More death is not the answer.

[LuckyNiner]

To you -

Chances are you don't even know that our esteemed leader is planning a gigantic, insane surge of troops into Iraq. Wake the fuck up.


Your ignorance is forgivable.
Sending National Guard units on third and fourth tours of Iraq is not.

Having the future and certain deaths of countless thousands on your hands IS NOT FORGIVABLE.

Call your congressional representative. Tell them how vehemently opposed to this pathetic, disgusting, terrifying move you are, and tell them that they must, along with their peers, STOP THIS.

I know you don't care about what's happening in the world.

"It doesn't apply to me, so why should I?"

You terrify me as much as the Bush Administration terrifies me. You horrify me as much as Islamic extremists horrify me, and you sadden me as much as the 3,000 American deaths in Iraq (and the countless thousands of Iraqi innocents) sadden me. More than anything, though, you are seriously making me doubt that our future is bright.

Please.

Please, if only for once, care.

This has to be stopped.


- Sam

[Samwhore]

hm, this thread belong someplace else,like current events

[friendowl]

bush is time is up
before he leaves office
he will make a mark
it might look like a skid mark
but a mark none the less

someone needs to stop this geek

[LuckyNiner]

bush is time is up
before he leaves office
he will make a mark
it might look like a skid mark
but a mark none the less

someone needs to stop this geek

He'll leave his mark, all right. A fucking black mark on American history, right up there with Nixon.

[LuckyNiner]

No one will read this in the politics forum.

To you -

Chances are you don't even know that our esteemed leader is planning a gigantic, insane surge of troops into Iraq. Wake the fuck up.


Your ignorance is forgivable.
Sending National Guard units on third and fourth tours of Iraq is not.

Having the future and certain deaths of countless thousands on your hands IS NOT FORGIVABLE.

Call your congressional representative. Tell them how vehemently opposed to this pathetic, disgusting, terrifying move you are, and tell them that they must, along with their peers, STOP THIS.

I know you don't care about what's happening in the world.

"It doesn't apply to me, so why should I?"

You terrify me as much as the Bush Administration terrifies me. You horrify me as much as Islamic extremists horrify me, and you sadden me as much as the 3,000 American deaths in Iraq (and the countless thousands of Iraqi innocents). More than anything, though, you are seriously making me doubt that our future is bright.

Please.

Please, if only for once, care.

This has to be stopped.


- Sam

[Dro_Princess]

Im against it as well. My uncle reinlisted and went back to serve his country, by the grace of god he made it back home safely before he holidays. He said he never wants to go back, and wont talk about some of the things he had seen and had to do. Its sad to sit back and watch the news and hear all the reports of death and destruction. Its getting very scary and if our president decides to attack Iran or North Korea I dont even want to think of the ramifacastions (sp) that will cause.

[benagain]

I wasn't happy we went in, but I'm not denying that we've done good there. Wrong reason, right result. We're not the world police, but brutal shit was going on over there. I wish the troops best of luck and hope they get home soon (that goes double for you Matt is you ever see this) and safe. That's all I'll say on the matter.

oh and this does belong in politics btw.

[hempplaya]

Amen to that LuckyNiner, good to see other people with the views i have...unfortunately being in the state where this dumbfuck comes from it is hard to voice my opinion without people goin ape shit. unfortunate to see people only believe what the media tells them, wake the fuck up and smell the green people.

[BlueCat]

Anyone paying attention knows what Bush is doing....that is why so many neocons are speaking out. He is bringing all the players in from the PNAC. He is about to start a nuclear war in the middle east. Yes you are right people better wake up!

Bush is embracing the six-year-old neocon plan that many of its adherents have since abandoned, and he thinks he can now implement it using new strategies that most analysts, including most of the neoconservatives, reject and fear.

"As one senior military official put it today, '[Bush's planned surge of troops will] be like throwing kerosene on a fire'." --NBC Nightly News,

"... the Bush Administration has repeatedly asserted the right to initiate further attacks beyond Iraq without Congressional approval. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently testified that the President could attack Syria or Iran without any authorization from Congress." --The Nation, 1/23/06

"Support for sending additional troops to Iraq is at 11% (CNN) or 12% (LA Times). Opposition to the war is at 67% (CNN), and 54% want all U.S. troops out of Iraq by the end of 2007 (CNN). U.S. voters want the war to end. A "troop surge" is a betrayal of the voters, as is maintaining current troop levels." --David Swanson, AfterDowningStreet.org.


Bush is pulling troops from Afganistan at a time when they will have a taliban surge. His NEW WAR we will be fighting Iran and Syria.

George W. Bush is not going to voluntarily end his war and bring the troops home. Congress is going to have to stop it for him, and prevent him from starting another one.

He has already invaded the Iranian Embassy. This new war will take years and it is going to kill so many people. He is setting things up for war with all of the middle east. Republicans ands Democrats a like are against this. We all have to come together on this issue.

So, please take a few minutes to write or call your representatives and let them know that you will support their efforts to Stop the War and Bring the Troops Home. Urge them to use every Constitutional power available to them in this confrontation with the Bush Administration--including the power of the purse and impeachment, if necessary. They must do whatever it takes. This is a matter of life and death.

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

[couch-potato]

Funny thing is, from a world point-of-view, we're the bad guys right now. We're 20th century Germany.

I'll write, but in my most honest opinion I'm expecting World War III.

[Way2many]

yeah we should stop sending america's young to die in the desert.

let them kill each other and do what they do, we need to mind our fucking own.

^and your dumb were trying to help those savages the thing is they dont wanna be helped.

[Bong30]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112007/news/columnists/noble_effort_our_only_alternative_to_awful_defeat_ columnists_john_podhoretz.htm?page=2

NOBLE EFFORT OUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO AWFUL DEFEAT FORCE & RESISTANCE: President Bush has ordered a surgeof troops â?? but Democrats in Congress said yesterday they'll seek
to pass a nonbinding resolution opposing it.


January 11, 2007 -- THE speech didn't matter. The plan matters.

The speech was plain and direct and without adornment. The plan it outlined is detailed and specific and seeks nothing less than to reverse the worsening crisis in Iraq.

The speech said, "This plan can work."

The plan must work.

Because if it doesn't, the war is lost. The president will have almost no defenders and backers should this plan fail to improve things in Iraq - and make no mistake, if this proves to be the case, the war will be defunded by Congress in 2008.

And then every terrible thing the president mentioned last night will be upon us:

"Radical Islamic extremists would grow in strength and gain new recruits. They would be in a better position to topple moderate governments, create chaos in the region, and use oil revenues to fund their ambitions. Iran would be emboldened in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Our enemies would have a safe haven from which to plan and launch attacks on the American people."

And just as the president said last night that "the responsibility" for the mistakes that have been made "rests with me," so too he will shoulder the responsibility for the increased danger to the American people from Iraq's descent into unmitigated chaos.

So what of the plan itself? It has the practical benefit of being an actual plan to defeat the enemy on the ground - as opposed to the previous strategy, which was to subordinate military action to the maneuverings and machinations of Iraq's newborn political elite.

It involves an effort to defeat the Sunni insurgency and the Shiite death squads in Baghdad by taking their safe havens away from them - and it differs from previous efforts in this regard because American troops, working with a much larger Iraqi army contingent, will stay there day and night until these neighborhoods are pacified.
At the same time, operations against the al Qaeda terrorists in Anbar province will be stepped up. And more systematic efforts will be made to block the interference of Syria and Iran, who have provided support to the Sunni insurgents, al Qaeda terrorists and Shiite slaughterers.

Will it succeed? I don't know and neither do you and neither does anybody else. But it is this country's last, best, and only hope of prevailing in Iraq.

And the fact that it has been designed thoughtfully, carefully and over a period of more than two months - including the systematic replacement of the entire team that devised the previous unsuccessful strategy with a new team committed to victory - demonstrates the president and his team aren't just putting lipstick on a pig.

What has happened in the past two months in Washington is really without modern precedent: An overconfident president, assured and comforted by his military leaders that they had the only workable strategy for the war they were waging, found himself brought up short by the facts on the battleground and by the dramatic change in the political landscape at home.

He was left with only a few options.

He could have kept going as he had been, which would have been delusional.

He could have given in to the general despair in Washington and sought a quick exit from Iraq, which would have dishonorable.

Or he could have insisted on a gigantic new commitment of forces to the Iraqi theater, which would either have been unattainable or unsustainable.

What he has done, instead, is to devise and present a practical and workable plan - a plan to reduce violence, enhance security and simultaneously fight more aggressively and bring the Iraqi forces to fight more aggressively as well.

And there is no other option now but defeat.

[BizzleLuvin]

hate is not a family value
what part of 'thou shalt not kill' dont you understand? (pro-life folks like this one too, isnt it ironic those people tend to support the war in iraq and the death penalty)
- a few sayings from my overwhelming bumper sticker collection

[LuckyNiner]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112007/news/columnists/noble_effort_our_only_alternative_to_awful_defeat_ columnists_john_podhoretz.htm?page=2

NOBLE EFFORT OUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO AWFUL DEFEAT FORCE & RESISTANCE: President Bush has ordered a surgeof troops â?? but Democrats in Congress said yesterday they'll seek
to pass a nonbinding resolution opposing it.


January 11, 2007 -- THE speech didn't matter. The plan matters.

The speech was plain and direct and without adornment. The plan it outlined is detailed and specific and seeks nothing less than to reverse the worsening crisis in Iraq.

The speech said, "This plan can work."

The plan must work.

Because if it doesn't, the war is lost. The president will have almost no defenders and backers should this plan fail to improve things in Iraq - and make no mistake, if this proves to be the case, the war will be defunded by Congress in 2008.

And then every terrible thing the president mentioned last night will be upon us:

"Radical Islamic extremists would grow in strength and gain new recruits. They would be in a better position to topple moderate governments, create chaos in the region, and use oil revenues to fund their ambitions. Iran would be emboldened in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Our enemies would have a safe haven from which to plan and launch attacks on the American people."

And just as the president said last night that "the responsibility" for the mistakes that have been made "rests with me," so too he will shoulder the responsibility for the increased danger to the American people from Iraq's descent into unmitigated chaos.

So what of the plan itself? It has the practical benefit of being an actual plan to defeat the enemy on the ground - as opposed to the previous strategy, which was to subordinate military action to the maneuverings and machinations of Iraq's newborn political elite.

It involves an effort to defeat the Sunni insurgency and the Shiite death squads in Baghdad by taking their safe havens away from them - and it differs from previous efforts in this regard because American troops, working with a much larger Iraqi army contingent, will stay there day and night until these neighborhoods are pacified.
At the same time, operations against the al Qaeda terrorists in Anbar province will be stepped up. And more systematic efforts will be made to block the interference of Syria and Iran, who have provided support to the Sunni insurgents, al Qaeda terrorists and Shiite slaughterers.

Will it succeed? I don't know and neither do you and neither does anybody else. But it is this country's last, best, and only hope of prevailing in Iraq.

And the fact that it has been designed thoughtfully, carefully and over a period of more than two months - including the systematic replacement of the entire team that devised the previous unsuccessful strategy with a new team committed to victory - demonstrates the president and his team aren't just putting lipstick on a pig.

What has happened in the past two months in Washington is really without modern precedent: An overconfident president, assured and comforted by his military leaders that they had the only workable strategy for the war they were waging, found himself brought up short by the facts on the battleground and by the dramatic change in the political landscape at home.

He was left with only a few options.

He could have kept going as he had been, which would have been delusional.

He could have given in to the general despair in Washington and sought a quick exit from Iraq, which would have dishonorable.

Or he could have insisted on a gigantic new commitment of forces to the Iraqi theater, which would either have been unattainable or unsustainable.

What he has done, instead, is to devise and present a practical and workable plan - a plan to reduce violence, enhance security and simultaneously fight more aggressively and bring the Iraqi forces to fight more aggressively as well.

And there is no other option now but defeat.

Use your own words, and perhaps people will listen to you.

Use the words of someone writing for the NY Post, and you'll only get laughed at.

What he has done, instead, is to devise and present a practical and workable plan - a plan to reduce violence, enhance security and simultaneously fight more aggressively and bring the Iraqi forces to fight more aggressively as well.

A plan to REDUCE violence? 21,500 more American troops and the plan is to REDUCE violence?

Enhance security? To "fight more aggressively" would do the exact opposite of "enhancing security". Think about today's war-raped Iraq, today's war-raped Iraqis, and imagine the current violence multiplied numerous times.

That's what this escalation will bring.

[LuckyNiner]

hate is not a family value
what part of 'thou shalt not kill' dont you understand? (pro-life folks like this one too, isnt it ironic those people tend to support the war in iraq and the death penalty)
- a few sayings from my overwhelming bumper sticker collection

We need more people like you in this world.

Also, Bong30, here I was thinking you were a Christian from the few posts of yours I've read (and laughed uproariously at). How in the world can someone who considers themselves a follower of Jesus Christ advocate death, war, and murder?

[LuckyNiner]

Amen to that LuckyNiner, good to see other people with the views i have...unfortunately being in the state where this dumbfuck comes from it is hard to voice my opinion without people goin ape shit. unfortunate to see people only believe what the media tells them, wake the fuck up and smell the green people.

Haha, I think Texas is one of the few states where a stereotype proves more often than not to be true, and people somehow seem proud of it...it's a strange world.

Anyway, another version of this thread is more active in the Lounge, where people who aren't interested in world affairs might actually read it..

[Bong30]

Death is reality.... Peace is a dream

You live in La la land, Ill live here in Colorado.

[Bob the Awesome]

hate is not a family value
what part of 'thou shalt not kill' dont you understand? (pro-life folks like this one too, isnt it ironic those people tend to support the war in iraq and the death penalty)
- a few sayings from my overwhelming bumper sticker collection

I feel so happy I'm not the only one who says this. "Thou shalt not kill" There's no room for exceptions. My Christian-Conservative 'friends' always try and say it's OK for soldiers and people in specific situations, but the Bible doesnt' say anything else but "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

They don't read that part literally, but they take "A man shall not lie with another man as he does a woman" to mean that gays not only can't get married, but can't adopt.

People who think like that need to go to Iraq and die fixing their own mess, I want no part of this. The whole thing got fucked to hell.

[LuckyNiner]

Death is reality.... Peace is a dream

You live in La la land, Ill live here in Colorado.

A dream we have to strive for.


So you're not a Christian, then? Jesus Christ was just some dude?

[Way2many]

Human will alway's destroy themselves and there planet.

[Bong30]

You dream......I ll get up go to work and feed my family......



and do some bong rips along the way............

[LuckyNiner]

You dream......I ll get up go to work and feed my family......



and do some bong rips along the way............

So you're saying that people who have dreams generally aren't productive members of society?

And stop dodging the question. Are you a follower of Jesus of Nazareth or aren't you?

[Bob the Awesome]

What, you didn't know that anti-war activists were all a bunch of lazy bums who never fed their families!?

Have you learned nothing!?!?!?

[BlueCat]

Why don't you sign up Bong? You are always for this war but you have yet to answer WHY you are not figthing it seems to give you such a hard on. Why are you not fighting for you country?

This IS NOT a new plan it is called the PNAC look it up.

[Way2many]

Why don't you sign up Bong? You are always for this war but you have yet to answer WHY you are not figthing it seems to give you such a hard on. Why are you not fighting for you country?

This IS NOT a new plan it is called the PNAC look it up.

you got a link, im interested.

[big smoke07]

Death is reality.... Peace is a dream


Well said.

[Bong30]

No I am not............

I do believe in christians Values.....

My problem is that I have to much science in my Head..... I have a hard time with the virgin Birth....

1 sperm 1 egg= 1 baby

Does that mean that he wasnt a great man? NO he was....

Does that mean that he wasnt the son Of God? Maybe?????

All I know is that christians are not calling for the heads of Infidels.......

The story of him Dieing on the cross and many others are just awesome.

I do prey to Jesus.......when Im on my snowboard getting ready to huck a cliff, or when my son might have had a birth defect..... I preyed my ass off...


Let me guees... you are a left wing socialist that hates christians and jews and america.......you call your self athiest...agnostic whatever.

[Bong30]

Why don't you sign up Bong? You are always for this war but you have yet to answer WHY you are not figthing it seems to give you such a hard on. Why are you not fighting for you country?

This IS NOT a new plan it is called the PNAC look it up.

steer clear BB............

[LuckyNiner]

No I am not............

I do believe in christians Values.....

My problem is that I have to much science in my Head..... I have a hard time with the virgin Birth....

1 sperm 1 egg= 1 baby

Does that mean that he wasnt a great man? NO he was....

Does that mean that he wasnt the son Of God? Maybe?????

All I know is that christians are not calling for the heads of Infidels.......

The story of him Dieing on the cross and many others are just awesome.

I do prey to Jesus.......when Im on my snowboard getting ready to huck a cliff, or when my son might have had a birth defect..... I preyed my ass off...


Let me guees... you are a left wing socialist that hates christians and jews and america.......you call your self athiest...agnostic whatever.

I'm not even going to try with you. Some people are too far gone.

[BlueCat]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

check it out when you try to get to the official site it is closed for security clearance...

http://www.pnacinfo.us/doc/


but too many websites have kept the oringinal PDF its here

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

They know people are putting it together because Bush is bringing in too many of the original players.

theres a good article here

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/168

This is really really bad. We are going to lose so many troops if he pulls out of Afganistan right now.... :(

[Bong30]

like you....what are you 15

[BlueCat]

steer clear BB............

Screw you coward sign up.

[Bong30]

If he cant Type PNAC into a search engine he needs more help than a left wing political activist can give.....

[Bong30]

Steer clear BB

I was talking to lucky


Im gone now.....bye BB

[d00d557]

I'm borderline on the subject(although I think bush is a complete fucktard). Sending 18,000 more troops in Iraq could either, shut some of those fucking insurgents up and send them to their fakeass paradise, or we could go and get our asses handed to us like we have been for the past 4 years. We should have left Saddam in power. He was the only one that could keep those sand niggers in check.

[Bob the Awesome]

Alright, enough lame insults.

Especially you, Bong30, assuming everyone's a left-wing socialist atheist 15-year old? Are you insane?

I'm almost 19, A moderate with libertarian leanings, and a self-proclaimed 'moralist' (I don't care to worry about religion, I believe in treating others nicely)

Please keep your stereotypes to yourself...

[BlueCat]

Thats right you little coward you drop in and spread your I love war AND I love Jesus bull shit. COWARD. You are afraid to join you don't want your legs blown off or your face burned off but it is ok if it happens to someone else. Answer me!! if this war is ok why aren't you joining? Are you an American or not?

[Bob the Awesome]

*sigh*

[BlueCat]

I'm borderline on the subject(although I think bush is a complete fucktard). Sending 18,000 more troops in Iraq could either, shut some of those fucking insurgents up and send them to their fakeass paradise, or we could go and get our asses handed to us like we have been for the past 4 years. We should have left Saddam in power. He was the only one that could keep those sand niggers in check.


And you lost all credibility with you're last remark. You think this is cute..

If you guys have found this whole war thing amusing up to this point...it is time to wake up. Even a Republican Senator is saying this will be as bad as Vietnam. It is NOT just liberals speaking out. You are going to be a part of it whether you want to or not.

[Bong30]

BB,
When My Dad was killed in Viet nam..... My grandpa sat me down when i was 6 and told me i was the man of the house....he gave me one of those little coors beer cans...remember back in the 70s

It left a bad taste in my mouth for the services then i grew up, unlike you....I still love my country.....

Country before...everything even Family......

[birdgirl73]

No one will read this in the politics forum.

Sorry, but you are incorrect on that statement. It will be read there. And that's the only place it can be read, considering the sorts of flaming insults it's already generating. It can go to politics, where I'll merge it with that other one I transferred, or it can be taken down completely. Your choice.

[Bob the Awesome]

Country before...everything even Family......

Alright, BlueCat getting all into yelling at you for not enlisting and being kinda too enthusiastic was a bit far, and the racial slur was TOO Far...


But that is just scary. Seriously, that's creepy. If the government comes to you, and you have to pick between them and your family, you pick the government?

*shiver* ew.

[d00d557]

I don't think its cute, and you need to stop being so god damn judgmental for fucks sake. I said what I think of the war and thats that. Our president is a fucking retard, enough said. What the hell can any of us do to stop a big plan already in motion? We can't to shit but bitch and whine at our government who shits all over us. Why do we have to get so mad at eachother over everything? Everyone has their own opinions and we shouldn't shit all over them for having an opinion different from ours. Just stop tearing into other people like Bong or me, why you got pissed at me I don't know. Maybe because I didn't state it in an educated or politically correct way?

[BlueCat]

BB,
When My Dad was killed in Viet nam..... My grandpa sat me down when i was 6 and told me i was the man of the house....he gave me one of those little coors beer cans...remember back in the 70s

It left a bad taste in my mouth for the services then i grew up, unlike you....I still love my country.....

Country before...everything even Family......

THEN SIGN UP don't give me any of that bullshit. YOU ARE A FAKE. My HUSBAND went to Vietnam and so did my dad. You love YOU and the little war games you play on your video game. This is real life. Be a man and join up if you agree with what the president is doing.

[couch-potato]

Thats right you little coward you drop in and spread your I love war AND I love Jesus bull shit. COWARD. You are afraid to join you don't want your legs blown off or your face burned off but it is ok if it happens to someone else. Answer me!! if this war is ok why aren't you joining? Are you an American or not?


Umm... the fuck?

Christianity does NOT oppose war. The Crusades? The constant warfare in the Old Testament? Have you even read the book of Revelation? Jesus came to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE. So what if he doesn't want to join, maybe he can't. People have families to raise, but they can still support what America is doing. Personally I have no fucking clue on what to think about this, but if people join the army they KNOW what they are putting themselves into. It is not forced, this isn't a draft. You can't blame the government for when a soldier dies in combat, soldiers know the risks that they are putting themselves into. They are fighting and dying so that all Americans can live in freedom, and yes, not joining the war does not make you un-American. Hell, you can even oppose it and still be American. Freedom of speech and protest. The very foundations of this country.

[LuckyNiner]

BB,
When My Dad was killed in Viet nam..... My grandpa sat me down when i was 6 and told me i was the man of the house....he gave me one of those little coors beer cans...remember back in the 70s

It left a bad taste in my mouth for the services then i grew up, unlike you....I still love my country.....

Country before...everything even Family......

Those who care about peace and freedom are those who truly love their country.

Advocates of death and oppression? PLEASE stop usurping patriotism.

This country was founded on some of the greatest principles this world has seen. Unfortunately, most if not all of our leaders have not lived up to the standard set. Our current administration has done more than fail to make America a better world leader. They have ruined America. They are no patriots.

You are no patriot.

[LuckyNiner]

Sorry, but you are incorrect on that statement. It will be read there. And that's the only place it can be read, considering the sorts of flaming insults it's already generating. It can go to politics, where I'll merge it with that other one I transferred, or it can be taken down completely. Your choice.

I was waiting for that.

My point is that not everyone on this site browses through the Politics forum. Some things are too important to leave for the minority of forum members interested in world affairs to discuss for themselves.

I made this thread not to have illiterate 40-year-old men call me a 15-year-old America-hating socialist.

I made this thread in the hope that people who don't usually look through the Politics forum would see it. It was less for political discussion and more for public knowledge.

Anyway, rules are rules, I understand.

[d00d557]

Amen

[sirkills]

in my honest opinion i feel that religious believes have nothing do with it i believe in karma what comes around goes around and i fear world war III is not far off and it will be strcitly nuclear. As for this is will be bad as in the cold war russians had enough snice not to use them but i feel with iranians and koreians they might not have that good sense and i really don't want the war to go to hell though this so we should pull out and let the middle east deal with themselfs and if they come near the U.S. then bomb the hell out of the but as of now we have no business over there. As the person a few posts back said maybe saddam was what they needed to keep the middle eastern people in line. Sand nigger is a racist term and i feel that was exactly one of the main reasons there is some much hate in the world. People are judgeing people before they get to know them and that is wrong. But what do i know i am just a little immature 16 year old so i must not know what i am talking about .

[Bong30]

THEN SIGN UP don't give me any of that bullshit. YOU ARE A FAKE. My HUSBAND went to Vietnam and so did my dad. You love YOU and the little war games you play on your video game. This is real life. Be a man and join up if you agree with what the president is doing.

Your Husband and Dad came home.............

You and mickey moore and cindy sheehan great americans.........

[Bong30]

in my honest opinion i feel that religious believes have nothing do with it i believe in karma what comes around goes around and i fear world war III is not far off and it will be strcitly nuclear. As for this is will be bad as in the cold war russians had enough snice not to use them but i feel with iranians and koreians they might not have that good sense and i really don't want the war to go to hell though this so we should pull out and let the middle east deal with themselfs and if they come near the U.S. then bomb the hell out of the but as of now we have no business over there. As the person a few posts back said maybe saddam was what they needed to keep the middle eastern people in line. Sand nigger is a racist term and i feel that was exactly one of the main reasons there is some much hate in the world. People are judgeing people before they get to know them and that is wrong. But what do i know i am just a little immature 16 year old so i must not know what i am talking about .

see at 16 you think you know shit but you dont................


you know, spanking your monkey not politics...............

I have t shirts older than you...............please...

BB has Douche bags older than all of us.............LOL that was good

[LuckyNiner]

see at 16 you think you know shit but you dont................


you know, spanking your monkey not politics...............

I have t shirts older than you...............please...

BB has Douche bags older than all of us.............LOL that was good

Childish insults! Continue, please. It's all I've ever heard out of you. Your insinuation that he's 16 is only going to make people think that you're the teenager.

You certainly sound like one, my friend.

If you'd like people to pay attention to what you say, to take your angry diatribes seriously, and who knows, maybe even agree with you...I recommend you stop dodging the issue with what are really quite juvenile insults.

[BlueCat]

Those who care about peace and freedom are those who truly love their country.

Advocates of death and oppression? PLEASE stop usurping patriotism.

This country was founded on some of the greatest principles this world has seen. Unfortunately, most if not all of our leaders have not lived up to the standard set. Our current administration has done more than fail to make America a better world leader. They have ruined America. They are no patriots.

You are no patriot.

Well said! After that speech Bush gave and the grilling Rice got if anyone still supports this war they have to have serious psychological problems.

And couch potato..I believe it to be hypocritical to speak of Jesus and war. Jesus spoke of Peace. I have read the New Testament. You can't take it out of context unless you believe this to be the RAPTURE spoken of in Revelations. I am not going to let some religious nut take my country down.

[Bong30]

I dont belive in the virgin mary....I am a religous nut

I believe we can win the war aginst radical islam....im a warmonger


You guys are dumb as Mud....

Like I have said

I would rather be my kind of smart than your kind of DUMB......

[ronjohn420]

i say fuck bush and his shit, there is several of us that (for months) have been trying to spread the msg. of bush being a america corrupting retard facist and no one would listen.... well i hope this opens your ears now.....

we need to throw a cocktail at that fucker....

but im not going to argue over political matters...

this govt. can only be fought with force, and that takes numbers and according to the bible we cant fight this shit anyway........

speaking of the bible...
remember revelation talking about a chip under your skin.....

© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

A NASDAQ-traded company has finally unveiled its long-touted and highly controversial "Digital Angel" -- a subdermal microchip implant designed not merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in tracking human beings.

The high-tech device, engineered by Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. had its debut Monday before an overflow crowd of more than 300 invited guests at Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City.

The audience included U.S. Secretary of Commerce Norman Mineta, who addressed the crowd, as well as other government officials, potential joint-venture/licensing partners and press representatives.

Richard J. Sullivan, Applied Digital Solutions' chairman and CEO, waxed eloquent about the market potential of Digital Angel, claiming the company has "uncovered a total marketplace that is conservatively estimated to exceed $70 billion."

Randy Geissler, chairman and CEO of Digital Angel.net Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary, zeroed in on potential applications.

"Our analysis shows that we are well-positioned to move quickly into certain applications while developing a number of others. Two areas of particular interest are in the healthcare arena," he said, "monitoring heart disease and respiratory disease patients." The tracking and monitoring of pets, he added, is also "right up our alley."

The demonstration, which was conducted by Dr. Peter Zhou and Dr. Keith Bolton, showed how Digital Angel "can be used to monitor a person's key body functions -- such as temperature and pulse -- and transmit that data wirelessly, on a real time basis, along with the accurate location of the person, to a web-enabled ground station or monitoring facility," according to a press statement.

The technology consists of a miniature sensor device, designed to be implanted just under the skin, that captures and wirelessly transmits the "wearer's" vital body-function data, such as body temperature or pulse, to an Internet-integrated ground station. In addition, the antenna receives information regarding the location of the individual from the GPS satellite. Both sets of data -- medical information and location -- are then wirelessly transmitted to the ground station and made available on Web-enabled desktop, laptop or wireless devices.

A more sophisticated version of microchip technologies currently used as electronic ID tags for pets, Digital Angel is powered electromechanically through muscle movement, or it can be activated by an outside monitoring facility.

As WorldNetDaily has reported, in addition to locating missing persons and monitoring physiological data, Digital Angel will be marketed as a means of verifying online consumer identity for the burgeoning e-commerce world.

In August, Sullivan told WND, "We are currently talking to a watch maker who is interested in placing the device on the back of their watches." He added that "technology is being developed that would allow Digital Angel to function from the back of a cellular phone, transmitting bio-sensor information when carried by the user."

And in an interview last March, the chief scientist, Zhou, told WorldNetDaily he believes the implant will be as popular as cell phones and vaccines.

Digital Angel "will be a connection from yourself to the electronic world. It will be your guardian, protector. It will bring good things to you," said Zhou.

"We will be a hybrid of electronic intelligence and our own soul," he added.

[Bob the Awesome]

Well, Lucky and Blue, you two have this guy handled >> If anyone's acting like a 15 year old it's him... I thought he was an OK member of our forums but this is ridiculous...

[sirkills]

see at 16 you think you know shit but you dont................


you know, spanking your monkey not politics...............

I have t shirts older than you...............please...

BB has Douche bags older than all of us.............LOL that was good

the first thing i said was in my opinion as we all have opinions we are entitled to have our own and yes i may be 16 but i am probley the only 16 year old at the moment talking about poltics with people 10-15 years older than me and know at least a little bit about what i am talking about and at least i am mature enough to talk about what matters in this debate not talking about weather or not a 16 year old masturbates but idk maybe you should grow up a little bit

[Bob the Awesome]

Off topic a bit, they're discussing the President's Plan on the Daily Show >>

[BlueCat]

How about these quotes can you guys believe it? Even from Hagel!

"I have to say, Madam Secretary, that I think this speech given last night by this president represents the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam," announced Hagel, who earned two Purple Hearts as an infantryman in that war.
"I've gone along with the president on this, and I bought into his dream," Ohio Sen. George Voinovich added a few minutes later. "At this stage of the game, I don't think it's going to happen." Minnesota's Norm Coleman seemed to agree: "The cost is too high," he said of the plan for more troops. New Hampshire's John Sununu expressed mild disappointment. Added Alaska's Lisa Murkowski: "I'm not convinced, as I look to the plan that the president presented yesterday, that what we are seeing is that much different than what we have been doing in the past."

[Bong30]

Skrills please accept my appoligy you are right my anger was directed toward other member and you walked in the crossfire.... Sorry

But remember I was 16.....have you been 36?

All you need to worry about is getting a great education and getting a great job.....

Keep toking.........peace.

[LuckyNiner]

Well, Lucky and Blue, you two have this guy handled >> If anyone's acting like a 15 year old it's him... I thought he was an OK member of our forums but this is ridiculous...

Yeah...I'm a bit disappointed too. Not surprised though.

[Bong30]

Well, Lucky and Blue, you two have this guy handled >> If anyone's acting like a 15 year old it's him... I thought he was an OK member of our forums but this is ridiculous...

I dont care about being OK to anyone but my wife and kids.......( and BG...lol)




My opinion is as Valid as any other, just cause you dont agree.....

[sirkills]

hey shit happens but getting mad at other people about their believes or opinions is just a waste of time as the only way to get people to think a like is to thoughly convence them to understand your point of view. I plan to be 36 at one point and as i have no idea what it is like i can not tell you what to say or think but that is all a matter of opinion

[Bong30]

Yeah...I'm a bit disappointed too. Not surprised though.
Im dissapointed that our public schools are tuning out socialist like you guys.......


IE jay Bennish goggle him, you guys and gals would love his class

[Bong30]

hey shit happens but getting mad at other people about their believes or opinions is just a waste of time as the only way to get people to think a like is to thoughly convence them to understand your point of view. I plan to be 36 at one point and as i have no idea what it is like i can not tell you what to say or think but that is all a matter of opinion

I was a crazy skate punk kid.... now im a old neocon.....LOL times change you

[BlueCat]

This is good.....


An AP-Ipsos poll found approval for Bush's handling of Iraq slumping close a record low of just 29 per cent. A full 70 per cent opposed sending more troops.

[Bong30]

Off topic a bit, they're discussing the President's Plan on the Daily Show >>

Brain washed by left wing propaganda you dont even know it you call it the daily brain washing......

[Bong30]

This is good.....


An AP-Ipsos poll found approval for Bush's handling of Iraq slumping close a record low of just 29 per cent. A full 70 per cent opposed sending more troops.

30% that dont want to wear berkas

70% do..........

[LuckyNiner]

Im dissapointed that our public schools are tuning out socialist like you guys.......


IE jay Bennish goggle him, you guys and gals would love his class

I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you're the one whose public education failed him.

And no, I'm not just talking about your horrendous spelling, grammar and punctuation.

So you don't care about anyone but your wife and kids?

That explains a lot.

It explains why you don't care the 3,000 American dead, and the thousands and thousands of live American soldiers who have served 3 tours in Iraq and are being called back for a 4th.

It explains why you don't care about innocents.

It explains why, when faced with rational arguments, you resort to ugly little insults about age, about sexual activity, and my favorite: "You hate America."

[Bob the Awesome]

Brain washed by left wing propaganda you dont even know it you call it the daily brain washing......

30% that dont want to wear berkas

70% do..........


Humor is left wing propoganda?

You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. You make the worst assumptions I've ever seen. Please, just leave, you're making things painful.

[birdgirl73]

I was waiting for that.

My point is that not everyone on this site browses through the Politics forum. Some things are too important to leave for the minority of forum members interested in world affairs to discuss for themselves.

I made this thread not to have illiterate 40-year-old men call me a 15-year-old America-hating socialist.

I made this thread in the hope that people who don't usually look through the Politics forum would see it. It was less for political discussion and more for public knowledge.

Anyway, rules are rules, I understand.
I hear you. I truly do. And I not only understand the motivation, I agree with it--the importance of getting more than the opinions of the older seasoned politicos in residence. Sadly, those folks are accustomed to fighting pretty dirty, and that's really the reason it has to go into that forum.

I also agree with you on the illiterate 40-year-old man thing, too. The debate would somehow make more sense without that overemotional anger and instead with thoughtful consideration. Oh, and he's not yet 40, actually.

One thing you can do, if you'd like to, is put a little promo thread on the main forum urging people to check in with the latest thread in politics and give their opinion, even if they don't normally frequent that forum. Then you could link it . . . That would help drive them there from the main lounge, and I might even come after you and add a little disclaimer that it contains some heated debates. I could also create the promo, too, if you prefer. Above all, I want you see that I think getting those younger opinions is important, too, and that I truly didn't move this thread over some arbitrary "mod power" decision.

[BlueCat]

Im dissapointed that our public schools are tuning out socialist like you guys.......


IE jay Bennish goggle him, you guys and gals would love his class

Why don't you read this Bong you might enjoy it....


How public education cripples our kids, and why

http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm

[Bong30]

Thanks BG.... your great


Do i have to take name calling from you.....


I was trying.....im done

[Bong30]

Why don't you read this Bong you might enjoy it....


How public education cripples our kids, and why

http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm


you guys would love this guy

Jay Bennish is a social studies, American history and political geography teacher at Overland High School in Aurora, Colorado. He joined the faculty in 2000.

On February 1, 2006, student Sean Allen recorded one of Bennish's lectures on his iPod. Allen took his objections regarding Bennish's class to the media, and this developed into an international story.

Contents [hide]
1 The recorded class
2 Media reaction
3 Inaccuracies in the recorded lecture
4 Aftermath
5 External links



[edit] The recorded class
After being prompted by students to talk about the State of the Union Address given by U.S. President George W. Bush the previous evening, Bennish suggested that Bush's tone was "eerily similar" to that of Adolf Hitler's speeches (in that both were very ethnocentric), and that capitalism was "at odds with human rights".

Bennish also posed the question, "who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?", concurring with a student's response "we [the United States] are". He encouraged students to consider how other nations might see the United States and its allies, suggesting that "to many Native Americans [the American] flag is no different from the Nazi flag," and that Palestinians see the Israelis as "the real terrorists". Speaking about the U.S. "war on drugs" in Colombia, he made a reductio ad absurdum argument suggesting that other countries might have reason to drop chemicals on U.S. tobacco fields "to destroy the tobacco plants that are killing millions and millions of people in their countries every year, and causing them billions of dollars in healthcare costs".

The recording ends with Bennish saying, "I'm not in any way implying that you should agree with me. I don't know if I'm even necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think [â?¦] about these issues more in-depth, [â?¦] and not just to take things from the surface. I'm glad you asked all of your questions, 'cause they're all very good, legitimate questions, and hopefully that'll allow other people to think about those things, too."

[BlueCat]

Sounds like a great idea Birdgirl....

I am sorry but I can't help but get emotional and I honestly can't understand others not being emotional. If you are paying attention how can you not get upset?

[Bong30]

If your not mad your not paying attention

[sirkills]

bong 30 where did u find that story? that looks very interesting and i would like to read more into it

[Bong30]

Google Jay bennish.... wikipidia...


our kids are being brain washed and they dont know it....


you dont know it

[BlueCat]

well we finally agree on something but that was written by John Taylor Gatto he taught in NY city and he wrote The Underground History of American Education.

[d00d557]

I get upset over it but what can we do?

[BlueCat]

write your congressman for starters then talk to anyone that will listen. :)

[Bong30]

Vote...

Know that term limits work

even if we get a Dud like Gdub....

he will be gone soon enough

[BlueCat]

Vote...

Know that term limits work

even if we get a Dud like Gdub....

he will be gone soon enough

Not soon enough for me :(

Did you read the John Gatto paper I posted? He taught in NY city and wrote The Underground History of American Education. You really might enjoy reading it.

[sirkills]

How public education cripples our kids, and why

http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm



That is prolbey one of the best summaies of america's school system today as i am in 10th grade at a high school with 2400 students i completely see what he is talking about. How we are all forming into a mold and that independance and indiviuality is looked down apon and how many of the greatest americans that have ever lived never had education though middle school. I will be showing this site to some teachers to see their opinion . The Jay bennish guy was also a very good article he done somthing that took guts to do and i am glad someone has done something like that.

[Bong30]

That is prolbey one of the best summaies of america's school system today as i am in 10th grade at a high school with 2400 students i completely see what he is talking about. How we are all forming into a mold and that independance and indiviuality is looked down apon and how many of the greatest americans that have ever lived never had education though middle school. I will be showing this site to some teachers to see their opinion . The Jay bennish guy was also a very good article he done somthing that took guts to do and i am glad someone has done something like that.


who was brave? Jay " the one sided socialist teacher" or the kid that had the balls to record him and take it to the press.....

The Kid.....is the hero.

it was a big deal here in Colorado

shit google ward churchill...another of colorados finest..... OMG we are done for.


BC, I have not red the article.

ask BG, I cant read...........im not smart enough.

[medicinal]

I feel so happy I'm not the only one who says this. "Thou shalt not kill" There's no room for exceptions. My Christian-Conservative 'friends' always try and say it's OK for soldiers and people in specific situations, but the Bible doesnt' say anything else but "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

Aint it the truth. Christian conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion, An oxymoron if ever there was! It's ok to kill you once you're born! Now as far as war, if it is profitable, then it's allright to kill the "Enemy", the dead Americans are considered collateral damage along with the hundreds of thousands of civilian dead. The almighty dollar rules! I think that every person that condones this war should have to go there and fight! That would stop the damn thing!

[LuckyNiner]

One thing you can do, if you'd like to, is put a little promo thread on the main forum urging people to check in with the latest thread in politics and give their opinion, even if they don't normally frequent that forum. Then you could link it . . . That would help drive them there from the main lounge, and I might even come after you and add a little disclaimer that it contains some heated debates. I could also create the promo, too, if you prefer. Above all, I want you see that I think getting those younger opinions is important, too, and that I truly didn't move this thread over some arbitrary "mod power" decision.

That's a wonderful idea.


Aint it the truth. Christian conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion, An oxymoron if ever there was! It's ok to kill you once you're born! Now as far as war, if it is profitable, then it's allright to kill the "Enemy", the dead Americans are considered collateral damage along with the hundreds of thousands of civilian dead. The almighty dollar rules! I think that every person that condones this war should have to go there and fight! That would stop the damn thing!

Well said.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. I tutor students at a middle school, and I'm starting to realize the failures of our education system. Not that NCLB is helping.

Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focussed on issues other than the main one, and the only important one --


THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

[Bong30]

Not soon enough for me :(

Did you read the John Gatto paper I posted? He taught in NY city and wrote The Underground History of American Education. You really might enjoy reading it.

what do you think the clinton years were ike for me..... I just waited him out.

I did not have sexual realations with that women.........LOL

He was the best republican (yes he makes gdub look liberal) president since reagan.

[Bong30]

That's a wonderful idea.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. Sadly, it's true as well.

It seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focused on issues other than the main one, and the only important one -- THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

And the peace it could bring......is what he ment to say.


If it doesnt work i say...lets bring them all home and triple our forces so when we get hit again....we wont fuck around. like we did this time.

[BlueCat]

Yes I am afraid you are right Lucky....I kind of enjoy when a thread takes a detour ....the mind can hide elsewhere for a sec...:)

I am glad you liked the paper, sirkills you should check out the book...

[birdgirl73]

Thanks BG.... your great


Do i have to take name calling from you.....


I was trying.....im done
If you'll read back, Bong, you'll see that I didn't call you a name. I was simply repeating what LuckyNine had said. I don't much care about how literate you are, anyway. If I cared about that with members here, well, I'd be in for fairly steady disappointment. I do care that you get so heated at times that you lose your cool. You have valid arguments, and someday you're going to get to the point where you see that the calmer and cooler you stay as you're making them, the more converts you'll win. Also, the more respect. This is why, among many reasons, it's so troubling for people to listen to Michael Savage. He's a slavering, screaming, emo madman, and until he learns how to keep the crazy-angry-factor in check, no rational, reasonable people can take him seriously.

Truly, no offense intended to you, my friend. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I think you know that.

[Bong30]

If you'll read back, Bong, you'll see that I didn't call you a name. I was simply repeating what LuckyNine had said. I don't much care about how literate you are, anyway. If I cared about that with members here, well, I'd be in for fairly steady disappointment. I do care that you get so heated at times that you lose your cool. You have valid arguments, and someday you're going to get to the point where you see that the calmer and cooler you stay as you're making them, the more converts you'll win. Also, the more respect. This is why, among many reasons, it's so troubling for people to listen to Michael Savage. He's a slavering, screaming, emo madman, and until he learns how to keep the crazy-angry-factor in check, no rational, reasonable people can take him seriously.

Truly, no offense intended to you, my friend. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I think you know that.


I dont know that..... take all the shots at me you want.....

[birdgirl73]

I'm not going to take shots at you, Bong, and I didn't mean to with my repetition of that word earlier. If that hurt you, I regret it and apologize. You can deny this if you want to, but I do think that, deep down, you know it's important to me to be courteous and civil to folks. Heck, you even know the reasons why better than most. (The life-is-frighteningly-short-we-might-as-well-be-nice lesson I learned in early November when I lost my sister.)

You can choose to be hurt and offended by my repeating that word, or you can choose to see that that repetition wasn't intended maliciously. In the end, I suspect my record of taking the high road will still reflect pretty darn well in comparison to some others I can think of . . . . And if you do choose the hurt-offended route, that'll reveal a lot more about yourself than you might realize.

Love and light to you, Bong. From one of the smartest liberals you'll ever encounter. (And one of the most tolerant, too.)

[Bong30]

I allways thought of you as a Level headed democrat.


Im just illiterate.........


if you want to call your self a dumb Lib go ahead, and hang out with Mickey Moore and your girl Cindy sheehan......great company.

Im done BG... you take your shots ill take mine

that wasnt the first time BTW....

[birdgirl73]

I'm not going to take shots, Bong. That's my point. And if you choose to take the low road in response to me, you'll want to think again about that.

Actually, I am a level-headed Democrat. You are the one who combines "dumb" with "lib."

[BlueCat]

what do you think the clinton years were ike for me..... I just waited him out.

I did not have sexual realations with that women.........LOL

He was the best republican (yes he makes gdub look liberal) president since reagan.

I personally do not like the Clintons because of their involvement in arms deals...I don't trust either of them but I would take a Clinton over a Bush any day. There have always been presidents involved in sex in the White House you live in a fantasy land if you think any different. This was one of the first times it has been brought to light.

I personally am not that prudish....

[Bong30]

Just think if Hilary (she wont) won
This is our presidents for the last how ever long....

Bush
bush
clinton
clinton
bush
bush
clinton

Does anyone see anything wrong with that.?

[birdgirl73]

Yeah, that is pretty perverse now that I see it listed that way. Good eye-opener!

I'd definitely like another name than Clinton on the end there. Hillary can't win anway. She might get a nomination, but she'll lose it for our team if she does. Too much deep hate and mistrust of her. That's why we need Obama and Edwards to really step up to the plate and join together, I think.

[BlueCat]

Yeah, that is pretty perverse now that I see it listed that way. Good eye-opener!

I'd definitely like another name than Clinton on the end there. Hillary can't win anway. She might get a nomination, but she'll lose it for our team if she does. Too much deep hate and mistrust of her. That's why we need Obama and Edwards to really step up to the plate and join together, I think.

YES!!! I agree!:D :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Just think if Hilary (she wont) won
This is our presidents for the last how ever long....

Bush
bush
clinton
clinton
bush
bush
clinton

Does anyone see anything wrong with that.?

Definately! Clinton is used to being surrounded by bush. Having a Clinton without a bush on both sides just don't seem right.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

That's a wonderful idea.



Well said.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. I tutor students at a middle school, and I'm starting to realize the failures of our education system. Not that NCLB is helping.

Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focussed on issues other than the main one, and the only important one --


THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

I know this thread is suppose to be about Iraq...I am going to look up some other stuff and start a thread on the US education system...I swear I was never so disappointed in all my life...Our current system beats kids down and runs on intimidation...hope you'll contribute :)

[PigSnout]

THEN SIGN UP don't give me any of that bullshit. YOU ARE A FAKE. My HUSBAND went to Vietnam and so did my dad. You love YOU and the little war games you play on your video game. This is real life. Be a man and join up if you agree with what the president is doing.

That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

[BlueCat]

That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

It is silly IF taken out of context...if you look at his other posts he promotes war. Anyone that actually talks as if they ENJOY what is going down in this war should be with the boots on the ground.

Yes if you are saying lets go kick their asses lets nuke the entire middle east you should keep your mouth shut...If you are not brave enough to put yourself in the same danger you want our troops to be in YES I believe you should just shut your mouth.

READ his posts and his other threads then you can tell me how silly I am.

[Psycho4Bud]

That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

LMAO! How did that go again.......your been pwnd.

Really though, you know my feelings regarding all this but do ya really think that they would take a 44 year old two pack a day smoker? Get real. IF they would, I wouldn't be moderating this site right now. Believe it or not....doesn't really matter.

My grandfather served, my father, my son. The ONLY reason I didn't was because of a medical.......hell, they told me about it at the physical. I was in a treatment facility when I was 16 due to the matter of my parents not appreciating me being just a tad stoned.:rasta: When I tried to join, they said I had a mental disorder (I'm feeling much better now!:D ). I guess being a tad high wasn't appeciated by the military at that time either.:(

I encouraged my son to join and IF he decided to reenlist I would support him and his decision 100%. He says the M1A1 is the best offroad vehicle he's ever drove. I guess them things can go into a side slide if ya do it right.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

COMPLETELY off subject.......kind of........but you have to check out the thread starter here. Kinda fits....not really. :rasta:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=1187842#post1187842

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

Actually the national guard will take you...my husband was 36 when he went through basic training for the secong time...just give up weed for a few weeks. Trust me they will get you into shape.

And you won't have to talk your son into re enlisting Psycho everyone we know that has been active for the last 5 years has gotten a letter. Tell him to just keep checking the mail....or head to Canada which ever path he choses I respect it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Actually the national guard will take you...my husband was 36 when he went through basic training for the secong time...just give up weed for a few weeks. Trust me they will get you into shape.

And you won't have to talk your son into re enlisting Psycho everyone we know that has been active for the last 5 years has gotten a letter. Tell him to just keep checking the mail....or head to Canada which ever path he choses I respect it.

That's a big no way on the Guard also........tried it. THEY don't like ya being a tad high either. I should get some Dems to look into this for discrimination!:mad:

As for Canada.....lol....he can either do what he signed on the dotted line for or have a size 11 stuck up his ass for life. Running from ANY OBLIGATION is wrong! I can understand that when some of these folk were out they thought all was good but they also knew that they were definately committed for a period of so many years.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

LOL.........another way of looking at it.

John 4:16 God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son

Doesn't the world also include Iraq? I thought only neo-cons believed that God blessed America. :D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

Sure whatever you can live with...Psycho

if this becomes a nuclear war you can cover your ass with your flag... I am taking my family as far away from the battle as I can get. .

Keep pretended that the lines are not being drawn. This has nothing to do with the Bible or your patriotic duty. I hope you peek out from under your stars and stripes in time to see whats really happening.

I am not prepared to sacrifice my son because Christains and Muslims want to go to different heavens...even though they both claim to pray to the same God. Oh and they want to blow each other up to get there. Yes that makes a lot of sense I'll let my son die for that cause :rolleyes:

You want to sacrifice your child for this bullshit go ahead, this is a subject in which we are always going to differ. It is best just to agree to disagree.

[BlueCat]

Sinclair Lewis said it best....“When fascism comes to America it will be draped in the flag and carrying the cross.”

[Psycho4Bud]

Sure whatever you can live with...Psycho

if this becomes a nuclear war you can cover your ass with your flag... I am taking my family as far away from the battle as I can get.

SURE! YOU want Iran to have the option of going nuclear. YOU want to leave Iraq in the hands of terrorists. Then when Iran developes their weapons and the nukes fly YOU want to run and cover. THANK YOU!

Maybe if we take care of buisiness now you won't have to run. Your husband in the guard, son in the service......what do they feel about ma's anti-U.S. rhetoric? I'm sorry but it's almost like your bitch slapping your own family.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

what if we did what the libs want, ( cut and Run) and Iran Nuked tele Viv and killed like 80% of the jews......

We know that they dont understand MAD...Ie suicide Bomber proves that.

do we want to wait and see it amad a blah blah jab will do what he says.

Kill the jews.........


Do you libs want the Jews dead?

[Krogith]

SURE! YOU want Iran to have the option of going nuclear. YOU want to leave Iraq in the hands of terrorists. Then when Iran developes their weapons and the nukes fly YOU want to run and cover. THANK YOU!

Maybe if we take care of buisiness now you won't have to run. Your husband in the guard, son in the service......what do they feel about ma's anti-U.S. rhetoric? I'm sorry but it's almost like your bitch slapping your own family.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe? You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power? You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)? You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?

If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now? Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor? Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

[BlueCat]

I think if you really wanted to stop Nuclear proliferation you'd start at the source and fight to end it everywhere not play God by picking and choosing who WE think should have it. Really what is the criteria?

Iran was able to develop their Nuclear power because WE gave them the capabilities and we secretly armed Israel with not just Nuclear power but the bombs. This is a Neocon wet dream, Enjoy.

[BlueCat]

Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe? You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power? You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)? You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?

If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now? Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor? Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

Encore!!! Encore!!!:clap: :clap:

[medicinal]

Do you libs want the Jews dead?Depends, are you Jewish?

[Psycho4Bud]

I think if you really wanted to stop Nuclear proliferation you'd start at the source and fight to end it everywhere not play God by picking and choosing who WE think should have it. Really what is the criteria?

ACTUALLY going to use for power or for building weapons. Ya get right to it though.....they all eventually build a missile.

Iran was able to develop their Nuclear power because WE gave them the capabilities and we secretly armed Israel with not just Nuclear power but the bombs. This is a Neocon wet dream, Enjoy.

Irans nuclear power plants, etc.....was supplied by the Russians. There was a last order for enrichment rods that were held up due to concerns.

LOL........check out where Israel got their nuclear technology from puddy tat! Your beloved FRANCE!!:mad: Do ya need a link??:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe?

They cant.......man is a natural born preditor. All we can do is try to distinguish which ones are a bit intelligent.

You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power?

LOL.......do ya think that China would let Japan start producing nuclear warheads?

You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)?

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles?

You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?
If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now?

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile.

Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then.

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor?

Why gosh, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what's a book? Is this the best you've got?

Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

People also look back at history and think of how many lives would have been saved if the Nazi's were dealt with before WW2. Or do you think that we shouldn't have involved our asses their either?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[mfitzp]

most people from all over the world have lost respect for america and its people over all this the new thing is stupid fucking yanks because your people look so fucking stupid falling for all those lies and all that propagada its the same tactics hitler used and you people are falling for it! WAKE UP!

[Krogith]

Irans nuclear power plants, etc.....was supplied by the Russians. There was a last order for enrichment rods that were held up due to concerns.

LOL........check out where Israel got their nuclear technology from puddy tat! Your beloved FRANCE!!:mad: Do ya need a link??:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

So How are we going to keep nukes away from people? Do you not see how eventually everyone (crazy or not) Allowed to or Not will have Nukes and we should focus on Peace and not Stiring the ( hornets nest) as it where.

You can't honestly think that your going to get rid of(blow up) all who hate someone?

Kill a mans family and he will be mad at you, kill him and his friends will be mad at you, Kill his friends and the town would be mad at you, destroy the town and that country will be mad at you, destroy the country. Guess what? alot of people around YOU will be Mad at you.

Give your enemy Food and Water and make them feel Equal and you might Gain a Brother.

Do not stay on your path of hate there are many people on the same road you will bump into.

[Psycho4Bud]

It would be polite to answer questions before posting more........

Have a good one!:D

[Krogith]

People also look back at history and think of how many lives would have been saved if the Nazi's were dealt with before WW2. Or do you think that we shouldn't have involved our asses their either?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

So we didn't get into WW2 because of Pearl Harbor? As far as I know we didn't care about the Jews, it was good PR tho after.

WOW that reminds me about Iraq lol good thing we went after Sadam and it was for the Shi-ite people, Not because of WMD Sadam didn't have.

Your good at rewriteing history. Go Check out one of them History Books:D

Have a Good one my friend.

[Psycho4Bud]

So we didn't get into WW2 because of Pearl Harbor? As far as I know we didn't care about the Jews, it was good PR tho after.

WOW that reminds me about Iraq lol good thing we went after Sadam and it was for the Shi-ite people, Not because of WMD Sadam didn't have.

Your good at rewriteing history. Go Check out one of them History Books:D

Have a Good one my friend.

LMAO! And that's it for answering my questions? Tell ya what; when I check my history books you check out learn to read from your local library.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Krogith]

LOL.......do ya think that China would let Japan start producing nuclear warheads?and so when china gos to stop japan we have to goto war with China also? O thats right the whole world going to be Peaceful I forgot :rolleyes:

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles? Do you think North Korea is? how about Israel? how about Pakistan?
I think no one shouls say that someone Can Not have them. Why should we if others can't? why should China or Russia for that matter?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.
Yeah and (the country thats being told it's going to be destroyed) should take care of there own problem with out the USA helping.
Why should Israel have nukes and Iran not?

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile. France sold nukes to Israel, so why are we not killing them both?


Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya? Tells me they have Faith. I believe that Jesus is going to destroy all who pick up the sword, and that people need to start wakeing up that mankind will not bring peace.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants. So If North Korea doesn't stop china will kill one of it's few allies? Or if Japan does then China will start a War with the Weaker USA who is spread thin ATM? You can't see how close to WW3 we are can you? You understand that China likes Iran right? Seems like if the USA keep what there doing up China will have alot more Friends.

You know China and Russia have never had such a good friendship than ATM. They are doing Joint Military operations.

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then. You said it your self A WAR WITH IRAN WON'T STOP IT. Slow things up? Thats what I said, you wont stop anything just slow it down and possably make more hate you along the way.

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's.

[BlueCat]

You know Psycho...I spent my morning watching CNN every weekend they show the Medical units and I watch hoping to get a glimpse of Tommy. I have been crying all morning. They were showing a young soldier being taken off of life support and Tommy was just telling me how he had to do that very thing. I turned the TV off then I turned it on again because I realized HE CAN"T turn off. I still had to mute it because I just couldn't take it. I feel so guilty for that. I have put my child into a situation that I could not handle. This is very hard for me and I don't understand YOU not being upset. I don't understand the way you so blindly except this.

I blame myself for pushing my son into the medical field. He wanted to be a cook. He volunteered at the Buddhist temple, he worked at the Owl hospital such a gentle person now maybe I have destroyed what he was. How can you NOT be having a hard time with this. My heart is breaking. When he gets out if he wants to buy a little Sushi bar in Central America I will be behind him 100 %...

I showed my kids the truth about their Government and OTHER governments because I thought it would help them in life. All 3 boys have said once they got out into the real world they were to SO happy to have liberal parents...and I LOVE being called a pinko commie mommy.. you will just have to deal with my anti war posts it is who I am.

my kids said they listened to what we said about the Governments, religions,
etc and of course it went in one ear and out the other they thought we were kinda nuts ...but it really feels good when they call and say you guys were so right...and they thank you.

The problem is by trying to get them to understand MONEY is not the answer and ALWAYS doing what is right is...they want to be in the Peace Corp, they want to be in the Service to be where the world problems are.

I am not going to feel guilty for that but I do feel that I may have encouraged them into dangerous situations because they don't buy the bullshit and they are having to deal with brainwashed nuts who think killing is the answer to everything.

You know it is not rocket science. You know in your heart what right and wrong is. Do you honestly think dropping bombs on innocent people is the right thing to do? Selling people weapons so they can kill more innocent people is WRONG. Killing is WRONG.

This is not about WMDs, it is not about democracy, or womens rights, so you can drop that crap! it is the same imperialist expansionism that has gone one for centuries!

The United States government beleives it is the their job or as Kipling said the "White Man's Burden" of bringing "civilization" to the other races of the world, whether they wanted such civilization or not.

There is no way you guys can dress it up or spin it into bravery. It is cowardly. It is wrong.


You do not create PEACE my killing innocent people you create control and that is only temporary..

Live the fanstasy I understand why you do it..Its the easier path.

[BlueCat]

The US media is virtually silent on a new scientific study that estimates the Iraqi death toll from the US war at 655,000. The study, conducted by Johns Hopkins Universityâ??s Bloomberg School of Public Health and funded by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was posted Wednesday on the web site of the British medical journal, the Lancet.

The study is the only systematic estimate of the number of Iraqi civilians and military personnel to have died as a result of the US invasion and occupation to be brought to the attention of the American and international public.

Unlike previous estimates, which were based on reviews of media reports or tallies made by the US-backed Iraqi government, the Johns Hopkins study was carried out by Iraqi physicians who interviewedâ??often at great personal riskâ??nearly 2,000 families spread across the country, utilizing standard and widely used statistical methods to arrive at an objective estimate of the death toll from the war and occupation.
The vast majority of the reported deaths were substantiated by death certificates.
The study concluded with a 95 percent degree of certainty that the number of â??excess deathsâ?� in Iraq since the invasionâ??the number of people who have died in excess of the number that would be expected on the basis of pre-invasion mortality ratesâ??is between 393,000 and 943,000. The figure of 655,000 is given as the most likely number. This represents an astonishing 2.5 percent of the entire Iraqi population.

The researchers further estimated that about 600,000 of the deaths were due to violence in some form, including gunshots, air strikes and bombings. They concluded that US and allied military forces directly caused at least 31 percentâ??or 186,000â??of the violent deaths.

Some 336,000 people, or 56 percent of those killed in violent actions since the invasion, died from gunshot wounds. The study also found that the number of violent deaths in Iraq has steadily increased every year since the invasion. In the period from June 2005 to June 2006, the researchers found a nearly four-fold increase in the mortality rate relative to pre-invasion levels.

There can be no legitimate doubts about the credibility of the study. Lancet is one of the oldest and most prestigious peer-reviewed medical publications in the world. The Johns Hopkins public health school is the largest in the world, and regularly ranks as the top public health school in the United States. The journal article was reviewed and approved for publication by four independent scientific experts in the area.

It is difficult to overestimate the significance of the report, even if one assumes its low-end estimate of 393,000 Iraqi deaths to be correct.

It demonstrates that the American intervention in Iraq has produced a social and humanitarian catastrophe of historical dimensions, with vast political implications not only in the Middle East, but throughout the world and, above all, in the United States itself.

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[Bong30]

70% killed by iraqis.....

[Krogith]

70% killed by iraqis.....

So that makes it ok? Your sick.

What what the death rate with Sadam in charge?

At least then they hated Sadam now they Hate USA.

Keep pokeing the Nest, Bongo your going to get stung

[BlueCat]

70% killed by iraqis.....

No 70% were killed by insurgents drawn in to the battle by the US OCCUPATION...

We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free

I just love your quote..if you are so fucking FREE then roll you a big joint and take a walk into town!!
Or plant a few nice cannabis plants in your front yard and while you're at it hop in your car and drive across the Canadian border and grab us a few cuban cigars...I'll take a few bottles of tylenol w codiene too

lets just see how FREE you REALLY are. :jointsmile: You'd be labeled a terrorist by nightfall.

Anyone want to take bets? Come one Bong lets see what ya got Mr. Freedom..:rolleyes:

[Psycho4Bud]

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles? Do you think North Korea is? how about Israel? how about Pakistan?
I think no one shouls say that someone Can Not have them. Why should we if others can't? why should China or Russia for that matter?

Can't do much about the nations that have them but we can try to foresee future problems. Iran called for Israels destruction......not that hard of a concept on why Iran shouldn't have them. Which countries that you've mentioned openly did such a thing?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.
Yeah and (the country thats being told it's going to be destroyed) should take care of there own problem with out the USA helping.
Why should Israel have nukes and Iran not?

Because the French went against the world community to make some cash....something some of the people like to ignore about the situation. Once a country has nukes.....games done.

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile. France sold nukes to Israel, so why are we not killing them both?

LOL.......don't get me started on France!


Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya? Tells me they have Faith. I believe that Jesus is going to destroy all who pick up the sword, and that people need to start wakeing up that mankind will not bring peace.

OMG! So that's it? Radical factions believe that Allah wants them to kill all that do not follow the faith. Jesus says "Do Not Kill". Sorry Jesus.......These M.F.s aren't getting off that easy.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants. So If North Korea doesn't stop china will kill one of it's few allies?

Check it out.......they could kill the power and send the entire country into the stone age. How long would the military follow their leaders if that shit happened?

Or if Japan does then China will start a War with the Weaker USA who is spread thin ATM? You can't see how close to WW3 we are can you? You understand that China likes Iran right? Seems like if the USA keep what there doing up China will have alot more Friends.

China likes Iranian oil.......do you really believe that China would have anything to do with Iranian philosophy?

You know China and Russia have never had such a good friendship than ATM. They are doing Joint Military operations.

LOL......they have in the past and if I recall correctly Russia got screwed every time.

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then. You said it your self A WAR WITH IRAN WON'T STOP IT. Slow things up? Thats what I said, you wont stop anything just slow it down and possably make more hate you along the way.

Iran currently have 11.5 million people marked for death.....what does that tell you?

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's.

I recall the same thing at the end of the Reagan days. The world hated us.......oh well. Why don't they just cut off trade if we're doing so many bad things? What other country in the world is ran in an order just to please everyone else? It's tough to be the big dog........ya get alot more knats.:D

Thanks for the reply by the way..:rasta:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

You know Psycho...I spent my morning watching CNN every weekend they show the Medical units and I watch hoping to get a glimpse of Tommy. I have been crying all morning. They were showing a young soldier being taken off of life support and Tommy was just telling me how he had to do that very thing. I turned the TV off then I turned it on again because I realized HE CAN"T turn off. I still had to mute it because I just couldn't take it. I feel so guilty for that. I have put my child into a situation that I could not handle. This is very hard for me and I don't understand YOU not being upset. I don't understand the way you so blindly except this.

I blame myself for pushing my son into the medical field. He wanted to be a cook. He volunteered at the Buddhist temple, he worked at the Owl hospital such a gentle person now maybe I have destroyed what he was. How can you NOT be having a hard time with this. My heart is breaking. When he gets out if he wants to buy a little Sushi bar in Central America I will be behind him 100 %...

I showed my kids the truth about their Government and OTHER governments because I thought it would help them in life. All 3 boys have said once they got out into the real world they were to SO happy to have liberal parents...and I LOVE being called a pinko commie mommy.. you will just have to deal with my anti war posts it is who I am.

my kids said they listened to what we said about the Governments, religions,
etc and of course it went in one ear and out the other they thought we were kinda nuts ...but it really feels good when they call and say you guys were so right...and they thank you.

The problem is by trying to get them to understand MONEY is not the answer and ALWAYS doing what is right is...they want to be in the Peace Corp, they want to be in the Service to be where the world problems are.

I am not going to feel guilty for that but I do feel that I may have encouraged them into dangerous situations because they don't buy the bullshit and they are having to deal with brainwashed nuts who think killing is the answer to everything.

You know it is not rocket science. You know in your heart what right and wrong is. Do you honestly think dropping bombs on innocent people is the right thing to do? Selling people weapons so they can kill more innocent people is WRONG. Killing is WRONG.

This is not about WMDs, it is not about democracy, or womens rights, so you can drop that crap! it is the same imperialist expansionism that has gone one for centuries!

The United States government beleives it is the their job or as Kipling said the "White Man's Burden" of bringing "civilization" to the other races of the world, whether they wanted such civilization or not.

There is no way you guys can dress it up or spin it into bravery. It is cowardly. It is wrong.


You do not create PEACE my killing innocent people you create control and that is only temporary..

Live the fanstasy I understand why you do it..Its the easier path.

I respect your opinions.....don't understand concerning the fact of your hubby and son but hey, not a big deal. Your right to your own thoughts.

Consider the U.S./Canada on the order of a Green Zone. Pretty quiet here compared to the rest of the world. Problem is, there are those that don't care for the standard of living of the Green Zone. We need people that will insure your right and opportunity to make these statements in a realitivly safe enviroment.

We need people like me and Bong to show the world that it's not good to piss on our boots and we need the BlueCats, etc...to show the world that there is compassion here also. (got that bit from SouthPark) It's true though.......:D

Keep up the good fight.....I will.:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

Thanks P4B i had to get some diner....

I had beef burt ends, from the brick yard BarbQ....

Yummy KC style with pickles and sweet sauce.....


Since we are there it is our fault, they kill each other......

They didnt kill under saddam cause they would have been killed them selves........

so that makes Saddam the best for them....(lib thinking)





When will they put there dumb religon aside.....

when they are Iraqis first, before they are Muslims they will be done killing each other.

They are too dumb for that though........

[Psycho4Bud]

When will they put there dumb religon aside.....

when they are Iraqis first, before they are Muslims they will be done killing each other.

They are too dumb for that though........

See the plan for distribution of oil profits? Each Iraqi citizen will recieve an estimated yearly check for $3,500. Husband and wife would be $7,000. At the present their average yearly income is $1,500.

Now think about it. The average yearly income in the U.S. is about $42,000. What if at the end of the year checks in the sum of $90,000 to everyone of voting age with estimations of nothing but increase were sent out? MOST people would be VERY content. :D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Krogith]

Can't do much about the nations that have them but we can try to foresee future problems. Iran called for Israels destruction......not that hard of a concept on why Iran shouldn't have them. Which countries that you've mentioned openly did such a thing?
Israel has made countless veiled nuclear threats against the Arab nations and against the Soviet Union (and by extension Russia since the end of the Cold War). One chilling example comes from Ariel Sharon, the current Israeli Prime Minister "Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches."

In another example, Israeli nuclear expert Oded Brosh said in 1992, "...we need not be ashamed that the nuclear option is a major instrumentality of our defense as a deterrent against those who attack us." According to [Israeli human rights activist] Israel Shahak (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/october01/0110071.html), "The wish for peace, so often assumed as the Israeli aim, is not in my view a principle of Israeli policy, while the wish to extend Israeli domination and influence is." and "Israel is preparing for a war, nuclear if need be, for the sake of averting domestic change not to its liking, if it occurs in some or any Middle Eastern states.... Israel clearly prepares itself to seek overtly a hegemony over the entire Middle East..., without hesitating to use for the purpose all means available, including nuclear ones."

...[sraeli Foreign Minister] Shimon Peres; "acquiring a superior weapons system (read nuclear) would mean the possibility of using it for compellent purposes - that is forcing the other side to accept Israeli political demands, which presumably include a demand that the traditional status quo be accepted and a peace treaty signed." From a slightly different perspective, Robert Tuckerr asked in a Commentary magazine article in defense of Israeli nukes, "What would prevent Israel... from pursuing a hawkish policy employing a nuclear deterrent to freeze the status quo?"
.....Another major use of the Israeli bomb is to compel the U.S. to act in Israel's favor, even when it runs counter to its own strategic interests. As early as 1956 Francis Perrin, head of the French A-bomb project wrote "We thought the Israeli Bomb was aimed at the Americans, not to launch it at the Americans, but to say, 'If you don't want to help us in a critical situation we will require you to help us; otherwise we will use our nuclear bombs.'" During the 1973 war, Israel used nuclear blackmail to force Kissinger and Nixon to airlift massive amounts of military hardware to Israel. The Israeli Ambassador, Simha Dinitz, is quoted as saying, at the time, "If a massive airlift to Israel does not start immediately, then I will know that the U.S. is reneging on its promises and...we will have to draw very serious conclusions..." Just one example of this strategy was spelled out in 1987 by Amos Rubin, economic adviser to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who said "If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large... To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid." ....

....It is clear from Israel Shahak that Israel has no interest in peace except that which is dictated on its own terms, and has absolutely no intention of negotiating in good faith to curtail its nuclear program or discuss seriously a nuclear-free Middle East,"Israel's insistence on the independent use of its nuclear weapons can be seen as the foundation on which Israeli grand strategy rests."
According to Seymour Hersh, "the size and sophistication of Israel's nuclear arsenal allows men such as Ariel Sharon to dream of redrawing the map of the Middle East aided by the implicit threat of nuclear force." .... Ze'ev Shiff, an Israeli military expert writing in Haaretz said, "Whoever believes that Israel will ever sign the UN Convention prohibiting the proliferation of nuclear weapons... is day dreaming," and Munya Mardoch, Director of the Israeli Institute for the Development of Weaponry, said in 1994, "The moral and political meaning of nuclear weapons is that states which renounce their use are acquiescing to the status of Vassal states. All those states which feel satisfied with possessing conventional weapons alone are fated to become vassal states."

..... Seymour Hersh warns, "Should war break out in the Middle East again,... or should any Arab nation fire missiles against Israel, as the Iraqis did, a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong probability." Ezar Weissman, Israel's current President said "The nuclear issue is gaining momentum (and the) next war will not be conventional." Russia and before it the Soviet Union has long been a major (if not the major) target of Israeli nukes. It is widely reported that the principal purpose of Jonathan Pollard's spying for Israel was to furnish satellite images of Soviet targets and other super sensitive data relating to U.S. nuclear targeting strategy. (Since launching its own satellite in 1988, Israel no longer needs U.S. spy secrets.) Israeli nukes aimed at the Russian heartland seriously complicate disarmament and arms control negotiations and, at the very least, the unilateral possession of nuclear weapons by Israel is enormously destabilizing, and dramatically lowers the threshold for their actual use, if not for all out nuclear war


Because the French went against the world community to make some cash....something some of the people like to ignore about the situation. Once a country has nukes.....games done. There All going to have one soon enouf. Lets start the plain that brings peace to that time.


OMG! So that's it? Radical factions believe that Allah wants them to kill all that do not follow the faith. Jesus says "Do Not Kill". Sorry Jesus.......These M.F.s aren't getting off that easy. 1. All Muslims don't want everyone dead. 2. Jesus wont let everyone who belives in him die, he wants you to follow his rules tho.


Check it out.......they could kill the power and send the entire country into the stone age. How long would the military follow their leaders if that shit happened? China wants North Korea to have nukes IMO

China likes Iranian oil.......do you really believe that China would have anything to do with Iranian philosophy? Yeah and what makes you think China wants Israel or USA to hold the oil power in Iran?


Iran currently have 11.5 million people marked for death.....what does that tell you? That the Jews want them dead also? Soon you and I are going to see Israel attack Iran and then Beg for our help. They will use mini Nukes on a nation that has no Nukes and not be able to handle the Retaliation.

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's. These CEO's are the same pushing for these wars.

[Bong30]

Krogith you got to break eggs to make an omlet.....

and i cant make heads or tails of that last post....

[Bong30]

See the plan for distribution of oil profits? Each Iraqi citizen will recieve an estimated yearly check for $3,500. Husband and wife would be $7,000. At the present their average yearly income is $1,500.

Now think about it. The average yearly income in the U.S. is about $42,000. What if at the end of the year checks in the sum of $90,000 to everyone of voting age with estimations of nothing but increase were sent out? MOST people would be VERY content. :D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I herd about that... why isnt the media....playing all the time?

Ill tell ya (all though you know allready)

Cause they want to put the american death count in your face and they only have so much time....so they go with the dead american stories...not the money for the Iraqis....

The left leaning media sucks......

:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

Krogith you got to break eggs to make an omlet.....

and i cant make heads or tails of that last post....


HAHAHAHAHAHA why am I not surprised. :D :D

You are like having Kelso from that 70s show on our threads...I love it :D :D :D

[Psycho4Bud]

I herd about that... why isnt the media....playing all the time?

Just the nature of the beast. Which headline would see more papers?

BoyScout helps elderly lady across busy street.
BoyScout throws elderly lady into busy street.

Says alot about society as a whole. Good news doesn't sell.........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

No shit....


what if they reported like 10% more good news?

the average Joe (people in here are above average political IQ imo) would see that being there IS worth it....

I herd a general say the other day...

its not RECONSTRUCTION there is no RE, it is being built for the first time.

it is construction.....

we dont hear shit.....

[BlueCat]

I respect your opinions.....don't understand concerning the fact of your hubby and son but hey, not a big deal. Your right to your own thoughts.

Consider the U.S./Canada on the order of a Green Zone. Pretty quiet here compared to the rest of the world. Problem is, there are those that don't care for the standard of living of the Green Zone. We need people that will insure your right and opportunity to make these statements in a realitivly safe enviroment.

We need people like me and Bong to show the world that it's not good to piss on our boots and we need the BlueCats, etc...to show the world that there is compassion here also. (got that bit from SouthPark) It's true though.......:D


Keep up the good fight.....I will.:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Really I guess that's suppose to be nice and all Psycho..but honestly you have seen his posts..his hatred, his racism, his name calling and you consider yourself in good company what does that say about you?

Trust me we do not need the likes of either of you if this is the way you think the world should be. You can't understand my way of thinking AND my being a military brat because YOU simply don't understand The REAL military families that have been in this shit forever. The ones that have had it with kids dying and losing their legs so the Bush twins can spend a few more warm nights in Rio and some other rich bastard can line his wallet.

The guys want to help those people in Iraq but the Sunni and Shia have been fighting for hundreds of years. You are not going to go in and convince one fraction that they are not descendents of Abraham or the other that they are not descendents of Muhammad.

You do not understand because you have not been surrounded by religion your entire life, you haven't struggled against a dictator. You make no effort to understand their culture. That is evident by the things you post and your support of Bong.

You expect our soldiers to go in there and put 800 years of struggle to rest and you think it can be forced on these people with guns. How deluded is that? These radical Islamics believe they are fighting a religious war for their souls and you guys reenforce the bullshit.

You just don't get it building a McDonalds and a Wal-Mart simply won't fix this one. Money won't fix it and neither will oil. The only thing that will stop the violence is to GET OUT.

Not everyone in the military are blood thirty killers like you guys get off on thinking there are many many past and present heroes... the bad guys are the arm chair warriors that really DON'T know SHIT but want so called "freedom" at any cost..You two would drop bombs from your lazyboys if they'd let you!

We don't have proper schools in this country!! Our education is some of the WORST in the world.

We don't have proper medical care for half this country. I know family after family that can't buy enough food to make it though the week.

I know college students that are eating out of dumpsters behind cafes and can't turn their heat on AND pay their tuition. We won't even go into the corporate raping of students and school books.

We can't even secure our own borders and you think we can do it in Iraq? Why should we? Why do you support social efforts in a country in which you hate the people and their religion? You guys are real patriots. :rolleyes:
I want our soldiers to come home and start protectingTHEIR country we need them right here at home. You guys keep on supporting Iraq. I will support Americans. In case you have not noticed the majority in this country wants this war to stop NOW.

[Bong30]

Most of the people in this country are brain washed by the left leaning media....

thats why?

what if they reported 10% more good news.....

they dont, so average joe believe what the media says.....

3000 dead

3001 dead

3002 dead


what if it was 3000 insurgents dead

3001 dead

3002 dead

10 school open

30 million voted

new water sytem

cell phones have gone up 700% ( talk to family) thats good huh?

dont hear shit about that stuff

[Bong30]

wecould nuke the fuck out of them that would stop the shit....

Mecca,

Madina,

damascus,

terahn during friday pryers.....


that would stop the shit and start the reformation.....same way we did the Japs and that stoped that war.

The ultimate solution to the ultimate problem.....


Hey BC. NO americans will die either......


we could nuke a micky ds for you BC......

[Bong30]

Consequences of Nuking Mecca
By: Vernon Richards, author of â??Islam Undressedâ??

Because a war of attrition heavily favors their ultimate goals, Islamist terrorists have so far not been deterred by large numbers of their young men being killed. Life is cheap to them, even their own, and so they remain unmoved by their losses and still lust for power through murder. Their grass-roots support base, billions of Muslims world-wide, can still be counted on to largely support their efforts, even if only passively. If sufficiently humbled, then at some point the majority of Muslims might yet choose to abandon violence and stop their sons, or at least temporarily withdraw their jihadist forces to established realms of influence (just as the Turkish hordes did after being soundly defeated by the Polish cavalry). But any decision to withdraw will not come by either negotiation or accommodation, but only through abject humiliation and defeat. What form of defeat will suffice to convince Islam to put the Jihad genie back in the bottle is a subject of widespread debate. Pacifists blithely claim more therapy, understanding, and multiculturalism is the way, and will likely continue to spout such nonsense right up until the Halal knife slices their throat. They congratulate themselves for being so open-minded, oblivious that their brains have fallen out. Happily self-blinded by excessive relativism, they can no longer distinguish right from wrong, good from evil, or dark from light.
Those more personally touched by Islamic methods, and with the ability to realize you cannot create sweets from bile, often prefer methods of â??total warâ??. Our enemies remain free to plan and perpetrate never-ending acts of total war designed to destroy the very fabric of our society. Failure to respond with even greater destructiveness will only serve to prolong this struggle. In any contest, the first rule of victory is to fight on your own terms and not your opponents. In any violent struggle, victory goes to the most ferocious and skilled. As Patton said, let the other poor bastard die for his country, our objective is to fight and win. We must fight with more energy, more cunning, more intelligence, and more ferocity than the cunning animals seeking our demise. It is simply suicidal to refuse to fight a people and culture who are motivated, mobilized, and pledged to destroy you. The true terrorists, the men and nations brainwashing, supplying, and ordering terrorist attacks, would prefer they remain unmolested. They are quite happy to let us use our police, military, and intelligence to play cat and mouse with their endless supply of terrorist foot-soldiers in this contest stacked against us. In this war, victory will go to the party most effective in convincing the opposing party that surrender is preferable to a continuation of hostilities, and so victory will remain out of reach to us as long as the enablers and handlers remain safe. Muslim survivalists will only force the end to the terrorist activities springing up from amongst them when made to pay a terrible price. One â??terrible priceâ?? currently under debate is an nuclear attack on Mecca should any 9/11 scale attack (or larger) occur on US soil. I am in favor of such planning in the event of a catastrophic strike against America, because I believe the burden of loss needs to be shifted decidedly to fundamental Muslims themselves (and what they value most) if there is to be any hope of ending all this madness. To yield to Islamists demands and take the option off the table would be strategically stupid. Unfortunately, the only thing an insanity respects is greater insanity.

But as has been pointed out by Robert Spencer, Nuking Mecca could also be seen by Islamists as a weak action and could serve to unify Muslims and increase Jihad. But this is only true if not done properly and the city is left salvageable within a few years. Once devoted Muslims carry out their next major strike on America, the Mecca plan should be carried out without hesitation or warning. No Hiroshima class atomic wimp-weapon will do, only the 1,000 times more powerful hydrogen fusion device will work for this important job. To be done correctly, a grid of 9 of our most powerful Hydrogen bombs (3x3, every 12 miles, the black stone at the center) are set off at the surface to be as dirty as possible, rendering the entire region uninhabitable for the next few decades. The strike is then repeated every 5 years or so if any kind of clean-up is attempted. Medina needs one too, to prevent Arabs from declaring the transference of the holy site to the secondary location, but Mecca needs to be thoroughly â??glassifiedâ??.
Muslims will thereby learn by force-feeding that their hateful God (Allah) cannot protect them and is a figment of their collective imagination, and millions will leave the failed cult. Nothing harms an Arab more than humiliation and defeat. They sincerely believe that their most-powerful Allah has promised to protect and preserve Mecca, and so their false faith in the Pagan deity will crumble with the meteorite in the intense heat and pressure of a fusion fireball. Can a billion Moslems worldwide face radioactive glass 5 times a day and still take it seriously, I donâ??t think so, or at least not over the long term. Cut off the head and the snake will still squirm for a while, but it will soon stop. In addition, by preventing Muslims from -ever- performing one of the pillars (requirements) of Islam, we block their way to paradise, but thereby actually save them from real hell (Islam is hell-on-earth is this life, and brings only sorrow and torment in the next). When the time comes, by all means, Nuke Mecca, â?¦but do it right. By this act, and this act alone, many intelligent Arabs, Persians, Egyptians, and Asians will stop their foolish ideas of superiority, and so curb their sanctimonious rationales to commit hateful acts of murder, rape, slavery, and violence. Domestic Muslims will need to be controlled for a while, with heavy doses of education and trauma therapy applied. If they can commit to opposing Muhammad and his methods, then in a generation or two Islamic nonsense will not be worshiped by their children. If they can make no such binding commitment, then deportation is in order. As Hiroshima saved more lives than it took 60 years ago, so will thoroughly nuking Islamic sites save more lives than will be taken otherwise, including possibly yours, mine, and your children and my children.

While we all hope such measures are unnecessary, to fail to plan for that eventuality is to plan to fail. If we were to Nuke major cities in Iran and Syria, the root of Islam in Mecca would remain and worldwide faith in Muhammad and his vile methods would be strengthened instead of weakened. Such a weak act would embolden the movement and the gains in destroying America would be perceived as well worth the cost. In the mean time, while we all await for the rumored catastrophe, a concerted effort to supply Persians with the means and weapons to overthrow the Mullahs is urgently needed in Iran. Our Persian allies in this effort need to understand that they will likely die with the Mullahs in the inevitable nuclear storm which will follow should they fail. The Kurds of northern Syria are also salvageable, but there is hardly anything else worth preserving in Syria. As I have been informed by Jordanian and Lebanon Arabs, Syrians are not to be trusted, and for reason.



Lets end this shit, or they could reform there dumb religon

[BlueCat]

I have toyed with you long enough...in all future posts you will be known as Evil Kelso....hahahahaha

Evil Kelso reads "The Wealth of Nations" HAHAHAHA I should make a comic book of that!

[BlueCat]

Cut and paste Bong cut and paste but are you actually reading it?

No Evil Kelso can't read because the American education system is in shambles...so he tries to find a copy of Wealth of Nations with pictures And the funny thing is there IS one...put out by the Neocons

HAHAHAHA this is gonna make a great comic...oh man too much weed today :stoned: hahahaha but I needed the laugh. thanks Evil Kelso :D LMAO

[Psycho4Bud]

Really I guess that's suppose to be nice and all Psycho..but honestly you have seen his posts..his hatred, his racism, his name calling and you consider yourself in good company what does that say about you?

There are a few from your side of the fence also that don't have daisys poppin' from their posts. Your point is?

Trust me we do not need the likes of either of you if this is the way you think the world should be. You can't understand my way of thinking AND my being a military brat because YOU simply don't understand The REAL military families that have been in this shit forever. The ones that have had it with kids dying and losing their legs so the Bush twins can spend a few more warm nights in Rio and some other rich bastard can line his wallet.

LMAO! Is that YOUR version of freedom? YOUR opinion and thats it?

The guys want to help those people in Iraq but the Sunni and Shia have been fighting for hundreds of years. You are not going to go in and convince one fraction that they are not descendents of Abraham or the other that they are not descendents of Muhammad.

There are many of the middle eastern countries where the two live in peace. They may not care for each other but they do co-exist.

You do not understand because you have not been surrounded by religion your entire life, you haven't struggled against a dictator. You make no effort to understand their culture. That is evident by the things you post and your support of Bong.

I find that a bit insultive. Since "91" I decided to study the regions history and found the religious aspect VERY interesting. How much of the Quran have you read. I've read versions from various sites in order to get a better perspective on THIER views. Granted, the U.S. hasn't been angels over there but the main point of resentment is from a pre-U.S. era.

You expect our soldiers to go in there and put 800 years of struggle to rest and you think it can be forced on these people with guns. How deluded is that? These radical Islamics believe they are fighting a religious war for their souls and you guys reenforce the bullshit.

Our mission isn't to put "800 years of stuggle to rest" but to help them co-exist like in the rest of the region. You also have to remember that neither was/is very fond of Kurds but yet you don't hear of any Kurdish insurgency.

You just don't get it building a McDonalds and a Wal-Mart simply won't fix this one. Money won't fix it and neither will oil. The only thing that will stop the violence is to GET OUT.

$3,500 per each Iraqi registered. We'll see.....do I get to watch you eat crow or should I just take your word for it? LOL.......post a pic for us.

Not everyone in the military are blood thirty killers like you guys get off on thinking there are many many past and present heroes... the bad guys are the arm chair warriors that really DON'T know SHIT but want so called "freedom" at any cost..You two would drop bombs from your lazyboys if they'd let you!

WE are the bad guys. Hell ya, it's worse to state an opinion than to wear a suicide vest into a market. COME ON NOW!

We don't have proper schools in this country!! Our education is some of the WORST in the world.

Are you serious? Whats our rank.........got a link from a reputable site?

We don't have proper medical care for half this country. I know family after family that can't buy enough food to make it though the week.

I know college students that are eating out of dumpsters behind cafes and can't turn their heat on AND pay their tuition. We won't even go into the corporate raping of students and school books.

Woudn't it be nice if we had the oil reserves in proportion to that of Iraq. Image it, it would be like these people received a check for $90,000 each year form the government. THAT would take care of your complaints and many other peoples. See my point at all about the payout in Iraq for $3,500?

We can't even secure our own borders and you think we can do it in Iraq? Why should we? Why do you support social efforts in a country in which you hate the people and their religion? You guys are real patriots. :rolleyes:
I want our soldiers to come home and start protectingTHEIR country we need them right here at home. You guys keep on supporting Iraq. I will support Americans. In case you have not noticed the majority in this country wants this war to stop NOW.

I don't hate the people or their religion. If they can tolorate others I can tolorate them. There are many, many fine Muslims out there and I've NEVER stated any different. The KKK follows the Baptist religion pretty much but does that mean that all Baptists are racist? HELL NO!

Back in the old days my friend we would have been having a good ol' war about some of these accusations but I don't feel right doing that shit these days for obvious reasons.

Bong30 rips up on some.......and I see it's thrown back in his face from different directions. EVERYONE in here has a right to an opinion no matter what it is (to a point).

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

BC, I use to be in this club called. DECA distributive Education Clubs Of America.

I had this teacher that used to freak out on him...He would print parts of his works and different works, of similar nature, and then we used to talk about how socialism would not work.

So i have read many parts of it, been tested on it, and dicussed it in a classroom setting

I would compete in the DECA clubs in General Marketing and do very well.

I got As in Micro and Macro Econ in college too......

Thanks For asking...I do not remeber reading the wealth of nations cover to cover though No.

Thanks again....