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I agree...is it so shocking to the good ol' fashion Americans that the United States has caused numerous coups, endorsed countless dictators, and set up puppet governments. There were so many in fact...one particular one having to do with Iran was Shah Rasa.
Georgia, I personally consider to be a puppet government by the US currently, which is a damn shame really...
Well, the good thing is that you don't have a vote in November and the bad thing is that you don't have a clue:Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
How many Iraqi provinces have been turned over to COMPLETE Iraqi control now? Didn't Iraq just negotiate a deal with Iran? Isn't Iraq in negotiations with China for oil rights? Is this something that we'd ALLOW our puppets to do?
Quite the "occupation" we have going on there. Just like Russia OR China would do right? You say you don't hate the U.S.; you either lie or your just jealous of what we got here.
Have a good one!:s4:
yeah that's right, i'm jealous...i wish my government doubled our national debt and opened a torture chamber in a concentration camp on foreign soil and kickstarted a global economic crisis...canada SUCKS!
going back to the puppet status:
the us state department opened iraq's oil to international no-bid contracts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/wo...0contract.html
the $3 billion contract with china is a drop in the bucket that western oil corporations will get, and is equal to less than 1% of the crap the usa imports from china...but that's got almost nothing to do with the oil motive behind the invasion of iraq
before the invasion, iraq got permission from the UN to sell it's oil in euros...now that the usa is in charge, all iraq's oil is sold in US dollars including the oil to china...control of iraq's oil is more important to US national security than who gets the oil because the US dollar might crash along with the US economy if the world's second largest reserves of crude oil suddenly started selling in euros:
CNN.com - U.N. to let Iraq sell oil for euros, not dollars - October 30, 2000
guess who else recently stopped selling oil in US dollars? IRAN!
Iran Ends Oil Transactions In U.S. Dollars, OPEC's Second-Largest Producer Now Pegs Petroleum To Euros And Yen - CBS News
when iraq starts selling its oil in euros, i might believe they are independent of the usa
Guess my statement was true since you didn't answer the questions. As for this "euro" crap...how many middle eastern countries are pegged to the U.S.D. as compared to the Euro? Are all countries pegged to the U.S.D. our "puppet governments"? How about ones pegged to the Euro, are they puppets of Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
As for the oil....LOL, seems to me that CANADA decided to play the back door thing and try to negotiate oil contracts with the Kurds without going through the central government of Iraq. Isn't that kind of a "vulture" thing to do? After all the killing is done they decide to go in to pick the bones of Iraq. I'll bet that OUR soldiers even gave these vultures security while they were there.
Have a good one!:s4:
Wanna know the worst part?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
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We'll buy that oil from Canada, at jacked up prices. Know why? Cuz we sure as shit aren't getting any from the Liberated.
No...IMHO Canada doesn't suck...it's the liberal attitudes of moral indifference. Kinda frustrating when we, as a society, don't agree with your "values", 'eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
You act as if this is unnatural. Who is guarding their oil infrastructuer from outside (terror) influences? Who is keeping their power grid up-n-running? Who has the contracts for oil field firefighting and infrastructure rebuilding? How long do you think these contracts are for?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
"United States officials are directly advising Iraq on a host of issues, from electricity to education. But they have avoided the limelight when questions turn to how Iraq should manage its oil endowment, insisting that a decision must rest with the Iraqi government" (from above cited article)
Twas reportedly a political ploy of Saddam Obama's to punitively 'punish' their enemy, the USA. By the way...did you notice the date-stamp for the story...?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Yeah...a big surprise there. Problem with this revelation is...Iran has been on this financial course since, what...2006?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Thank goodness we do not depend on your 'belief' to get us thru the logistics of drilling, pumping, transporting thru hundreds of miles of pipes, and shipping that oil in a quasi-battlefield situation. With oilfield worker support, security and logistics we have provided, and continue to provide...I'd be pretty friggin pissed if there were no considerations by the host country to work with us instead of against us. After all...there's more to Iraq than oil sales and delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Also...I can gurantee there's no purple dye on your finger, and likely you were not there to see the democratic vote that went down, were you? You were not there to see the changes in the attitudes and actions of the indigenous peoples, were you? You simply read liberal bullshit, find a couple of (old) links...and parrot those that parrot the party line. Sure would love to see some original (intelligent) thought.
"Are all countries pegged to the U.S.D. our "puppet governments"?"
- of course not - only the countries that have been invaded, had their governments deposed and replaced, and are currently under foreign military occupation are puppet governments
"How about ones pegged to the Euro, are they puppets of Europe? "
- of course not - they haven't been invaded, had their governments deposed and replaced, and are occupied by european troops
"You act as if this is unnatural. Who is guarding their oil infrastructuer from outside (terror) influences? Who is keeping their power grid up-n-running? Who has the contracts for oil field firefighting and infrastructure rebuilding?"
- it is natural for the usa military to guard it's investment after it invaded the country, replaced the government, and conducted an open ended military occupation of it's puppet government...it is a legal obligation under the laws of war
"did you notice the date-stamp for the story...?"
- yeppers...it was the same date dick cheney and donald rumsfeld published their plans to take over the middle east oil reserves:
"REBUILDING AMERICA'S DEFENSES" â?? A Summary
"Iran has been on this financial course since, what...2006?"
- even longer than that, and george bush has been rattling his war sabre at them the entire time
"Sure would love to see some original (intelligent) thought. "
- me too...the bush doctrine is outdated garbage now
Let's cut to the chase. The "war," IMO was really about securing resources, a military strategic base for the middle east while at the same time artificially propping up the economy. After all, before 2003 the economy was heading into further recession and Bush needed to do something to combat these 3 problems. With one feel swoop, Bush ignited the economy, securing future oil resources for America and we are going to be in Iraq forever baby. Do you actually believe because of this security pact, troops are going to leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
While this is biting us in the ass now because of the current state of the economy, the war in Iraq at the time was a necessary evil.
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Not communism.
Not terrorism.
Nothing tops it.
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