Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
First of all congratulations to Alex for not having to take a wiz quiz I am happy to see that worked out.
As for Webdox and Burnt Toast comments:
Spreading misinformation in a forum where careers, families, and freedoms depending on the outcome of a U/A is downright irresponsible. The drug testing forum is not a playground.
Speak for yourselves. I wish I could tell you exactly where and when the people I know who smoke chronically were tested for marijuana and passed their tests using products from head shops. However this would compromise the whole reason for taking these products in the first place. One person working in an environment where random testing is routine has passed at least 7 times.
I believe it is irresponsible of you to suggest that these products are ineffective. Failing a random test is far more likely to affect careers especially as well as families and freedoms as you have mentioned. Regular folks should not be eliminated from the work force just because they test positive.
I will check the sticky thread as suggested and I am open to scientific information. You can say whatever you want on this forum, however, you can't deny what I have seen with my own eyes. Maybe you can duplicate what these products have at home or make artificial urine. I find it easier to just drive by the head shop.
As far as water, cran juice etc. urinating will definitely pass fat cells that store thc. So drinking and exercising and peeing will help you pass a test in a shorter time than not drinking extra liquids or exercising. This might mean 2 or 3 weeks instead of 4 to 5 weeks. I like your explanation about liquids diluting the thc in the urine prior to testing as well.
I have not checked the sticky thread yet but I have not heard of any way to get around the hair sample test.
To be sure there are work app tests, DOT tests, military/security tests, olympic testing etc. and there are different qualities and types of machines analyzing the samples. The test for olympiads can detect the above mentioned masking agents and that alone is cause for a failure at that level or the Tour de France for example.
Sorry if I piss anyone off but lets hear from the scientists.
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
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Originally Posted by AlexCan
And I haven't toked since saturday, that will be 4 days to the test is being taken.
You're fucked.
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
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Originally Posted by rudy2010
I wish I could tell you exactly where and when the people I know who smoke chronically were tested for marijuana and passed their tests using products from head shops. However this would compromise the whole reason for taking these products in the first place. One person working in an environment where random testing is routine has passed at least 7 times.
Again, they passed because they diluted. The same thing couldve been accomplished with just water.
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I believe it is irresponsible of you to suggest that these products are ineffective.
Why does it bother you that the detox product industry is revealed here? Only a person shilling for the industry would feel thats "irresponsible". :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by rudy2010
You can say whatever you want on this forum, however, you can't deny what I have seen with my own eyes.
Anecdotal accounts can always be fabricated out of whole cloth and thus can be denied.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by rudy2010
Maybe you can duplicate what these products have at home or make artificial urine. I find it easier to just drive by the head shop.
So you find it easier to drive by a headshop than to run water from a faucet?:rolleyes:
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I have not checked the sticky thread yet but I have not heard of any way to get around the hair sample test.
How did the topic now shift to hair testing? :rolleyes:
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To be sure there are work app tests, DOT tests, military/security tests, olympic testing etc. and there are different qualities and types of machines analyzing the samples. The test for olympiads can detect the above mentioned masking agents and that alone is cause for a failure at that level or the Tour de France for example.
Nope, sorry. Testing methodologies are pretty much the same. For the drug test, its the Immunoassay and the GC/MS for confirmation.
For the validity tests, its colorimetry for the initial screening, and refractometry, MWS, and potentiometry for the confirmation. Detox products are "detected" when the sample is ruled overdiluted due to a low creatinine and SG level. Theres nothing in the products that sets off the adulterant flags of pH, Nitrites, Glutaraldehyde, etc.
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
Sorry if you think my purpose here is to defend products sold at head shops. If you think plain water will allow you to pass a test for marijuana just one day after stopping smoking then good luck. Also if you think the simple test they have where you pee in a self testing cup and if it does not turn the wrong color is the same as the labs where they can analyze every element in the urine are even remotely similar you really are misinformed. There are definitely differely levels of testing for marijuana as well as other drugs.
I noticed you dismissed what I have seen with my own eyes as anecdotal accounts. I am not going to give names, dates and locations but I definitely know folks who have failed tests and who have passed tests when smoking marijuana. What personal experiences do you have in this area. Apparently little or none.
Researching, testing and examining the results as well as interviewing numerous individuals are a legitimate way to find if any product is effective. Just research does not cut it. Talk to some real world people.
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
haha after reading all this, I'm just laughing.
PROPS to Burnt Toast, you have the most ACCURATE advice for someone trying to pass a test.
those detox products are a total scam, I don't understand how this isn't common knowledge.
yep. PLAIN OLD TAP WATER works great! I've had it work for me in only 48 hours of no smoking before a test. I only started drinking water 3 hours before my test....I've passed every time!
With the 48 hours, however, I am a daily smoker, but I also am pretty skinny and I work out a couple times a week....as mentioned before, a high metabolism always helps!
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
I have finally read the sticky threads on drug testing. After doing so I would recommend someone who has to pass a whiz quiz go to the dilution or substitution thread site if they want to get information that can help them cheaply pass a test.
Since I know both people who have passed the test and who have failed the test I agree that there is a lot of misinformation out there that can be harmful. However after reading the sticky threads I believe that the products from the head shop have the correct creatine or B 12 or whatever is needed to allow the user to pass the test.
Yes, of course, they do recommend drinking large amounts of liquid which by itself should dilute the tested results enough to allow you to pass. It is also likely that this by itself would result in a failed test wheras people using the products are repeatedly passing these tests. It may be more hassle for some people to hunt down creatine, B 12, gatorade and whatever than to just drive by the head shop and pick up a product that works for them.
The only person I know who failed a drug test when using one of these products took the product just before the test did not drink near enough liquids and did not pee before going to take the test. The urine was flourescent green and they failed her immediately.
Obviously there is no product that will remove the THC or the product THC leaves in your system that is tested for. Hopefully no one believes that THC can removed by anything but time.
I hope Burnttoast, Webdox, FBR, Ms Peridot and the others putting out good information on the sticky understand that I do not work for anyone selling or pushing these products. I am just saying what has specifically worked for folks I personally know and should work for others.
Don't be afraid to go for that job in the "drug free environment"
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However after reading the sticky threads I believe that the products from the head shop have the correct creatine or B 12 or whatever is needed to allow the user to pass the test.
The thing is, the creatine contained in those magic potions are useless when the potion is consumed on the day of the U/A (in which the instructions require the person to do). It takes 2-3 days for the body to metabolize creatine into creatinine (the end waste product that the labs check in determining a diluted sample). Any creatine intake must be done at least 3 days before the scheduled U/A (BTW, which is stated in the Dilution sticky).
If those people actually passed with the drinks, the likely two reasons are:
- The test they took did not include integrity checks (creatinine, SG) which is becoming an uncommon thing these days. Or....
- Their creatinine level was already within acceptable limits before taking the drink. Creatinine levels must be above 20 mg/dL to be acceptable.
Also, its improper for a lab to fail a sample based on color alone. As long as the sample doesnt exhibit an obvious foreign color thats not supposed to be exhibited in human urine (ie; blue, brown dark olive green, purple, etc), the lab must perform the necessary integrity checks.
Need to pass a drug test in 13 hours!
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Originally Posted by rudy2010
Sorry if you think my purpose here is to defend products sold at head shops. If you think plain water will allow you to pass a test for marijuana just one day after stopping smoking then good luck. Also if you think the simple test they have where you pee in a self testing cup and if it does not turn the wrong color is the same as the labs where they can analyze every element in the urine are even remotely similar you really are misinformed. There are definitely differely levels of testing for marijuana as well as other drugs.
Its actually YOU that is misinformed. Because if you spent more time researching drug testing, their methodologies, and how they work (and less time touting detox products) youd discover that the instant test kits are no more different in function than the Immunoassays used at the lab for the initial screening. Regardless of what you think or believe, drug testing is not CSI. Even if a sample is sent to a lab for analysis (as opposed to an on-the-spot instant test) an Immunoassay is always performed first, and if it fails that, the sample is sent to the GC/MS for confirmation. Dont take my word for it - check out the regulations and take a peek of the analytical testing methods listed by the DHHS/SAMHSA (the governing body that overlooks and regulates all practicing labs in the US) on their site and see it for yourself. Arent you in for a surprise.
And heres another bit of factual info thats going to crisp your noodle: Even though the cutoff levels are different, a 50 ng Immunoassay is equivalent to the 15 ng GC/MS. How can that be, you might ask? The 50ng IA recognizes the whole composite of the 31 metabolite concentations with THC-COOH being among the composite. In order to test negative, that whole composite must register below 50ng.
The GC/MS is lower at 15 ng, because the machine recognizes only one metabolite concentration: THC-COOH. In order to test negative, that one metabolite concentration must register below 15 ng. Again dont take my word for it. Do your research using your favorite search engine on the mechanics of an Immunoassay and the GC/MS. Yes, you will be in for a bunch of surprises.
Education. Such a great thing.
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Originally Posted by rudy2010
I noticed you dismissed what I have seen with my own eyes as anecdotal accounts. I am not going to give names, dates and locations but I definitely know folks who have failed tests and who have passed tests when smoking marijuana. What personal experiences do you have in this area. Apparently little or none.
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Researching, testing and examining the results as well as interviewing numerous individuals are a legitimate way to find if any product is effective. Just research does not cut it. Talk to some real world people.
"Multiple pieces of anecdotal evidence do not equal scientific fact." - Rhizome
If everything in the world were to be based on personal experience, it would be a mighty sad existence.:rolleyes:... And like I already stated, anybody can fabricate an anecdotal account out of whole cloth, especially if their objective is to further the touting of some product.
The tests in no way, shape, or form establishes that a product alone was effective in help passing a U/A. What if your acquaintances told you theyve dyed their eyebrows blue before taking a U/A and passed? Are you going to sit there and tell everyone that dyeing your eyebrows will cause a person to pass a U/A? :rolleyes:
