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MVP sorry to hog up your thread...this is the lastt time i'll stick another one liner post here (ha ha) but here's a photo of my k def in my plants......has a very...unique spotted look to it....and on the back of the left the yellow spots are BURNED through the plant.
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...urn-mites.html
your reverse osmosis water has all the cal/mag removed, you need to add that back into the res with calmag+ or another similar product. You may have some other minor def working there, but with adding the calmag you should knock out alot of that stuff. While your at the store, i would also look at a micro nute just to be on the safe side (it wont hurt to have it handy if you need it).
From what i can see in your photo's your missing Cal for certain. I personally try and solve one problem at a time, that allows me to dial into the problem more accurately. Just my opinion, but i am sure there will be another post coming shortly.....
OK, thanks for digging up a photo. BTW hydro store # 1 is not open so I have to wait til noon to go to store #2. In the meanwhile I am building a small recirculating DWC for my Black Dominas that are due out of veg in a couple of weeks. Adding shelves to the Veg closet too.
Makes me wonder when I get my new job how the heck I will find time to do all of this!
Praying for Mg is a myth. Mg def presents as a regular striping between veins.
Looks like you've got potassium locked out somehow.
I'd go back to the basics, foliar feed with a weak solution of the GH micro to keep it from getting worse, lay off the Epsom salts, be certain that you've got calmag or that your tap water is providing sufficient micros, monitor pH carefully... you know the drill.
All this multiple-nute hydro chatter makes my small brain hurt.
Honestly I'd lay off the liquid karma and sweet until you know what's going on. But that's my personal opinion.
In my own hydro dabblings and splashings, I go by the 'less is more' approach to supplements- I use half as much as the rec. dose, and only topmax and molasses. I figure, a living plant that survives to harvest yields more by definition than one I've killed with supplement overdose... Weedhound may remember my misadventures with 'gravity' this summer... hahahaha what a fucking MESS.
To me it depends what the suppliment is....I love LK and will add some to sick plants regularly....but not at full strenth as Stinky says....(Stinky always says cool stuff :)) and A TOUCH of sweet doesn't hurt imo (a touch is NOT 15/mlgallon) but I could drop the sweet easily in a sick plant and not be upset either. 100ppms of LK works out to about 3-4 mls per gallon.
PS....my bottle of gravity still sits unused.....staring at me....chuckling softly......waiting.....:eek:
Not using any chemical ferts, only organics, primarily Botanicare stuff. Any rec's instead of the GH stuff (or is it not synthetic?...) I do have a jug of Earth Juice here for the dirt girls but that stuff causes a bit of a smell...Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Referring back to Mr. Clipboard, last nute change I added 2.5ml of Sweet and 5ml of LK per gallon of water. That resulted in Sweet = 50 PPM and LK = 100 PPM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
*Jingle, jingle* - that's my car keys as I get ready to head out and fetch the CALMAG :thumbsup:
YOU GO MVP!! Way to keep track of shit!!! i'm impressed.....don't let the dog hang it's head out the window in the car.....he could poke out an eye.....:D:D
Shoot. You're one of those dirty hippies with the pure-organic grows! :D
I haven't the foggiest how else to add a lot of micro nutes really effectively and remain fully organic.
Troubleshooting an organic grow is HARD as you've seen. I hate to say it but this is enough of an emergency to go grab a bottle of GH micro or algoflash and swallow your organic pride for a moment anyway... or have a friend do it if you simply can't bear to spray the evil chemicals yourself... hahaha....
WH, lol @ Gravity chuckling... mine is doing the same thing... mocking me from next to the kitchen sink... saying 'you aren't happy wiht me as a fertilizer? try me as a marinade!!! I'm kelp-ily delicious!":D
Have a friend do it....ha ha .....pretty sly....like a your kid getting a shot or something.....:D
OK, back from the store and errands... need info to mix up this brew..... so how many ml/gal of CalMag should add to the nutes in your opinion? I have the following from the new nutes I put in a day and a half ago:
3 gallons RO water + 1 gallon tap water (96 PPM)
Pure Blend Pro - Bloom, 60ml (630 PPM)
Liquid Karma 20ml (100 PPM)
Sweet 10ml (50 PPM)
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Total PPM = 885
PH = 5.8
I checked them a minute ago - the PPM was 920 and PH was between 5.7 - 5.8
Well not sure how long you've been without the necessary minerals etc...so lets start with 200ppm....especially since you have a nudge of tap water on board.....I would simply add it and watch things....see how they do.
I REALLY hope this solves your probs MVP......otherwise.....i never heard of you.. :D (j/k!)
Frankly I prefer to be called a California Hydro Hippie. And I found the organic Micro at the Hydro Hippie market... read on amiga....Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Well, I started winging it an hour ago since I was under a time pressure with friends coming over any minute now: I added CalMag and Earth Juice (organic!) Micro to bring total PPM to 1115. I have to report that 95 Percent of the PPM bump was due to the CalMag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Wish me well, I gotta say a prayer and hope for the best! :pimp:
Oh yeah, I applied the organic Micro as a topical to the foliage too......
That the EJ Micro-blast? Good stuff, if it is.
That sounds good to me except the Micro blast thing which I have no clue. Update in am MVP....now I'm all excited about it.
Hi Rhizome...:)
Yes it is the EJ Micro Blast. Local hydro guy recommends it for those of us Hippies that are stubbornly determined to grow organic hydroponics. Thanks for stopping by, I can use all the eyes and minds that can help figure out this mess...Quote:
Originally Posted by rhizome
Morning Update:
Checked the numbers
- 1060 PPM (was 1115 last night)
- 5.7 PH (same as last night)
Foliar fed the girls with 1/2 strength EJ Micro Blast
Temps 67 F at canopy, 67 F solution
Exhaust fan dialed back to low
Some leaves on MKs look yellow with slight necrosis.. but not worse
Leaves on Super Spunk seem to be slowly regaining green color
Smells nice in there.... thank goodness
Afternoon/Evening Update to follow
oops...you just updated....n/m
Sounds like they are snarfing down the CalMag......which way do your numbers usually go....do they rise or go down for a trend?
I have not made good notes until a week and a half ago when luck ran out and flying by the seat of my pant began to suck. Still getting used to Mr. Clipboard, but he gardens with me each morning and evening when checking numbers.
I want to say that the PPM increased as water consumption increased and the water level fell. But in the last 10 days PPM has bumped up and down by no more than maybe 100 over a 24 hour period.
Water consuption has been light during the same time frame.
You mentioned the scent....would you say that is better today? If they really eat those numbers down are you prepared to change entire res to restore nute balance? Just something to think about.
Very slightly better today. I run a large carbon filter but I did notice a slight improvement. Changing nutes is no problem if the numbers fall - I have 10 gal of RO, PBP Bloom, LK, Sweet, EJ Micro, and of course CalMag on hand - so THAT is a problem I would LOVE to have....
I just pumped them up to 1115 yesterday afternoon from 920 in the morning. All fresh nutes a couple of days ago, but if the numbers fall I'll change them gladly. What do ya think my taget number should be?
Well here is where I'm not sure about things and am doing some guessing. I have a feeling that they are mostly sucking down CalMag.....you mentioned before that they did not appear to be eating much.....obviously now they are. You can go two ways with this....
I would say when your number gets down below 1000 you can either add 100ppm CalMag or change things over to a whole new rez solution.
If you are going to change your rez.....If it is possible to use ALL RO water here....I would if I were you. If that were the case I would use RO water and 300ppm CalMag in addition to whatever you are running...(about 1200 ppm with supplements) .if you use tap water.....if you use 1 gal tap water I'd go with 250 ppm and put your number at about 1100.
Other option would be to just add more CalMag. This is much less precise however....because we are only assuming the plant is eating the Cal MAg....we're not really sure WHAT the plant is eating....capice? It's a pretty safe guess I think.....but not positive so that route is a litte more chancy imo because you could possibly end up putting in too much. Between your bloom nutes and your CalMag....I'd like to see 1000ppms.....700 base nutes and 300 CalMag (or tap....but I'd like to dump your tap stuff completely) and then the LK and Sweet numbers after that....and I'd stay under 1200. ;)
I've pretty much settled into the idea of dumping tap and going completely with RO. I even pickep up a second 5-gal RO bottle and filled 'er up. I'll probably go with a quick add of CalMag if I see a big drop tonight. Otherwise the plan is all fresh nutes on Friday morning as I am heading out for Vegas for Fri-Sat-(maybe)Sunday. I'll have my GF check in on the girls and foliar feed if they still appear needy that way.
That sounds pretty much exactly what I would do....add 100ppm if needed then change over next time.....pretty safe bet that's what they want this time around. After that...who knows?
Sounds like you are getting pretty dialed in there....going with all RO water is an excellent idea....you know EXACTLY what is going into your rez....not a problem until you have an issue. Believe me I find that one out the hard way myself. ;)
Our well water was about 170 ppms but i could NOT control the ph with it. Yours has 300ppms....kind of scary because what IS all that in there?
I have figured out whatever IS in there- it is the REASON to go to RO water - for predictability and consistency...Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
yes exactly....! I think alot of us hydro geeks are also control freaks.....the more control I have over my plants the better I like it. :)
Final number from this evening:
PPM rose a smidge from 1060 to 1075
PH dropped from 5.7 to 5.5
I wanna believe that their leaves look like they are slowly recovering, but I'm not sure yet. Guess I'm being hopeful.
On a related note (kinda) I remodeled my mum area and my transition bubbler where I move my clones after they exit the humidity dome. Still got some work to finish but making progress.
So when do ya think I should kick the PPMs up to the ~1300 range? I wanna get them going so they can finish in time to keep my Dominas from starting flower late...
soo many words and not enough pictures.... post some pics and we can better understand, as wel as drool over another persons plants:D
You are pretty much where you want to be imo.....Next res change go with RO water
and I'd do....
CalMAg 300.....i would leave this number all the way through your grow
PB Bloom 600 (top out at 700ppm)
LK Same as whatever you are using (top out at 7ml/gal)
Sweet....same as whatever you are using (same as LK) and then if no problems.....go to the max. But if you encounter the same issue (big drop in numbers...) I probably wouldn't RAISE nutes....just change res more often to keep a balance.
You are pretty much looking at what I flower my plants with....the only change I make is increase the bloom nutes by about 100ppm when I switch over the to bloom booster.....ends up at 700... ending with about 1350 ish....I don't really go above that.
How high are you thinking you want to go cause after that you are on your own....;)
If you can change your rez to fresh stuff tomorrow I would....clean slate to watch plants from if possible and if trends continue just make the CalMAg part of your regular nutes. I think this is a good idea to do very soon because they seem to have stopped sucking everything down. What if they stopped sucking things down because they ran out of something?? ....We don't really know and we don't want that which is why I suggest a fresh start tomorrow. If you get the same trend tomorrow (big drop right away then nothing)...I'd probably change the rez again until I got an even trend going. Make sense?
MVP...you can't rush these girls.....they will need time to recover. All you can do here is play defense and watch them carefully. They will take some extra time and I don't think there is any way around that. I think if you try to push too much too fast you will burn them.....not worth that worry after all this work you've done.
Your turn to wait and see....:D ;)
All right MVP......what's going on over there....???? :wtf: Update please. ;)
Another day.... am I making progress? I'm not sure. :wtf:
PPM rose a smidge from 1075 to 1090
PH rose from 5.5 to 5.7
I'm an eternal optimist but I can't decipher what the numbers mean since I cannot seem to find a pattern. The plan is to do a res change with new nutes either tonight or tomorrow early morning before I get out of town for a few days.
Not to worry I have a babysitter for the girls I am training for when I am gone a few days. ;)
MVP I'm not sure you can find a pattern until you repeat the same process a few times....thats why I suggested fresh nutes for today. So we could create the right enviroment to be able to track things accurately. How do the plants LOOK? That's more important to me than the numbers. And whats the ph?
Here are some pics that are shot with the HPS on so they don't show too well....
I'm wondering why the leaves on the main colas are turning up... on a different site it said they are "praying for MG", but stinky says that is a myth. Any ideas?
Plants look slightly better (color-wise) but are not exhibiting new growth yet.
PH is 5.7, up from 5.5 last night
I'm sorry MVP...i looked at the photos but I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean with the colas turned up. I didn't see anythig weird but.....lighting ....etc....could you explain a little better for me?
are you talking about the leaf edges curled up? You know....I've just heard TWICE recently about a low/abnormal ph causing the leaf edges to curl up.....although Stinky wisely thought heat first.....check both.....calibrate your meter if you haven't lately
I'm guessing its probably heat. When we have a 80 degree day here like we did 2 weeks ago, my temp climb to 85 F at the canopy, sometimes a few degrees more. I have been calibrating my pHep about 2x month to be on the safe side.
So Hound, how is Kushette? Does she have her own thread yet?
She's doing really well. :thumbsup: I've bought a bunch of supplies to get ready for cloning...but I won't hog your thread here with that stuff. I am going to update later today on everyone because I got some brand new hydro toys to play with too. :)