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I was reading over at PG, and some gut wrote in one of the conspiracy threads over there, that the Manhatten Project, had over 15,000 people working on it, and it sure as hell seemed to take Japan by surprise!!
911 Officail story, cannot hold up to scientific scrunity. IDK who did what to whom, buy I damn sure as shit know, it was not 19 radical Islamic fundimentalist, with box cutters. What a stupid story.
Agreed, and chances are we won't ever know exactly how 9/11 went down. Well, maybe in like 50+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlantBoxer
Vostro, are you against ALL conspiracies (EG Questioning of the accepted truth) or just certain ridiculous ones? If you're against all of them, you should probably take the chance to look again at the data.
Take 9/11 as an example; When I look at the facts, at the things that I can say for sure are true, it seems suspicious immediately, and when I see neutral scientific agencies saying that it was physically impossible in this atmosphere for the towers to fall at freefall speed, I get suspicious. Vostro, the media has every reason to broadcast what the government says, for it is controlled by them. The stories you speak of are often the result of renegade reporters or people with a conscience. These stories dont matter to the government as long as everyone still lives in fear. Have you noticed that every time something like Abu Ghraib happens, in the history of recent politics, all that will happen is the Officers involved will be jailed, and a semi-high ranking government official will appear on TV and in the papers to say how unacceptable it is. That will be the end of it. The government has to admit to some things otherwise noone would trust them, not even the brainwashed sheep of this world.
The whole point is control. Everything comes down to it. Banks, education, healthcare, debt, war on drugs, war on terror. EVERYTHING. Think how the US government have benefited since 9/11.
It all revolves around two things, money and control. As Ron Paul says, the only methods that can be used successfully to let the people submit their freedoms to the government are fear and demoralisation. Even if the government played no part in 9/11, the way they have used it to push their political agendas is diabolical and should not be tolerated. 9/11 was used for various reasons. Firstly, to promote a below-the-level anti-Muslim opinion that people hold even subconsciously. For example, if you think your opinions of Muslims to be unaffected by 9/11, next time you're at the airport note how you react when you see a Muslim put his hand in his pocket or in his bag. You feel suspicious right? That's the entire point. This anti-Middle Eastern agenda was used to push the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq (and probably Iran) on the general public. The way we are behaving as a people is similar to the way Germans behaved when Hitler was in power. In years to come we will say that we were just doing what we were told and that it was fear that kept us mentally imprisoned.
You may ask why the government would want to invade Iraq anyway. Two reasons. Oil, and more importantly, territory. There are US military bases being built in Iraq as we speak. The eyes of fear would have you believe that this is all for a reason. It is really no surprise to me that people hate the west. I am not condoning eye for an eye warfare, as the people should never pay the price unless it is their fault, and even then we arent paying attention to individuality. All of this aside, I can understand why people in the East hate the Western world. Afterall, the government is doing whatever they want and most of us are simply letting it happen.
Everything is tied in with this issue. The criminality of cannabis even. In the situation it is now they can never make it legal, as if marijuana was legal, people might get it in their heads that they can actually do something about laws, and the government doesn't want that. In the eyes of the government, conforming, concrete-loving. FOX news-watching hard workers are the best types of citizens. Have you ever seen Office space? Just like most of the people there.
It's a repeating cycle, never ending, infinite. The ONLY way to stop this is either revolution or completely changing our belief system towards the role of government in society.
"It's called the American Dream, cause you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin
I agree with you completely. The only defense is to only take what the government and the press says with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by BathingApes
9/11 was planned. No doubt. The way the buildings came down is proof that there was a controlled demolition, considering the actual explosion or "bomb" that was described by many legitimate witnesses. The size of the impact on the Pentagon does not correlate with the size of an actual airliner and neither does the airliner that allegedly crashed into Pennsylvania soil. If you still think otherwise, you have not done your research, or you couldn't bare to have contempt for a corrupt government that portrays itself as "free." We are far from free, and we never will be, not with the direction this world is headed.
People don't know that thousands of American people have been murdered by their own government. I wonder how we will react when we find out the last 60 years was planned before us.
All these 9/11 conspiracies, what about all the popular mechanics that debunks all the theories? It seems to me a person who buys into this has already made their mind up and is not looking for bias information but a way to bash America or at the current administration.
All the claims George W is an idiot a monkey, moron, He has no clue what he is doing etc. I am sure those people have sat in on all the intelligence meetings and has all the information available to them as the government does.
I think alot of these people are just as I said, America haters and nothing more.
You raise the question of people hating America , do you ever ask yourself why there are so many countries that have a problem with the US ?Quote:
Originally Posted by psykoactive420
Could it be one of these things:
Interference in other countries politics. ?
Being twofaced about Nukes ?
Support for Pinochet ?
Trying to police the world ?
The US goverment is as corrupt as any other goverment.
Do you think anything has changed since the days of testing the effects of nuclear bombs in your own backyard? How many vets from these tests got compensation ?
Civilians unfortunate enough to live downwind from the tests, in towns like St. George, Utah, and Fredonia, Arizona, have also suffered disease and death. They were assured by the Atomic Energy Commission that the radiation would not harm them. But in ensuing years they have been afflicted with an outbreak of cancers and leukemia that could only have come from the test fallout. Yet, like the veterans, they have met a stone wall of governmental denial.