Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
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Originally Posted by Shelbay
First of all your attempt at humor with your pic about religion is so disgusting...and I really expected better than a one liner like that one from you so apparently you are not as intelligent as I believed....I know there is a God and that is my belief but I don't bash non believers so why don't you lay off the anti-religion where it does not belong and see if you can volunteer for the next baby that is not good enough to live and maybe you could actually help kill the baby...now that should put you in a good mood. One thing about it...if I am wrong in my beliefs..I am still okay..what if you are wrong? Guess you have the know all answer to that one also huh? For the most part you just seem to think you are superior...not.:thumbsup: Your trying to make christians out to be the sort that enjoy seeing suffering and you are wrong..very wrong..this was about euthanizing a baby not religion so take it to the Spirituality board and we can debate this more if your up to it.:thumbsup:
Yeah, that's just what I need. A debate with theists - people that consider a cross, an instrument of torture and death, as a symbol of "goodness" - because it supposedly saves them from burning forever. I cannot "debate" this type of thing with believers - either you think that it's true, or you don't. I don't. Even after I realized that it was not true, a long time ago, I kept myself open to various reasons why religion MIGHT be good for humanity. So far, there??s not much in favor of that.
The object of your faith, as described by the bible, is a bloody, vindictive, demented monster that is far worse than any human being that ever lived. Fortunately, all things ??spiritual? are superstition. Unfortunately, people believe in them, and some are willing to kill in the name of this lunacy.
There is no doubt in my mind that some of the Dutch medical professionals that favor the laws for infant euthanasia are religious, but they have humanity and compassion. Hopefully, we??ll have these practices legal in the U.S. eventually.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
I find the post-pardum abortion murder. I also believe that life begins at conception, that's my opinion. I find abortion disgusting and cruel but I don't think it should be made illegal. I do believe that abortions after 6 months should be illegal and that there needs to be way more guidelines surrounding abortion.
I believe in God. However I do not think that God has one way for a person to live and that he accepts everyone for who they are. A person dosen't have to attend church every weekend to be saved. Just have love and faith in your heart and you will be o.k.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
Hey, I am pro-death all the way, abortions and death pentaly, but I would have to draw a line here. The baby is already born. Breathing, eating, crying, shitting, etc. People are treating the child as some old dog they don't want to have anymore. This is fucking disturbing.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
I find the post-pardum abortion murder. I also believe that life begins at conception, that's my opinion. I find abortion disgusting and cruel but I don't think it should be made illegal. I do believe that abortions after 6 months should be illegal and that there needs to be way more guidelines surrounding abortion. I believe in God. However I do not think that God has one way for a person to live and that he accepts everyone for who they are. A person dosen't have to attend church every weekend to be saved. Just have love and faith in your heart and you will be o.k.
That's very nice - your opinion of who is supposed to get "saved". Count me out. I don't want to spend eternity with slaves to a retarded middle eastern god that should have been put out our mentalities thousands of years ago.
The historical belief in this deity, the "god" of the three big monotheistic religions, is due to, dishonesty, fraud, atrocities, superstition and denial of logic. It does not make sense to keep a body that is brain dead alive, but having faith in the mistakes of religion makes it simple to oppose the obvious solution - especially when the child is not yours. The decision to euthanize a profoundly disabled child should be the decision of the parents and their healthcare practicioner, and this decision must be protected by the law.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Yeah, that's just what I need. A debate with theists - people that consider a cross, an instrument of torture and death, as a symbol of "goodness" - because it supposedly saves them from burning forever. I cannot "debate" this type of thing with believers - either you think that it's true, or you don't. I don't. Even after I realized that it was not true, a long time ago, I kept myself open to various reasons why religion MIGHT be good for humanity. So far, there??s not much in favor of that.
The object of your faith, as described by the bible, is a bloody, vindictive, demented monster that is far worse than any human being that ever lived. Fortunately, all things ??spiritual? are superstition. Unfortunately, people believe in them, and some are willing to kill in the name of this lunacy.
There is no doubt in my mind that some of the Dutch medical professionals that favor the laws for infant euthanasia are religious, but they have humanity and compassion. Hopefully, we??ll have these practices legal in the U.S. eventually.
Thought so...not up to a debate tonight or taking the easy way out of your nonsense and lies on christians?...and you are a liar...you are still posting here about religion...and sorry...U.S. will never kill babies that aren't perfect all in the name of compassion and stop playing that emotional card...you guys are killing babies..plain and simple..and your pics... still disgusting..your nasty.If Dr's want humanity and compassion..stop killing babies and legalize MJ everywhere...
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...ge=smoker_24_1
Council For Secular Humanism webste
On Advocating Infant Euthanasia
by Barbara Smoker
The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 24, Number 1, Dec. '03-Jan'04.
Most secular humanists advocate the legalization of voluntary euthanasia or assisted suicide for those with incurable medical conditions that are, to themselves, intolerable.
More contentious is euthanasia for seriously defective newborn babies??because it cannot, of course, be voluntary. However, though a baby naturally arouses warm, protective feelings in us, I feel strongly that it is cruel, and therefore immoral, to preserve a baby's life when there are such severe handicaps that chances of happiness are manifestly low. For life can, of course, be far worse than death.
In a sense, the euthanasia of a newborn baby is a very late abortion??and, when severe defects have unfortunately not been diagnosed until the baby is actually born, why should the child be forced to endure an intolerable life until he or she is old enough to choose suicide or until natural death finally brings relief?
The situation immediately after birth is not the same as that of an older child becoming severely disabled, perhaps through illness or accident: whereas a newborn baby has very limited awareness, no idea of any future, and no real stake in life, an older child has become a real little person, with personal relationships, a sense of his or her own identity, and an idea of purpose??the very things that give human beings human rights and status.
Parents or doctors, or other responsible people, naturally have to make every decision on behalf of a newborn baby; but it is often said that a decision for something as crucial as euthanasia should be postponed until the child is old enough to decide for himself or herself. I disagree: the decision to postpone euthanasia is itself a crucial decision on behalf of the child. In fact, it is a decision to condemn him or her to, say, eighteen years of extreme suffering.
In practice, it is usual in Britain (and probably in the United States and other civilized countries) for doctors to instruct nurses to starve seriously defective neonates to death??giving them only water, not milk. This is certainly better than keeping them alive-but not as merciful as a quick, lethal injection, if only the law allowed it. Starvation may take about ten days, and though the babies themselves, being sedated, are unlikely to suffer much, their parents and nurses certainly do.
And what of the duty to society? In most cases the parents of a neonate who dies could produce a perfectly healthy baby in a year's time, and, since we now have a social duty to limit our families, it is only sensible to limit them to those with a reasonable prospect of a normal human life.
I am no stranger to obloquy for my campaigns on various social issues over the years, but it has been my advocacy of the legalization of infant euthanasia, both in print and on television, that has attracted the fiercest and most sustained hatred. Not least from schoolchildren: when a debating book, Whose Side Are You On?, was compiled for use in British schools, with signed articles on opposing sides of each controversial issue, I was the only writer the compiler could find who was willing to contribute an article advocating infant euthanasia.
Many medical practitioners are in agreement with me, of course, on this issue but they shy away from saying so in public, especially to a young audience. Understandably so, as their professional reputations could hardly survive the description "baby-killer" or "child-murderer" often leveled at me??whereas I have little to lose, so long as the hate attacks remain verbal.
Barbara Smoker is a former president of Britain's National Secular Society. She is spearheading a campaign to have nonreligious speakers appear on the BBC's "Thought for the Day" segment of the morning news.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
One main problem is that the person most effected by this decision has no say in the decision making process.
I agree that it sets a very dangerous precedent. Comparing it to the Nazi's is quite accurate, when considering their search for the perfect race and their medical "experiments".
I know a few people that had severely handicapped kids and they wouldn't trade them for anything.
Of course, here in the states we have about 1 million abortions a year. 1% rape victims (rape very rarely ends in pregnancy which helps with the low number) and only 6% due to health concerns (mother or baby). All very sad.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
Listen this is a sticky situation were the baby had an incurable disease,now i'm not saying put people down because they have a medical problem but what if there is no cure.It is sad that the baby is gone and i'm sure the parents arn't you know having a party or anything it must of been a hard decision to make and i'm sure no one would want to be in that postion where they choose life or death.it's would be a terrible position to be in.:sadcrying
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
You guys make it sound like they're just walking into the hospital nursery with a few sawed-off shotguns and are just choosing which baby isn't perfect and blowing their head off.
This is rediculous.
Understand that the child may not even have brain activity, ie; a vegetable.
Cool. We're wasting resources on basically keeping a carcass alive.
This is referring most to children who are constantly hooked up to a machine as the only means of living.
Once again, do not even compare Nazi-ism to Euthanasia. How can you compare a slave camp in which mass murders take place without consent from ONE higher power, to a place which tries to keep them alive from the brink of death or constant pain and in some severe cases will assist them in an unpainful death after a thought out process of keeping them alive?
It's not throwing garbage out. There's planning, medication at stake, bills, there's so much more that goes into this.
Shelbay- Wow. "One thing about it...if I am wrong in my beliefs..I am still okay..what if you are wrong?"
That right there tells me your main reason for practicing any sort of religion would be because you don't know what to believe in. That phrase basically states to me, that one of the reasons you're practicing period is because you're afraid that if you're wrong you're going to hell.
You want to make sure that you can be taken care of in the afterlife if there is an afterlife, and you're not even sure of it yourself.
A true follower wouldn't even make such a statement. "If I'm wrong, then nothing.. but if I'm right, OH IF I'M RIGHT!.. I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell. Neener Neener Neener.
Thanks.
Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia
Grim Reefer...This is Nazism....said it again. Grim Reefer haven't you learned by now you can no more stop what comes out of my mouth than I can yours...so don't tell me what to do because then I will make it a point to do exactly that...got it. Your comparing a baby to a "carcass" is sick and disgusting....as far as your comments on my beliefs...you don't matter..I know I am a true believer...dosen't make me perfect but I believe in my God and have no worries about what you think of me grim reefer. Tell you what...have some fun this weekend..see if you can volunteer to "peacefully" put some not perfect babies down. Your despicable the way you try to excuse the fact that babies that are not perfect are being being peacefully put down...doesn't matter how you try to pretty it up ..no matter what method is used it is a despicable NAZI practice.....anything else? eliminated..murdered...NAZISM...
