arnold exposed! learn all about your future (if not your next) president!

[pisshead]

http://www.arnoldexposed.com/

a bottomless pit of evil.

and you'll watch all of the cowering little weenie 'republicans' who are socialists and tyranny lovers and don't realize it vote for arnold, when he's run against hilary.

[Encatuse]

-shrugs- He's for the legalization of marijuana. I suppose it's an issue of your moral values. Even if he does dream of being a dictator like Hitler, us voting for him won't give him that option.

[Lulu]

-shrugs- He's for the legalization of marijuana. I suppose it's an issue of your moral values. Even if he does dream of being a dictator like Hitler, us voting for him won't give him that option.
So you'd vote for him purely on the cannabis issue alone :confused:

[SomeGuy]

He would be a better canidate than Hilary. BTW on the Hiliary issue I think that the human mind just isnt ready to accept a female as president. I think if Hilary did run she would probaly just be wasting the Democratic spot.

[thecrackbaby]

He would be a better canidate than Hilary. BTW on the Hiliary issue I think that the human mind just isnt ready to accept a female as president. I think if Hilary did run she would probaly just be wasting the Democratic spot.


The human mind can accept a female prez. The american mind is a different story. This may be news to you, but women lead countries all over the world. That place "out there", the rest world outside of america? Never mind, you are from texas

[sensiskunk]

thatâ??s something youâ??d expect a person from texas to say. Doesnâ??t Texas have the lowest avg. IQ in the US? So please, anybody from texas, dont say anything, you give the rest of us smart americans a bad impression to the world! As for republicans, they are all sexist, homophobic, retarded bastards that dont give a fuck about anybody else. If it wasnt for the democrats, America would have been bombed to hell already, dont deny it, you know its true. Hilary Clinton is a far better candidate for presidency than George W Bush, and she deserves to be the first female president. Hopefully America will change for the better, or should I say, hopefully americans will get smarter. If the rate of republican majority in office continues to rise, who knows where America will stand in the next ten years, which is something everyone should fear.

[Nullific]

Lets just hope the world will end by then.

[RunawayAmbulance]

Isn't he making a movie while hes in office? thats what i heard.

[Buck268]

Until we break free of the tyranny of a 2 party government it really doesnt matter who gets voted into what office, as they still control who we can vote for with ease...

Vote Libertarian.

[F L E S H]

Until we break free of the tyranny of a 2 party government it really doesnt matter who gets voted into what office, as they still control who we can vote for with ease...

Vote Libertarian.

Buck's right. 2-party-systems stink to high heaven (I must be really stoned to say 'stinks to high heaven') as the 2 parties eventually get more and more alike. Pretty soon it makes absolutely no difference which party is in power.

But I don't like LIbertarians :D

[juggalo420]

green party all the way. but common arnold is one of the best the republicans have to offer.

[pisshead]

i wouldn't even call him a republican...there's nothing 'conservative' about him really...

it doesn't matter though. voting for president is pointless, it's all staged, and has been since kennedy got his head blown off...

the real key areas are at the local and state levels. getting people elected, whether democrat or republican or any other party, who will uphold the bill of rights and constitution is what we need, who will resist the federal takeover and martial law when the time comes.

[juggalo420]

i wouldn't even call him a republican...there's nothing 'conservative' about him really...

fiscally hes conservative, but socialy hes liberal. Also he was GIVEN TIME TO SPEAK AT THE republican national convention so that makes him republican in my book. Why wuld he fake being republican anyway he could have won the govenership in cali if he were an independent or even a democtat.

also hes one of the only republican poloticians i can stomach

[Sedater18]

He can't run, he's from Austria.

[juggalo420]

He can't run, he's from Austria.
its a hypothetical question.
also there is a push to change the law that you have to be born in this country to run for president.

[Sedater18]

its a hypothetical question.
also there is a push to change the law that you have to be born in this country to run for president.

I know that. They aren't going to change the law, so no worries :-D

[pisshead]

they sure are going to try.

[Sedater18]

Arnie speaks even worse english than bush, and thats a statement. Pisshead, you should read the book It can't happen here by Sinclair Lewis. It's about how fragile democracy is, how facism could grip America, and what would have happened if America took the side of the Nazis in World War Two. You'll love it.

[pisshead]

we aren't a democracy first of all. and it's the socialism that fuels the fascism that's destroying the country. the left sees all the corruption on the right, and vice versa, but neither can see it on their own side. they both accept the same policies offered by loyal opposition. the socialism creates the need for fascism, and you get it both ways, because in the end, it's just tyranny, not liberal or conservative tyranny, basic dictatorship. the left/right is the big divide, then they conquer.

and there were plans in the 30's to take the side of the nazis...documents were recently declassified and extensively covered by former presidential candidate who won in a primary in NH i think it was, john buchanan.

the interview is online somewhere i think. i have an interview with him from the protest at the RNC this past september talking about how the US dealt with the nazis prior to the holocaust and during, and after. but that's on my hard drive.

but search google for john buchanan london guardian, it should show up.

and i will look into that book.

[juggalo420]

we aren't a democracy first of all. and it's the socialism that fuels the fascism that's destroying the country.

\
i say itz the greed and lust of materialism which is a symptom of un-checked capitalism that is destroying this country. I dont see that socialism leads facism, i see the opposite i see socialism in its true form is meant to unite and find the things in common which is the polar opposite of facism which is the belief in tthe superiority of one group of people. What leads to facism is ultra-patriotism and the practice of labeling legitimit criticizing of ones country as un-patriotic. I see the republican party as becoming very facist esp. after it merged with the moral majority back in the eighties.

[SomeGuy]

thatâ??s something youâ??d expect a person from texas to say. Doesnâ??t Texas have the lowest avg. IQ in the US? So please, anybody from texas, dont say anything, you give the rest of us smart americans a bad impression to the world! As for republicans, they are all sexist, homophobic, retarded bastards that dont give a fuck about anybody else. If it wasnt for the democrats, America would have been bombed to hell already, dont deny it, you know its true. Hilary Clinton is a far better candidate for presidency than George W Bush, and she deserves to be the first female president. Hopefully America will change for the better, or should I say, hopefully americans will get smarter. If the rate of republican majority in office continues to rise, who knows where America will stand in the next ten years, which is something everyone should fear.

That sounds like alot of pretentious BS to me... One thing is for sure, My IQ is higher than yours and I am only a sophmore in high school.

[pisshead]

yeah, he says everyone from texas has a low IQ, but then goes on to say that he'd vote for hilary clinton for president.

i'd vote for the devil before i voted for that evil, anti-american socalist, world government loving bitch, who coincidentally loves some of bush's big government tyranny policies.

[moomoo]

PH ,when you talk about socialism what excatly do you mean because when i think of socialism i think of Sweden, Norway. Denmark . france is kind of socialist and so is Holland. they are all great countries so what do you mean by that.(just asking)in fact Id LOVE to live in Amsterdam!!over 400 pot cafes ! now thats tokin`!!

[pisshead]

http://www.newswithviews.com/Bill/sizemore29.htm

if i'm forced to pay for other people, it's not really freedom. i'd rather have our constitutional republic back than become a socialist country.

[moomoo]

i dont mind helping others (to get back on their feet) i feelwe need somekind of safety net. most people are just one big sickness-or layoff from bankruptcy.i think it would be nice if every american had health insurance. canada is kind of socialist too and their fine,nice country up there.

[pisshead]

i'd still rather be a constitutional republic...

[Libertarian Toker]

"constitutional republic"

Let's talk about that a little PH. Where exactly does a constitutional republic end up? What does history tell us about where constitutional republic's will take a country?

Toker

[moomoo]

im not saying become socialist in the way you believe it is i just mean that poor people shoulnt have the burden of paying higher taxes thatn the rich do. that is not done in other countries. :Freedom is education, the more you know the more you question,to find out more." the "dumming down of America" is a bad thing.young people should be able to go to college whether they are rich or poorand i cant stress enough about health insurance i think these are basic needs in a civilized society

[pisshead]

history shows evil people will takeover whatever form of government. rome was a republic too. germany was a republic too.

that doesn't mean republics are bad.

it's not the fault of the constitutional republic, it's the fault of the people for not watching government like a hawk like we were warned around the time of the revolution, and allowing them to take it over in the name of crises like the war on the drugs on the war on terror.

oh, but please indulge us all and tell us why constitutional republics and the bill of rights is actually bad...

[moomoo]

Italy and germany are now a lot more progressive than we are.Rome was a republic for a long time before it became an empire. i think it only took 10-15 years for germany to become fascist bill of rights and connstitution VERY important

[ismokedope]

Socialism is good and not "anti american" thats moronic, but what i expect from someone who thinks bush is a closet satanist. All civilised nations are socialist, the american way is mean spirited, you people really want poor folks to not be able to see a doctor?
Arnold is doing a good job so far, california is the best place in america to be a stoner now. Fiscal conservative and social policy liberal, thats a great combo. He is pro stem cell research, and fuck any anti choice texans like pisshead or torag, i hate those assholes anway.
I like hillary too

[pisshead]

that's because you're a product of government training camps. you're a good global citizen now, and have been dumbed down.

you've probably never even read the constitution, in its entirety.

and i hope you enjoy socialism, because you're about to pay out the ass for it.

and you should check out hilary's voting record. she likes george bush's big government tyranny policies more than you realize.

[Libertarian Toker]

im not saying become socialist in the way you believe it is i just mean that poor people shoulnt have the burden of paying higher taxes thatn the rich do. that is not done in other countries. :Freedom is education, the more you know the more you question,to find out more." the "dumming down of America" is a bad thing.young people should be able to go to college whether they are rich or poorand i cant stress enough about health insurance i think these are basic needs in a civilized society

There is always going to be rich and poor people. Socialism means more goverenment control of the people, not less poor people. Actualy, if we pull a PH and look at history, we see that socialism actualy creates more poor people then it helps. If the goverenment is what produces tyranny, then how is more government a good thing? It's not. Freedom is way more importent then some money. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Freedom every time.

In your opinion, is the VERY importent constitution the item that gives the government the power to force? Do you agree that our government is a tyrannical government?

Toker

Antifederalist No.1

GENERAL INTRODUCTION: A DANGEROUS PLAN OF BENEFIT ONLY TO THE "ARISTOCRATICK COMBINATION"
I am pleased to see a spirit of inquiry burst the band of constraint upon the subject of the NEW PLAN for consolidating the governments of the United States, as recommended by the late Convention. If it is suitable to the GENIUS and HABITS of the citizens of these states, it will bear the strictest scrutiny. The PEOPLE are the grand inquest who have a RIGHT to judge of its merits. The hideous daemon of Aristocracy has hitherto had so much influence as to bar the channels of investigation, preclude the people from inquiry and extinguish every spark of liberal information of its qualities. At length the luminary of intelligence begins to beam its effulgent rays upon this important production; the deceptive mists cast before the eyes of the people by the delusive machinations of its INTERESTED advocates begins to dissipate, as darkness flies before the burning taper; and I dare venture to predict, that in spite of those mercenary dectaimers, the plan will have a candid and complete examination. Those furious zealots who are for cramming it down the throats of the people, without allowing them either time or opportunity to scan or weigh it in the balance of their understandings, bear the same marks in their features as those who have been long wishing to erect an aristocracy in THIS COMMONWEALTH [of Massachusetts]. Their menacing cry is for a RIGID government, it matters little to them of what kind, provided it answers THAT description. As the plan now offered comes something near their wishes, and is the most consonant to their views of any they can hope for, they come boldly forward and DEMAND its adoption. They brand with infamy every man who is not as determined and zealous in its favor as themselves. They cry aloud the whole must be swallowed or none at all, thinking thereby to preclude any amendment; they are afraid of having it abated of its present RIGID aspect. They have strived to overawe or seduce printers to stifle and obstruct a free discussion, and have endeavored to hasten it to a decision before the people can duty reflect upon its properties. In order to deceive them, they incessantly declare that none can discover any defect in the system but bankrupts who wish no government, and officers of the present government who fear to lose a part of their power. These zealous partisans may injure their own cause, and endanger the public tranquility by impeding a proper inquiry; the people may suspect the WHOLE to be a dangerous plan, from such COVERED and DESIGNING schemes to enforce it upon them. Compulsive or treacherous measures to establish any government whatever, will always excite jealousy among a free people: better remain single and alone, than blindly adopt whatever a few individuals shall demand, be they ever so wise. I had rather be a free citizen of the small republic of Massachusetts, than an oppressed subject of the great American empire. Let all act understandingly or not at all. If we can confederate upon terms that wilt secure to us our liberties, it is an object highly desirable, because of its additional security to the whole. If the proposed plan proves such an one, I hope it will be adopted, but if it will endanger our liberties as it stands, let it be amended; in order to which it must and ought to be open to inspection and free inquiry. The inundation of abuse that has been thrown out upon the heads of those who have had any doubts of its universal good qualities, have been so redundant, that it may not be improper to scan the characters of its most strenuous advocates. It will first be allowed that many undesigning citizens may wish its adoption from the best motives, but these are modest and silent, when compared to the greater number, who endeavor to suppress all attempts for investigation. These violent partisans are for having the people gulp down the gilded pill blindfolded, whole, and without any qualification whatever. These consist generally, of the NOBLE order of C[incinnatu]s, holders of public securities, men of great wealth and expectations of public office, B[an]k[er]s and L[aw]y[er]s: these with their train of dependents form the Aristocratick combination. The Lawyers in particular, keep up an incessant declamation for its adoption; like greedy gudgeons they long to satiate their voracious stomachs with the golden bait. The numerous tribunals to be erected by the new plan of consolidated empire, will find employment for ten times their present numbers; these are the LOAVES AND FISHES for which they hunger. They will probably find it suited to THEIR HABITS, if not to the HABITS OF THE PEOPLE. There may be reasons for having but few of them in the State Convention, lest THEIR '0@' INTEREST should be too strongly considered. The time draws near for the choice of Delegates. I hope my fellow-citizens will look well to the characters of their preference, and remember the Old Patriots of 75; they have never led them astray, nor need they fear to try them on this momentous occasion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Library/antifederalist/Default.htm

[Libertarian Toker]

Where would you have been standing way back when the constitution was being thought up and drafted PH? Would you have been for it, or against it??? Don't run off and hide from this, it's just a simple question.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Say PH, what does the all seeing eye mean? What does it stand for in the masons book?

Toker

[moomoo]

There is always going to be rich and poor people. Socialism means more goverenment control of the people, not less poor people. Actualy, if we pull a PH and look at history, we see that socialism actualy creates more poor people then it helps. If the goverenment is what produces tyranny, then how is more government a good thing? It's not. Freedom is way more importent then some money. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Freedom every time.

In your opinion, is the VERY importent constitution the item that gives the government the power to force? Do you agree that our government is a tyrannical government?

Toker

Antifederalist No.1

GENERAL INTRODUCTION: A DANGEROUS PLAN OF BENEFIT ONLY TO THE "ARISTOCRATICK COMBINATION"
I am pleased to see a spirit of inquiry burst the band of constraint upon the subject of the NEW PLAN for consolidating the governments of the United States, as recommended by the late Convention. If it is suitable to the GENIUS and HABITS of the citizens of these states, it will bear the strictest scrutiny. The PEOPLE are the grand inquest who have a RIGHT to judge of its merits. The hideous daemon of Aristocracy has hitherto had so much influence as to bar the channels of investigation, preclude the people from inquiry and extinguish every spark of liberal information of its qualities. At length the luminary of intelligence begins to beam its effulgent rays upon this important production; the deceptive mists cast before the eyes of the people by the delusive machinations of its INTERESTED advocates begins to dissipate, as darkness flies before the burning taper; and I dare venture to predict, that in spite of those mercenary dectaimers, the plan will have a candid and complete examination. Those furious zealots who are for cramming it down the throats of the people, without allowing them either time or opportunity to scan or weigh it in the balance of their understandings, bear the same marks in their features as those who have been long wishing to erect an aristocracy in THIS COMMONWEALTH [of Massachusetts]. Their menacing cry is for a RIGID government, it matters little to them of what kind, provided it answers THAT description. As the plan now offered comes something near their wishes, and is the most consonant to their views of any they can hope for, they come boldly forward and DEMAND its adoption. They brand with infamy every man who is not as determined and zealous in its favor as themselves. They cry aloud the whole must be swallowed or none at all, thinking thereby to preclude any amendment; they are afraid of having it abated of its present RIGID aspect. They have strived to overawe or seduce printers to stifle and obstruct a free discussion, and have endeavored to hasten it to a decision before the people can duty reflect upon its properties. In order to deceive them, they incessantly declare that none can discover any defect in the system but bankrupts who wish no government, and officers of the present government who fear to lose a part of their power. These zealous partisans may injure their own cause, and endanger the public tranquility by impeding a proper inquiry; the people may suspect the WHOLE to be a dangerous plan, from such COVERED and DESIGNING schemes to enforce it upon them. Compulsive or treacherous measures to establish any government whatever, will always excite jealousy among a free people: better remain single and alone, than blindly adopt whatever a few individuals shall demand, be they ever so wise. I had rather be a free citizen of the small republic of Massachusetts, than an oppressed subject of the great American empire. Let all act understandingly or not at all. If we can confederate upon terms that wilt secure to us our liberties, it is an object highly desirable, because of its additional security to the whole. If the proposed plan proves such an one, I hope it will be adopted, but if it will endanger our liberties as it stands, let it be amended; in order to which it must and ought to be open to inspection and free inquiry. The inundation of abuse that has been thrown out upon the heads of those who have had any doubts of its universal good qualities, have been so redundant, that it may not be improper to scan the characters of its most strenuous advocates. It will first be allowed that many undesigning citizens may wish its adoption from the best motives, but these are modest and silent, when compared to the greater number, who endeavor to suppress all attempts for investigation. These violent partisans are for having the people gulp down the gilded pill blindfolded, whole, and without any qualification whatever. These consist generally, of the NOBLE order of C[incinnatu]s, holders of public securities, men of great wealth and expectations of public office, B[an]k[er]s and L[aw]y[er]s: these with their train of dependents form the Aristocratick combination. The Lawyers in particular, keep up an incessant declamation for its adoption; like greedy gudgeons they long to satiate their voracious stomachs with the golden bait. The numerous tribunals to be erected by the new plan of consolidated empire, will find employment for ten times their present numbers; these are the LOAVES AND FISHES for which they hunger. They will probably find it suited to THEIR HABITS, if not to the HABITS OF THE PEOPLE. There may be reasons for having but few of them in the State Convention, lest THEIR '0@' INTEREST should be too strongly considered. The time draws near for the choice of Delegates. I hope my fellow-citizens will look well to the characters of their preference, and remember the Old Patriots of 75; they have never led them astray, nor need they fear to try them on this momentous occasion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Library/antifederalist/Default.htm
i would choose for freedom over gov`mt too. in fact if i could REALLY choose, i think anarchists have it right. anarchy is really the opposite of the anarchy thst so0ciety wants you to believe, how ever , we are stuck with government. theres no country on this planet that doesnt have one . lateley our govt, it seems to me is getting ,like i mentioned before , very creepy. Male prostitutes posing as reporters at the white house,? that of course is just the latest caper.

[pisshead]

anarchy though...what's to stop your neighbor from stealing your car? or killing you?

government isn't the problem as much as the citizens' oversight of the government. we're supposed to watch government like a hawk, and not let it get out of control. we failed.

[moomoo]

Socialism is good and not "anti american" thats moronic, but what i expect from someone who thinks bush is a closet satanist. All civilised nations are socialist, the american way is mean spirited, you people really want poor folks to not be able to see a doctor?
Arnold is doing a good job so far, california is the best place in america to be a stoner now. Fiscal conservative and social policy liberal, thats a great combo. He is pro stem cell research, and fuck any anti choice texans like pisshead or torag, i hate those assholes anway.
I like hillary too
i dont agree with you on Arnold but i think you are half right when you say americans are mean spirited america used to be the most generuos nation in the world,i see us becoming more mean spirited. people here are basiscally good some great give shirt off my back ,type but latley things have been changing yes you are right and i think bush is mean spirited and unfortunaltly reflects on rest of country. i think ,privatley we gave lots of money to tsamui relief but bush was a cheap bastard about it until he was embarrased into giving more i like hilary too. dont let Arnold fool you tho if you go on ph`s fav website and read about him you might be a little suprised. a friend of mine said that arnold said "when i get to america im going to marry a kennedy" i wish maria would divorce him. shes much too good for him and she looks awful anorexic anxiety??

[moomoo]

anarchy though...what's to stop your neighbor from stealing your car? or killing you?

government isn't the problem as much as the citizens' oversight of the government. we're supposed to watch government like a hawk, and not let it get out of control. we failed.
no! anarcists dont go aroud killing people and shit like that. they beleive in peace ,bartering,instead of money and they dont like govt either. in fact they kind of sound like Liberterians. i knew an anarcist way back dont remember all the dogma but the principles sounded pretty good

[pisshead]

yeah, but sooner or later, you're going to have a group take over...and impose dictatorship.

it sounds nice, but i doubt it would actually be feasible.

[moomoo]

oh i agree its definatly not feasible just musing . im not an anarcist but it sounded pretty good a long time ago

[Libertarian Toker]

Government of any kind is tyranny. If your against tyranny, then your against government. If you claim a little tyranny is ok, then your opening the door for more and more tyranny which eventualy leads to a dictatorship of some kind. You can't put a little tyranny in a glass case and say that's it, that's all we will allow. That is why all forms of government eventualy slip into becoming some sort of tyrannical beast. Once the people give them the power of force, or they take it, then laws are made. Laws are the promise of force if not followed. It's not so much the people as it is the flawed systems that lets people abuse them. People will allways be human. With that comes all the good things, but it also brings the bad things with it to. If the system doesn't consider the bad nature of humans in the limits set on it, then it will be abused by humans. If you can't block people from abusing something because you can't foresee all the ways it can be abused, then maybe it's best not to have that something at all.

"anarchy though...what's to stop your neighbor from stealing your car? or killing you?"

A shot gun!!! What's to stop him from doing those things now? Would you suddenly feel like killing and stealing if there was no law? Granted some would. Some do it now though, and the laws do nothing to stop it. The cops are there later only to pick up the pieces after it's over anyway. If someone is bent on killing, no law will stop them.

Toker

[pisshead]

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever read.

[Libertarian Toker]

THE HOBGOBLINS OF ANARCHY AND DISSENSIONS AMONG THE STATES
The evils of anarchy have been portrayed with all the imagery of language in the growing colors of eloquence; the affrighted mind is thence led to clasp the new Constitution as the instrument of deliverance, as the only avenue to safety and happiness. To avoid the possible and transitory evils of one extreme, it is seduced into the certain and permanent misery necessarily attendant on the other. A state of anarchy from its very nature can never be of long continuance; the greater its violence the shorter the duration. Order and security are immediately sought by the distracted people beneath the shelter of equal laws and the salutary restraints of regular government; and if this be not attainable, absolute power is assumed by the one, or a few, who shall be the most enterprising and successful. If anarchy, therefore, were the inevitable consequence of rejecting the new Constitution, it would be infinitely better to incur it, for even then there would be at least the chance of a good government rising out of licentiousness. But to rush at once into despotism because there is a bare possibility of anarchy ensuing from the rejection, or from what is yet more visionary, the small delay that would be occasioned by a revision and correction of the proposed system of government is so superlatively weak, so fatally blind, that it is astonishing any person of common understanding should suffer such an imposition to have the least influence on his judgment; still more astonishing that so flimsy and deceptive a doctrine should make converts among the enlightened freemen of America, who have so long enjoyed the blessings of liberty. But when I view among such converts men otherwise pre-eminent it raises a blush for the weakness of humanity that these, her brightest ornaments, should be so dimsighted to what is self-evident to most men, that such imbecility of judgment should appear where so much perfection was looked for. This ought to teach us to depend more on our own judgment and the nature of the case than upon the opinions of the greatest and best of men, who, from constitutional infirmities or particular situations, may sometimes view an object through a delusive medium; but the opinions of great men are more frequently the dictates of ambition or private interest. The source of the apprehensions of this so much dreaded anarchy would upon investigation be found to arise from the artful suggestions of designing men, and not from a rational probability grounded on the actual state of affairs. The least reflection is sufficient to detect the fallacy to show that there is no one circumstance to justify the prediction of such an event. On the contrary a short time will evince, to the utter dismay and confusion of the conspirators, that a perseverance in cramming down their scheme of power upon the freemen of this State [Pennsylvania] will inevitably produce an anarchy destructive of their darling domination, and may kindle a flame prejudicial to their safety. They should be cautious not to trespass too far on the forbearance of freemen when wresting their dearest concerns, but prudently retreat from the gathering storm. The other specter that has been raised to terrify and alarm the people out of the exercise of their judgment on this great occasion, is the dread of our splitting into separate confederacies or republics, that might become rival powers and consequently liable to mutual wars from the usual motives of contention. This is an event still more improbable than the foregoing. It is a presumption unwarranted, either by the situation of affairs, or the sentiments of the people; no disposition leading to it exists; the advocates of the new constitution seem to view such a separation with horror, and its opponents are strenuously contending for a confederation that shall embrace all America under its comprehensive and salutary protection. This hobgoblin appears to have sprung from the deranged brain of Publius, [The Federalist] a New York writer, who, mistaking sound for argument, has with Herculean labor accumulated myriads of unmeaning sentences, and mechanically endeavored to force conviction by a torrent of misplaced words. He might have spared his readers the fatigue of wading through his long-winded disquisitions on the direful effects of the contentions of inimical states, as totally inapplicable to the subject he was professedly treating; this writer has devoted much time, and wasted more paper in combating chimeras of his own creation. However, for the sake of argument, I will admit that the necessary consequence of rejecting or delaying the establishment of the new constitution would be the dissolution of the union, and the institution of even rival and inimical republics; yet ought such an apprehension, if well founded, to drive us into the fangs of despotism? Infinitely preferable would be occasional wars to such an event. The former, although a severe scourge, is transient in its continuance, and in its operation partial, but a small proportion of the community are exposed to its greatest horrors, and yet fewer experience its greatest evils; the latter is permanent and universal misery, without remission or exemption. As passing clouds obscure for a time the splendor of the sun, so do wars interrupt the welfare of mankind; but despotism is a settled gloom that totally extinguishes happiness. Not a ray of comfort can penetrate to cheer the dejected mind; the goad of power with unabating rigor insists upon the utmost exaction; like a merciless taskmaster, [it] is continually inflicting the lash, and is never satiated with the feast of unfeeling domination, or the most abject servility. The celebrated Lord Kaims, whose disquisitions of human nature evidence extraordinary strength of judgment and depth of investigation, says that a continual civil war, which is the most destructive and horrible scene of human discord, is preferable to the uniformity of wretchedness and misery attendant upon despotism; of all possible evils, as I observed in my first number, this is the worst and the most to be dreaded. I congratulate my fellow citizens that a good government, the greatest earthly blessing, may be so easily obtained, that our circumstances are so favorable, that nothing but the folly of the conspirators can produce anarchy or civil war, which would presently terminate in their destruction and the permanent harmony of the state, alone interrupted by their ambitious machinations.

CENTINEL

http://www.cnsnews.com/Library/antifederalist/af06.htm

[ismokedope]

that's because you're a product of government training camps. you're a good global citizen now, and have been dumbed down.

you've probably never even read the , in its entirety.

and i hope you enjoy socialism, because you're about to pay out the ass for it.

and you should check out hilary's voting record. she likes george bush's big government tyranny policies more than you realize.



Lol i have been dumbed down? You are a jesus lover from texas and one of those fat red faced morons who jumps up and down about socialism. What socialist nations have you visited bubba? Since you are from texas i will take a wild guess and say none. You are white trash, you know that right?
I dont care how much you jerk off to the constitution, its garbage, and all you constitution lovers are morons. Embrace socialism little hick boy, try goint to university and getting educated. Alex Jone isnt teaching you anything except you cant win, left and right are all the same. Sounds defeatest to me.

[pisshead]

i'm a jesuslover? really? actually, i'm not a christian, and don't affiliate myself with any religion really...

socialism, yeah...what a wonderful history of socialism. you want to be ruled is basically what you're saying.

defeatist? both sides are for the police state. you can't even see past 2 sides, left and right. you can't even comprehend the notion of 3rd and 4th and 5th party candidates, anything that isn't left or right.

if anything, the founders told us that gridlock is good in government, you need it. but our government, left and right have just greased the wheels, they all vote for the war and the patriot act. i look at actions and voting records, not the rhetoric of our 'officials', not this false left/right delusion that media has obviously sold you. it's why there were the anti-federalist papers...it stops anything major from happening if there's a bombardment of open discussion about things...not just rubberstamping the erosion of the constitution, which comes along with your lovely socialism. you also get some fascism thrown in there too, because they work hand in hand to screw you.

you're crying for the socialism, and others are crying for the fascism, and you're both getting your wish, while the rest of us weirdo 'other party' people suffer right along.

limiting yourself to two sides, up and down, left or right, call it what you want, is defeatist.

i did graduate college, and i got a pretty decent job in the field i went to school for. so i'm content, thanks.

[Libertarian Toker]

"socialism, yeah...what a wonderful history of socialism. you want to be ruled is basically what you're saying. "

So what is it your saying when you say you like a constitutional republic? I'll tell ya what your saying, your saying you want to be ruled.

"defeatist? both sides are for the police state."

Where did that police state start PH? Where did the original power extend from?

"if anything, the founders told us that gridlock is good in government, you need it. but our government, left and right have just greased the wheels, they all vote for the war and the patriot act."

A long time ago a bunch of guys voted on a similer piece of paper that greased the wheels of federal tyranny. Can you guess which one it was?

"i look at actions and voting records, not the rhetoric of our 'officials', not this false left/right delusion that media has obviously sold you."

I see! So it's the system that's the problem. How do you plan to fix it PH?

"i did graduate college, and i got a pretty decent job in the field i went to school for. so i'm content, thanks."

You work for Alex Jones!!!!

Toker

[pisshead]

yes, you're right! it's the constitution that's the problem. that's why the government has to destroy it to become the dictatorship, not follow its laws.

if you're saying we'd be in the same position with an honest government that stayed in its boundaries, i think that's not true.

not even close.

[Libertarian Toker]

Show me a spot in history where humans have been honest? Utopia doesn't exist. Hell, all governments would work if the people running them were honest. If the system has to rely on honest humas to work, then it is a flawed system doomed to be abused.

Toker

[Mexico Max]

The link in the first post is a total crock...a fabric of twisted reports and out and out falisehoods.
Arnold is actually looking like one of the best governors yet, He is NOT a lockstep Republican by any means, opposes them on articles like birth control and...importantly...drug laws. He's a smart guy who can weild power. Above all he isn't an asshole lawyer dirtied by years of politics. He's more like Eastwood...a guy who steps into government to right wrongs and content to step back out when it's over. Republicans are nervous about him because he isn't completely with their program...yet he is actually dragging the party on his coat tails rather than vice versa. As politicos go, he's pretty cool. Don't let a bunch of psychos twist your panties up on this one.

[chix4bud]

He can't run, he's from Austria.
thank you sedater i was just about to point that about myself............. :)

[duppy man]

http://www.arnoldexposed.com/

a bottomless pit of evil.

and you'll watch all of the cowering little weenie 'republicans' who are socialists and tyranny lovers and don't realize it vote for arnold, when he's run against hilary.
has the war for freedom been fought and lost or do we still have a chance against what seems like overwhelming odds someone has posted about a book called The digital fortress...which seems appropriate to whats happening today

[ismokedope]

socialism, yeah...what a wonderful history of socialism. you want to be ruled is basically what you're saying.



Dont tell me what i am saying. I am saying I want universal free health care for every citizen. Free university education. And yes "free" means paid for by the taxpayers. Well funded public schools. Old people not eating dog food. Anything less is uncivilized. You dont want live in society, go live on island somewhere. It doesnt take away any of your "freedom" and no i dont think you should be able to opt out. Its for the good of everyone. If you are against socialism be totally against it. If people are poor why should they get to go to school at all? Make them pay, or their kids stay home. Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society.





if anything, the founders told us that gridlock is good in government, you need it. but our government, left and right have just greased the wheels, they all vote for the war and the patriot act. i look at actions and voting records, not the rhetoric of our 'officials', not this false left/right delusion that media has obviously sold you.


Nonsense, socialists all around the world are against this war. You are the most right wing person on here. Just because you come from the ruby ridge small government school of right wing thinking, doesnt make you any different. Guns, no abortion, no gay rights, i dont see anything that makes you different from the republican party. Nothing. It makes you feel better to think you arent part of it, but you are




..not just rubberstamping the erosion of the constitution, which comes along with your lovely socialism. you also get some fascism thrown in there too, because they work hand in hand to screw you.

I dont give a flying fuck about the constituion, its a worthless document.




you're crying for the socialism, and others are crying for the fascism, and you're both getting your wish, while the rest of us weirdo 'other party' people suffer right along.



Suck it up. Fascism and socialism have nothing to do with one another. Its kind of hypocritcal that you got free public schooling, and now dont want other kids to get it. Thats socialism right there, free public schools, I want to here you say right now you oppose them. I dont, i think even people without kids should have to pay for them, they benefit everyone.





limiting yourself to two sides, up and down, left or right, call it what you want, is defeatist.


There are 3 sides right left and middle. You can create new parties using combinations, but thats all there is. Whenever i look at the paltforms of whatever crackpot party you people are voting for this week its the same thing. Its nothing new. The constitution lovers party or whatever it is party has the most right wing agenda i have ever seen. Libertarian is just right wing with a focus on small government. Green is just left wing with a focus on the enviroment.
I think its better to vote for conservative liberals, or liberal conservatives if you a balanced government.




i did graduate college, and i got a pretty decent job in the field i went to school for. so i'm content, thanks.


Must be nice. You think its fair college is priced out of the range of most of the hispanic and black students in your state?

[NowhereMan]

thank you sedater i was just about to point that about myself............. :)

he'll be Bok"

[HIEROPHANT]

The year was 1976 (I think,it was a long time ago and there have been a
LOT of bongs in the years since) and Arnold Schwarzenegger was visiting Sydney Australia to judge in a Oz BodyBuilding contest and to do a Demonstration "pose off " I was weight training in a beachside gym, the bodybuilding scene had a small following and Arnie was training at the same gym and staying at a Motel in the same suburb.I remember as a skinny little runt standing behind Arnie on the calf-machine doing reps of 550lbs ,and thinking how thick his chest was from backbone to sternum,anyway one of the "old guys"(LOL they were in there late twenties [I wish I was an old guy this young these days])asked could I get any of the good "heads"(Oz for buds) I had got for them previously as Arnold wants to get stoned. I told RXXXXX and Bxxxx no problem ,I scored an ounce of "Griffith Mafia Grass" for them that night cost me $30 AUD yea you read correct $30 for deadly evil good buds.I caught up with them next day and gave them there 3/4 ounce for $30(tax)We got wasted at the gym and went for a Meat Pie much out,the big guys had about six pies each, I could only manage 1or2 , Arnold kept telling me to " eat more Hierophant, you need to bulk up" .
I remember after the attack of the "munchies"we walked back towards the beach,you could see the people staring out of the corner of there eyes at us(them not me)but to intimidated by there size to actually stare,I looked back a couple of times and the same people were walking into posts looking behind them at Arnie and his Oz BB friends.
Arnie Is A Stoner! And I Have Smoked Dope With Him :cool:

[Encatuse]

So you'd vote for him purely on the cannabis issue alone :confused:

-laughs- It's been like, months since my post in this thread, so I'm sorry for taking so long to respond to this.

No, I wouldn't vote for him.. but to be honest I think the whole "Arnold is a Nazi!" thing is abunch of paranoid bullshit. I've found out only recently that some people shouldn't smoke weed. It makes some people absolutely convinced the world is out to get them. I think anyone who actually thinks Arnold is our next president is one of those people.

Edit: I've now read a few of Pisshead's posts... seriously man. Can living in your world of paranoia and conspiracy theories actually be bearable? Someone reality check this guy.

[pisshead]

i used to be an ingorant fool like yourself, until about 3 years ago, when i started digging deeper. to think people in power, like all throughout history, aren't doing things to get more power and control over your life, using slick propaganda, is naive. i wish i didn't have to spend so much time keeping up to date with what's going on around the world, that way i wouldn't see all the doublethink and lies and propaganda.

it's bearable. i have a job i like and overally enjoy my life. i'm not paranoid about anything. being aware is different from being paranoid. i understand we are entering world government and freely giving up our sovereignty to a global cabal of bankers and social elites, names you haven't even heard of, who rule more of your life than you realize.

i wish i could care about martha and michael jackson and the scott peterson case and watch american idol and sit on my ass and do nothing...

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

to those who thinks things are a-ok...i really have nothing to say. start reading.



add former president bush to your list, from the houston chronicle:
Governor Receives Bush Award
Senior Bush suggests that Schwarzenegger could someday become president

Houston Chronicle | November 30, 2004

COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Former President George H.W. Bush presented Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger an award for public service on Tuesday and suggested that the foreign-born, former action movie star could someday be elected president.

"In regard to him ever being president of the United States, my advice to you Aggies and to any of those doubters, don't bet against Arnold Schwarzenegger," Bush told about 2,500 people attending the award ceremony at Texas A&M University.

*snip*

this guy is seriously being groomed for president it's not even funny, just like clinton was when he was a rhodes scholar/carol quigley minion. it will be funny however to watch all the so-called 'republicans' vote for him, when he's run up against some democrat shill that no one will want.

[pisshead]

"My relationship to power and authority is that I'm all for it." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger at 44 to US News and World Report in 1990.

"People need somebody to watch over them... Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger at 44 to US News and World Report in 1990.

"My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt."
Arnold Schwarzenegger on his friend and fellow Austrian Kurt Waldheim, a Nazi war criminal

"I was born to be a leader. I love the fact that millions of people look up to me."

I was always dreaming about very powerful people, dictators and things like that. I was just always impressed by people who could be remembered for hundreds of years, or even, like Jesus, be for thousands of years remembered."
Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 1977 film Pumping Iron

"I saw this toilet bowl. How many times do you get away with this, to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating there ... The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman, she's a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group."
Arnold Schwarzenegger describing a scene in Terminator 3