SEEDS VS CLONES [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

Weedhound

12-22-2006, 05:08 PM

I really would like to get opinions from everyone as to which they prefer to grow with and why....I have not tried cloning and not sure whether I want to invest in the extra equiptment, work etc....

Thanks in advance people

Merry X-Mas!!:areindeer:

dusto2k3

12-22-2006, 05:34 PM

for cloning, the extra equipment is mininam. All you need is a 2 or 4' flourescent light and a $5 propogation tray RW and clonex. In all, maybe $40. I grow from clones. Makes like easier and if you have a strain you like it will still be around next time. I look at this whole process as fun. Its fun to clone, not work.

harris7

12-22-2006, 05:39 PM

the biggest advantages of using clones is that they cost nothing liek 50cents each, you know they're girls and they start out bigger so are harder to kill.

i dont find clones to be slower or faster than seeds.

Garden Knowm

12-22-2006, 07:39 PM

If time, money and efficiency are important to you, CLONING is the WAY.. the only way...

But, if you want to see the miracle of life and some MONSTER fan leaves.. start from seed. Plants that start from seeds usualy have larger fan leaves..

I don't know why?

cheers

dutch.lover

12-22-2006, 08:57 PM

hmm interesting point knowm. some of my plants have huge fan leaves, and others only have really tiny ones. i just noticed now that the tiny leafed plants started as clones. that's kinda cool... i do like the larger fan leaves better tho.

bejay

12-22-2006, 11:00 PM

most of the advantages have already been mentioned, you know there female, you know the strain so if you invest in some good genetics or come across a plant you really like you can have it around for a long time getting alot of plants instead of having to buy seed all the time, they are mature and are the same age as the mother plant they came from and can be flowered just after rooting if you wish, which results in a slightly smaller plant versus growing from seed.
they grow faster than a seedling while it may take a couple of weeks to root once rooted they generally grow much faster when compared to a seedling of the same size.
as per the fan leaves never really noticed much of a difference if you veg them long enough they can get large even on clones.

Weedhound

12-23-2006, 03:31 AM

There were two main thoughts of mine that seemed much easier with seeds than with clones: 1. I like to grow different strains and types and although I do have a favorite I just like variety I guess....also how complicated is it to keep a mother around....not sure I would want a mom that would have to be kept in a seperate space with its own lighting.....just spacewise in our tiny house it would be hard since our one spare room has already gone to the original grow set up.....is there an easy to keep mom happy?

bejay

12-23-2006, 05:04 AM

it does require a seperate space and lighting but it doesnt take up that much space generally much smaller than your flowering room but guess it depends on how many mother plants you are keeping though, as per clones they can be put on a shelve or shelves in seedling trays for rooting with flouros above them wich saves space then you can either throw them into the flowering room or veg them for a little while in the same area as the mother plants but this allows you to always have plants in flowering versus using seed with one area that is both the veg and flowering area.

Garden Knowm

12-23-2006, 05:59 AM

dusto2k3

12-23-2006, 06:36 AM

i need to get my hands on some HOG strain.

Tokudai

12-23-2006, 08:06 AM

If ONE only work with clones for years,, and then ONE happens to get a chance to start from seed... It is amazing..... its like driving a bus for a year and then switching to a sports car... A totaly different driving experience..

Ain't that the truth..? Seeing something new and different happen with the plants responses and growing characteristics in a setting where you are used to every nuance is truly a lot of fun.. Plus all good moms had to come from seeds right? ;) Variety is the spice of life

Perp

12-23-2006, 03:10 PM

When grown under the same conditions, plants from seed are more vigorous, hardier, grow bigger (stems, leaves, and buds), and generally are healthier than clones.

Garden Knowm

12-24-2006, 03:30 PM

When grown under the same conditions, plants from seed are more vigorous, hardier, grow bigger (stems, leaves, and buds), and generally are healthier than clones.

WORD.. I AGREE...

i have not seen a thread like this before... :)

justaseed

12-24-2006, 03:43 PM

imo if you want to grow real top shelf headies, you must clone. you don't know how a plant grows the 1st time you flower it...
my point is to get the best pot you should grow out as many seeds as your space/lighting allows, in my case about 20. label all your plants, toss the males and flower the girls. so you get about 10 females from the 20 seeds. take clones of each one and label them. flower the seed plants and after sampling bud from each and pic the best 5 plants and flower those clones. make sure you get more cuts from each before flowering. flower these 5 clones a few times until yyou get a good idea of which is your favorite and make that your mother. from now on every clone from that mother will produce the bud you liked best!!!!doing it this way, you start with 20 plants of the same strain and end up with the best possible represntation of the strain of the 20. see my point if you grow from seed every time this would not be possible. well those are my thoughts on cloning.

Garden Knowm

12-24-2006, 06:47 PM

I agree Mr. SEED.... YET, no clone every grows with the qualities of a plant started from seed.... seeds are special in their own right..

iloveyou

justaseed

12-24-2006, 07:20 PM

yes, knowm you are correct about seed plants being "better"but i think the advantages of clones outway that fact. just my opinion but it is from experience. i grow scrog and clone scrogs are much better imo. if you have more than 1 seed plant under the same screen, they grow/flower at different rates and can finish as much as a week apart which would cause you some problems. clones on the other hand will grow and finish at the same rate, much easier to deal with.

GrowRebel

12-24-2006, 08:18 PM

I personally prefer clones over seeds .... now you are right about the seed plants they are bigger and stronger, but I hate having to go through the process of sexing the plant.

I know I have to do it if I want to try new strains, but I do prefer cloning .... I know it's a girl .... I know what it's like ... I do the perpetual harvest thang and you must clone in order to do it. My ladies are less than 2 ft so you have to have several plants to get a good yield.

At one time I had 10 different strains at once .... but I weeded them down to two strain that were my absolute favorite .... Electric Blue ... and Northern Lights ...

Now I've got 8 new strains started from seeds .... still going through the sexing process with a couple of strains, but the same will happen I will weed out until I find my absolute favorites then I will do nothing but clone.

It was serveral years between my last seed grow and this one. Yeah .... I like cloning better.

I guess it all depends on the indivdual. :rastasmoke:

Weedhound

12-25-2006, 07:37 PM

Appreciate all the replies! I said something about seeds to my hydro guy and he looked at me like I was nut....you're still using seeds??? Everytime???
I like the idea of hardy plants....and variety.....but we ARE in the 21st century....aggggg....this may be a stupid question but anyone keep their mothers in hydro or does everyone use soil?

xcrispi

12-25-2006, 08:11 PM

hey weedhound ,
merry christmas man . :madnoel:
good thread man , lotsa valid points n info . crispis almost ready to crawl outa his cave n join the 20th. century too , maybe ? i got a c-13 cabinet my hobby quickly out grew n thinking about making a 5 gal. bucket aero cloner and keeping a mom in suspension w/ a buncha flouros in it . i got the same question as far as mom in dirt or hydro too , everything i do in dirt turns yellow . :(
peace
crispi

justaseed

12-26-2006, 12:46 AM

i have kept bonzia mums in 5.5inch square pots with promix bx for over 18months without problem. i do prune the roots every 6 months or so, that's why i use the square pots. never any issues as long as you take cuts every 2 weeks even if they are not needed.

Garden Knowm

12-26-2006, 06:54 AM

yes, knowm you are correct about seed plants being "better"but i think the advantages of clones outway that fact. .

I agree AGAIN ... :)

iloveyou

bejay

12-27-2006, 01:23 AM

a plant from seed isnt any better than a clone in my opinion. bringing up a point about the leaves, stems and buds are bigger from seed this isnt true, while indoors a plant from seed will usually of been in veg for longer than a clone has been since it was rooted, which may affect leave and stem size but give them equal veg time and you shouldnt be able to tell any difference between a clone or a plant from seed.
there is nothing wrong with using seed besides the disadvantages mentioned above you may go through lots of seeds before you find a mother plant that you really like and even when you do find one you will probably always be starting more seeds looking for something better or might just want a little bit more variety and you may end up with several mother plants, but using clones has way to many advantages to ignore and will always be the preffered method by the majority of growers.

Weedhound

12-27-2006, 05:38 AM

Yes it is definitely the more effecient way all in all...just not sure what I want to do....the thought of limiting types I grow seems like a bummer...and spacewise it is so tight around here already....have to weigh pros and cons I guess. Xcrispi and I were talking about how much we like the whole growing experience--it's half the fun watching those little guys start up and grow from a little teeny seed....agggggg DECISIONS!

xcrispi

12-27-2006, 05:47 AM

hey weedhound ,
hi jackin ur thread for a sec. hope its cool ? my last post in w/f dwc club . i'm noticing no forearm sized tops n goodies w/ this blueberry man . more like a nugz plant . can you suggest a good strain that is best of both worlds as far as potency and yield ? seems lotsa ppl. like white widow
peace
crispi

Perp

12-27-2006, 05:47 AM

No need to limit yourself to one or the other. I have used clones and also start a bunch of seeds every now and then.

Weedhound

12-27-2006, 06:03 AM

X I think we crossed in the mail....just went to the other thread....those blueberry things sure look sweet....and tall....and healthy.....I have only grown two different strains that i bought from seed companies..Bubblegum and Haze....haze took FOREVER and then finally hermied when the weather turned and the BG was an easy grow but I personally was not overly impressed with the high although I did grow it outside and I'm not good at that....I am trying one BG this time in the mix in hydro....and pray it's not a male.....mostly I have grown from bagseed; perhaps three or four different types....my favorite is this russian thing (called blue russian by the guy who sold it to me) that is wonderful......easiest grow ever and the high is kick ass.....I have a few extra seeds if you'd like to try it......great yield but uncertain background I'd breed it if I thought I could do it correctly but I'll just screw it up so.....

Garden Knowm

12-27-2006, 06:31 AM

bringing up a point about the leaves, stems and buds are bigger from seed this isnt true, while indoors a plant from seed will usually of been in veg for longer than a clone has been since it was rooted, which may affect leave and stem size but give them equal veg time and you shouldnt be able to tell any difference .

That's what most people say.... but from eye witness accounts.. LOL.. there is a distinct difference from seed and clone.. Plants grown from seed have a certain robust quality that clones do not get... well... maybe they do eventually but not with 4 weeks or less of Vegging... Maybe if the clone were put outside and grown for 8 weeks....

cheers

Garden Knowm

12-27-2006, 06:33 AM

No need to limit yourself to one or the other. I have used clones and also start a bunch of seeds every now and then.

Hey perp.. your AV reminds me of those one eyed space guys on the muppets... or is it the one eyed pickel from sponge bob?

i'll have to review my video library..

cheers

PS... seeds + clones make a happy garden

Weedhound

12-27-2006, 02:46 PM

Knowm even if I knew what that avatar was I wouldn't admit it. Reviewing your libraray.....come on you have the wall sized posters hanging in the bedroom.

Well as i was writing the last line of my last post I realized that all you peoples talk about clones is correct....I do want to preserve my russian thing which I love and cloning would certainly be the way to go with it. AND do my seeds for variety. I love this forum and all the great info that springs from it. Thanks all!

Weedhound

12-27-2006, 02:51 PM

All right now I took a few puffs and Perp's avatar is starting to look exactly like little mushrooms.....

justaseed

12-28-2006, 01:19 AM

I have used clones and also start a bunch of seeds every now and then.

same here

Garden Knowm

12-28-2006, 09:23 PM

http://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/3891-ak-update.html#post29587

CHECK THIS THREAD... these are plants that are started from seed.. only 2 weeks old.... you will NEVER (never say never) see clones with leaves like this at 2 weeks old..