US terror law 'unconstitutional'

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

I know the whole thing leaves a bad taste in many mouths but as for myself....I'll put up with a bit of big brother looking in for the safety of the many.

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it's not so much what they have done so far with these new powers that bothers me, it's what they are capable of doing. in case you have forgotten our government's capacity for injustice, allow me to give you two recent examples - the internment of japanese americans during ww2 and the witch hunts of senator mc carthy and his ilk not long afterward. both of these were considered reasonable responses to outside aggression and they both ended up destroying the lives of countless innocent americans. even without the excuse of war (cold or hot) this government has shown itself to be more than willing to use any means protect the status quo. the history books are filled with politicians who used the power of their office and the might of the us military to quash dissenting opinion where their ideological or economic concerns were involved. the incident in ohio (kent state) was nothing compared to the state sponsored violence used in their futile attempts to destroy the organized labor movements. the list of government run atrocities is long and sad and there is no reason to believe that the political animals in charge now have suddenly found any new respect for the rights of the average citizen.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Like I stated in the previous post......some of this does leave a bad taste but the overall safety comes first in my eyes. If they want to review my books.....have at it! I really think more detail is spent on such items as bomb making, etc..........

Have a good one!:s4:

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The issue is the potential for misuse by officials. Specifically, the vagueness of the word Terrorism. To you and me, terrorism is when a guy blows up a building. The FBI, police, and other agencys use a much broader definition of it. Anything where an officer feels you're endangering other peoples lives, can legally be interpreted as terrorism. This goes from robbing a bank with hostages, all the way down to something as lame as speeding on a busy road.
It all comes down to an LEO's 'feelings' on the situation. The ACLU is heavily against that part, they want clarification on that, but the govt doesnt want to give up their wild card.

I have heard, but cant confirm, that '..intent to distribute' is one that they can use the patriot act to dig through your history if they dont have enough evidence.

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Originally Posted by 420F4i

It all comes down to an LEO's 'feelings' on the situation. The ACLU is heavily against that part, they want clarification on that, but the govt doesnt want to give up their wild card.

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MOST of what the ACLU is against is worth a second look.....these people are so far over the edge its rediculous.

Have a good one!:s4:

What a lot of people seem to refuse to accept is the fact that evil does exist and that Bush and his administration are the personification of evil.

In a metaphorical sense, it is absurd to say that the devil has his good points. It is absurd to deal with the devil. It is absurd to expect anything but evil from the devil.

Bush is a globalist piece of shit who has done more in the last seven years to destroy the soveriegnty of the United States than any overt enemy of ours has ever accomplished.

Bush has allowed tens of millions of Mexicans to invade our country, destroying cities and neighborhoods and driving down wages in a manner that is rapidly destroying what little remains of our middle class. He has allowed this invasion for one simple reason - corporate profit.

I could go on and on, but the point is that Bush is an evil person and you absolutely cannot support evil, in any respect.

Adolph Hitler was the impetus behind Volkswagen Motorcars. Should we then modify his stature in history because VW is now such a great financial success?

PC :smokin:

Yes, I don't like it, nor do I think it is fair (Patriot Act), however, nowhere in the constitution are we guaranteed a right to privacy.

The Right of Privacy: Is it Protected by the Constitution?

Psycho4bud.. it must be hard defending Bush if you are reading about all the horrible shit he does. Maybe you are Psycho? I don't see how a single American can think of Bush in any kind of positive way at this point.

P4B, I don't know why you are so timid or afraid, (Should I use the phrase fraidy cat)? But I am willing to take my chances with the laws the way they were before 911. We need to do some obvious things, like protect our vulnerable industries, like nuke plants and chemical plants, etc., close our borders and get rid of all illegals, watch our ports etc. But we sure as hell don't need any more laws to curb our freedoms. I am especially interested in what you do for a living as it must have to do with law enforcement of some kind. You are for everything that Bush wants, yet claim to be a MJ toker. This is a great mystery to me. Makes me wonder if Bush isn't a toker himself, My god the enemy is toking up, what worse could happen?

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Originally Posted by texas grass

another part of this is the REAL ID CARD ACT, in may of 08 it is mandatory for all american citizens to have a federal card with either fingerprints and or eye retnal scans, social security card, and RIDF chips. that does not make you safe having all of that on you, if anything it makes you more vunerable to attacks, and can also be tracked at any moment

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I checked out the Wikipedia entry on the Real ID act and your facts most apparently are wrong. It doesn't begin until December 2009 and does NOT require fingerprints, eye retnal scans, social security card, or RIDF chip. That's bullshit. The act simply requires all states share their DMV records with each other (which I believe to be a good thing) and requires drivers licenses to include a face, person's full name, address, signature, date of birth, sex, driver license number, which last I checked is rather standard fare for driver's license. It does require security measures to prevent "tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication" which also last I checked is pretty standard stuff. All these requirements perfectly describe my Florida license in its entirety.

REAL ID Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol can you imagine P4B and Bush sharing a doobie lmao

Maybe P4B is Bush. :eek: That would certainly explain his views.

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