Argument supporting god...?
God doesn't exist.
If he does then why doesn't he show himself? It's no good others telling me he does. Right now we really could use him. If he exists why doesn't he come here right now and show us. No ambiguity, nothing like that. Just show up and make sure everyone sees he's real, then he can go back to wherever he came from and we can all worship him for ever and ever amen.
It's not much to ask. Instead of that we are asked to rely on a book which is open to thousands of interpretations. Religion is the cause of nearly every war in the world right now. Surely God should show us a sign? Let us know he's around.
There is NO scientific reason to believe in God. It is purely a matter of faith. You'll not find me knocking anyone's faith, but it's anything but scientific. I believe in science. Science tells me that if I stick my hand in the fire I get burned. And guess what...it's true. Science tells me about gravity, and I can prove that right now. I just threw a ball in the air, and it came back down. Now God...he tells me (via a book) that all kinds of things are going to happen, or have happened. And guess what...none of it can be proved. It's all about faith, and I have none. An entirely rational position. I think faith is irrational, by it's very nature it must be. God asks you to have faith and belief, good for you if you have it, but I'm not buying it.
Mud Dauber, I've explained this again and again so this really is the last time. I think you are trying to yank my chain, good luck with that.
Here it is again, in the simplest terms I can put it. If I tell you that there is a man in the corner, and you can't see him, then it's down to me to prove that he is there. It's not down to you to prove that he isn't.
The thing about poker... it's not fixed, I make a decent amount of cash from it, and I work another job as back up. It's certainly possible to win money at poker if you play the percentages and you understand what those percentages are. There's no real mystery to it. Online is pretty good, but I like a face to face game in the casino. There's a lot of players there who think that poker is all about smoking a big cigar and trying to stare the other guy down...just like the movies. We call them fish, and I'll eat them all day.
Argument supporting god...?
"If he does then why doesn't he show himself? It's no good others telling me he doesn't. Right now we really could use him. If he exists why doesn't he come here right now and show us. No ambiguity, nothing like that. Just show up and make sure everyone sees he's real, then he can go back to wherever he came from and we can all worship him for ever and ever amen."
Keep in mind that this did happen, except that since your own eyes haven't seen it, you don't think it happened. I told you people saw Jesus come back after he was put to death. I would have listened to him If I had seen him too. So his fame traveled and so we're still giving him glory today. His word will continue forever and ever.
Your example about seing a man in the corner is a bad one. There are plenty of writings left by people from different generations that point to the same God. So it's you that has to prove that these writings are wrong. It's not one person, it's a whole movement. I believe that what they wrote is true so I don't have to prove them wrong. The bottom line is that we were left the Word of God, and it's you that has to prove it wrong. Good Luck with that. You put your faith in man (cause you accept science as truth) and I put my faith in God (cause I accept his word as truth). As far as proof though, proof will depend on your faith. Cause to me, everything around me is the proof of God and you'll say it's the proof of science. Science is not a Creator. Without God, we would have no science. Cause everything came out of him.
How come science hasn't proven that there's a hell under the earth? It's like a furnace. I saw a movie in 3D IMAX and they showed these little holes at the bottom of the ocean. You know what came out of those holes? Heat blowing out making the water boil. I forget how many degrees they said it made the water. I think it was about 600 or 700 degrees of hot and boiling springs at the bottom of the ocean. That's some deep shit. Once again, science finding facts to prove the accuracy of the Word of God.
Argument supporting god...?
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
You don't understand the son of man and the Son of God principle. The Son of God has no decent. He has no father or mother. He has no beginning of days or end of life. Read about Melchisedec. He was made like the Son of God. You're only testifying that jesus is the son of man, but you're denying that he's the Son of God. The jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God, but they knew that their messiah would be God himself. They knew that it would be God himself that would save them. They just didn't believe it was Jesus, and are still waiting to be delivered.
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Nothing was made that was made without him. He is "before" all things. Jesus came to save "his" peole from their sins. Jesus said that Moses' writings are his words. You are just repeating the false religious teachings that are out there. Jesus is the Word of God.
I wonder why you didn't provide any scripture in your reply? The word proved you wrong about seeing God and you just ignored it and preached religion. Did Phillip not ask Jesus to show them the Father? What did Jesus tell him? He said he who hath "seen" me hath "seen" the Father. Getting to know jesus will help you get to know his Father in Heaven
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins"
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
De 6:4 ; Mal 2:10 ; Mr 10:18 ; Ro 3:29,30 ;
Re 3:14 ; Col 1:15 ; Isa 44:6
Php 2:5,6 ; Da 4:35
Php 2:10,11 ; John 8:42; 12:49
He is the son of Jehovah god.
1Co 11:3 ; John 20:17 ; Re 1:6
Jesus Is a representive of his Father and Getting to know him is Getting to know his Father. Your confused Read the scriptures
Argument supporting god...?
God doesn't exist.
If he does then why doesn't he show himself? It's no good others telling me he does. Right now we really could use him. If he exists why doesn't he come here right now and show us. No ambiguity, nothing like that. Just show up and make sure everyone sees he's real, then he can go back to wherever he came from and we can all worship him for ever and ever amen.
It's not much to ask. Instead of that we are asked to rely on a book which is open to thousands of interpretations. Religion is the cause of nearly every war in the world right now. Surely God should show us a sign? Let us know he's around.
There is NO scientific reason to believe in God. It is purely a matter of faith. You'll not find me knocking anyone's faith, but it's anything but scientific. I believe in science. Science tells me that if I stick my hand in the fire I get burned. And guess what...it's true. Science tells me about gravity, and I can prove that right now. I just threw a ball in the air, and it came back down. Now God...he tells me (via a book) that all kinds of things are going to happen, or have happened. And guess what...none of it can be proved. It's all about faith, and I have none. An entirely rational position. I think faith is irrational, by it's very nature it must be. God asks you to have faith and belief, good for you if you have it, but I'm not buying it.
Mud Dauber, I've explained this again and again so this really is the last time. I think you are trying to yank my chain, good luck with that.
Here it is again, in the simplest terms I can put it. If I tell you that there is a man in the corner, and you can't see him, then it's down to me to prove that he is there. It's not down to you to prove that he isn't.
The thing about poker... it's not fixed, I make a decent amount of cash from it, and I work another job as back up. It's certainly possible to win money at poker if you play the percentages and you understand what those percentages are. There's no real mystery to it. Online is pretty good, but I like a face to face game in the casino. There's a lot of players there who think that poker is all about smoking a big cigar and trying to stare the other guy down...just like the movies. We call them fish, and I'll eat them all day.
We are being challanged by Satan. He says we do not need God and we can be god's of our selfs. This world is proveing him a liar. What we see happening today is proof. All this has purpose and a Greater Goal. Don't fall into Satan's thinking and die along with him.
Argument supporting god...?
this is to be my last post on this topic people, this argument is going around in circles, no one is going to change the way that they look at the bible, so all in all this argumant is really just a circle because it has no end, and it cannot have an end. i have just one question, if god created the heavens and the earth and, well, everything, who or what created god?
Argument supporting god...?
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Originally Posted by MastaChronic
this is to be my last post on this topic people, this argument is going around in circles, no one is going to change the way that they look at the bible, so all in all this argumant is really just a circle because it has no end, and it cannot have an end. i have just one question, if god created the heavens and the earth and, well, everything, who or what created god?
Has always been, and will always be. He is the energy that can not go away and has always been.
Argument supporting god...?
LOL Religion! Its just used to help people deal with things they cant understand. Like death..
But the people who believe god exists are going to do so no matter what you say because thats how they were brought up. Ignorance is bliss.
Argument supporting god...?
I agree Masta, this will be never ending. Like a Merry Go Round.
Masta, it would be like me asking you were did life in general come from? Where did it start and how did it get there? We just have to take it for what it is. He is Eternal. Always WAS, IS, and always WILL be. God is Super Natural.
Krogith, you say I'm confused but it's you that has to change what the scriptures say to preach your gospel. I gave you his word and you preached that he was a representative even though the scriptures say that it was "God with us". You like to change the word of God to make your point. So basically, you believe in two LORD's right? You say that Jesus is not the LORD of the old testament. That means that there is another LORD. In the new testament is says that Jesus is Lord. If he is Lord and he's not the only LORD, then you believe that there is more than ONE Lord. So I guess it's you that believes in the trinity, not me. I preach one God. If you believe that Jesus is Lord, and he's not God, then you contradict yourself. Cause the entire bible is about the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
If you're making any kind of sense you should have an answer for this question: Jesus says in Matthew that where two or three are gathered together in his name, that he's there in their midst. How can Jesus be present with two believers if not in the Spirit? Jesus is the Holy Spirit. See how I preach ONE God and you're the one preaching the trinity? You say that there are three Gods and I say that there is ONE God. Your gospel is FALSE. Jesus is LORD.
You need to start thinking for yourself. You should start repeating the word instead of the word of the pastor. I have heard alot of people that sound exactly like you. Sorry, but you have been programmed. I admit that I'm programmed as well, but at least it's by his word. You guys want to change the scriptures to accomodate your point of views. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Why do you guys say that the word was a God? You're implying that there are more than one. See what I mean about that trinity thing again. You are the one who is preching the trinity. I believe in one God.
Argument supporting god...?
I have not changed anything. The Name of his father is Jehovah ( english) and is Yhwh in herbrew. Go look it up. Look how it's spelled in the Dead sea Scroles ( Oldest vershion we have today). It's just a matter of miss conception.
If the named of God wasn't taken out by the roman cathloic chirch we wouldn't even be haveing this disscushion. Look it up. and look at the scriptures i cited. Compare all the Lord and lord In your bible. The Capital Lord is Jehovah God in the herbrew script and the lower case is refering to Jesus. I have done the reaserch looking for the truth. Look for your self and please don't just wave your hand and forget.
Just compair all the scripts I cited and look up the dead sea scrolles for the most accerate translation.
Argument supporting god...?
John 17:3. Read it
How does God send someone if it is him self?
