EG is missing his corpus callosum and thus interprets all statements for their face value. If I am wrong, I would advise you to take a hard look at this page EG Sarcasm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Printable View
EG is missing his corpus callosum and thus interprets all statements for their face value. If I am wrong, I would advise you to take a hard look at this page EG Sarcasm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
like i said eg , you baffle me at times
[quote=vostro]A tell-tale sign of a person with an irrational, emotional decision masquerading as an intellectual conclusion is when the person is unable to admit a chance that they are wrong into their model. Hardline conclusions come from ignorance about the other side of the spectrum. Whenever someone is 100% sure about something run the other way.
QUOTE]
Quote:
What is real is happiness, humbleness, helping people, and raising a productive healthy family. Friendships and love are real. Forget the rest of the stuff it means nothing on your deathbed.
i couldn't agree more... i already stated before i read that, that i could be wrong, of course i could i am human... and i really do want to help people...
i am not being immature, or childish (more than i actually am)
you created this based on emotion, wouldn't you like to end it with fact?
I do believe everything the government tells me-vostro....i dont believe nothing i say and no1 should, go find the facts for your self...am i being for real or is it sarcasm.......IDK :rolleyes::i feel stupid::wave1::s4::icon506::rastabanna::admin1:Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
eg... don't stoop man... let the truth be your weapon...
everything is psychology man... everything
[quote=vostro]I think we should delete this thread. I was reading the newspaper just now, and when I assigned a number to each letter in the alphabet, 1 - 26, then took the third letter from each 3+ letter word in the article I was reading, added 1 to it's numerical value, and translated back into alpha form, you wouldn't believe what it spelled:
Vostro smokes crack ?!
Vostro, my replies to your newer posts.
Think of the media and the government this way. There are a some very rich, powerful, corrupt, and immoral people out there. These guys met one day and had a chat about how they can control the country. They decided that they must brainwash the people first. So they bought the media. Now these few people fuck us over, and then use the media, which they control to cover it up.
Look up some article on the media coverage immediately following 9/11. In the first 1-2 days there were all sorts of conspiracy theories on the major news channels. Then they disappeared all of a sudden.
What happened was that the media owners told the bosses at the media to stop this conspiracy shit cuz it's unpatriotic. This command went down the corporate chain of command, and in the end noone talked about it.
And FYI, there aren't thousands of elaborate conspiracy theories. It's a common misconception among those who never do any research. Once you start looking at conspiracy theories, you will find that all of them fit together and make sense. And there is only one main conspiracy theory for every time we got fucked over, like JFK and 9/11. There is one theory and not dozens. Conspiracy theorists aren't nutjobs that make shit up, but are guys who found out the truth, and are trying to tell people.
Why do all of them fit together and make sense? Cuz it's the truth!
They do give weapons in exchange for cocaine and heroin, and smuggle it into this country, but I wouldn't say they are the biggest drug dealer in the world. And it's not necessarily the whole CIA, just parts of it. The largest drug dealer in the world, by far, is the pharmaceutical industry (and closely following are the tobacco and alcohol industries). It's legal drug dealing, and many of the drugs they sell have possible side effects that are worse than many illegal drugs. Ever see an ad on TV for a prescription drug that has multiple deadly possible side-effects, like heart failure and stroke? Crazy that they can sell this shit, and hardly anybody seems to be against it. Some may argue that "well, they're legal, and they actually help you." What everyone must understand is that just about every drug, even mostly-recreational illegal drugs, has a medical benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
wow, good point... i definately went overboard, pharm. corporartions, definately push more drugs than anyone else on the planet, but the cia, was at least responsible for starting the flow of drugs into this country, and routinely upkeep the flow. that's messed upQuote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
like i could take some viagra and go blind,or can have a headache and take a shitload of aspren it will be the last fuckin headache ill ever have
i don't really see anything wrong with conspiracy theorists. for the most part it's just fanciful imaginings and paranoid delusions, but from time to time they uncover some hidden truth or bit of forgotten information and they always keep us questioning the veracity of those we have placed in power. the only problems are those of their followers who allow their childish naivete, blind hatred and impotent rage to override their common sense. these are the folks who see only conspiracies and blind themselves to any possibility that something might actually be as it seems. though they are more irritating than dangerous, there is always the possibility of taking such a stance too far. that certainty that they are one of the few who see the true nature of their surroundings is born of the same mentality that assured such men as stalin and hitler of their superiority. after all, we all want to be special and some prefer to maintain an illusion of superiority rather than admit that they are just like the rest of us, struggling to understand those things over which we have no control. some men find that illusion in religion, some find it in the battle for wealth or power, some find it by despising all those who they see as having power over them and ridiculing those that don't share their beliefs.
:hippy:
You make a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Vostro, I think you are being naive. I wonder why your comments are so angry and you choose to resort to name calling? Authority should always be questioned, especially in a democracy! The government works for us, we pay them! To not know that there are conspiracys in our government is to deny history. Especially the last 6+ years.This is the first time in history that the US has condoned & passed laws that protects torture, illegal war, spying unfettered on US citizens, lawless mercenarys, etc. The mentality that you display is,I suspect, the same as that of the German people as Hitler rose to power.These people on the whole were not bad, they just let themselves be misled. The repercussions of our actions during the last 6+ years will haunt us for decades.
The mentality of the German people that let Hitler rise to power is we're poor, in despair, and getting the short end of the stick as a result of WWI. "We need breathing room" And just a little bit at a time.
How that compares to not buying other people's escapist make-believe I have no idea - because it doesn't.
The vigor of most conspiracy defense is a function of how entertaining the idea is. Just because you lie to yourself don't expect me to buy into it.
Your last post says volumes.
Indeed it does. In fact, if you're interested in Nazi analogies - I'd say the conspiracy theorists are more comparable to the brainwashed German people. Both bodies of people on-the-whole lead lives that are lacking emotionally or otherwise; and are willing to buy into something that is either twisted logic or irrational in order to fill that void or have the hope of filling it. Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.
not that I'm a conspiracy theorist or anything, I just dropped in, but what you did is the same tactic that the faithful use when dismissing the non-believers. They claim that since God isn't in my life, that my life lacks meaning and that I must be very sad all the time. Stop trying to lump everyone who questions the government as a crack pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
When we discuss the feeding habits of field mice we speak about the group as a whole. If 90% of field mice display the same feeding habits and you're having an abstract-level conversation about it, you're not obligated to include the 10% exception. The same rule applies for almost all things. For some reason when we start talking about people, out of sheer self-importance, others get this impression that it's intellectually dishonest to talk in generalities. No one goes to bat for the field mice because it would be ridiculous. Somehow peoples' oversensitive egos change the rules. Well I don't go by those rules.
Similarly, if 90% of the time you walked by someone with a cane and they hit you with it, eventually you would be guarded when you walked by people with canes. That's how our brains work, and for good reason. In my life I have very, very rarely met a conspiracy theorist who wasn't a complete crack pot. That's my experience, at least 90%, just like the field mice. I have every right to lump conspiracy theorists together as crack pots. And stop with the misconstrued straw-men arguments already - it's not everyone that questions the government. That was never, and will never be, my argument. If you're going to criticize me, have the target be something I actually said. Everyone questions the government at some point, so that would mean my position is that everyone is a crackpot. I question the government. As I said - if I wasn't ready and willing to break the law I wouldn't be on this forum in the first place. If you believe in 3+ conspiracies, judging from my personal, and not limited exposure to people who believe in 3+ conspiracies, it is extremely probable that you believe in those things as an expression of escapism. You have no right to tell me I can't make judgments based on personal experience, what my personal experience was, or that it is inappropriate to share that experience with others.
My biggest question is why I feel compelled enough by this topic to waste my time writing on this thread. Maybe its a way for me to release pent up frustration, accumulated over many years, listening to people force their bullshit fantasies down my throat. Standing at the top of the World Trade Center train station with bullhorns. My next move, if I don't get the gratification I'm looking for out of this thread, is going to be equipping myself with my own bullhorn, and when I see another one of those guys I'm going to stick it in his ear and tell him to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
What exactly is a "crack pot"? Believing in 3+ conspiracies? lol, that is completely pulled from your personal opinion, where is the science in that? You're comparing scientific studies of lab rats to the general population of humans that know nothing except what they read in the newspaper or see on TV. Comparing fact and fiction now are we..
Scientific discourse and personal conclusions are both based off of observational experience. That is the link in a more condensed format if my explanation was too abstract.
To answer your question in 1000 words, I have attached an image of a crackpot.
Yes, 90% of conspiracy theories are crack-pots, just like 90% of black people are criminals? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
Just to pose a question... about how many conspiracy theorists have you met?
And just to tell you about the getting hit with the cane thing you said. When you end up getting nervous when walking by someone with a cane, and get defensive, it's called conditioning. After awhile, you become conditioned to it. But that does not necessarily mean that every person with a cane is going to hit you. Same goes with conspiracy theorists being crackpots. Maybe you've met a lot of conspiracy theorists who are "crackpots" (at least in your mind). But that does not mean that at least 90% of conspiracy theorists are crackpots. Obviously you pulled that percentage out of your ass anyway. But the point is there... "most conspiracy theorists are crackpots." And this would also depend on how many conspiracy theorists you have met. It is entirely possible that by chance you stumbled upon these "crackpot" conspiracy theorists, and have never, or rarely, been exposed to "non-crackpot" conspiracy theorists. So before you come up with even a fake percentage, you might want to try and meet more. Maybe you could go out and find a few thousand. Then you would have at least a little bit more accuracy in your statement. Or, of course, you could go out and meet more than a few thousand. The point is, you cannot make generalizations based on your very little experience with conspiracy theorists. I'm pretty sure you haven't had much. In fact, I am 100% sure that you have not met that many. Definitely not over 100, and most likely under 70.
and how many of the freedom hating terrorists commanded by the six and a half foot guy in the cave on the dialysis machine are crackpots?
These are all non-scientific classifications of people. It doesn't mean we don't use them, and because personal conditioning has the potential to be misrepresentative of the results that you would get from a scientific study it doesn't mean we don't use that conditioning to form opinions and conclusions. You do. If you say you don't you're lying to yourself. That's how our brains work whether you like it or not.
If you want some specific statistics I'll give you one - I've never known a single respectable, intelligent, responsible person who started pouring conspiracy fantasies down my throat. None one. If I did maybe I'd be a little more apt to listen. Your average whack job at burning man isn't the type of person I respect or look up to and those, in my experience, are the conspiracy theorists. I hear weird-sounding/far-out theories on Coast-to-Coast AM, and though the conclusions of most of the programs' guests are wild I listen to and consider them because for the most part the guests are articulate and give the impression of being knowledgeable. People who sound intelligent are more likely to be intelligent, at least that's the way it seems. It seems that way to you too, and if you lie to yourself about that fact that's not my problem.
As for the freedom hating terrorists, I think you should watch a movie called Syriana (and understand it). Not that it's an epiphany-in-a-can unto itself, but it demonstrates a very valid point. Which is that all humans, from all cultures, in all times are essentially identical. Social mores sway back and forth and surface-level cultural things change, but that bottom 95% of almost every human is the same. We all want the same things. To feel like we have a purpose, to be loved, to be respected. We all get jealous and angry, we all make mistakes, do stupid things, become confused, yatta yatta yatta. We are built in such a way that we can become mislead sometimes, and do terrible things. You are still responsible for your actions, but you are not fundamentally flawed, at least not more so than we all are. Because there is a sub-culture of people in the Middle East who have been raised in a world which paints the West as an enemy, Bin Laden included, doesn't mean they're all evil. It's extremely convenient to pigeonhole people into groups of good and evil but that rigid classification just doesn't account for the complexities of reality, and specifically not the complexities of human psychology. But I digress.
Conspiracy people, I appreciate that there are people out there looking for cover-ups so they can jump on them like white on rice. That that contingent is out there probably keeps the crooked fogies on their toes to some degree if nothing else. However, and this is a big however - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Keep it on your contained forum, or other conspiracy "friendlies" who you know have already bought what you're selling before you even start. If you're the bullhorn type, I will be the first one to dismantle your fantasies for what they really are because you're intruding on my peace-of-mind for ESCAPIST purposes that masquerade as an obligation to the public.
When escapism isn't involved, when you walk by a homeless person who asks for money, or you'd rather buy a new XBox game than donate to charity - where is your vigorous concern for your public then? When escapism is not a fringe benefit? No where to be found, that's where. Because it's all complete bullshit in the first place.
Don't forget - the people in this picture vote Democrat. And that's a promise.
Yeah, stop it conspiracy people! When has the government ever lied to us?
People who don't believe that goverments are made up of elitist people held in place by corrupt and powerful families is deluding themselves.
con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design:
Tell me goverments and big business aren't guilty of this and I will answer the only way I can :: Are you fuckin' blind or just plain crazy?
First, who are you to tell anyone where to say anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
Second, if you are going to attack somone for their beliefs, without due process, then you clearly have issues, that should be dealt with.
Now, i personally try not to follow any stoyline i can't prove, so while my mind may fantasy, grand scheme and plots, I cannot do anything but process ALL the information given to me. I can argue many times for both sides.
I just think it's sad, how society moves away from the greater good, and advancement
TallCoolOne by the breadth of your post I'd venture to guess that you didn't bother reading the thread at all, let alone invested any time into thinking about it. Of course that's your right, but I think it's good to be clear.
Who am I to tell anyone where to saying something? I'm a person that has to be there listening to it. That's who. The necessary due process was my personal experience, since this is personal opinion. I don't need a jury of peers in order to form personal conclusions if that's what you're getting at. Seems like common sense to me and nothing to do with issues.
Vostro . IMO Those who don't believe in conspiracies are like ostriches : they're burying thier heads in the sand.
Not believing in conspiracies is the same as not believing that people can be corrupt.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
Roots by the River: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely
I think Vostro is a disinformation agent.
Of course people can be corrupt. Maybe if we're playing a definition game on that level it's helpful to be clear on what is meant by conspiracy. Cooperating with someone in planning to break the law is technically conspiracy. By that definition, there are thousands of conspiracies forming and executing every hour across the world. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about GWB and Bin Laden being golf buddies because his relatives fled US public persecution after 9/11, which anyone with a preservation instinct would have done. I'm talking about people who think that Jews/Illuminati/Underground Reptilian Aliens control the Earth.
Are we all getting fucked by the international banking system? Yeah. Anybody who has bothered to look into non-secret, if sometimes technical, facts knows that. It's nothing to get all saucer-eyed about.
I got a $10 bill for whoever is reading this that before you plant yourself on your death bed you will do something that someone, somewhere would classify as corrupt. Once again, if your position really had strength your best defense wouldn't be against an argument that I never made.
As for you mfqr, you got me. The jig is up. I was really pullin the wool until you showed up.
Wow, I've never seen a disinfo agent admit it so quickly, or even admit it at all. Well, that's good then.Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
By the way, shapeshifting reptillians from the fourth dimension do exist, whether you'd like to believe it or not. They are working with the Bush administration and the global elite right now, as we speak, to get the next "terrorist" attack underway, so that the U.S. may then have a "reason" to go into a police state.
Ok, I'm joking.
As for the Illuminati, the Illuminati did/does exist. However, it's shrouded in mystery. That doesn't mean that everybody that knows of the Illuminati thinks they are involved in some big conspiracy. That is such a misrepresentation of them... although I wouldn't doubt it if they were. But really, nobody knows if they are involved in conspiracies. But the fact is, they did exist, and may still exist. Go look it up, there's some history on them -- especially the Bavarian Illuminati.
And I, unlike you, will reply with something that completely proves you wrong instead of a goofy image of Rosie that accomplishes nothing and proves nothing. I feel bad for people that always argue their side with stupid pictures... wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by vostro
Yet again..
"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller, ??Memoirs?, 2002
I feel bad for those people too, which is why I don't "always" argue my side with stupid pictures. Good to know we're on the same team. Anybody have anything to contribute to this thread besides undeveloped ideas, rehashed, irrelevant quotes, or rhetoric? We should close it at this rate.
To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution. If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional. To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness.
That a ruling power elite does indeed control the U.S. government behind the scenes has been attested to by many Americans in a position to know. Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the Supreme Court (1939-1962), said: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." In a letter to an associate dated November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote, "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
You could at least give credit to who actually wrote your whole post there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballast
Vostro you seem to be losing interest in your own thread , could that be because you took a stance you're finding difficult to defend ?
You claim that all conspiracy "nuts" are wrong and then backtrack to say "well I only meant the ones who believe in the Bin Laden /Bush connection" BTW that connection is real and the companies owned by them are now reaping big bucks from the war started by Bush/ Bin Laden , so maybe you should think before spouting so much rhetoric wether there IS any link between the so called "War on Terror" and the specific interests of a few powerful people.
If it smells as bad as it does you can bet theres something rotten.
I'm losing interest because there's no one responding to my arguments. There have been a handful of reasonable replies. Most though, like the one you just posted, are making undeveloped assertions and attacking gross mischaracterizations of my argument.
"well I only meant the ones who believe in the Bin Laden /Bush connection" shouldn't be in quotes because it's not something I ever said. It would seem you're either too high or too deeply steeped in denial to admit that it is reasonable to break down conspiracies into categories - whose credibility, depending on the class, is more or less subject to question.
"BTW" that connection is not real, and a prime example of the "I'm enlightened and know the real truth that everyone else doesn't know so doesn't that feel good for my ego" fantasy that you are living in.
You tell me "maybe I should think before..." without explaining what makes me appear to not have thought except that I completely disagree with you. You sound ridiculous. Then closing with what looked roughly like an attempt at wisdom.
There's no point in having a thread whose purpose is to exchange "Nuh uh" "Uh huh" "Nuh uh" "Uh huh" quips. Very little in substance, boring, and childish. If someone out there has something to add besides unsubstantiated assertions or sophisticated versions of "You're stupid because you disagree with me" I hope you will add it to the thread. If you're too baked to follow the conversation maybe it would be good if you found another thread. Although this is Cannabis.com, so... in light of that psychocat your comments have been well-constructed, thoughtful, cogent, and enlightening. By you saying "BTW the connection is real" you have really made me reconsider the world I am living in. With a statement like that, how could I not? BTW, the Care Bears are real too. GWB is a Care Bear, but you don't know it because he's a shape shifter. Bin Laden? Also a shapeshifting Care Bear. You've presented as much evidence to support both conclusions.
If Fahrenheit 911 impacted your understanding of politics, please let me know so I don't waste any keystrokes responding to you.
Typical !
You have to be completely blind not to see that the connection between the Bin Ladens and Bush family is as real as anything can be.
You talk but you don't seem to think before you do so.
You continue living with your head in the sand if you want but it doesn't change that the connection is there and has been for a long time.
Your carebears bullshit is simply an attempt to be facetious instead of simply sticking to my point of WAR is good for both the Bin Ladens and Bush because of thier vested interests in companies that supply the weapons among other things.
BTW I have no need to feel superior to anyone or better informed and I have made no such claim.
I really don't care what happens to the human race since I am actualy a bit of a sociopath who would much prefer anarchy to the bullshit system that now exists.
I'm skeptical of most conspiracy theories. The only one I have any real belief in is a conspiracy between Big Oil and the Auto industry.
Anyway, here are two good (and funny) reasons why a lot of conspiracies don't make sense (especially all the 9/11 ones out there):
Official Website for the Titanic truth movement.
and don't forget this one:
There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons.
Enough said.
Would you care to share the name of a book, any book, that you have ever read on the political philosophy of anarchy? In its real academic form, I think anarchy is actually a very benign political philosophy. In its real form, everything would be 100% privatized. Even defense. The word anarchy in the realm of political philosophy does not mean people running around setting everything on fire. The problem with implementation, like other political philosophies, is a practical one. It would depend upon universal adoption, which is unrealistic at best.
In the last election, between Bush, Cheney, Edwards, and Kerry, Bush was worth the least amount of money. He's worth about $13M. That's a lot of money, sure. As rich people go that's nothing. Where I used to live in Florida you couldn't buy a house in several neighborhoods for less than $15M. For all the charges of profiteering, where is all the money? Or I bet you have a few fantasies that answer that question too.