Ignorance can work in both directions, mate.
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Ignorance can work in both directions, mate.
Sources for those comments please.
you dont need fuckin sources, its all common sense. I mean come on did you really buy the excuse that the terrorists attacked because they were jealous of our freedom?????? WTF!!!!. how can anyone be okay with the idea of us going there in a preventive war, thats insane, we are starting the wars, we are going to places to look for weapons that WE sold them years ago, its fuckin nuts, come one people educate yourselfs, stop watching tv and read, because if you havent realized how badly the media is brainwashing you...well then i hope the rest of us can save you when the revolution begins.
Don't you guys think that an idiot (Bush) was purposely put in power to make the government look inept? Conspiracy 101: discredit conspiracy theorists by making yourself look incapable of such a complicated orchestration. Hurricane Katrina was probably also fumbled on purpose to reinforce the belief that the country in being run by a bunch of ineffectual buffoons.
Please tell me your fucking kidding...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian Devil
Excuse? What it sounded like was a statement to get the people hyped up in a state of nationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian Devil
whatever man when all the shit hits you on face (which will be soon) you will finally realize that what u believed to be a triangle because you were told it was, is really a square
then what were the reasons given as to why the terrorists attacked?Quote:
Excuse? What it sounded like was a statement to get the people hyped up in a state of nationalism.
Well fucking excuse me for asking for sources for some comments so I could make sure they weren't from some bullshit Alex Jones website. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian Devil
And why the fuck do you keep assuming that I'm some government believing fool?
Calm down now. This is the Internet, remember? :)
EbelEyes is right, though. 9/11 was used as a way to get people hyped up in a state of crazy nationalism. Unfortunately, I believe that 9/11 was used as a catalyst in turning this country into a fascist society. But I could be incorrect... time will tell. Hopefully Blackwater won't be a fascist paramilitary force designed to intimidate citizens into submission after they received that money from the government to expand its operations domestically.
I used to be a truther until I started looking into the things the videos always talked about at a much deeper level. One site that really helped me understand how ridiculous the conspiracy theory is was Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage.
The real conspiracy is that people are profiting off of a perpetual war whose pretense was one of the worst attacks on US soil ever.
Personally Im fed up with the fact anyone in the USA could accuse our very own president of being involved with the attacks of 9/11. No other country/government in the world would allow the people to freely accuse officials of this crime. This is a disgrace, our nation is full of turn coats. No one in Europe would dare accuse Tony Blair of being in this to help Bush execute his attack, very few really think the royal family had Di killed, but in the USA every problem here and abroad is all BUSHS fault! Well guess what, if I were president you all would have your tongues cut out if you talked bad about me or the way I handled things.
If I were a judge Id rule on first impressions not evidence, if I were a lawyer I would say you have a case even if you didnt, if I were a doctor I would say what the HMO wants me to say, if I were a newscaster I would ask people things I shouldnt on air, if I were a teacher I would go easy on my pet kids. So guess what there is the truth, you give a person power and they abuse it, but most arent dissected under a microscope like Bush has been, how can 7 years pass and no one find the smoking gun to prove Bush Lied? Maybe he had information that later proved to be wrong, I make those mistakes all the time. Oh yeah and I voted for BUSH and I would do it again today! I went out and voted to keep one guy from getting into office, not because I thought the one I was voting for was going to be a good president. So kiss my ass, Ill vote for the same reason again in 2008!
Wait now Im fuming, and my post above I was editing when I ran out of time.
Personally Im fed up with the fact anyone in the USA could accuse our very own president of being involved with the attacks of 9/11.
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No other country/government in the world would allow the people to freely accuse officials of this crime. This is a disgrace, our nation is full of turn coats. No one in Europe would dare accuse Tony Blair of being in this to help Bush execute his attack, very few really think the royal family had Di killed, but in the USA every problem here and abroad is all BUSHS fault! We all know he is behind Hurrican Katrina, him and mother nature planned it to wipe out the colored folks in the south right? I bought a house at the top of the market, people tell me its Bushs fault I am upside down and I got a adjustable loan- how is it his fault?. I quite smoking cigarettes so thats my contribution this year to the environment, I want a hummer just to piss off Al Gore not because I want to make Bush or the Saudis rich.
What you call lies I call intellegence reports, Bush never went out and looked for weapons in Iraq, he just looked at the information he had saying it was there. By the way you do it everyday, what you heard on the news today was reported 500 times and those reports are just as the information is made available, not as the information is verified and proven with evidence.
Honestly I am a good person but if I had the power here is just some examples of how I would use it-
If I were a judge Id rule on first impressions not evidence
if I were a lawyer I would say you have a case even if you didnt,
if I were a doctor I would say what the HMO wants me to say,
if I were a newscaster I would ask people things I shouldnt on air,
if I were a teacher I would go easy on my pet kids.
If I were the boss Id sexually harass the men who worked for me
With power comes criticsm, and you learn to tune out people who are never happy. Im sorry but Mike Carona, he is getting a raw deal too, he took over a dept that was crooked since its inception. Carona took over a problem and rolled with the punches since you cant make everyone happy.
Oh yeah and I voted for BUSH!!! The other dumbass party has a candiadate who sucked and his wife is rich because of her late republican husband who died before he had a chance to run for president. I think she wanted to be first lady more then Kerry wanted to be president. Im registered republican but I may change to keep Obama from winning the nomination. Got to love the fact this shit happens only in the USA. I dont like any of our popular candidates today, and I will use my vote to keep a person out of office again.
One more rant to get under some of your skins!
I hope Mike Carona is found innocent on all counts! I never got a break from him while he was sheriff, but I got some favors back when Brad Gates was Sheriff. They forget to mention the panel Heidl got on to get into the OCSD was from the Gates aera and Gates appointed Heidl when he was in office, they must have been laughing thier asses off when this court deputy suprised the state and was elected to sheriff beating out a high ranking deputy they say was supposed to win.
I believe the people are good inside, its the power we all know they have that makes us like or dislike them. How many of us can admit we are why these people get so untouchable, we dont like them but we would call them a friend and want favors. You may hate my honesty, and if thats the case I can be the most convincing kiss ass you ever met, youll think we are 2 peas in a pod. One thing is for sure, Ill tell you whats on my mind, its an opinion and I reserve the right to change it or keep it to myself.
Not even the X Files would touch your conspiracy theroy, Aliens must be easier to catch in the act.
Gun Smoking Memo
Operation Northwoods
No offense, but I really hope you're being sarcastic :(. And not about the Bush thing. In fact, I don't think it was directly Bush who did it. However, I think he is merely a pawn for those who did want to blow up the towers. Back to what I had originally planned on saying. I hope you're being sarcastic about your philosophies. It doesn't seem like those kind of philosophies would really solve anything as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfriday
Do you honestly think that we do not need conspiracy theorists? What ever happened to questioning authority? As a "free" society, shouldn't we be doing such a thing? How do we keep power from becoming biased towards the government if we do not question authority?
So are you saying because they're "officials" they're above the law? The administration lied to the American people plain and simple. With the power that was "given" to him comes with responsibility. It is fact that he went into war before he had all the intelligence. There were "NO" WMD's and just because they couldn't find them does not give them reason to go to war! How can you even try to justify going into a country, destroying it, destroying 1000's of peoples lives all on suspicion? Let alone sucking billions of the American peoples money to fund this war that everyone knows is about oil! This war has nothing to do with WMD's, or the attack on the twin towers. It is about oil and that's it! Now I understand that you care about no one except yourself, but you fail to understand that without others you would not be able to survive. Everything relies on something/someone else for ones survival it's the way the world is designed. BTW if we all lived in your so called society you would not be able to express your "opinion".Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfriday
thank god your not a judge, lawyer, doctor, teacher or a bossQuote:
If I were a judge Id rule on first impressions not evidence
if I were a lawyer I would say you have a case even if you didnt,
if I were a doctor I would say what the HMO wants me to say,
if I were a newscaster I would ask people things I shouldnt on air,
if I were a teacher I would go easy on my pet kids.
If I were the boss Id sexually harass the men who worked for me
judges who ignore evidence put innocents in prison
lawyers that take these ignorant cases is why noone seems to have any commonsense anymore
doctors who do what the hmo says are not honoring their oath
teachers who go easy on their pets inspire kiss asses
bosses who sexually harass, well thats immoral and illegal
well the newscaster i do agree with people should be asked the hard questions
i am also sick and tired of everytime some one says somthing negative about about bush, or the war, or anything that the gov't is involved in that we are called turn-coats, anti-american, un-patriotic. there is nothing more american or patriotic than questioning authority. now i am a liberal but i am not a far left liberal just leaning a little to the left. and i dont by into most of the conspiracy theories. as a matter of a fact i think most of them are wacked.
by the way i live in the south and i will squarly lay what happened in the after math of hurricane katrina on bushes shoulders but i will also say that it is not his fault alone. the whole ordeal was screwed up from the leval of the induvidual all the way up to the fed leval. and it is still bein screwed up today but not on a fed level. we still have people livin in fema trailers but in my opinion its because they are to lazy to get out. or just lookin for a hand out. my mom worked with the "victoms" she helped feed them. they had 2 of the best caters that you can get. hell i couldnt have afforded to hire them. these people bein given the help complained about the fact they were bein given a sandwich from one of these caters and not gettin steak. like i said im a liberal and i beleive in heping my fellow man but when i give you help and you complain cause it aint what you want well thats where my help ends. sorry about the rant.
back to subject. my dad is a conservative, you should here some of our arguments, he thinks everything is clintons fault. this is just as whacked as thinkin everything is bushes fault in my opinion. he absolutly refuses to accept the fact that clinton did do somegood things for our country, by the way i am in no way sayin he was a great man, but he says verybad hing that has happene since bush took over was beause clinton had everything so screwe up. clinton did do some screwed up things just as bush has done some, clinton has done some good things again just as bush has. but just because i dont agree with bush , i question my gov't, i beleive in freedom and truth. i am not a traiter r a turn-coat or a subversive. i do not hate bush, i wish him only happiness and prosperity.
again sorry about the rant
I love reading this things, you guys provide so much entertainment. So, by killing tons of our civilians, starting a war with Iraq (for "oil", which we have off our coast and in Alaska...oh and we get it from more places besides the mideast...) and Afghanistan...what was accomplished? Patriot Act? Fine, you can have that (and let me know how it affected you personally) I'll give it to you, but what else?
So we got:
-A war in the mid-east
-Patriot Act
So how was that HUGE conspiracy worth it? So now we're spending a ton of money on a war. What have we gained from it so far? NOTHING. Even if we did get oil, we spent more money on the war then any oil we received.
Again, motive?
war for oil. it has nothing to do with actually getting oil but getting money. let me first say im not blaming this solely on bush but.... when bush took office the price of oile was just a little over $20 a barral last time i checked the price of oil was over $100 thats almost 5 times what it was 7 years ago. i would love to have a job that i could at least quadrupel my income in 7 years would you? so the saying war for oil maybe would be more correct if it were war for oil prices
i have no doubt in my mind the invasion of iraq had absolutly nothing to do with terrorist, wmd, or freeing the iraqi people. im not goin to say i deffinatly beleive it was for oil but i do know that we as americans have been lied to for way to long, and it did not start with bush.
So do debunked loose change videos. Luvfriday still makes a good point about no other country would allow people to speak down about their government. These people appreciate the country they live in giving them these liberties but then doubt the countries government. Just recently, a journalist in Afghanistan was sentenced to death for reading about womens rights on the internet, and here all of you are still living.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slamburgler
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I saw that, scary isnt it!?Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Cheer up IluvFriday our fathers intended us to question the government, it's part of the constitution homes.
Thats the great thing about democracy, the government is criticised and will continue to be, and maybe good things will come of it.
As for those who do not keep an open mind either for or against, you cannot enlighten someone who has already made their decision :-)
Peace,
Denial
So for me to be enlightened, I should never make a decision? I don't know about you, but indecisiveness pisses me off. Zohar hit the nail on the head; what did the conspirators gain from the war? A lousy Patriot Act? Awesome.... I think Psycho4Bud was correct; Occam's Razor solves this debate.
Conspiracy theorists are the worst, spiraling deeper in their dementia as their fear and paranoia bury them. The only thing I hate more than them are religious zealots. Question the government, but with an eye of discretion. Quit clinging to small little scraps of "proof" in matters of science and physics and engineering that you simply don't understand.
But if you want to theorize, how bout this: Clinton was in on the whole tham ding because he allowed Osama to live. Maybe Bush is the mastermind behind it all. Wait, he's a moron, his accounts of stupidity have been more documented than Homer Simpson's. But would that not be the perfect for a mastermind in the most powerful seat in the world? If it was me, conspiring against the world, I don't think I could do a better job. Kudos, Bush, for pulling the wool over eyes so brilliantly.
Quit researching online and go on a hike and smoke a doob. Fuck it, the world as we know will end in 2012, so prepare for the worst and get your kicks in before the whole shithouse comes down.
Please, there really is a difference between indecisiveness, and acting before evaluating the data. It is like catching a bus, if you are too quick to jump at the opportunity of catching it, you might find that you got on the wrong bus, or worse, heading the wrong way, end up losing money, and possibly stranded.Quote:
Originally Posted by CultureCherryPopper
When I said you cannot enlighten someone who has already made their decision it means you cannot convince someone who refuses to evaluate new data.
There is a difference, honestly,
As for other points made, well, there are some strong arguments!
History is written by the victors. - Winston Churchill (that england guy)
Peace,
Denial
Alright, now we're on the same page. I try and see every side, so much that it is frustrating when I try and make up my mind. Being a Libra, I can't help being indecisive every now and then, especially the dreaded choice of restaurants, but it still pisses me off. And good quote by "that English guy". Man was a drunk but he had a way with words.
wow this thread is full of farce ideas and failed logic.
just remember people- we are all on a forum for marijuana, a drug in which the government wants to keep illegal, and spread FLAT OUT LIES to keep it that way.
then you chronies all jump on the bandwagon and defend the US because "the government would never do that to its own people!"
wake up, the government doesnt give a fuck about you, your a god damn number ($$) to them. I am not saying that the US flat out planned and carried out the attacks, but lets face it, the "official" story of what happened, is 99% pure bullshit