Under god...

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Void,

I think that Michael Newdow,is a scurrilous,secular humanist,berift of character and a parasite of America's many blessings..he takes from his country-but gives nothing back..typical behaviour of the lowest form of liberal.

Children need to learn early on,that saying the pledge of allegiance,is a pledge to give back to the country that they live in and which has unique freedoms that no other country has or ever had. I believe that every citizen of America,should strive to be a citizen/soldier and that our blessings are derived from God. Freedom ain't free..and we must be eternally vigilant.

Have a good one ...

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Torog, how can you use 'humanist' as an insult? If anything, that's one of the biggest compliments. A humanist is someone who puts human beings first, who believes in the potential of human power, and believes that humans are inherently good.

How is that a bad thing? :confused:

BTW, secular humanist is redundant....

The under god should be stricken or least optional but i don't care becuase i don't have to say it anyways

This whole mess started years ago because schools were FORCING kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance against their will. A lot of the more vocal parents have been out west but I live in the south and Pledge time was always taken pretty seriously by my teachers.

If a parent or a student has a reason to avoid the pledge or the two words I don't see why it should be anyone's business. If it's just some droning mantra we're going to force our citizens to recite every morning I think it kind of loses it's meaning. We can show respect to our country and countrymen without kicking dirt all over the principals this country was founded upon.

Patriotism. The flag. The pledge. These are all a RESULT of those principals, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Void

So what do you guys think about the character trying to take Under God out of the pledge? I don't know if it effects any of you seeing as half might not go to school and are expected to say it every morning...what about your kids though?

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if there is a God, it is not possible to take him/her out of anything.
to believe in one, then it is with this in your heart that you speak at all.


to demand a child say a thing over and over, is called brainwashing.

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

beautiful but even your children don't believe it, no matter how many times you make them say it.
you teach them a truth early, it is the rich white guy that gets the liberty to buy his justice.

the framers of the constitution were all rich white guys, and the beautiful part of it was they had to steal the idea from the natives tree of peace agreement.