ive seen some crazy shit in my dreams and not been able to figure it out and then like 3 years later i will be in the situation and realize it.. scary as fuck
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ive seen some crazy shit in my dreams and not been able to figure it out and then like 3 years later i will be in the situation and realize it.. scary as fuck
"I think you misunderstood what I meant by that quote.
What I was saying was that you cannot impose your beliefs upon someone else based upon your own experiences. "
I kinda had a feeling that's what you meant. But the topic is something of a touchy situation, especially for me. Actually I've always been completely facinated with the paranormal, and anything to do with it perks up my ears. But time after time whenever I apply real scrutiny to the situation or event, there's always a lot of holes in the real facts, or there's a conman behind it trying to pull a fast one.
You see people being taken in and ripped off, or literally dieing because someone has sold them a line of bull. Just turn on the TV and watch John Edwards work a crowd of amazed believers as he cons them from a very personal and sensitive advantage point--the loss of someone they loved. To me that is one of the most obscenely unethical acts someone could commit.
History and events have proven its very dangerous to let your guard down where mysticism is concerned. So I'm quick to throw up the caution flags when I hear someone overly willing to accept the supernatural without question.
Still, I'm all ears myself and am always looking for that one shred of real evidence that something unknown could be at work. :)
http://skepdic.com/dreams.html
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The prophetic or clairvoyant dream is perhaps the strongest reason for believing that dreaming is a gateway to another world. Some dreams seem uncanny. They seem to foretell events. If a significant number of dreams of just a single person corresponded to future events, this would be a great benefit to humankind and we should try to find out what mechanism is at work here. However, no such person has yet been found. Individual dreams that occasionally seem clairvoyant provide very weak evidence for clairvoyant dreams. I once had a very vivid dream of an airplane crashing nose first in San Diego (where I lived for 20 years). About ten years after the dream an airliner went down in San Diego. Am I clairvoyant? Would the case be stronger for clairvoyance if the airliner went down the day after I had my dream? I don't think so.
While it is admitted by most parapsychologists that some amount of coincidence is to be expected between what a person dreams and what actually happens, it is argued that there are too many cases of seemingly prophetic dreams to reasonably explain them all away as due to coincidence. It is true that not all prophetic dreams can be explained away as being due to coincidence. Most of them probably should be so understood, but many of them may be explained away as due to filling in memories of dreams after the facts and many others should be explained away as cases of lying. But the vast majority of prophetic dreams are probably coincidences. Such dreams are impressive to those who lack understanding of the law of truly large numbers, confirmation bias, and how memory works. If the odds are a million to one that any given dream is truly prophetic, then, given the number of people on earth and the average number of dreams people have during each sleep period (250 dream themes a night, according to Hines, p. 50), we should expect that every single day of our lives there will be more than 1.5 million dreams that seem clairvoyant. That is not including all the dreams had by cats, dogs and other animals, who may well be having apparently psychic experiences while they sleep, though to what purpose we can only guess. Furthermore, one would think that if dreaming were a gateway to the paranormal or supernatural, blind persons would not have their dream time restricted by their physical limitations any more than those with sight. Yet, people blind from birth do not have visual dreams.
I'm not saying you have to believe like I do. I'm saying I think you should, because I happen to think my opinion is correct (that's what makes it my opinion after all).
The future hasn't manifested yet so it lies within an infinite sea of potential, which your mind pulls from to manifest conscious awareness which we call the present. If one was aware enough of the process of being aware and manifesting their future out of the potential of all that hasn't been manifested yet, they could easily look into the potential, see what they'd like to pull, and then pull it.
It's not "looking into the future", it's creating it, the same way we always do it, only this time we had a little more insight through a connection with our subconscious. Dreams or altered states can be this connection.
Close, but Im talking of premonitions of specifics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ate
As a smll child I began to be aware of events that were ocurring that I had dreamt about. SOmetimes the previous day, sometimes weeks , months ago. I wasnt sure what to make of it so I assumed everyone did this. When I got a little older and began to learn that in general society does not accept these things and that people who claim to have these experiences are crazy I decided to test it out. I started to journal all of my dreams, every single day. And I also began to tell my best friend about things I suspected would happen based on my dreams.
These events started to happen and the fact that I had foreseen them was reflected in my journals and in the conversations i had with my friend.
Im not talking about just personal things within my control. Im talking about seemingly insignifigant events involving other people as well. I would watch someting happen write it down then watch it again when it happened when i was awake. I didnt control these dreams nor did I know for certain when something was a premonition. And these did not happen daily.
There have been some events in my life that I have felt that dejavu feeling over and been able to look back into those dusty old journals and find I had a premonition of it years prior.
These events continue to happen and serve to show me I am right on track in my life. I am following my path that seems laid out before me.
This is not something that is always easily understood or accepted but how can I personally deny it in the face of so much PROOF.
I dont know why this happens to some and others are not aware.
But I dont doubt it. Dreams have always been a place where things happen for me. I have come to view them as sacred. They are my connection to something beyond my understanding. Amazing things happen when my head hits the pillow. And I recieve my guidance there.
I have discussed some of these things in other threads.
All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real.
We are surrounded by a great mystery.
peace.
"All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real."
But if you keep diaries you do have proof, don't you? Sorry for being skeptical. I'm sure you have no doubt, but it seems to me if someone could do it at all, even just a little, they would be the richest and most powerful person in the world. Think about it...just one word from the future at the right time...say it's 1980....buy Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon, Walmart....just as an example.
Then there is the dilema of free will. If someone can dream the future, that means every single event is already predestined. That means I have absolutely no choice typing what I'm typing right now, and whoever reads it has no choice but to do so.
To be open to that possibility is going to take some damn strong evidence because it's such an extraordinary claim. If it were happening to me I would still be skeptical myself, until it was making me rich in the stock market, or I was preventing 9/11.
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
Yes but my proof is only relevant to me and those it concerns personally.
My journals wouldnt be of use to anyone who didnt have intimate knowledge of the things they reveal.
Yes it would be nice to be able to pick what I see and when. Hell Id be winning every lottery out there :) But as it is ,it is not even useful for a free beer at a bar. I have no conscious control and have no real idea that I even had a premonition until after it has happened.
And like I said, they all involve me except for one clear one that I knew was signifigant.
Many people foretold of 911 and the following war. All who chose to speak up were ignored of course. Hell even govt intelligence documents predicting that one were ignored but thats beside the point.
Regarding free will: I dont think this challenges free will. I had a struggle with that one myself but not anymore. I believe we all have free will to follow our paths or not to follow our paths. If we follow them we can see these things manifested. If we choose to not follow them then we will not and premonitions are useless.
I make most of my important decisions in life with the guidance I recieve in my meditations, dreams and ceremonies I participate in. That , and following my inner voice. So naturally I see more of these sign posts on my path that tell me I am on track. Its like a confirmation that I am on my true path.
Most people ignore their inner voice, and dont seek guidance from the places I do so their perspectives and experiences are different.
Most people dont even remember their dreams.
I remember mine because I actively participate in them. They are ohh soo important to me.
So what I am saying is that if you dont seek guidance in dreams etc. you are not open to experiencing or remembering or understanding it when it happens. And if you dont have this, you have nothing to compare your experiences against to see if you witnessed it already.
And, lets face it most people dont walk a sacred or natural path anymore anyhow. If you stray from your sacred path you wont see the signs along the way that are upon it.
There lay free will.
peace.
about 3 years before 9/11, i saw a commercial where a wrecking ball destroys a building. that night i had a nightmare that the twin towers were being destroyed... probly just a coincidence, but when i heard the twin towers had fallen on 9/11, it instantly made sense somehow because of that dream.
You're surrounded by your higher self which can sometimes send you messages. Talk to the energy (i can't say "it" because it's not a thing, and it's definately not human) if you want to know about what's happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyMonkey
If you have no idea what I mean, then just ask. It's your higher self.