pix need some advice

[INSpectaDeck]

so this guy is hopefully going to get big pretty soon, he is about six inches, it sprouted about 3-4 weeks im concerned with a few things although, i noticed the bottom of the main stem is kinda smaller then the rest. so what i did was leaned it agains a stick and threw some more dirt over it for support, if someone has any ideas why im open for an opion. im also hoping if anyone could identify if it is a sativa or indgo plant, i am going to try and get more photos of the surroundings, lighting and the smaller plants. thanks for looking!:jointsmile:

INSpecta+Deck

[bongerstonerd00d]

GET a fan blowing gently on the plants. That will make the stems become thicker and stronger. Look awfully spindly also, how far away are the lights, and what kinds of lights are they under ?



b0nger

[INSpectaDeck]

umm id say the lights are about six inches to a foot away, i been looking for a good fan to use but i cant come across one small enough. i am useing one 100 watt regular bulb, and another 150 watt bulb a friend bought from a nersery. . .he said it was some kind of grow bulb, im looking into HPS bulbs and my buddys got one but the bulb wouldent fit in any regular lamp, i was woundering also if you can buy a high pressure sodium bulb that would fit in a regular household lamp??

[r00tdoctor]

Your plant is so streched out probally because the lighting your using . You say your using a 100watt light bulb so im suspecting it is just a plain jane house incadecent, and im also suspecting the 150watt is one of those crappy incadecent grow bulbs. Your plants are strechy because the lighting isnt at the right spectrum (kelvins) and your plants are streching to try and seek out better sources of light. You need to upgrade your lighting.

You can get a 2-pack of 26 watt CFL (compact florecent) bulbs at walmart for like $6.50 Get bulbs that are in the 6500k range (walmarts "GE brand" 6500k Cfl bulbs say "daylight" on the package) , a extension cord for like $1.50 , and a 2 way socket adapter for like $1.50 , and you can get to socket plugs for about $1.25 each (a socket plug is basically a light socket that you can plug into a wall outlet).All of that is availible in the lighting section of walmart. Like $12 bucks total that should allow you to vegg the plant well.

As for Hps bulbs your going to need a ballast they dont work in normal light sockets , if you choose to use one. And you plant looks indica dominant to me.

[Bodom Children Of]

why you keeping a "he" as you refer to it as? buds come from females. are you wasting your time or wrongly referring to your marijuana plant. or are you some breeder? :wtf:

Use the search option for questions...

[INSpectaDeck]

well im not sure if it is a he or she. . .ov course i hope its a she but i guess i say he so i dont jinx it:rastasmoke:

[letsburn06]

Yes like rootdoctor said u need to get some cfl's...that will help out your plant alot and there are strecthed to much thats why the stem is so small.But yea like he said go to walmart and get yourself some cfl's..cool white for veg n warm white for flowering...and you could use both of them for veg and flower and would be even better....good luck

[INSpectaDeck]

thanks guy i might as well already have them. . .no crap i could use these warm white ones for flowering?? if thats the case im gonna be set is there a curtian warm cfl i should look for and what is the costs these are gonna do on my pocket??. . .i got the cool ones down but any information on flowering lights and such is a great help and would be much appreacated:D thanks!!!

INSpectah+Deck

[r00tdoctor]

At walmart you can get the reddish spectrum cfl's (2700k spectrum) for flowering. They go by the name "ge" soft white , the "ge" soft white 100's (26 watt each) come in 2-packs for around $6.50 , or you can get the bigger "ge" soft white 150's (45 watts each) for around 8.50 but thats for a single bulb.

I would recommend getting the 26-watt 2-packs its a little cheaper and you get more lumens out of two 26 watt bulbs. For flowering one plant I would say four of the "GE Soft White 100" (reddish 2700k spectrum)26 watt cfl's , and two of the "GE 26 watt Daylight cfls" (Blueish 6500k spectrum) should work out nicely. You wont get as much bud as you would with HPS flowering with Cfl's but there are many growers who make nice harvest with Cfl's. And its cheap for a beginner.

Also walmart gots light timers for like $5 , which you'll need for the 12/12 flowering cycle.

[INSpectaDeck]

oh okay thanks alot your a big help. . .but is there any way that you can just use the CFL soft whits threwout the whole growing proccess?? i been looking for these reddish cfl lights online as u been telling me but i cant seem to find them. . .maybe u can show me a link or somthing. . .if u have AOL AIM my screen name is in my profile u should hit me up

thanx! thanx! thanx!

[r00tdoctor]

Your best bet is to use The daylight blueish spectrum ones for veg , or a mix of both during veg. Maryjane likes alot of blueish spectrum light during veg, and alot of reddish spectrum light during flower.

Here are some quick pics i found you. Note that these are similar packs that you'll see at walmart. They look the same just diffrent wattage / Pack sizes.

Here are what the Ge daylight 100's look like (walmart has the 26 watt ones in 2 packs) (these are 13 watt ones but get the 2-packs of 26 watt ones) The packaging is the same. Just this is a 6-pack of 13watt ones. (the blueish 6500k spectrum ones)
Sam's Club - GE Daylight 13 Compact Florescent - 3 - 2pks (http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=340461&pCatg=7210)


Here are what the Ge soft white 100's look like (walmart sells them in 2 and 3 packs) ( 2700k reddish spectrum bulbs)The packaging is the same exept there in 2 or 3 packs at walmart.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/store3-store_1931_9369681

[INSpectaDeck]

dude your the man. . .ill keep you updated, i am very satisfied with your help:thumbsup: just to clear somthing up tho the link on the top is good for veg and the ones on the bottom are good for flowering correct?

[r00tdoctor]

No problem , I researched cfl's for a couple months before I started growing indoors. Ive just recently joined these forums but have been reading for a long time and am working on my first grow in about 8 years. You should stop by my thread and tell me what you think im a lil rusty at growing but im slowly getting my skills back , indoor growing is alot diffrent then outdoor growing and things changed alot in those 8 years.

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/104584-first-cfl-bagseed-grow.html

Notice in my pics how the "daylight 100" cfls keep my plants node length close together and how there stems dont really strech at all.

[r00tdoctor]

Yes the top link are the "Ge daylight" ones that are good for vegg.
And the bottom link are the "ge soft white" ones that are good for flowering.

[INSpectaDeck]

thank you very much.

[INSpectaDeck]

yeah so im pretty heated right now,i jus got word my buddys dogg ate the bottom two leafs off my plant im going to have to start my whole thing all over again. . .althogh i wasent growing it right it looked like it was going to be a bangin plant, someone tell me the odds that my plant was female is slim so maybe i can get over it a lil better and not killa mutt tomrrow

[letsburn06]

odds were pretty much 50/50

[INSpectaDeck]

doy you think that it is possible that mine lives even tho some leafs are gone. . .or would u recomend thast i just start all over

[FreeVenice]

You know I have heard so many times that those kind of reflectors just eat up light, but I see so many people on this site that use them. . .

[INSpectaDeck]

well u know. . .i herd the same, but i still use them,, theyre actually peices of wrapping paper, its like a plastic materal not alunium foil. . .bit it seems to reflect light rather good. . .

thanks for lookin:cool:

[letsburn06]

I think you plant could stil live...ppl trim and take cuttings from their plant and it still lives so i think urs should stil be able to live.

[ghostofduke]

Yes the top link are the "Ge daylight" ones that are good for vegg.
And the bottom link are the "ge soft white" ones that are good for flowering.
im very sorry to complicate the matter but i believe your wording of the bulbs is incorrect, its true that flowering bulbs are 2700k or lower, but these are not labeled "soft white" they are known as "warm white", the "soft white" refers to the neutral color around 3500k-4000k used in the home, though these can still be used for growing it is not the best spectrum that the warm white 2700k puts out, i hope these links help, 23/27K Spiral - 23/27 Spiral (http://www.bulbs.com/eSpec.aspx?ID=12902&Ref=Spirals+%26+Bent+Tubes&Ref2=Compact+Fluorescent+Screw-in) 23/50K Spiral - 23/50 Spiral (http://www.bulbs.com/eSpec.aspx?ID=13120&Ref=Spirals+%26+Bent+Tubes&Ref2=Compact+Fluorescent+Screw-in)
23W/ELS-M/41K (Mini) - G387011 (http://www.bulbs.com/eSpec.aspx?ID=11438&Ref=Spirals+%26+Bent+Tubes&Ref2=Compact+Fluorescent+Screw-in)

[letsburn06]

Yes thats wat i thought cuz i said in my reply it was warm white but when he said soft white i thought i was wrong and didnt say anything...thanks for clearing that up for us

[r00tdoctor]

Hello ghostofduke , the information I gave him is correct. I would not have given him information that I wasnt positive about. You are going by somewhat outdated information on cfl's (at least in the usa) there are more terms than "warm" and "cool" nowadays. The energy star rating program , which cfl bulb manufacturers must use if they want there cfl's energy star rated mandates the clf's be called certain things or have the kelvin rating on the package or both.

Here is a link to the the manufacturers specs of the "GE soft white" cfl bulbs. Note the kelvin rating is 2700k , which is good for flowering.
80891 - Specifications - GE Commercial Lighting Products (http://genet.gelighting.com/LightProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=COMMERCIALSPECPAGE&PRODUCTCODE=80891)

Here is a link to us goverment energystar cfl bulb guidelines in pdf form.
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/prod_development/revisions/downloads/cfls/lrc.pdf

One more thing I recommended these bulbs to him because the GE bulbs
(the "GE daylight" and "GE soft white" Cfl's) are available in every walmart in the usa and walmarts are everywhere here. GE partnered with walmart to get people to use cfl's so there in every walmart in the usa.

[INSpectaDeck]

yes yes but today a quite nice thing happend, i managed to get ahold of a 400 watt high pressure soduim bulb and lamp. . .im woundering if i can use this lamp for the whole grow process??? i was also very happy when i went to my friends house where my plant is located and he told me he was only breaking balls about my plant being eaten:D

[notorious P.O.T]

i would probably start over any way(not being a dick or anything.. its an honest mistake) .. that plants pretty stretched.. and u say its 4 weeks old...get u some cfl's and start over .. believe me it will be worth it.. and keep the cfls within a couple of inches from the plant .. this will keep it bushy and stop the stretch...

[r00tdoctor]

INSpectaDeck, here is a suggestion since you now have a 400watt hps. You should use that for flower, and in another location uses a few 26watt "GE daylight cfl's" for vegg. That way you can grow out clones/seeds/vegg plants with the daylight cfl's while you have your other plants flowering with the 400watt hps.

You could Vegg under hps if you wanted to , but the node space will be farther apart (aka streched out farther) then if you vegged under cfl's that are in the 6500k spectrum ( the GE daylight 100's) Remember with cfl's to keep the lights approx 3-6" from the plants that will make them grow nice and bushy.

If you use this method I suggested you will be able to harvest bud approx. every two month's. (when one crop is finished flowering , you grab the plants that you have in vegg and put them in flower, vegging more plants while the crop is flowering)

The Vegg chamber dont got ta be huge either if your just growing a couple plants n maybe a few clones a 2'lengthx1'widthx2.5'height
Grow box will be all you will need,You could use a cardboard box many people do just make sure you have proper ventilation. put four-six 26 watt "GE daylight 100" cfl's in there and you will have a great vegg box.

[letsburn06]

Yes you can use a hps light for the whole grow but mh is better for veg and hps better for flower or hps n mh for flower n veg is even better

[INSpectaDeck]

thanks alot. . .i got a question about this HPS bulb. . . it looks kinda "heavy duity" do you think this thing is going to run up my electric bill being on for 12 hours a day?? my friend has this at his house (the place my plant and is) mini green house and was thinking we soould make it a mini veggie room. it has three shelfs and is approx. 5' hight at its highest point with a kinda ^ shaped top(im sure u know wut i mean), and basicly all the same mesurment u said it should be. and of course it is all clear plastic sourrounding it i was thinking about cutting holes in it and putting flc bulbs right in it. . .is that a good idea??. . .ill try to get some pix of it so maybe u can give me some ideas.

thanks again

INS

[INSpectaDeck]

I now have 4 CFL "daylights" i bought, they are so bright its unbelivable. . .im really in a huge debate weather to get rid of my tallest plant and start a new one like notorious suggested, im hopin with the new lights that it will just start to grow in right. im probaly going to just give it a few weeks n if the progress dosent look good ill just nuke it lol

[TheGanjaKing420]

thanks alot. . .i got a question about this HPS bulb. . . it looks kinda "heavy duity" do you think this thing is going to run up my electric bill being on for 12 hours a day?? my friend has this at his house (the place my plant and is) mini green house and was thinking we soould make it a mini veggie room. it has three shelfs and is approx. 5' hight at its highest point with a kinda ^ shaped top(im sure u know wut i mean), and basicly all the same mesurment u said it should be. and of course it is all clear plastic sourrounding it i was thinking about cutting holes in it and putting flc bulbs right in it. . .is that a good idea??. . .ill try to get some pix of it so maybe u can give me some ideas.

thanks again

INS



Yes, it will definitely put your electric bill up, depending on how much you pay per KWH, it could be from 15-30 a month.

[INSpectaDeck]

thanks man, thats wut i figured.

[notorious P.O.T]

hey inspectah.. also dont handle the hps bulb with your bare hands.. the oils from your fingers will get on the bulb.. then while the bulb is on the oils could heat up and cause the bulb to explode...

[INSpectaDeck]

yes thanks alot for looking out, i seen a video about it on youtube.com "how to grow green" a very educational video. i just cant till im ready to use it!! its just gonna be collecting dust for now though. i want to thank anyone and everyone who helps me on my quest.

thanks again to all my real peoples who have the time to put there 2 cents because it reallyyyy makes the diffrence to me

holler at your motha fcukin boyyyyy!!

INSPECTAHHHH

[r00tdoctor]

I knew you would think those daylight bulbs are bright , lol. Im glad you decided to get them. Post some pics when you get them set up I want to know how your grow goes.

[INSpectaDeck]

yes most deff rootdoctor im gonna try and get some pix of the setup tomrrow or somthing. . .i planted a new seed today, it was probly from some mid grade weed, hopefully i can make the best of it lol

[Pezzo]

this ur log or havent u started one? i didnt start mine untill a while in

[INSpectaDeck]

okayyy so heres whats up, , ,number 1 is the replacement of streched plant, its looking so much better since b4 i used the cfls, plant 2 i noticed that the leaves are kinda curling under, i know its probly something stupid im hoping some one could tell me about that. plant 3 is looking good to my standards. . .and plant 4 has really thick leaves, im thinking it is indica dominate. the 5th pic is of the closet and my setup, the light on the floor is basiclyy for heat, im finally gettin a fan tomrrow i really need one.:D

[notorious P.O.T]

very nice.. keep those cfl's nice and close.. aim the fan to rotate on the plants and it will have a triple purpose.. thicken/strengthen the stems .. keep the heat under control (enables you to get the cfl's really close without burning).. and circulate stale air..

[INSpectaDeck]

thanks bro, the fan that i am going to be using is a small window fan (it dosent rotate) and from wut my boy said its a powerful little fan. we were talking about putting it on the top of the closet and letting it blow down mon the plants on its lowest setting, im sure it will improve the air circulation throughout the closet

[r00tdoctor]

Inspectadeck looking nice bro , you got a fan on those plants yet? Make sure you do cuz even those lil cfl's can build up a lot of heat givin a few hours in a small space.

What kinda soil mix are you using? How often are you watering? And what is the closet temp? PH? Do u let your tap water sit out over night before you water (to rid the water of clorine)?. You havent started fertilizing yet have you? Im trying to diagnose what that secong plants problem is but its kinda hard to without more info. My guess is its a lil overwatered or maybe it is a little too hot. Maybe that foil/mylar is reflecting the heat from the lamp and making the leaves a little to warm. It doesent look like its nute burned the leaves,they show no signs of over-fertilization so I dont think you have fertilized yet (which is good). Make sure you get a fan in there asap.

[INSpectaDeck]

Rootdoctor, i am going to be putting a fan in there today, i am not even sure wut kindaa soil im using, im going to have to trans plant into a bigger pot soon, and i will probaly buy new soil. . .any suggestions on what kinda soil i shoul buy??? i been watering my plant once every other day or so, how often shoul i be watering??? i do try and let tap water sit over night, and i add a little bit of piss into the mixture, i have a mirical grow plant food. it is a 7-7-7 that u add into the water i been using that, it says that u should drop 7 to 10 drops into a liter. i dont know how to properly fertilize my plants and would appreacate any help explaining how to do so:rastasmoke:

thanks

[INSpectaDeck]

here goes more of plant 2, the temptures range from 80degrees F during light period to maybe 65 dagrees F when the lights are off (over night) for got to add that in the last post

[r00tdoctor]

Well you shouldnt fertilize until they have 5 or 6 nodes, use it at half strength in a 2-liter soda bottle put 7-10 drops. fertilize every 2 feedings , then the third use straight water.

As they get bigger you can increase the fertilizer to full strength. Water when the soil feels mostly dry and/or container feels light. You can put your finger down in the soil to test the dryness. The urine is good for N , just dont overdo it with it. And you really should have waited till the plants were on the 4 or 6 node (nodes are the sets of leaves) to fertilize.

For some decent cheap soil go to walmart and get there "expert gardener perfect mix" like $2.50 a bag, Its got lime& pertlite already added and its got a
nice texture.
And there "expert garderner all purpose plant food (24-8-16)" is like $3.50 for a 1.5lb box of the water soluble powder,thats the vegg growth fertilizer I use.

[INSpectaDeck]

so ur saying i should use the 7-7-7 just use it in a 2 litre bottle and use 7 to 10 drops insted of 1 liter and using 7 to ten drops? and i will probaly stop using the mixture i made and jus use regular water and flush it out

[r00tdoctor]

yea you want to start out with a half strength mixture.

[INSpectaDeck]

thanks alot rootdoc keep up tha good work, ur input is much appreaceated, ill keep shat posted im gonna be throwing questions at u faster than i can think of them:D but heres one for starters. . .when i decide to start flowering what is the most needed nutrent??

[r00tdoctor]

something high in phosphate the middle number in the N-P-K ratio, you should join chat im in there lol.

[INSpectaDeck]

plant number one got pretty big already, i think it is on its fourth node or so, im going to start givin it some nutrents, ill have some new pix up ASAP.

[INSpectaDeck]

Ok heres the problem. I Wanted to help out the roots of my plant because i heard that a little of heat was good for the roots.So i placed one on a space heater i have and the leaves wilted pretty badly when i looked over a few minutes later. As soon as i saw what was happening i took it off and gave it some water and lots of light. What should i do

[INSpectaDeck]

the fourth picture above this post is basicly birds eye view of the closet, in the center of the four plants there are four cfl light bulbs, in the corner of the room is a high pressure sodium buld that is aimed towards the plannts, plant number "one" from eariler posts (the plant that was so far behind) was tansplanted into an approx. 3 gal pot,and it is almost outgrowing the rest of them. if u take a look at the progress it is the third posted in the big orange pot.

[r00tdoctor]

Instpecta wassup , you shouldnt have put It on a space heater roots like it to cooler. Hopefully it recovers. Im glad to see your still growing You were MIA for a while.lol

[INSpectaDeck]

yeah root, i found out the hard way lolol, it dosent look like its gonna recover, we still have three other plants to try and get buds off of, i think were are really getting close to switching the timers for flowering, 2 of the three plants are now transplanted into bigger pots, im hoping to get the last one done ASAP, i think we are going to start flowinering by the time it is in another pot, i noticed while transplanting how much root actually grows in the pot, and the plants that were transplanted are starting to grow wider and more bushy.

[INSpectaDeck]

i started flowering. . .i see signs of femalessssss!!!!

[Big len]

Check out Bodoms rubbermaid grow I made one it uses cfl it is a great way to grow very easily, I keep my mom in it have to do some tying but that keeps it fun.
Big Len:rastasmoke:

[r00tdoctor]

Are you using the 400watt or just the cfl's? or both.

[INSpectaDeck]

Big len thanks your opion, ill be sure to check that out.

Rootdoc i have the hps on for an hour every other hour to try and keep electirc costs down, yesterday i bought 4 of them cfl 100's n poped em in and thos stay on for the full 12 hours, the plants are about a foot and a half now and they look really healthy, im really upset that i dident clone b4 i flowered because one of the plants looks reallyyyy pretty lol, it has 11 leaves on it and it smells soooo goooood, im pretty sure im gonna be upset that i dident save that strand :( besides that flaw everything else is looking lovlyy, im going to try and get some new pics up here so u can see for yourselfs