Consensual Sex

(This should probably be posted in the Sexuality forum, I know, but i'd prefer a discussion on the subject as opposed to a load of kids giggling because I used the word sex in the title.)

One thing that gets to me, among many, is how people view sex these days. Sex, on the whole (no pun intended) is seen as something secret, something that's sordid and dirty and should be hidden from public eyes. Even though we all do it (or want to) alot of us are still extremely reserved when it comes to sex.

One of the main reasons sex is in many ways a taboo topic is because of religion, Christianity in particular. Theories state that before Christianity had the place in society that it holds today, the main religions were Mother Nature worshipping religions. Sex was considered the ultimate act of Nature, and the only way for a man and woman to communicate with God. Sex was seen as something holy, or spiritual, and females were considered more attuned to Nature and man's spirituality than males. To demonise these religions Christianity portrayed sex as something horrible, something to be kept secret and hidden away from polite society. Of course Christianity is now the majority religion in many countries of the world, and even people who are not Christian still feel the effects of it in society.

In my opinion sex is the most Natural, beautiful act in Nature. It can also be considered an act of love, the ultimate union between man and woman. So why do people actually believe there is something wrong with it? Children are warned abouth having sex, and in many places it is illegal to have sex up until the ages of 16, 18, or even 21. But why is this? Surely something so natural, so essential for the survival of our race should not, could not be regulated by our governments?

Alot of people believe that these restrictions protect young adults or even children from sexual predators. I disagree. I don't think a rapist or paedophile, just about to attack a child, is going to stop and say "Oh, hang on, but they're only 15!" and then walk away.... Quite the contrary. What makes a paedophile a paedophile is the fact that they perfom these acts on people under the age limit of sexual consent.

So what are these restrictions for? I know they can get a 16 year old guy in trouble for having sex with a 16 year old girl. They can get an 18 year old guy in trouble for having sex with a 17 year old girl. But what good do they do? We all know that many parents abuse their children, it's a sad fact of life. Alot of these sick bastards are caught and punished, but does restricting the age of sexual consent change this in any way? Surely common sense dictates when somebody is doing something wrong; we all have morals, we don't need the government to have morals for us. I imagine we could all tell when somebody is abusing a person as opposed to engaging in a consensual activity.

One thing these restrictions do is to further the feeling that sex is something wrong. I believe that the government should not be able to tell a person when they are ready to have sex; sexual maturity varies from person to person, and in some cases a 14 year old girl could be sexually mature, where as an 18 year old guy might not. If a sexually mature 14 year old wants to have sex then why should anybody, except her parents, be able or allowed to stop her? The same applies for a 14 year old guy. It really pisses me off that governments have taken it upon themselves to regulate and dictate every aspect of our lives... That goes for sex, drugs, anything.

Anyway, i'm rambling now so i'm gonna stop, because i've lost the flow of what I was saying at the beginning.. lol.. this is what having no drugs can do to you, kids!!!...

I'm probably gonna get alot of negative feedback, and it'll probably be something like "you sick fuck, so you think a 50 year old man should be allowed to have sex with a 12 year old?", but please, think about what you say before you say it.

-GHoST-

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Right on man! id love to discuss with you but my head is throbbing and it doesnt want to.

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Originally Posted by l330

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Just a quick observation Ghost. A girl of 14 may be sexually mature, yet she is emotionally and mentally still 14. I know many that married at that age, (young women) I got married and had a child at 16. Believe me, NO teenage girl that young is ready for the responsability and emotional baggage that goes along with it all. That said, it is one thing for a young couple to develope together and invest in a solid relationship but, when an adult takes advantage of the niavette (in this case I mean lack of life experience) of a young person for nothing more than sexual gratification, it does cause damage to the child. It can emotionally screw them up if nothing else. I'm a Mom, I'm a Granny and I have been there. (The views expressed are not necesarrily the views of the live audience). ;)

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

[i]you sick fuck

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ok thats all I wanted to say...... :D



Seriously though...

Yes, there should be laws against it.

I agree that "some" younger people are more mature than others...but most are not...They are not responsible enough to make this decision.



Think about this.....

When a young girl gets pregnant (because they are to irresponsible to use protection)......most of the time the guy shrugs his shoulders and takes off....leaving a fifteen or sixteen year old girl with a baby, no money, and no education..

Then that girls parents have to take care of both children.....then when she grows up a little she still has no education....and usually they end up living a life of poverty and social welfare programs.

Gost wait until you have children......(I mean it).....wait until you have a beautiful little girl of your own.....then watch her grow up......then you may begin to tell me about weather it's a good law or not.

Yeah thats some pretty good points you bring up. The christiantiy has truths although in the 1500's ( or around then) people were very religous and feared their christian god, yet girls betweent he age of 9-14 were often married off to men over the age of 20. So perhaps it wasn't so much christianity as it was changing views on society that made sex "wrong".
I'd also stongly disagree with "we all have mroals so why do we need the goverment to regualte them for us". Quite simply we may all have morals but some are likely to be very very different so laws are created to punish peole who,for e.g, find murder morally acceptable.

I lost my virginity at 12 and i was not ready. If i had any religious moral back then i might have stoped myself but i was living in the modern world where sex was everywhere from the TV, the internet, even my own home. I believe that sex should be between 2 people that love eachother and intend to spend the rest of their lives together. If a young girl and a young boy want to have sex because they are both feeling prossie and no one is there to stop them they will eventually have sex. The girl could have gotten pregnant but dident so she has sex again, only this time she does get pregnant. Whats she gunna do? Will she marry the boy? Most likely no, and the boy would have to work to pay child support to help raise the child. Then neither the girl or boy would be having sex again for a long time. Sucks to be them.

I dont think the US is as sexually repressed as Ghostoker would make it seem. Yes I believe Christianity has made the topic of sex taboo, but at the same we're oversexed as well. Sex is "cool", it can sell everything and anything. Everyone buys porn freely. Oral sex isnt even considered sex anymore and teenage pregnancies are rising, and although theoretically speaking the majority of people are Christian, not many people I know of feel ashamed of having sex or talking about sex, even in high school. Prostitution has been been legalized in the Netherlands and in Nevada. Girls want to be sexy when they're ten and when they hit 14 they start starving themselves. People are getting every imaginable kind of plastic surgery in the world. Id say people in Europe, Canada, and US are some of the most sexually preoccupied people in the world.

Hah, law. As if any fourteen year olds about to have sex suddenly stop and think "HOLD IT THIS IS ILLEGAL WE CAN'T". You're saying that teens this young arn't responsible enough to decide to have sex or realize the consequences that could result from having unprotected sex. You assume however that they're responsible enough to think of the legal consequences that would result if the act were illegal.

I've known plenty of stupid girls who have made stupid decisions, but most of them were still primarily concerned with getting pregnant from having sex as opposed to breaking the law.

Then comes the issue of what age you should be until you can 'responsibly' decide to have sex. Is it 13, 14, 16, 18 or is there no definitive age at all? To determine whether you are responsible enough to have sex would mean you take the precautions to protect yourself against pregnancy or STDs. But plenty of adults have unprotected, irresponsible sex as well, should it be illegal for them too?

Thanks for your replies, guys! :)

Mojavpa, you're right, sex sells. But I think the only reason sex sells is because it's considered 'naughty'. Music videos and commericals go as close as they can to crossing the line and this sells because we have been so sexually repressed for such a long time that it is appealing to us. If sex was just treated as it is then nudity would not neccesarily be related to sex.

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When my daughter is 15 she is not going to care about the law as you have pointed out....but the 23 year old boy sniffing arround her "will" think about the law.....or I will remind him.

likemclever makes a good point.
most people don't understand the seriousness of having sex - fourteen years old or twenty-one years old.
i believe, and not because i'm a virgin, that sex should be had with someone you love and care for. love, though not understood by anyone, takes time. so, for me to have sex it would have to be with a woman that i feel i can share the rest of my life with, although hormones do inspire me to get experience beforehand. i still think that the woman that ends up with me will surely understand and be more than happy to experience me in the ways of having sex. i'm a hopeless romantic.
i'm willing to wait, and if your a virgin you should be able to. i mean, you don't even know what your missing, so how can you want it so bad?

Everyone understands the consequences, some people just choose to go ahead and fuck anyway.

exactly.
for me, 'fucking' isn't the same. how can such a vulgar word be used to describe a seemingly wonderful experience?

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Originally Posted by likemclever

When my daughter is 15 she is not going to care about the law as you have pointed out....but the 23 year old boy sniffing arround her "will" think about the law.....or I will remind him.

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why are you letting a 23 year old around your 15 year old daughter??
and btw a 23 year old is no longer a boy, he is a man...damn hes old enough to have a wife and kids

o you said when, my bad haha

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Thanks for your replies, guys! :)

Mojavpa, you're right, sex sells. But I think the only reason sex sells is because it's considered 'naughty'. Music videos and commericals go as close as they can to crossing the line and this sells because we have been so sexually repressed for such a long time that it is appealing to us. If sex was just treated as it is then nudity would not neccesarily be related to sex.

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I disagree, sex sells because either it feeds a fetish or it represents what has become or is considered "beauty". Unfortunately. The fat fifty year old guy with lots of money spends his money on the hot twenty year old stripper- that's not naughty. Teen girls stick their fingers down their throats and puke because they are trying to look like what the TV tells them is sexy. It goes on and on, but, I don't know too many Americans who are still sexually repressed. It's just become something we all need like SUVs, plasma TV's, 47 pairs of shoes, and big fake boobs.

"you sick fuck, so you think a 50 year old man should be allowed to have sex with a 12 year old?",

I didn't type that, just cut and pasted.

Anyway, overpopulation.

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Originally Posted by nickx760

why are you letting a 23 year old around your 15 year old daughter??
and btw a 23 year old is no longer a boy, he is a man...damn hes old enough to have a wife and kids

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I won't let that happen....

and If I have to than I will use the law to ensure it.

thats what I was saying.

yeah i read it wrong...sorry

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

One thing that gets to me, among many, is how people view sex these days. Sex, on the whole (no pun intended) is seen as something secret, something that's sordid and dirty and should be hidden from public eyes. Even though we all do it (or want to) alot of us are still extremely reserved when it comes to sex.

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I think people are quite candid about sex. If there's reservation I notice it to be out of respect for other people, not because of some sort of sexual oppression.

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One of the main reasons sex is in many ways a taboo topic is because of religion, Christianity in particular. Theories state that before Christianity had the place in society that it holds today, the main religions were Mother Nature worshipping religions. Sex was considered the ultimate act of Nature, and the only way for a man and woman to communicate with God. Sex was seen as something holy, or spiritual, and females were considered more attuned to Nature and man's spirituality than males. To demonise these religions Christianity portrayed sex as something horrible, something to be kept secret and hidden away from polite society. Of course Christianity is now the majority religion in many countries of the world, and even people who are not Christian still feel the effects of it in society.

In my opinion sex is the most Natural, beautiful act in Nature. It can also be considered an act of love, the ultimate union between man and woman. So why do people actually believe there is something wrong with it?

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There is nothing wrong with sex, and I think most woud agree that if 2 or more people wanna go frolick naked together in some passion-enchanted garden, then more power to 'em.
But I dont want to see it. Unless they're hot, lol. Seriously though, I dont want people's passions and sexuality to clutter my day. Im a sexual person, most people are quite sexual, and because of that sex is extremely distracting. If sex is not what you want your focus to be on, the last thing you need are several horny people of various ages fucking in front of you because "sex is beautiful." Sex is fine, but I like the images and events of my own sex life, I dont need images of others at various times that I didnt ask for. I dont need to be sexually excited by all these sexually open-minded people's passions either at times I didnt ask to be.

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Children are warned abouth having sex, and in many places it is illegal to have sex up until the ages of 16, 18, or even 21. But why is this? Surely something so natural, so essential for the survival of our race should not, could not be regulated by our governments?

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They're children. Sex has consequences. Tax-payers dont want to be paying for the mistakes of others. Now you're really off in fairy dust hippy-love land, dude.

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Alot of people believe that these restrictions protect young adults or even children from sexual predators. I disagree. I don't think a rapist or paedophile, just about to attack a child, is going to stop and say "Oh, hang on, but they're only 15!" and then walk away.... Quite the contrary. What makes a paedophile a paedophile is the fact that they perfom these acts on people under the age limit of sexual consent. So what are these restrictions for?

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The law makes it so you can charge the pedophile with the crime. What shit are you smoking, Ghost? ;)

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I know they can get a 16 year old guy in trouble for having sex with a 16 year old girl. They can get an 18 year old guy in trouble for having sex with a 17 year old girl. But what good do they do? We all know that many parents abuse their children, it's a sad fact of life. Alot of these sick bastards are caught and punished, but does restricting the age of sexual consent change this in any way? Surely common sense dictates when somebody is doing something wrong; we all have morals, we don't need the government to have morals for us. I imagine we could all tell when somebody is abusing a person as opposed to engaging in a consensual activity.

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Well, I kinda agree that they shouldn't be treating the 18 yr old boyfriend of the 16 year olf girlfriend as though he were a rapist or something. It's probably best not to piss off your girlfriends parents though... ;)

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One thing these restrictions do is to further the feeling that sex is something wrong. I believe that the government should not be able to tell a person when they are ready to have sex; sexual maturity varies from person to person, and in some cases a 14 year old girl could be sexually mature, where as an 18 year old guy might not. If a sexually mature 14 year old wants to have sex then why should anybody, except her parents, be able or allowed to stop her? The same applies for a 14 year old guy. It really pisses me off that governments have taken it upon themselves to regulate and dictate every aspect of our lives... That goes for sex, drugs, anything.

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Wow. So there's self-sufficient, financially independant 14 year olds out there?
If you arent financially independant enough to be able to handle the financial burden of a baby, you aren't mature enough to have sex and risk having a baby that I'll end up having to pay for because you think you're sexually mature. Pfft.


I gotta have some of whatever you're smoking Ghost. :P

I'm not smoking anything. :(

Wanna have sex? :)

:D

having laws that punish consensual sex between 2 people of the same age is rediculous. two 14 year olds, or two 16 year olds may not have the maturity to deal with a sexual relationship, but this is where we need to instill education and proper moral upbringing. nobody's not going to do it because it's illegal, they're not going to do it because they were raised to be responsible. sending kids to jail for having sex isn't going to change anyting, it's just going to ruin one more persons life because they weren't raised with morals and sense. besides, it's not like spending time in a prison full of social deviates is going to improve their views on sexuality, lets get real. Government, especially the US government, need to get off this childish illogical idea that you can just scare everybody into compliance with threats. it's the same mentallity that punishes us for having a toke in the privacy or our own homes.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

I'm not smoking anything. :(

Wanna have sex? :)

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LOL. Yes, yes I would like to have some of the sex. :D

But which sex? That is the question... :p

More sex.

More sex in public.

More sex on tv.

More sex in the kitchen.

More sex between minors

More sex between 18 and 17 year olds.

More sex!

And thats all i have to say about that.

I know how having sex with somebody under 18 is statutory rape, but isn't there some rule where it's still ok if one person's under 18, one's above, but they're no more than 3 years apart?

The "age of consent" yes, here in Maine it is 14. A girl can marry at 14 with her parents consent also. A young man however has to be 18, odd what?

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Originally Posted by kuulbns

Just a quick observation Ghost. A girl of 14 may be sexually mature, yet she is emotionally and mentally still 14. I know many that married at that age, (young women) I got married and had a child at 16. Believe me, NO teenage girl that young is ready for the responsability and emotional baggage that goes along with it all. That said, it is one thing for a young couple to develope together and invest in a solid relationship but, when an adult takes advantage of the niavette (in this case I mean lack of life experience) of a young person for nothing more than sexual gratification, it does cause damage to the child. It can emotionally screw them up if nothing else. I'm a Mom, I'm a Granny and I have been there. (The views expressed are not necesarrily the views of the live audience). ;)

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Your right Granma.
You know theres more then a handful of people that never really become sexually mature, and many more that dont really "get it" untill mid to late twenties, early thirties even.

I highly doubt anyone 14 is ready for anything, I mean a part time job and school would really be an acomplishment. Never mind grabbing your ankles for a 30 year old guy you met at Burger King whos really cool and has a nice car and listens to your ideas.

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Originally Posted by Canadabis

Never mind grabbing your ankles for a 30 year old guy you met at Burger King whos really cool and has a nice car and listens to your ideas.

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Ha ha ha....nice... :p

Hey, likem, you wanna have sex too?

did someone say sex????

I have your address.....I'll be right over.... :)

actually im on the way out the door......gonna do a little parting......send me some good sex vibes Gost......maybe I'll get lucky and meet someone interesting.....

Hey, well, having sex with you is the least I can do! :D

**sends good sex vibes**

Get them? :p

Have a good night! :)

my sister was nearly 13 n she got a b/f who was 18 we all tried to stop it didnt work police dint wanna dont nothin (im in england) they said it was not worth their time now shes 17 with a baby n hes living it up in portugal
its ok sayin theres laws against it but would help if they enforced em
its gettin more common here now

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Originally Posted by smokey

my sister was nearly 13 n she got a b/f who was 18 we all tried to stop it didnt work police dint wanna dont nothin (im in england) they said it was not worth their time now shes 17 with a baby n hes living it up in portugal
its ok sayin theres laws against it but would help if they enforced em
its gettin more common here now

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holy shit man, an 18 year old dating a 13 year old is just a pedophile.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

**sends good sex vibes**

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:D Good sex vibes....I just laughed so hard I almost swallowed my gum.

For the love of Pete, please send some of those across the pond to me, as well. Please!

Hey maryjanemama, wanna have sex? :)

I wonder how many times I can score in one thread.. :p :D

someones been sticking the shower head up them selfs again...