Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

[amsterdam]

This is terrible, this is what Nazi like means. To some people human life means nothing. Think of it as Post-Partum Abortion, except it gets to happen 7 months after the baby is born. I spoke with my cousin in Amsterdam and they are horrified.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...069963,00.html

amsterdam Reviewed by amsterdam on 03-08-2006. Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia This is terrible, this is what Nazi like means. To some people human life means nothing. Think of it as Post-Partum Abortion, except it gets to happen 7 months after the baby is born. I spoke with my cousin in Amsterdam and they are horrified. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2069963,00.html Rating: 5

[Torog]

This is terrible, this is what Nazi like means. To some people human life means nothing. Think of it as Post-Partum Abortion, except it gets to happen 7 months after the baby is born. I spoke with my cousin in Amsterdam and they are horrified.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...069963,00.html

Howdy amsterdam,

I just don't know what to think anymore,when it comes to us deciding when a person should die,on the face of it,it seems humane to end pain and suffering,but that can quickly escalte into a slippery-slope of application.

I've been in chronic pain for over 16 years,but the sweetness of Life,precludes me from even considering such a thing as euthanasia..despite my pain-I'm dang glad to be here and there's still much that I want to experience and learn from..what if that decision to live,despite the pain-is taken away from me ? What if society says that my life is not worth living ?

There are many valuable,spiritual lessons to be learned from suffering and pain,as well as for those close to the one in pain..as well as practical lessons too-like pre-screening for possible birth defects and natal and post-natal diseases.

Your friends are right..to be horrified,as this could morph into something else,entirely.

Have a good one !:stoned:

[Shelbay]

Holland? This is true? I think its terrible! They play the emotional card and I am so sorry for any baby that suffers but it's like saying they want a PERFECT society? That is creepy imo...if your not perfect then you are put down..sentenced to death? That is what this is saying right? I have volunteered with crack,meth babies and its horrific..makes me detest the women that did it to them..but over time even with the long term disabilities they are so special! I couldn't do that to a human..a baby especially....I can't even think about the animals put down here without crying...guess that is where my woman emotion comes in..I don't think that is morally right...darn..I need to go to another thread..I can't think about that today.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The is absolutely no need to have force a child to live with profound disabilities, extreme, chronic pain, or other incurable horrible conditions. I don't give a fuck how much grown adults' backs hurt or how many years they suffered with it - it' not right to force our stupid ancient middle-eastern Judeo-Christian (or other) "suffering is good" morality, and other idiotic so-called values, on innocent children that have no hope. Doctors, with the pemission of parents, have been doing it all along - this is just a way of taking away the ability of individuals and organizations (usually religous) that would like to prevent this procedure.

This is not the first time this has been in the press, and here's an article from 2004:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...635477,00.html
"It is in the interest of new-borns who have to endure unbearable suffering that we draw up a nationwide protocol that allows each paediatrician to treat this delicate question with due care," said Verhagen.
The protocol would concern only about 600 infants in the world - and between 10 and 15 in The Netherlands - who are born for example without a brain, or with malformations that would require countless operations simply to achieve a temporary result that would not even relieve the child's suffering.
"These operations would not ease the pain. Moreover, the child would suffer such unbearable pain that it has to be constantly anaesthetized," said Verhagen.
The announcement re-opens the controversial question of euthanasia, which has been legal in The Netherlands since April 1 2002 for people aged 16 and above.
Groningen university hospital, with the agreement with the Dutch legal authorities, has already drawn up a document setting out the circumstances in which euthanasia of new-born babies could be justified.
The disease must be incurable and impossible to relieve using medicines or surgery, parents must give their consent, the child must have no prospects of a future and the act of euthanasia must be carried out with meticulous care

[Myth1184]

i think people from Holand been smoking too much

[Shelbay]

The is absolutely no need to have force a child to live with profound disabilities, extreme, chronic pain, or other incurable horrible conditions. I don't give a fuck how much grown adults' backs hurt or how many years they suffered with it - it' not right to force our stupid ancient middle-eastern Judeo-Christian (or other) "suffering is good" morality, and other idiotic so-called values, on innocent children that have no hope. Doctors, with the pemission of parents, have been doing it all along - this is just a way of taking away the ability of individuals and organizations (usually religous) that would like to prevent this procedure.

This is not the first time this has been in the press, and here's an article from 2004:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...635477,00.html
"It is in the interest of new-borns who have to endure unbearable suffering that we draw up a nationwide protocol that allows each paediatrician to treat this delicate question with due care," said Verhagen.
The protocol would concern only about 600 infants in the world - and between 10 and 15 in The Netherlands - who are born for example without a brain, or with malformations that would require countless operations simply to achieve a temporary result that would not even relieve the child's suffering.
"These operations would not ease the pain. Moreover, the child would suffer such unbearable pain that it has to be constantly anaesthetized," said Verhagen.
The announcement re-opens the controversial question of euthanasia, which has been legal in The Netherlands since April 1 2002 for people aged 16 and above.
Groningen university hospital, with the agreement with the Dutch legal authorities, has already drawn up a document setting out the circumstances in which euthanasia of new-born babies could be justified.
The disease must be incurable and impossible to relieve using medicines or surgery, parents must give their consent, the child must have no prospects of a future and the act of euthanasia must be carried out with meticulous care

There is NO need to put a baby down! You got your opinion and I have mine! This is inhumane and NAZI like! There is always hope! Just like putting Terry Schiavo through what she did..how do you or anyone knows when a change can happen?? You don't! And it's sickening and just evil to euthanize a baby!! that has no say...And I do give a F**k about Adults with pain even if you don't..now that is my opinion....who are you? Or the people making these decisions?? God? I don't think so! And you want to call religion stupid?? Your the know it all that can be stupid! Maybe we can start euthanizing stupid people!

[Breukelen advocaat]

.......Maybe we can start euthanizing stupid people!

You'd be the first to go! :thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

You really, REALLY need to stop comparing euthanasia to Nazi-ism as it's not only bugging the hell out of me but they are simply incomparable.

If you want to waste resources on a baby who will never recieve more than temporary fixes simply to make it's life tolerable, fine.

But it doesn't make any sense.

[FLORIDA MON]

Where do you draw the line?

This seems to set a very dangerous precedent.

I'm sure that Stephen Hawking, Jim Abbott and Stevie Wonder (et al...) might have something to say about this.

[Shelbay]

You'd be the first to go! :thumbsup:

First of all your attempt at humor with your pic about religion is so disgusting...and I really expected better than a one liner like that one from you so apparently you are not as intelligent as I believed....I know there is a God and that is my belief but I don't bash non believers so why don't you lay off the anti-religion where it does not belong and see if you can volunteer for the next baby that is not good enough to live and maybe you could actually help kill the baby...now that should put you in a good mood. One thing about it...if I am wrong in my beliefs..I am still okay..what if you are wrong? Guess you have the know all answer to that one also huh? For the most part you just seem to think you are superior...not.:thumbsup: Your trying to make christians out to be the sort that enjoy seeing suffering and you are wrong..very wrong..this was about euthanizing a baby not religion so take it to the Spirituality board and we can debate this more if your up to it.:thumbsup: