Terrorists Attack Grips London

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

you shoot all the extremists you can and let god or allah sort them out.

full metal jacket was great.

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im not surprised you enjoyed the film.

sorry for taking so long to reply p4b

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

You're just justifying extremism dealing with extremism. I would negotiate by not sending troops all the time to bomb their cities. that might be a great start. or how about doing something about the israeli government set up in the middle east that was supposed to piss them off in the first place.

Then if they continue to bug me even if i leave them alone, THEN the military force.

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Plan 2 please.
They have no country and no cities as demonstrated by the outrage of the middle east concerning their actions.

Israel is a great start but if you don't believe and follow the words of Allah you are an infedel and should die or be converted.

In order to appease these people we would have to convert to their extreem style of Islam and give up ALL rights. Are you willing to do that for peace?

Damn boss wants me to work..I SHALL RETURN! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Plan 2 please.
They have no country and no cities as demonstrated by the outrage of the middle east concerning their actions.

Israel is a great start but if you don't believe and follow the words of Allah you are an infedel and should die or be converted.

In order to appease these people we would have to convert to their extreem style of Islam and give up ALL rights. Are you willing to do that for peace?

Damn boss wants me to work..I SHALL RETURN! :D

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Come back soon. But your words about following allah might be what the book says but the majority of muslims dont believe in supporting that practice. just like the majority of christians dont "dash the heads of babes agains the rocks"

I wont give up my rights. I wont take theirs either. And i wont let them try to convert me or my people forcibly. But how about we wait for them to actually try to do that before we jump the gun? or set up a sytem where we watch to see what they do? and how about an actual country to wage war with instead of an ideal?

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Where do you stand now? Would you support the war or do you think that we need to seriously consider pulling out/using more diplomatic means? You've lived through terror so im really curious as to where you stand.

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Whats the war got to do with this? Simple answer to that one:

Fuck all.

I still dont support it, never did, and this has not changed my mind in anyway. Like I've said elsewhere, we may as well go an invade France - it makes about as much sense as the US going into Iraq (see previous answer).

you cant kill an iguana by cutting off its tail,you have to rip its heart out.

Somewhat missplaced metaphor there dude.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Come back soon. But your words about following allah might be what the book says but the majority of muslims dont believe in supporting that practice. just like the majority of christians dont "dash the heads of babes agains the rocks"

I wont give up my rights. I wont take theirs either. And i wont let them try to convert me or my people forcibly. But how about we wait for them to actually try to do that before we jump the gun? or set up a sytem where we watch to see what they do? and how about an actual country to wage war with instead of an ideal?

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Agreed, most Muslims follow the peaceful interpretations of the Quran and should not be even remotely blamed for any of the extreemists actions!

Their goal is to either convert you or kill you, simple logic( on their behalf). Demonstrated yesterday in London.

Set up a system to watch to see what they do? Big brother is watching? National ID cards? When we implement a system to watch them, we also infringe on the rights of the people that have no affiliations like me and you. So how do we do this and maintain our civil liberties?

An actual country to wage war against? Which one? All countries you would suspect of harboring AlQueda has denounced yesterdays actions so we are left with what is more or less gangs in cities. Tough situation to deal with for me, you, and don't mean to piss ya off but Bush, Blair, etc......world leaders. Hell, even Putin has his hands full with the extreemists in Chechnia (I know I slaughtered that spelling).

muslims are at a huge risk also from these pee-ons.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Agreed, most Muslims follow the peaceful interpretations of the Quran and should not be even remotely blamed for any of the extreemists actions!

Their goal is to either convert you or kill you, simple logic( on their behalf). Demonstrated yesterday in London.

Set up a system to watch to see what they do? Big brother is watching? National ID cards? When we implement a system to watch them, we also infringe on the rights of the people that have no affiliations like me and you. So how do we do this and maintain our civil liberties?

An actual country to wage war against? Which one? All countries you would suspect of harboring AlQueda has denounced yesterdays actions so we are left with what is more or less gangs in cities. Tough situation to deal with for me, you, and don't mean to piss ya off but Bush, Blair, etc......world leaders. Hell, even Putin has his hands full with the extreemists in Chechnia (I know I slaughtered that spelling).

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No i think you're misinterpreting me. We're both working men so it's cool .i understand the rush.

WHo's "they"? You keep saying it as if the iraqis are doing the terrorism. im not saying lets give the terrorists a big hug but i am saying let's not put ourselves in a position to be perceived as the bad guys either. then we have leverage to work with when we ask other countries to support us.

When i say watch them i wouldnt be asking for any overstepping of the spy intelligence agencies and what they do now. i meant use more satellites and whatever other gizmos they use nowadays. we dont need national id's. they havnt worked in spain and they sure dont work anywhere else. even the chinese are ready to revolt if such a system is implemented. and their government has proved to be way less than tolerant of dissenters.

right. there are many couintries with al-qaeda affliliations. why pick the one with little or absolutely no connection? is it because we dont want an ACTUAL war with a country that can fight back or because of bad intel?.