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Lookin' at the sprouts, noticing' the internode distance, I'm moved to ask.
Is that much stretch strain related, or might they benefit from more blue, or just more light?
Ain't no strain fault. Rez gear is absolutely top notch. It's all on me, and probably light related as you say. A lot going on in Pranskstr Manor. ;)
Should be ok in the long run. These are destined to be cloned and manipulated so the seed plant is just going to be one of many. Males will not be destroyed but contained and the pollen collected as well as keeping the "fathers" alive. If you fancy anything from the gene bank, just speak up, ok? Could you tell strawberry is my favorite fruit?
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An' I guess 'Shake didn't see me glom yer lighter.
Sorry, I no steal.
It's a sticky finger kine Gecko t'ing
Here, have a couple of mine.
I seem to have a pocket full.
Me needum majik fire stick only to speak to ancestors.
You are certainly welcome to share it, Bro!
Catch you on the rebound,
M.P.
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"Could you tell strawberry is my favorite fruit?"
No! No kiddin'?
Mine's Mango.
What's yer favorite berry?:D
Ba dump bump!
Y'all come back, we're here all week.
Weeze
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Ya got me there, Weeze ...
Remember, please tip the wait staff!
M.P.
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got my bong and jar full o' budz and plenty of flame~ready for the show!:smokin:
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Thanks for bringing the flame, too. :thumbsup:
M.P.
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Originally posted by Weezard
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Lookin' at the sprouts, noticing' the internode distance, I'm moved to ask.
Is that much stretch strain related, or might they benefit from more blue, or just more light?
Sometimes I answer too abruptly, me thinks.
Your question has been burning a hole in my sub-conscience and now must be addressed. The truth of the matter is that on my outdoor grows, I always have neatly stacked plants from the first node up. I cannot manage to do that indoors, however. My indoor seedlings always have a stretch between the root and the codyleton (sp?) but start to stack up much closer from that point up. I usually just bury the plant deeper when I transplant to 6" pots, but you are quite right, it just ain't right.
The light at the medium surface reads over 3k lux. That should be enough quantity, right? More blue?
The coco is moist but not wet, and the main stem is stiff and strong... There's a brisk breeze strengthening them and facilitating air movement. There's plenty of fresh air, the temps vary from 72 at night to 78-79 at peak temps. Relative humidity is low, around 20%... I'm feeding 1/4 strength nutes at ph of 5.8
Yet I have this recurring problem.
Anyone have any comments or ideas?
M.P.
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"The light at the medium surface reads over 3k lux. That should be enough quantity, right? More blue?"
Well, lets think on it.
As I understand it, the seedlings first job is pushing down a tap root and finding enough quality light for future success.
There's much more blue in the mix at noon, so plants seek blue.
That's what makes them grow straight up, they seek, not just blue, but the blue-est.
So, if the first light they see is too red, they feel "shadowed", and they stretch to compete with the shaders, (Rocks, grass, leaf litter, others. etc.)
Once they suck the cotyledons dry in their quest, they are done, If they haven't found enough light by then, they die.
I'd supplement with some blue for a better bud to stem ratio.
And squatter plants for an indoor grow.
Mind you, this is all theory on my part.
The early stretch just might produce more weight as an adult.
Ah dunno fo'sho'.
Would have to do too many side by sides to prove it properly.
With any luck, somebody already has done.
Prolly worth some searching.
But, I hope no one's waiting for me to get to googling.
I no longer stress about squeezing out a few more grams.:rastasmoke:
Alas, all my research time is taken up with medical issues lately.
A real easy 'speriment would be to add some blue supplement.
Could just use a filter to block some of the red.
Then lower the light to make up for the loss of red photons and increase the blue intensity.
1/2 the distance, 4X the power.
Just a thought or two.
You no got to change a thing.
Bottom line?
Your end results are not shabby.
Aloha,
Da Wee zard
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Weeze, no worries!
I am happy with my output and quality, but that's one sticking point in a LONG time of growing. It's funny how we learn to compensate. A natural work-around.
That's not what this grow is all about, but since you pointed it out, if you did have a solution, I would hate to turn it down.
This grow has three goals.
1) Priority one - get some good mothers
2) Priority two - satisfy a personal question as to whether or not boutique seeds are worth the extra $$$.
3) Low Priority - Do some amateur pollen chucking for possible future seeds
I was gonna type up a real pretty prologue, but here's the Reader's Digest version: Out of the 4 varieties I grew last cycle the free seed (Dinafem Blueberry Hash). It may not be the most potent, but it was real nice and hand an excellent taste. I am still kicking myself for not cloning and reproducing her.
So I have a cache of good free seeds and of good boutique seeds (not just Rez seeds) and am gonna try to have fair one to one competitions. Since some of the free sees are feminized and all the boutiques are not, I think I'm gonna have to provide at least 4:1 ration just in case I have a bunch of males.
Mrs P wants me to make some seeds for our own future use (we'll see if we can pull it off in the area I can get in the house.
Thanks for your reply, Bro!
M.P.
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hey, M.P., i agree with the 'zard. keep your light right on top of the plants if you can. i think 24" away is a bit far (if they infact still reside at this distance), especially for LEDs (although i have no first hand LED experience mind you). just my $.02, of course.
also, if you make some crosses don't be shy. shake likes coins, especially coins made by buddies, ya dig? lol. i've got some amateur pollen-chucking about to happen as well.....
anyway i hope all is well y'alls way and that space you need!
-shake
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There's much more blue in the mix at noon, so plants seek blue.
That's what makes them grow straight up, they seek, not just blue, but the blue-est.
So, if the first light they see is too red, they feel "shadowed", and they stretch to compete with the shaders, (Rocks, grass, leaf litter, others. etc.)
MP, I think the linked article below supports this hypothesis. It also ought to provide a warning against using 730nm indiscriminately. It's pretty clear these researchers found it can easily cause unwanted stretch if improperly implemented.
Journal Article - Colored Mulch Trial
Are these just under the T-1? I can't remember your setup. I know you know what you're doing, so I don't want to brashly start throwing suggestions out there that you've probably already considered. That said, under usual circumstances, these things tend to mitigate excessive stretch:
1. More overall light intensity (add more lights, or decrease the distance, der)
2. Increase blue light intensity (enough should actually stop the plants in their tracks. Occurs just before light-bleaching. Gotta :weedpoke: to get it dialed in)
3. Decrease red light intensity
4. A longer photoperiod
Under some conditions, 24/0 veg does outperform other lighting schedules. (Insufficient light is one of those conditions.) Don't be afraid to try it. (I do not suggest 24/0 is optimum under all conditions, but it has permitted me veg out some impressive bushes under minimal lighting when maximum stealth was required.)
OTOH, if you're getting what you need at harvest, perhaps seedlings that get a little leggy at first is a non-issue. But I'll bet we can fix this, if it bugs you. :thumbsup: