostedwonder

Hopefully at least one of those MS can stay hermie free! Even a bag seed strain that you have already grown out and know it hermies often you would still think you could get one good one once and awhile.

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Did a good check-up on the 4 remaining, and still have 1 that is hermie-free :D Picked off all the balls that I saw today, turned off the fan inside the cab also for precaution.

I said earlier I'd be happy if just 1 made it... but still not so happy :(

Oh well, still have the TW which is looking good, and I'll be picking off the balls as they come, until I get tired of it, and chop for some smoke. :rastasmoke:

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Damn MJ Hermies reminds me of Michael Jackson. Cause I'm BAD so BAD LMFAO!!!

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So, 3 MS's got chopped down already, they hermied really bad. I kept one of the hermie MS's and trying to pick off the balls as they come. It's sitting in the corner, no fan, so hopefully it won't pollinate the other one.

TW is still in veg for another week. Put the screen on top to promote lateral growth.

Pics: TW on the left, all female MS in the center, and hermied MS on the right.

so your hermi plants put out viable stamen? I had a crop of afghani hermie from stress (cut lights out for five days vacation) and they produced lots and lots of individual bananas that were sterile and produced no pollen. This is unusual as it is the natural occuring hermi plant that is more likely to produce sterile male stamen than the artificially induced hermies.

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Originally Posted by Shovelhandle

so your hermi plants put out viable stamen? I had a crop of afghani hermie from stress (cut lights out for five days vacation) and they produced lots and lots of individual bananas that were sterile and produced no pollen. This is unusual as it is the natural occuring hermi plant that is more likely to produce sterile male stamen than the artificially induced hermies.

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hmm... good question. I've been picking off the nanners and didn't find any pollen, but I was assuming that the stamen didn't have a chance to produce it yet.

Since these are S1 seeds (seeds from a hermaphrodite) I also assumed that these hermies could produce viable pollen and seeds also.

Now we all know what happens when you AssUMe :wtf: and maybe I jumped the gun on chopping... but in my defense, I'd rather have 2 perfect plants that'll last me through the summer until I'm back in Amsterdam, than have 5 seeded plants.

Thanks for the comment Shove, it's peaked my interest to study a little bit further into the phenomenon :thumbsup:

hey finn....

glad to see that your grow is going well.......seems a bit risky to me keeping that hermie in the same room with your girls......but I don't have your wisdom......

curious as to why cfl's take longer to show preflowers than the HID's?

by the way, how much of the TW do you go through a day.......

everything looks great!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Soldier

hey finn....

glad to see that your grow is going well.......seems a bit risky to me keeping that hermie in the same room with your girls......but I don't have your wisdom......

curious as to why cfl's take longer to show preflowers than the HID's?

by the way, how much of the TW do you go through a day.......

everything looks great!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

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Hey Buffalo

I'm curious to see how the hermie grows out... I've been doing my best to pick off the balls, just did it again today. I don't think it will stay alive too much longer, maybe a week or two. It's sitting in the corner by itself farthest from the intake, and with no fan blowing around in the room.

As for CFL's vs. HPS, I'd say it's because an HPS grows plants faster (and are more efficient watt for watt) so the plants mature faster.

Haven't smoked my TW since after the last summer. but it was plenty potent, so if I wanted to stay high all day, I needed about a gram that I rolled into joints (4-5 per day). Depends how much I've been smoking too, tolerance goes up, etc., but then I cut back a little.

For now I've been smoking the hermie plants I chopped up, just leaves, but still works for me since I didn't smoke for 2 months until about a week ago. Little :stoned: right now :)

I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?

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I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?

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I would hesitate to buy it again, or any other feminized seeds for that matter. There seems to be a lot of problems with hermies, although I haven't had that problem yet (knocks on wood).

The taste, well, it's nothing to brag about. Might have been my curing techniques (or lack thereof), but it had a sweet and pungent aroma and smoke also. I wouldn't call it smooth , because it gave you that little tingle in your throat, which I always attribute to high thc content (or weed that gives me a strong effect). It's not the biggest yielder either, but it is definitely potent. In Amsterdam I tried Greenhouse's TW at their coffeeshop, it had pretty much the same flavor but wasn't as potent IMO.

If you have the possibility to clone and maintain mothers, I think it's more than possible to buy a 5 or 10 pack of TW feminized and find a keeper for a mother plant. That's really the best way to go. Either that, or find the 'real' Arcata TW in clone. But it seems like that's been passed around so much and everyone claims to have the 'real' one, while results do vary. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by PhatJay

I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?

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If you are familiar to bag seed bud and rarely try the top shelf strains, TW will couch lock your ass:D

Give it a go.......

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

So, 3 MS's got chopped down already, they hermied really bad. I kept one of the hermie MS's and trying to pick off the balls as they come. It's sitting in the corner, no fan, so hopefully it won't pollinate the other one.

TW is still in veg for another week. Put the screen on top to promote lateral growth.

Pics: TW on the left, all female MS in the center, and hermied MS on the right.

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noticed that you don't anchor that screen down too much........is it not necessary?......just open up the plant as much as possible and let the screen rise with the plant growth??

thanks for all the advice Finn...funny to hear you say that your home grown is stronger than the amsterdam coffee shop:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

The taste, well, it's nothing to brag about.

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Not for me then, given a choice I like fruity/tasty weed, not just strength. I have been offered some White Rhino cuttings, a friend is growing from them now, so depending on how he gets on/it tastes I might try those.

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Soldier

If you are familiar to bag seed bud and rarely try the top shelf strains, TW will couch lock your ass:D

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I am growing from cuttings atm, when I buy weed I think I am quite lucky and do get some "top shelf" stuff. I had a choice of 4 really nice strains over christmas (inc L.A. Confidential) but my dealer doesn't always know what variety he is selling. We also get a lot of Cheese here, I like the hit, but I am not keen on the chemical/earthy taste.

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noticed that you don't anchor that screen down too much........is it not necessary?......just open up the plant as much as possible and let the screen rise with the plant growth??

thanks for all the advice Finn...funny to hear you say that your home grown is stronger than the amsterdam coffee shop:thumbsup:

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The screen is duct taped to the wall on 2 sides to hold it in place, but otherwise it's not anchored to the plant or pot yet. I'm not letting anything grow above the screen yet. As soon as a shoot pokes through the screen, I pull it back under and stretch it out farther. This way the plant doesn't really have a chance to push up on the screen much.

Eventually I'll anchor it to the main stem in a couple places, when I see the need for it. With this way I can still take the plant out of the closet if I need to without taking the screen with it. I'll do a final transplant to a 20L bucket (now in 15L) probably a week or two into flowering so it has fresh soil for the last 6-7 weeks. By the third week it should stop stretching, start forming buds, and I'll let everything start to grow above the screen. At least that's the plan :)

looking nice Finn. sorry to hear about those damn hermies! bitches need to learn to keep their balls tucked in, like buffalo bill (not a shot at the buffalo soldier!)!

-shake

Thanks Shake :jointsmile:

Seems to be no stopping that herm... picked off about 40-50 balls a few days ago, seems like there are even more on it now, needs another picking tomorrow...

holy hell!

-shake

Chopped the last hermie, just way too many balls. Still didn't find any pollen, so it may have been sterile, but really didn't want to risk it. Need a perfect harvest.

TW will go into flowering tonight. The screen is starting to fill up. I think it will stretch a lot in the next 2 weeks and fill up most of the screen.

MS is 3 weeks into flowering now, looking very nice.


Pic 1 is the TW and MS side by side
Pics 2 & 3 are the TW Scrog
Pic 4 is the biggest bud site on the MS

Looking good, :thumbsup: Cant wait to see them TW back in action again. Can't wait to get my hands on some TW and a list of others:D. Later:hippy:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Nice to see you around here. What's going on with you?

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

Chopped the last hermie, just way too many balls. Still didn't find any pollen, so it may have been sterile, but really didn't want to risk it. Need a perfect harvest.

TW will go into flowering tonight. The screen is starting to fill up. I think it will stretch a lot in the next 2 weeks and fill up most of the screen.

MS is 3 weeks into flowering now, looking very nice.


Pic 1 is the TW and MS side by side
Pics 2 & 3 are the TW Scrog
Pic 4 is the biggest bud site on the MS

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Great shots Finn.........are u a believer in the bigger the roots the bigger the buds??

.......I understand the scrog finally:cool:

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Great shots Finn.........are u a believer in the bigger the roots the bigger the buds??

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Yes!:jointsmile:

And speaking off, the TW drank all its water in less than 2.5 days, which tells me it's time for the larger container (in a 15L now). I'll put it in a 5 gal tomorrow maybe, and do the cake stacking technique to give the roots a ton of room (effectively it will be a 6-7 gal). I'm expecting big things yield wise from this one, even though TW isn't known for its yield.

I was reading another thread by a grower who could only have 6 plants due to the law, and he found that by using much larger containers, the plants had better yields. He was using 10gal containers to finish in.

Personally, I'd rather use the SOG method, filling up the grow area with clones and flowering them with little to no veg time. This would give you a greater yield per month.

sould we expect to see a SOG/ CLONE grow??.........

Would love to see you max out the square footage!!:D


your roots are growing very quick........probably the HPS:):thumbsup:


peace

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sould we expect to see a SOG/ CLONE grow??.........

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Always planning :jointsmile:

Not while I'm in Finland :( Need to keep the plant counts low...

Hopefully we will move to Amsterdam later this year, and I have all kinds of ideas, we'll see, depends on the apartment, etc.. but I'm thinking a Chemdog Sour Diesel or Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze (seeds ordered) mother and 9 clones in a 3ft x 3ft (or so), topped or LST'd (2 week veg) :D

(I believe the Dutch law decriminalized possession of 5 plants, so I'm assuming that me + my wife = 10 :) Need to investigate further :stoned:)

sounds great.........I would love to run the same grow with you......only with TW and WW my favorite.

guess I would need a second cab...

lookin to learn a ton!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Hey yo BigTops, Hows it going round that side bro. Well My plans are to Get my PPP in a 2 gal pot today some time in the after noon. Its growing really well root wise, So I figure 1 1/2- 3 weeks it will be ready to see the 5 gal. maybe even sooner. I am hoping my clones root right now, Got about 10-15 From the PPP I took. And another 4 I took off some Nug Bag seed, Which has a fruity taste and smell once in flower(bout7 weeks ready but 9 would be a hell of a couch lock) and the high is awesome with a nice yield.

Thinking bout revamping my cab. starting from the drawing board again.:D Maybe if you got a min or two you can stop in my thread in the indoor section.

Well its 2 in the morning and its time for my :smokebong: :joint1:


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Hey Killer alls well here :)

I checked out your thread but couldn't really comment... but maybe the I'll take a shot here: a 600w would be really nice, and less of a hassle for the cooltube and ventilation, since with 2 x 400w you will probably still need/want cooltubes in that space... :twocents:

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TW is now 1 week into flowering, stretching out nicely. Repotted to a ~5 gal, might be larger, bucket with plenty of soil underneath (used a whole 12L bag of soil + a couple liters of pebbles), so should have a lot of space for the roots to grow into. Still feeding with just water, the new soil is good quality and has a lot of nutrients. I'll start with bloom nutes in a couple weeks probably.

I did the cake-stack with the MS, just raised it a few inches with fresh soil on the bottom. Hopefully it's enough to finish in. Also trimmed off the tiny buds forming at the bottom. Haven't touched the leaves except to tie a couple back to get more light to lower buds. The MS is getting about 3/4 strength Canna Flores nutes and about 1/2 strength PK boost. Sometimes I'll give both, sometimes just the Canna.

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1 & 2: TW in the scrog
3: MS
4: MS main bud
5: random MS bud

Looks great Finn!....can't wait to see your screen explode:thumbsup: