UH oh...

evil, those are stretching mighty bad. a good way to judge light distance is to put your hand under it. find a distance that you can keep your hand under for about 5 seconds and then back it up just a bit.

also, they are a tad young for nutes. at least in most peoples opinion. minus the sensical, of course, if you contiune to use the distilled. i would suggest that you use spring water instead, as it still contains lots of minerals.

as far as the cups on the bottom, i wouldn't do this for several reasons. the holding water, even for a couple of hours is bad and it might also block oxygen from getting to your roots. what color do they happen to be? they should be nice and white.

i water mine in the bathtub and and let them stand for about 15 minutes before returning them to their home.

it is possible that it could be a pH problem causing a nutrient lockout. your pH for soil should be 6.3-6.8. as you can see from the chart it could be one of many things, including a calcium deficiney.

also, the optimum temp would be about 78 degrees. depending on your fluctuation and drops into low temps, you might want to bring it up or stabalize it a bit.

i think that's about it for now.

is that possibly gunnery sergeant?


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damn, my bad, i never saw most of those responses. what the hell?


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I didnt think they're seedlings anymore, are they? They're growing new shoots like mad, and are over half a foot tall, and about three weeks old. Repotting is going to happen soon, the roots are beginning to find their way out of the drainage holes. As for RO, unfortunately I dont have access to RO water ;/. Distilled is the best it gets for me.

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I would probably still call them seedlings... age wise, they are certainly old enough to not be seedlings, but size wise, thats a different story...

as a bit of a frame of reference, heres a pic of one of mine @ day 24, so 3 days past 3 weekds: day 24

i couldn;t really say whether mine is behind/dead on/ahead compared to average sizes for its age, as this is my first grow... but just thought it'd be useful as a reference point

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evil, those are stretching mighty bad. a good way to judge light distance is to put your hand under it. find a distance that you can keep your hand under for about 5 seconds and then back it up just a bit.

also, they are a tad young for nutes. at least in most peoples opinion. minus the sensical, of course, if you contiune to use the distilled. i would suggest that you use spring water instead, as it still contains lots of minerals.

as far as the cups on the bottom, i wouldn't do this for several reasons. the holding water, even for a couple of hours is bad and it might also block oxygen from getting to your roots. what color do they happen to be? they should be nice and white.

i water mine in the bathtub and and let them stand for about 15 minutes before returning them to their home.

it is possible that it could be a pH problem causing a nutrient lockout. your pH for soil should be 6.3-6.8. as you can see from the chart it could be one of many things, including a calcium deficiney.

also, the optimum temp would be about 78 degrees. depending on your fluctuation and drops into low temps, you might want to bring it up or stabalize it a bit.

i think that's about it for now.

is that possibly gunnery sergeant?


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Alright, I dropped the light a little on them. My medium has no nutrient in it (FF Light Warrior) and I was under the impression they needed to be fed within a week or so of transplanting? Gotcha on the cups, had already taken the bottom ones off. They still feel a bit heavy, like maybe theyre retaining too much water? Should I maybe gently squeeze the cups to get a little of the excess water out? The roots are white :] And the PH is good at the moment. The temp isn't anywhere near 78. Last I checked (hour or so ago) it was 71. Think that's as high as it's gonna get at the moment.

And nope, not gunnery sergeant. Just a nickname. I am evil however, BWAHAHAHAHA. See that, that's some evil laugh right there :]

gotcha evil! and that is quite a menacing laugh i might add.

the temp is fine, just might not be "optimum".

you can squeeze them i guess, but it should be used, evaporate fine. get an idea about what your pots feel like when they are full of water and empty. use your fore finger and thumb on each hand and hold the pot by the rim and bounce it up and down gently.

also, watch the leaves as they will start to sag more and more as they show that they need water.

and as far as the nutes, remember, they don't get nutes at all in nature. well not artifically anyway. so when in down, emulate nature!

i hope things start to get better!


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gotcha evil! and that is quite a menacing laugh i might add.

the temp is fine, just might not be "optimum".

you can squeeze them i guess, but it should be used, evaporate fine. get an idea about what your pots feel like when they are full of water and empty. use your fore finger and thumb on each hand and hold the pot by the rim and bounce it up and down gently.

also, watch the leaves as they will start to sag more and more as they show that they need water.

and as far as the nutes, remember, they don't get nutes at all in nature. well not artifically anyway. so when in down, emulate nature!

i hope things start to get better!


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Hmmm so they don't need any nutrient at the moment? I realize they don't get any artificial nutes outside, but they do pull nutrients from the soil, no? Im using like peat based (I think?) media. Sorry if I sound like a broken record, I just like to make absolutely sure before I mess with em :smokin:

Oh, and grats on 1000 posts by the way :thumbsup:

most people say they don't need nutes until they are mature, or have about 4 nodes (and i think the fan leaves will start to stagger). sorry it's late and i can't remember exactly.

and yes, they do pull nutrients from the soil outdoors. but indoors we are basically trying to stress the plant to the max without damaging it.

peat based, like potting mix? was it store bought? a lot of stuff has fertilizers in it already.

it's okay, as long as people do some research and ask "good", smart questions, i don't mind helping out. it's the people that want to be spoon-fed that piss me off.

oh shit, thanks! i didn't even realize that i had hit 1,000!

thanks again!


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Yup...no nutes till 4-5 internodes...then start at half-strength. In the wild, they don't normally get full-strength nutrients handed them on a silver platter. They have to go looking for it. Plus, 'normal' soil nutrient content doesn't even come close to the nutrients we add to our potted plants.
Right now...you are burning your plants root system, and stressing the shit out of them.

Why are you not using tapwater? Unless it's really nasty...it's usually the best/easiest way to go. But regardless...what's the ph of the water you use?

Cannabis prefers a wet/dry cycle. Water them to slight trickle out of the bottom, then let dry before watering again. Squeezing the cups will compact the soil around the roots, and you risk damage. (bad idea)

as always, top notch advice from rusty!


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Alright, things are looking better. Thanks, everyone had really good advice. I removed the bottom cups, cut one open and noticed they were badly root bound. The roots were circling, so I trimmed them a little, then put them in some 1 gallon grow bags with light warrior/sunshine 1, some horticultural charcoal and some plant success. Watered with distilled, hygrozyme, and a little sensical. As for the water Rusty, yes, water around here has alot of runoff from agricultural and animal farms. I wont drink the stuff so I dont give it to my plants :). Distilled isn't that cheap though, and I expect they'll start drinking a bit more soon. Maybe I'll get an RO system next time around...

Also, I dropped light down about a foot. They're starting to fill out, the indicas at least. They were a bit older in the last pics than I had thought, alot of their lower leaves had been taken off. I think most are at 3-4 internodes now? Not sure if that's behind or not. I figured out that 4 weeks have passed since I first started germinating. These pics are from yesterday or the day before, so like 5-6 days after the first pictures. Some damage from the "rust" remains, but most has been cut off and it hasn't spread. Haven't been using the ozone generator since I first noticed, though. Hope they'll be able to handle it later ;/