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I also seen a poster ranting on a certain named caregiver.
all i hear from the opposed is.
"how dare you not charge 350 an ounce you piece of junk"
"how dare you try to take my income away"
listen please
i need someone well versed in mathematics to show and prove to me
how its possible to ascertain an ounce being more than 50 dollars.
im not trying to take food off your plate mr entrepreneur. or money
you plan your bills and life around the money you get from a job or government income. not this supplemental medicine money.
you will not become rich off your card, I promise you that!!!!!!!
your stopped in your tracks
so again i ask of someone with math skills
a summary of
why an ounce should be more than 50 dollars, if no risk tax ,
no middleman tax, hell you pay no tax on it lol ??????
Trust me we ALL want to see $50 OZ BUT, until your giving everyone $50OZ it makes no difference to ANY of US since it wont ever directly effect us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncgysfnshlst
My wife and I made a google document that allows you to import measurements in volume. The document then converts that into how much it cost per plant. We give this to our patients that we added so they can see a visual of where their money is going.
But the trick is converting everything over to a volume. Ie. Measure a tablespoon of soil then weigh it.
For cost of equipment we totaled up everything than divided by 365.5 to get a payment cost that is by day.
Have to fire up and old mac to get that document but I can post it if you want.
also there was a treating yourself article a few months back that showed how Cali cannabis really cost about 30 bucks an ounce to produce. It's not new or groundbreaking. I have talked with about 40 growers from all over north america that say they pay about that when they grow it for them selves.
$50, yeah right. WHat patient/caregiver who is growing MM is going to sell all their meds for $50 an ounce? Next to none , if any. I know I won't be while Im growing a plant that is still illegal federally to grow .
If I sold all my meds for $50 . DO you think all those patients would come to my aid if the DEA raided my grow? WOuld all these patients come pay the thousands of dollars for my legal defense ? Again , probably not . Seems like a lot of patients feel it's there god given right for someone to grow them $50 ounces. WHen they have no idea of the time and dedication to produce this medicine . Do all these patients that expect cheap meds pay for the equipment and setup of a MM grow, no? DO they pay for the 3-4 month electric bills before a crop is even produced? DO they pay for any losses due to disease or mold? Do they lose sleep at times worrying about raids or robbery ? Producing MM is not all fun and games.....
In a perfect world with legal marijuana , I agree $50 is a good number. Now , no way. I bet 80% of patients that if they received $50 an ounce meds, would be reselling at least part of it.
I think a good route is for each CG to have 2 patient slots for low income/ssdi patients. Then use the remaining 3 for patients who can afford a higher compensation to subsidize the low income/SSDI patients.:hippy:
and one more thing! lol (sorry for tripple posting)
This is for one a hobby (growing) So youâ??re going to get the guys that like to treat it like a hobby. Think of hot rods and the guys that do this with their money and their cars. Do you really need a bad ass ride to get you where you want to go? No! you can get a 4 cylinder eco car to get to point A/B that is much cheaper to buy and run. But no matter what you will get the guys that want the best for their plants and their return so yes a 200 dollar bag of plant matter can cost that much and cost 50 dollars.
We are growing this plant under strict prohibition! So yes what we learn and how we grow is from that point of view of growing. You want to spend allot on this hobby to get the best for your return because there is so much at stake.
The horror story that changed me from giving out 38 dollar ouncesâ?¦ The lady just turned around and re sold it. Payed off her bills and then said she had no money so I compassionately would just give it to her. Until she burned threw that ounce in less than four days and called me for more. I do agree that we should just give it to no added patients but like everything, know the person you are dealing with! Maybe even create small circles of friends to help each other out when your in-between harvest then re-gift when you up and running again. Asking for money is going to get us all in trouble and we are going to lose our rights to grow.
Giving out a list of people to the police is breaking hippa law and you will be sued by everybody that you would rat out!
wow some people are feeling pretty High and mighty... not for nothing but if you're yielding 4 ounces a plant i dont think you're ever gonna have to worry about compensating for mmj. can we not make problems worse? I'm a newly carded patient trying to acquire medicine in which i haven't found for under 300 yet and messages like this to "those type of people" aren't really helping the situation for those in need at all especially no w/ no dispensaries.
DO you have any idea what it takes to get 4 ounces a plant? Seems probably not . Yields on plants are strain specific , dependent on growing style , and amount of light . Your not gonna run a 600w with 20 plants and get 4 oz a plant, sorry . To get 4 zips a plant off of 12 plants you would need around 2-4000watts of light . That's also if you know what your doing a and have a high yielding pheno . Then with all those plants and light you also need a huge dehumidifier , massive a/c and lots of other equipment. Not as easy as peop[le make it seem .
or as cheap to setup / run.
It wont happen..Find a caregiver that offers what you need at what your comfortable with..I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN OZ UNDER 220 and it was OK quality 265 is the LOWEST I got THAT WAS GOOD QUALITY,STILL NOT ALL THAT CHEAP.These $50-$150 OZs are PIPE DREAMS literally. you might get 1 single OZ at that but i dont see many or any caregivers doing OZs at this price.I wont reply to this tread until i see some one SAY.I FOUND THE GOLDEN EGG.And then find out that he will offer US ALL these prices.I hate when people come in here and say oh i can do em at this cost or my guy has it at this cost.BS prove it.and it helps no one but you that you found this dream of a caregiver..Quote:
Originally Posted by SoloDolo
I believe that your number is pretty close once you already have an established system, the right phenom's selected and an automated system. Just about every grower I know does not track the time taken to maintain a crop. When I've broken it down for pretty much all of them, they are always shocked when I strart putting a price tag on their time. One guy was completely blown away at the fact he was spending more than $400 an oz. (He makes good $$$) on his med's.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixfromCC
Most of Cali cannabis is manufactured which always keeps cost low. Yet, I'm still shocked to see that no one realizes that MM is still illegal on a federal level and no one is really protected? With risk comes a higher price tag. I don't believe anyone should be paying more than 200 though, 100 price range is nice and reasonable, but, not if your on disability.
Even some of the CC applicants have meds for $50 or less an oz for certain individual's.
But, the reality is, it costs way more than 50 an oz. when your starting out. If you start with too little cash flow, you can take forever to adapt to problems and kill production. Quality bud takes some people years to figure out and the only way to expedite the process is with cash flow.
Again, its a business, you just don't launch out of the starting gate with top quality meds at maximum production from day one. It takes time, time is $$$. Some CG's have to recoup costs of start-up which could run some people tens of thousands of dollars if they do it right and have little DIY skills. A pharmasutical grade grow room for 12 plants in a perpetual system could run you up to 20K easy! So, the price really depends on the grower and the product. Granted, 350 is a ripe off in either case, but a case for 150 to 200 an oz. meds is an easy one to make. (Again, you need to save up in case you need legal help!!!)
Remember, we are all learning, $40 an oz for meds is a best case scenario with a lot of luck. You don't know the quality of the meds and again, as with everything, it is subject to interpretation. My AAA MM may be different than your AAA MM. How can you judge unless you've tasted the goods???:thumbsup:
Besides, we have weight limits here in RI which would change your math considerably. Granted you can have a plant that yields 5oz., yet you can only have two plants if you use weight guidines and not plant count as your guidline (Of which is what you are technically suppose to do). 12 plants would put anyone over the weigh limits easy, if your legit and follow the law the math alone would be a pain in the assets just to stay within the guidlines.
I'm not even going to touch that paradigm...lol:wtf:
There is a way though that would make everyone happy and I can assure you it is coming. Just someone please help this guy out with some more affordable med's... It is a crime to charge 350 an oz. regardless when the patient is on disability. Good luck and don't be trick by numbers. After all 40 growers out of a million, you only have about a .0004% chance of your math being correct, statistically speaking of course...lol
:hippy:
yup 4 oz a plant = all the extra cost that go with it. A 600 watt bulb covers 10 plants/1 oz a plant nicely and I do not need a a/c humidifier... this plant does not need this outdoors and grows pretty well on it's own in a ever changing mother nature environment.
I am not for or against anybody that charges. But we are not the ones that asked you to join a medical cannabis program without your own game plan.
on the black market it will cost you about 500 a oz easy and you help kill people and support the drug war. With our gray market if it cost 200 an oz you are supplying your local economy and nobody dies.
I shop at price rite because I cannot afford whole foods. Why can't you guys think like that? And if that doesn't settle with you then help end the drug war, help us fight to get this stuff fda approved then caregivers and dispensaries will go away! And health care will pay for cannabis like it did before it was made illegal.
First of all, you people type to damn fast for me, started posting an saw like three strings pop up before I was done....Quote:
Originally Posted by hghflyrjd1
Second, I may have found one that charges 200 an oz. Have bought a few oz.s, different strains. AAA, a little dry but very nice. New crop coming down so I will do a little more research and let you know. They have openings for more patients so I may share in a little while once a relationship is formed.
So, it is not a pipe dream, it just a hard one to find... Looking since summer, have solicited dozens of CG's, only found one that has been consistant at the 200 mark. That should give you an indication as to how hard it is to find one. I personally plan on becoming a CG once I get my crop growing, when finished, I plan on selling MM at around the 150 range with a sliding scale for those who are less fortunate.
The biggest difference is, I know how to do it right and push those prices across the board legally. When I'm ready, I will share the love so don't fret...
Cheap med's will be hear by summer time if you get off you butts, read the applications and write letters to your local congress or choose to speak at the hearing supporting those CC applicants that seem to have the best prices. Strains can always be added, the price of MM is what affects us most!!!
alright well maybe there was no health care back then
"First of all, you people type to damn fast for me, started posting an saw like three strings pop up before I was done...."
lol
over 3 years in this movement ......
and this is still the conversation ......
sad
real sad
all very poor excuses:
no 1 dies
strain specific
wont happen
you need to fund my 10,000 grow room and future expansions
ill need 400 this month alone to purchase new seeds
listen
if i pay the high prices you say it takes to produce an easy 4 oz plant
and all the equipment that i have to pich in for
AM I BUYING STOCK IN YOUR GROW OP ? nope you keep it in the end.
so?????? do i care if you buy expensive seeds or not NO
do i care if you want to spend too much money without proper research of necessity vs cool setup. NO
do i care about you being mad at me NOPE
will the price hysteria prevail, YOU BET YOUR ELBOW SON
you are growing your own under those lights, you are using those
nutes on your plants as well
why should we foot the entire list, or even more than 1 percent ?
your electric is not my priority either
minus your washer dryer lights in house heat supply tv's cable boxes so on and so forth . the differential is a little bit of a purpose for small donations maybe
you all have the answers except the simple list
or summary
WHAT IS THE REASON YOU THINK THE OUNCES OF WEED
ARE MORE THAN 50 DOLLARS.
CMON SMARTY PANTS
just scream the obvious, you thought you will make money
now you know your not
go cry about it and tell everyone else to stop being greed monsters and liars
scary how sheep just follow
and then someone speaks up like me and all of a sudden
HES A WITCH, BURN HIM LOL
Golden egg at 200 I was talking about these $50 OZ yea u found 1 caregiver at 200 out of dozens and it took you a long time to find him.Quote:
Originally Posted by theccman
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncgysfnshlst
Read the rant section...only one thing to that poster...Whoever he is needs to keep it anonymous cause hes a fuckin RAT. Talking about turning ppl in and doing surveillence. You f-ing rat I hope I do see you at a meeting YOU better believ I will call you out. Damn the caregivers and patients, screw the arguements this guys a rat, period.!
I dont see a rant section I did see someone crying about what some caregiver on craigslist is charging.post a link ied love to see this and put THESE RATS in there place.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCaveman
Cut and pasted from craigslist. For the rest of you, stop posting in craiglist info on prices and grows. It is not secure and craiglist will not protect you from investigation which is easily tracked to your isp. by any mid level tech as me. I surely hope you didn't register your real name to the craiglist account. I sense unorifessionallism and fear now.
if you sell medical marijuana for more than (ri)
Date: 2011-01-26, 12:14AM EST
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if you sell medical marijuana for more than 50 an ounce
i hope you die in your sleep
SCUMBAG
i have been making a list everyone
i go to a lot of meetings
know who sells to who and for how much
been there at the meetings now for 2 years plus
you all love the shit out of me, however i am tired
sick and fucking tired of the john gotti life styles these caregivers and
ripac drug cartel seem to think their entitled to.
NOPE
if not soon, i dont start seeing the prices shift from 300+
down to less than 100 to start
I AM GOING TO PUT AN END TO YOUR CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
WITH THE LIST BEING FAXED TO EVERY FACET OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. FEDS INCLUDED AS WELL AS THEIR BUDDIES IRS
ARE YOU PAYING TAXES ON ALL THOSE OUNCES ? WHERE ARE YOUR MARIJUANA TAX STAMPS ?
DO I FUCKING STUDDER
DIDNT I FUCKING TELL YOU THE PARTY IS OVER
no, NO, NO you are not getting rich no longer
get a job scumbag
you are not anything new to the world
you will be ridiculed
you will have no friends
you will be the village idiot
you will be in prison
PostingID: 2180604018
- Location: ri
- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Fuckin SNITCH IF I SEEN YOU, STATE YOU POSTED THIS I BET YOU SURE AS HELL WONT..SNITCHES GET STITCHES..DID I STUDDER..,If you post shit like this you deserve ALL that comes to you..UN REAL..The streets are watching.Ever heard that.This guy prolly hides behind his computer and hides at the meetings smiling in everyone's faces.He was prolly forced to pay 300+ for a while and now that he finally has his own grows he wants everyone else to give up there meds at prices he thinks he should get it at.I bet he doesnt even caregive for anyone or give up is own meds at 50 bucks a pop.Man i think i gotta find a new forum to deal with cause these folks are down right on some silly kid shit..I think since he cant sell his at 400 he doesn't want anyone else to.All this is of no effect to me,Im no caregiver,so F this guy,but i would punch him in the face if he stood up and admit to this childish post.wow what a PUSS.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCaveman
This will be my last post toward anything OTHER then my own.This is just getting outta hand.This guy is risking peoples freedom and families over a lil MJ.Get a Life.Mind your own Business.I will read but NOT post no matter ow bad i wanna add my 2cents.Craziness.Put 10 people in jail 10 more will take there spots.its a never ending battle.Dont waste your time.Step into the light and speak.I bet he wont
sad
I don't think your a witch, it's just obvious that you not only don't want to listen and you clearly cannot understand which is fine by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncgysfnshlst
YOUR COST OF $50 PER OZ IS NUT'S RIGHT NOW AND WILL BE UNTIL IT IS ACTUALLY TRULY LEGAL EINSTEIN!!!!! I have no intereset in making money, I'm not going to waste it with another part-time job with little benefit to me other than some free medicine? I buy more medicine than I need and give it to others for free when I can. I plan on growing and becoming a CG just to push a program that will offer med's at cost but your $50 is unfortunately led by a series of failed attempts to thoroughly research the reality of MM. (But I guess you don't care about your poorly failed research which gave you that ficticious number....right?):thumbsup:
So to make it clear as to why the cost's should go up when you take on another patient let me be clear.
More plants + more light & nuet's = more $$$
More plants = more time spent on each plant
More patients = more problems.
It's called common sense, your post was already clearly answered with sound logic advice yet you call us a bunch of smarty pantz when you refuse to acknowledge the truth that was printed before!
Pesonally, I almost got robbed once and had heard of 3 250 CG's getting robbed, so how much is your safty worth brainiac??? One person was already shot and killed regardless of the CG's or alleged thief's presona.
If its so easy to do and your all high and mighty then simply start talking a bunch of junk and start doing it!
Until you can prove it with hard facts, not just a bunch of contrived BS with numbers gotten off a bunch of chatrooms filled with poser professionals, then shut your trap until you get a clue...(sorry father) God it's people like you that get my goat.
For cryin out loud, the equipment we so called "Keep forever" doesn't last forever you clown! Most of it dies off in less than a year and cost's 100's of dollars to replace. The annual cost of a decent quality perpetual system for more than one patient could run into the thousand's of dollar easy?
I've done the research and worked the numbers, I will charge 150 to 200 an oz. cover all my equipment cost and the time needed until they are paid infull. At which time I would charge an average of 100 to 200 depending on how much you earn while still offering a few slot that will only recommend patients donate around 50 to 100. I will be giving plenty of free med's to the severely impoverished as well. If my other program works well enough, even lower.
So, am I a Scumbag???
I find it ironic how you claim that others are creating a witch hunt when it sound's more like your the one trying to recruit for one.... It's very telling;)
For someone that doesn't care about the CG's cost, you sure seem to be jonesing for the end product!!! Nothing worse than a pothead scorned I guess...:mad: Your question's were answered. If you were smart, you'd read the applicants for the compassion center's, look at the mm costs accross the country before you start to publish your misinformation with such confidence. It makes you look stupid!!!
Cali charges up to $65 for an eigth an oz. RI is actually on the lower side of the equation even at 300 an oz. Why, because you will need big $$$ if your case goes Fed. Plain and simple... Why do they charge such high prices....so poeple can't flip their medicine for profit on the side!!! Why does it cost do much, because it is still an illegal controlled substance!!! You MM card is not a get outta jail free card buddy, it's just a plastic card with no weight beyond the RI border.
Ironically, the guy who posted the craigslist has more power than you can imagine and he could very well do what he is saying he will do and be quite effective at it. Yet, just another reason why the cost is so high. With head cases out their like this, a lot of good people are going to go down because some idiot heard through a friend that the cost of MM is less than $20. Only to realize that actual costs they came up with was from one of those massive manufacturers of MM with hundreds to thousands of plants being knocked off like an assembly line production plant.
Like I said buddy, do you homework before you print such defamitory statements. The real cost for MM on a small scale of less than 12 flowering plants per 2 month flower cycle is about 50 to 100 per plant with only 1 light which should equal about 1 to 3 oz a plant if your lucky (depending on the wattage). Your numbers are accurate, just not for the low production level of a legitimate CG.... Now if you illegitimate, then the numbers are completely different...lol
So please, get you facts straight before you try to start a witch hunt:cool:
:hippy:
Whhoooooooaaaaaaaa!!!!!! What is all this!
You walked into a battlefield...lol Some guy talking a bunch of smack about how it doesn't cost more than 20 an oz. to grow and we shouldn't be charging more than 50?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldHead09
Personally, I'm not a CG yet and I'm still offended by this rhetoric!!!! I've done the math, know the grow and the lowest I could offer is meds in the 100to 200 range or 150 even across the board in order to stay legal.
I wouldn't have unloaded on the clown if they didn't try to pretty much start a movement to rat out all the CG charging more than 50 an oz. How Insanely Ignorant Are They!!!:wtf: They better be very careful, because we all know that there are CG's who are not really CG's. Burn a real CG, likely no recourse. Burn a drug dealer, expect payback.
$50 an oz., please, maybe in a few years but right now be happy we're not paying Cali prices...
I am having a difficult time following people's line of thought here? Marijuana is legal to an extent on state level. Let us be happy about that. Fifty dollars or 300 dollars an ounce there are so many of us that are registered patients and caregivers everybody ends up with different choices. I have to be in complete agreement with hyflyer (sp.) a snitch does deserve special treatment. Remember that every patients arrest takes the program two steps back. Sounds to me that whoever the craigslist poster is that he or she needs to grow more weed and stop buying it. What his excuse besides he is a dealer who wants a better profit line. I know personally I took the route of growing my own when 300 to 400 an ounce no longer became a viable option due to costs of Med strains. Be self sufficient at least, if a person isn't happy and that angry he or she should be motivated enough to learn farming. Hell if the person spent as much time typing stupid nonsensible rants and posted grow questions he/she would probably end up growing that 50 ounce.....In addition it sounds that we in the forums know whom this poster is.....
right on oldhead again your words sum up allot!:thumbsup:
Looks like you guys got someone else new to hate on! LOL:rastasmoke:
LOL....Welcome back my friends to the show that never endsQuote:
Originally Posted by caregiversri
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!- Emerson Lake and Palmer
Yeah, And rightfully so! WTF is up with this cat? I see people banned from here for little shit. This guy is posting about infiltrateing patient meetings for 2 years and keeping a list of who's who.Then threatening to turn it over to LEO and the IRS. I spoke with a certain lady at RIPAC to inform her of the infestation and they know who it is.The best part is she is going to give him his 15 minutes at the next meeting.Yeah,thats right it's open mic night soon for you to adress the GOTTI'S and thier CAPO'S. IMO you shouldn't worry about the price cg's sell THIER meds for.You shold be pissed off at the price Walmart charges for the Lithium you truely need!Don't forget about open mic night.Nothing worse than a FUCKING RAT.See YA Soon!!!:admin1:Quote:
Originally Posted by caregiversri
Weed em out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kodabear
OH YEA im there for sure 100% do doubt, count me in, roger that, 10-4, A-Ok what ever term you understand I WILL BE THERE TOO.
When is this next meeting?
when and where? i haven't been to any meetings yet.
I think it would be appropriate for the cheese eater to grow a pair and let us all know which meeting he plans on slithering out from behind his computer screen to step up to the guillatine.Oh I meant microphone.I think it may be appropriate to post a link to this thread for all the other med states on this site.includeing his post on craigslist about being an infiltrating narc RAT!He will soon find his name famous in the mmj community across the country.:S4:
you pieces of trash greedy jerks are going to ruin everything
with making this whole thing sour
they gave us the rope and collectively we hung ourselves
too many chefs making the soup
not enough compassion
too much bullshit
you all laugh at me thats fine
when your left with mildew ridden weed and no friends to smoke it with
you will be sorry
everyone realizes you are the bad guys
they know im not trying to be a keyboardtough guy or a troll
i am trying to help everyone gain a proper understanding
what is happening
you really think the word isnt getting to the big wig politicians that the suppliers are all greedy weasels and the program is going down faster than the zeppelin in a similar fashion.
om effin god so help me if my life dream is crushed due to
a couple of you........(.)
the magic question:
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CHOOSE TO PAY IN EXCESS OF 150 DOLLARS FOR WEED ?
you are the guys selling it, no one is stupid here boys and girls.
admit it, we may respect you more
and this is ri not some other state so leave their prices out of this cc
just another excuse from the man.
your selling it too apparently, jot that down lol thanks
"If its so easy to do and your all high and mighty then simply start talking a bunch of junk and start doing it! "
why are you all doing wrong from the get go ?
and not right as any human being would do and as i propose
you all have shown your true colors, you are monsters
i am going to put an end to the greed, guaranteed !