freemasonry

[BigNugs4U]

Any freemasons in the house?

[BigNugs4U]

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[the yeag]

yes. hello brother

[the yeag]

lodge 446

[JunkYard]

How does one become a freemason? They have always intrigued me, and I know nothing about them, lol!


~Junk~

[HiProGlow]

To be one, ask one.

[orange floyd]

i have a vague knowledge of masons, but my only question is: why?

not in a negative way or anything, i just don't understant what the group has to offer. from what i've heard/read, it seems like a very secretive social organization that does various "things" that no one seems to know about (lol), and has somewhat of a connection with the occult (although this is not universal, and i understand that freemasonry isnt a religion).

could someone give me more info?

[the yeag]

Freemason's are a group of MEN who share like beliefs in life, family, we do not talk about religion or politics. If you are a positive like minded male above the age of 18, you may ask a local lodge for a petition then the other brothers will vote on it. then you will be asked to let a few brothers into your home to meet with you and see if free masonry is something you would like to be a part of.

[MastaChronic]

so..........theyre a super secret gay club?

[orange floyd]

whats with the shit ive heard about Aleister Crowley talking to the freemasons because he supposedly had something in the book of lies that seemed identical to mason beliefs?

and what exactly are the "ideas" that you share about family,life,etc.

[stinkyattic]

so..........theyre a super secret gay club?

*sigh*

Anyway the origin of the Freemasons-back in the day- Geez it was in Roman times from what I can piece together- They were an educated bunch of dudes who knew the secret to the keystone style of arch-building, which as you all (well most of you) may know is the strongest type of arch, and that which allowed later architecture (ARCHitecture...hmm! VY important!) to develop much larger and stronger indoor spaces which were less prone to collapse than previous types of structures such as those built by the Greeks. Now, Rome was sacked by tribal peoples fro mNorthern Europe, throwing the continent largely into chaos and obviously survival, rather than scholarship and the erection of buildings and monuments, became the main focus... the secrets of the keystone may have been lost, except that the secret Masonic society formed to protect it, among other important pieces of knowledge. Now I certainly hope that I am not giving masons credit for the activities of other secret societies, but another function of these fraternal organizations has been to protect scientific writings and knowledge from destruction ot the hands of religious persecutors as the Catholic church has been at times in history... and some may argue is still the case today. I won't disagree. Anyway I wish that people would stop posting such ignorant fucking homophobic nonsense. I thought that on the spirituality board we were supposed to be RESPECTFUL? Asking too much I see...

[MastaChronic]

*sigh*

Anyway the origin of the Freemasons-back in the day- Geez it was in Roman times from what I can piece together- They were an educated bunch of dudes who knew the secret to the keystone style of arch-building, which as you all (well most of you) may know is the strongest type of arch, and that which allowed later architecture (ARCHitecture...hmm! VY important!) to develop much larger and stronger indoor spaces which were less prone to collapse than previous types of structures such as those built by the Greeks. Now, Rome was sacked by tribal peoples fro mNorthern Europe, throwing the continent largely into chaos and obviously survival, rather than scholarship and the erection of buildings and monuments, became the main focus... the secrets of the keystone may have been lost, except that the secret Masonic society formed to protect it, among other important pieces of knowledge. Now I certainly hope that I am not giving masons credit for the activities of other secret societies, but another function of these fraternal organizations has been to protect scientific writings and knowledge from destruction ot the hands of religious persecutors as the Catholic church has been at times in history... and some may argue is still the case today. I won't disagree. Anyway I wish that people would stop posting such ignorant fucking homophobic nonsense. I thought that on the spirituality board we were supposed to be RESPECTFUL? Asking too much I see...

i know they used to be that, but maybe not anymore.........
anyways, it was a joke.
lighten up.

[stinkyattic]

lighten up.
no thanks
I'm always serious when it comes to making fun of others' beliefs, race, sexual orientations, etc etc
Perhaps you should lighten up a bit... seems you've been on the butt end of my lectures a bit lately, eh?

[MastaChronic]

no thanks
I'm always serious when it comes to making fun of others' beliefs, race, sexual orientations, etc etc
Perhaps you should lighten up a bit... seems you've been on the butt end of my lectures a bit lately, eh?

i have?
i really havent noticed.

[Bodom Children Of]

no thanks
I'm always serious when it comes to making fun of others' beliefs, race, sexual orientations, etc etc
Perhaps you should lighten up a bit... seems you've been on the butt end of my lectures a bit lately, eh?

when people are not face to face they show little respect. Id like to see him go to a bunch of members and say they're "gay". He's not a big man now is he? :p

[xblackdogx]

a freemason FOUNDED the religion of mormonism!!

these guys got some power baby,

they yeag- do you feel it has benefitted you? do you call on your brothers often?

[MastaChronic]

when people are not face to face they show little respect. Id like to see him go to a bunch of members and say they're "gay". He's not a big man now is he? :p

what makes you think i wouldnt?
face-to-face, over the internet, it makes no difference to me. i say what i want to say when and where and how i want to say it. i dont give a rats ass who it offends, if they dont like it they shouldnt be listening to me.

[stinkyattic]

i have?
i really havent noticed.

Well that's fine but I'm certainly not about to be drawn into a pissing match.

I find the Masons and the related secret fraternities absolutely fascinating.

[xblackdogx]

I find the Masons and the related secret fraternities absolutely fascinating.

me too,
what event do you think is A freemason's greatest achievement?


conquering america, and being the sole effort behind the American Revolution is pretty crazy... but i think their could be a more complex understanding of it, which was obviously meant to be kept hidden

[stinkyattic]

I think sometimes the best hiding place really IS in plain sight.
The preservation of knowledge and [unpopular?] political beliefs in times of social upheaval is sort of the burden of those who choose to be educated... despite whatever consequences may arise... in some ways the people who work to preserve the methods of growing and using cannabis for medical purposes are charged with a similar responsibility, that is; to protect that information from obscurity, no matter what current governments around the world may be doing to destroy it...
Preservation of knowledge and history is the greatest achievement of Mankind, period- despite the fact that we aren't all that good at it sometimes!

[BigNugs4U]

Mr. Yeag, i have been doing my own research on freemasonry and have become very interested. I am familiar with the historical origins of the group, as well as the significance pertinent to U.S. Govt.

I also am led to believe that though many would consider some masonic symbols to be occult, masons have top secret definitions for them. This would differ from what the avg person might interpret a scull and crossbones to mean, for example.

How do masons feel about recreational/medicinal marijuana use?

[xblackdogx]

Preservation of knowledge and history is the greatest achievement of Mankind, period- despite the fact that we aren't all that good at it sometimes!

Well, i think we have VOLUNTARILY FAILED at this! And by we, i mean the rulers. They claim EGYPT is only 5k-10k years old (not to mention don't credit them for the amazing things they knew) and there weren't peaceful civilizations in the past 50,000 - 100,000 years, but there were. AND many civilizations have common denominators in their ancient ARCHITECTURE (inca pyramids, pyramids in cambodia, mayan pyramids, sphynx, great pyramids) proving they were in contact with each other. MODERN DAY EDUCATION is quite biased, and I think what we are TOLD is only a puzzle PIECE as to history and prior knowledge!

[SkatePopwar]

Well, i think we have VOLUNTARILY FAILED at this! And by we, i mean the rulers. They claim EGYPT is only 5k-10k years old (not to mention don't credit them for the amazing things they knew) and there weren't peaceful civilizations in the past 50,000 - 100,000 years, but there were. AND many civilizations have common denominators in their ancient ARCHITECTURE (inca pyramids, pyramids in cambodia, mayan pyramids, sphynx, great pyramids) proving they were in contact with each other. MODERN DAY EDUCATION is quite biased, and I think what we are TOLD is only a puzzle PIECE as to history and prior knowledge!

do you have evidence to back that up? or is it just a theory..
it caught my attention, and it seems like something i should know about.

btw, i heard both bush sr. and saddam were freemasons...bullshit/true?

[xblackdogx]

do you have evidence to back that up? or is it just a theory..
it caught my attention, and it seems like something i should know about.

btw, i heard both bush sr. and saddam were freemasons...bullshit/true?
here's some evidence of ancient civilizations:
http://dark-truth.org/okt17-2006-10part1.html
^^ if i linked to the right vid, they go scuba diving to
explore a pyramid COMPLETELY submersed in the ocean.
the only time it would have been ABOVE sea level
was 10,000+ years ago. if you like that, i can show you some more stuff

movie on egypt:
http://dark-truth.org/okt21-2006-6.html



and, if i were you, i wouldn't worry about Sr and Sadaam being connected by freemasons, they are ONLY public figureheads-- so they are both
controlled by same person no matter what the name of the organization
used to recruit them

[BigNugs4U]

Freemasons aren't as popular as they once was. Partly because it's no longer fashionable to join such an organization. I've read about them, and have absolutely no interest in them.


Well, there havent really been many other organizations quite like the freemasons, and it is hardly a "fashion thing".

[wayoftheleaf]

My Grandfather is a free mason.

We watched a history channel thing about the crusaders and such. Just incredible.

My grandpa has the ring and everything, I want to join when I am 18.

[BigNugs4U]

i wanted to join, but something kinda weirded me out the other day. I looked up lodges in my area and about 15 miles away, there is a lodge #666

I know it can be said "its just a number to differentiate it from the other lodges and it is purely coincidental". But if that is the case, being individuals who believe in God (at least originally), why would they not just easily avoid that number? There are so many other numbers which could be used.

IDK

[the yeag]

we do not think like that. to be a mason you must be spiritual you must believe in a higher power to join. but like i said religion along with a few other topics are not discussed in the lodge

[BigNugs4U]

right, but if you believe in a supreme being (GOD, and originally, it was ONLY GOD), why go with 666? I was ready to overlook occultic symbols because of the other secret significances, but 666? Not so easy for me to overlook.

[BigNugs4U]

just seeking some reasoning for the 666 from a mason, thats all.

[the yeag]

just seeking some reasoning for the 666 from a mason, thats all.

I already answered your question. I am a brother. I am shocked there are no other brothers responding, there has to be more of us here. I sure had my suspicions. but to answer your question one more time. lodge 666 is no more significant than than lodge 665 or 667 it is a small lodge in Indiana not even a grand lodge. we are not a secret society, I am a proud 19th degree mason of the blue lodge. You have been blinded by false research on the internet. Were you refering to the mason trinity when you asked about the significance of 666...cause that is another internet fable.


good day,
the pontiff:jointsmile:

[snitter]

For the people think that the masons rule the world... why are they having so much trouble recruiting members now. Part of an article on secret societies I found a while ago:
"Who Controls the British Crown? Who Keeps the Metric System Down?

There was actually a Stonecutter's Guild. The Simpsons wasn't kidding. Well, it was kidding, of course, but there still was a Stonecutter's Guild with roots stretching back to Roman times. During the great era of guilds in Europe several organizations tapped into that tradition. There was a certain nobility and permanence to the stonecutter's art, a romantic balance of arm, heart and brain that could hardly be said of other groups like those of ale brewers. If an organization were to survive the mass extinction of the guilds and take on a new form with the rise of 'fraternal orders', Freemasonry is the most logical choice.

I won't let this slip into a history of Freemasonry or deal with all the speculations about skulking Templar Knights and lizards in human skin. True or false histories of the organization could fill massive volumes of books... and they do. Let us only say that the Masons serve as the most recognizable and practical example of a secret society still existent.

Many fraternal organizations aided in the success of their members simply by allowing them a network by which they could have access to individuals that the common people could not. It is often said that George Washington was advised to become a mason in order to get business contracts. Sound conspiratorial? It is.

It's an ancient fraternal order. An old boys club.

Of course people 'conspired' there for money and power. In days of yore popes and princes would cut deals and marry off their children in an attempt to gain more territory. Today corporations try to wedge themselves into new markets and stamp out competition. Both imperialism and corporate expansionism are reviled by many for their blind greed but neither has attracted such wild speculation or so much absolute suspension of disbelief as secret societies have. Then again, neither of them calls so eloquently to our natural love of mystery and mythos.

I remember standing outside the doors of my public school, no later than grade three, and earnestly discussing the need to develop a secret language with a close friend of mine. I know this experience isn't exclusive to my friend and I. There are others I know who have tried and had varying degrees of success with the same project. We wanted the excitement of being involved in something mysterious. One has to suspect that the lure of secret societies is similar. You get all kinds of fancy rings or robes and participate in mysterious ceremonies before you get drunk. It's a pretty titillating antidote to your oatmeal existence. Of course that very lure is also the thing that fuels the detractors. It's only logical that people will mistrust the unknown. Fraternal orders will suffer slander and suspicion in inverse proportion to the props and playacting they employ. That's why Freemasonry is thought of as more threatening than Shriners for instance. By the time you get to the Oddfellows or Kinsmen club there is virtually no speculation of Satanism or world conquest left. Essentially people see conspiracy and dark dealings because they want to. It's more exciting to ignore an order's charity work and speculate on sinister dealings. The wonderful thing about secret societies is that almost no harebrained accusation can be proven false. If evidence should suggest that a theorist is wildly inaccurate, that theorist need only include the evidence as part of the conspiracy. The only people really qualified to speak out about secret societies are those on the inside... the ones keeping the secrets. Therefore, everyone else has carte blanche to make up whatever theories might benefit or amuse them. In this time of shrinking mythologies, secret societies are second only to aliens (when not in cahoots with aliens) as unattainable mysteries for us to chase, and dream our horrible dreams about.

The Fall from Disgrace

Today the sun is beginning to set on the age of the secret society. In spite of tabloid and celluloid extravaganzas to the contrary, the fraternal organizations have started to peter out. Even the in/famous Freemasons are unable to attract a new generation to the temple. Some may theorize that they're simply going further underground to continue their agenda farther from the prying eyes of the conspiracy kooks, but the fact is that kids today just don't seem all that interested in secret world domination. I blame birth control. (Oh, come on, I get to point a finger too, don't I?) There was a time when drinking in a dark and fusty hall with a bunch of old men and maybe working on funding for the occasional hospital wing was a fitting diversion but these youngsters today, all they want to do is go out with girls. The world is changing again and time is eroding the seemingly insurmountable, all-powerful mythology of the secret society. Now you'd think the groups who clandestinely ruled the world could do something about that, wouldn't you?"

the url is: http://metaball.ca/ball_Sep-06/0906_03.html

[the yeag]

we are having trouble recruiting younger members only. Well membership has been falling for years but all i really have to say on this topic is when you get older you will not have as many friends around this is a great group to belong to...who the hell wants to be an elk or a moose.

[BigNugs4U]

Um, the lodge 666 i found on the internet is in southern california

Reseda Masonic Lodge No. 666 F&AM gold0 SQC
14750 Sherman Way, Van Nuys, CA 91405-2214 â?? Business Office: (818) 576-9025
email: Lodge Webmaster

[BigNugs4U]

and i understood your question the first time, so it was directed at others the latter time.

[BigNugs4U]

But if you like answering questions so much let me ask you this:

how do masons feel about cannabis use?

[BigNugs4U]

...

I know it can be said "its just a number to differentiate it from the other lodges and it is purely coincidental". But if that is the case, being individuals who believe in God (at least originally), why would they not just easily avoid that number? There are so many other numbers which could be used.

IDK

NUK

[RyanTheCaveman]

I have always been interested about freemasonry...so waht exatly IS it?



NUK?

[BigNugs4U]

your best bet is to look it up on wikipedia

but it is basically the world's largest and oldest secret fraternity.

some say it is occult

[Amun]

anyone ever gone post on exactly what those 'ideas' are???

from what i know (im not one....) they are free thinkers.

not too sure on what else he means by 'like minded'.


glad to see a few smoke some buds though....


but im sure you dont know much till you get to 32nd degree anyway.


;D