Timothy Leary

[emkid420]

Wow, I just read about Timothy Leary. Pretty amazing stuff he did. He researched and experimented with the therapeutic and spiritual benefits of psychedelic drugs.

If you don't know anything about him, I'd read this, it's very interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary

[emkid420]

Yeah, I don't know enough about him to have an opinion about him as a person. I just thought his life was pretty interesting.

[emkid420]

Yeah, the guy who said the dropping out of school things, well that seems pretty far fetched. I mean read that biography, he went to many different colleges. He even got a PH.d

[yoda]

damn that was fascinating as hell, didnt know come together was written for hm either

[yabatab]

The promotion of drug use by people like him only left
us all with strict drug policies...Thanks Tim. Oh wait he
did have the marijuana tax stamp act abolished, never
mind cannabis only ended up in the controlled substance
act of 1970.

[birdgirl73]

Folks, I've had to delete three responses to this original post because of non-cannabis discussion. That's not particularly surprising, considering the topic of the thread itself. But if you're going to respond to this thread, you'll have to do it in ways that don't mention the substance Leary was best known for experimenting with--or you're going to have to be very circumspect about how you address your response. If that doesn't happen, we'll have to close the thead.

[emkid420]

I am all for following board rules Birdgirl. Although, don't you think that the topic of these substances are more educational based. For example, I could understand deleteing posts of someone talking about themselves using these drugs. But the post is basically talking about his viewpoints throughout his life, biographically.

LOL i dont know if that made sense.

but just puting that out there...

[birdgirl73]

I hear you, and you make perfect sense. I mean, I think that Timothy Leary felt that he was doing educational/research/scientific work with his experiments, and he was. But the thing here is that how somebody else interprets information in detailed responses, particularly information that talks about mind-expanding and psychedelic experiences, is completely subjective. So what you might interpret as educational/scientific information might, to an adventurous 15-year-old, be interpreted as an endorsement or suggestion to try it.

Don't get me wrong here. I know we're not going to prevent people/kids from trying various substances. But the reason we try and maintain the cannabis-only policy is to keep folks concentrating on the gentler substance this board is about--and to make sure that subjective interpretation is at least limited to cannabis, which is pretty tame compared to some of the others that come up (and get taken down) here from time to time. Hope that makes sense!

[geonagual]

Folks, I've had to delete three responses to this original post because of non-cannabis discussion. That's not particularly surprising, considering the topic of the thread itself. But if you're going to respond to this thread, you'll have to do it in ways that don't mention the substance Leary was best known for experimenting with--or you're going to have to be very circumspect about how you address your response. If that doesn't happen, we'll have to close the thead.

What substance was that? LOL

[emkid420]

I hear you, and you make perfect sense. I mean, I think that Timothy Leary felt that he was doing educational/research/scientific work with his experiments, and he was. But the thing here is that how somebody else interprets information in detailed responses, particularly information that talks about mind-expanding and psychedelic experiences, is completely subjective. So what you might interpret as educational/scientific information might, to an adventurous 15-year-old, be interpreted as an endorsement or suggestion to try it.

Don't get me wrong here. I know we're not going to prevent people/kids from trying various substances. But the reason we try and maintain the cannabis-only policy is to keep folks concentrating on the gentler substance this board is about--and to make sure that subjective interpretation is at least limited to cannabis, which is pretty tame compared to some of the others that come up (and get taken down) here from time to time. Hope that makes sense!


I hear ya'. That's reasonable. I know your just doing your job.

[emkid420]

What substance was that? LOL

Because of board rules I can't say which substance. But just look at the link in the first post. It's pretty clear there.

[birdgirl73]

You crack me up, Geonagual! Hey, did you find any of those Twisterz at the store the other night? (Speaking of substances!)

[geonagual]

I posted it in the cheese thread. I did find both flavors. But they weren't on sale ($3.99). I ended up buying white cheddar cheez-its (2 for $4). I am going to the store tonight and I will see if the price has dropped. They do look really GOOD. I have to be a saavy shpper. Ya know.

Oh yeah, I seen a special on HBO last night about ALS. Very interesting and depressing at the same time.

[2600HERTZ]

Timothy Leary, was indeed a moron. However, he said one good thing(i am not even sure it is as good as it is catchy) "Turn on. Tune in. Drop out"

[SmokingPlatypus]

Timothy Leary, was indeed a moron.

Care to back that up?

[Fengzi]

Another interesting guy was Ken Kesey. He was pretty much the West Coast version of Timothy Leary, although the two didn't care for each other much.

Ken Kesey was the guy who wrote the book One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest. He was part of a U.S. Army experiment where they would test a certain unmentionable substance (also enjoyed by Ken Kesey ;) ) on willing volunteers hoping to find something they could use to fuck with the enemy's head. Kesey liked this unmentionable substance and promoted it on the West Coast. He had these legendary parties, funded largely by his book, and it was at these parties that the Grateful Dead got their start.

Anyone interested in the late '60's hippy culture, complete with unmentionable substances and psychedelic music, should read the Tom Wolfe book "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". It's all about Ken Kesey, his wild parties, the San Francisco hippy scene, Kesey's meeting with Leary, etc. It's a true story but extremely entertaining. I'd consider it a must read for anyone on this board.

edit: Dead Heads will recognize the lyrics "The bus came by, I got on, that's when it all began, there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never never land" Read the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and you'll understand this completely :D

[40oz]

the 'substance' that can't be mentioned is probably alot more healthy for you than smoking cannabis. i think thats something adventerous 15 year olds should know.

[Frivolous248]

I think hes a pretty cool dude. I agree with a lot of his ideas. I don't see why so many people hate him...he just had his own ideas and whether you agree with them or not, he has the right to those thoughts and its dumb to dismiss him off as a crazy hippy or uneducated person because of the substances he studied. He was a very intelligent person.

[SmokingPlatypus]

Meh, I kinda agree with you there 40oz, but their rules are rules.. it sucks, but ah well. That's just how it goes, I guess. Cannabis.com and the people who put money into this site don't want to have a federal indictment for telling kids how to get high on certain substances.

BTW Fengzi, I've read Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, it was a thumping good read. Very entertaining, interesting too.

[40oz]

That's just how it goes, I guess. Cannabis.com and the people who put money into this site don't want to have a federal indictment for telling kids how to get high on certain substances.



Right, thats what erowid is for.

[birdgirl73]

Indictments aren't what the owners are concerned about, although another site did get taken down and several people, apprently including some of the owners, got busted for enabling hookups, which is why we don't allow hookup talk or email addresses in threads. They simply feel strongly about keeping it cannabis-only, which makes sense since this is a cannabis site. Don't make that out to be more than it is.

[geonagual]

Another interesting guy was Ken Kesey. He was pretty much the West Coast version of Timothy Leary, although the two didn't care for each other much.

Ken Kesey was the guy who wrote the book One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest. He was part of a U.S. Army experiment where they would test a certain unmentionable substance (also enjoyed by Ken Kesey ;) ) on willing volunteers hoping to find something they could use to fuck with the enemy's head. Kesey liked this unmentionable substance and promoted it on the West Coast. He had these legendary parties, funded largely by his book, and it was at these parties that the Grateful Dead got their start.

Anyone interested in the late '60's hippy culture, complete with unmentionable substances and psychedelic music, should read the Tom Wolfe book "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". It's all about Ken Kesey, his wild parties, the San Francisco hippy scene, Kesey's meeting with Leary, etc. It's a true story but extremely entertaining. I'd consider it a must read for anyone on this board.

edit: Dead Heads will recognize the lyrics "The bus came by, I got on, that's when it all began, there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never never land" Read the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and you'll understand this completely :D

I have been wanting to read Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test for a long time.
It is hard to say anything else on this topic

[yabatab]

Don't get me wrong here. I know we're not going to prevent people/kids from trying various substances. But the reason we try and maintain the cannabis-only policy is to keep folks concentrating on the gentler substance this board is about--and to make sure that subjective interpretation is at least limited to cannabis, which is pretty tame compared to some of the others that come up (and get taken down) here from time to time. Hope that makes sense!

There is some contradictions here e.g. user names and avatars that
promote drugs other than cannabis. I know the site wants to
maintain a certain degree of it being "only a cannabis site" but I
think when other substances are mentioned in an un-promotional
manner some of these rules should be flexible. With that said I
hope bringing attention to my user name doesn't warrant a ban.
LOL
:jointsmile: