Grandma in Pain

[dutch.lover]

I need some ideas about how to get my oma (dutch for grandma) to use marijuana for the pain she is in. She has severe arthritis and tendonitis in both of her arms, and has been prescribed Oxycodon for her pain. She cannot sleep for longer than an hour at a time because the pain wakes her up. She isn't very old, and is very active and otherwise very healthy for her age. Arthritis and tendonitis won't kill her, but the decrease in the quality of her life and the meds she has been prescribed might. I hate the current medical system right now; how it only treats symptoms and never works to prevent diseases. It also rarely discusses lifestyle changes that could help a person out. I know a guy who had gout, and was able to clear it up in two weeks by changing his diet, whereas his dad had got it previous and is now on dialysis to help with his failing kidneys and liver due to all the medication he has been prescribed.

I would be very surprised if cannabis didn't help with my oma's pain and sleeplessness, so I want her to try it. I doubt she would go for it knowingly, so I guess I will have to try to get her to use it without her knowledge (is that wrong, given the circumstances and what she has to gain?). Cooking with bud is probably the best idea I can think of, but she might become suspicious or at the very least confused, if I tell her that eating a brownie every evening will help her sleep better. lol. Can anyone think of something to help me out?

[twist n shout]

I think I have to agree with ya,Dutch.Your gramma is more likely than not,from the old school.You didnt say how old she is.I am 50 yo,and I have degenerative arthritis in my entire skelatal system.Spinal fusion and all that happy crap.More surgerys to come.I started out taking oxy this and oxy that,norco,demerol,morphine sulfate,soma,even dilaudid.Four years I took that crap.It made me a drooling,babbling,idiot.It didnt do a thing for the pain.I started using weed medicinally two years ago,and I havent looked back since.It literally erases the pain.Completely gone.I am a true believer.Now,back to gramma.What I would do is make a batch of brownies,set them out,she will have one or two,and watch her.Make sure she is ok.Ill bet ya money she will get some decent rest the very first nite.Seems kinda sneaky,but she will notice the difference all on her own.Once she sees how it helps,she will slowly come around.Good luck to ya.Ill say a prayer for your gramma.I know just how she feels.Let me know how it works out.

[BlueCat]

I printed out all the new research on weed and chronic pain I even found an article on weed and alzhemers then I went over it with my mom and gave her some brownies. It worked and she was amazed.

[thcbongman]

I think you should let her try a batch with her permission. Don't sneak them in, that's dishonest. Keep trying to convince her that cannabis is truly a good medicine for pain relief. Show articles, testimonials from other patients with similar ailments.

For my cancer, I was prescribed 12 different drugs for various ailments, including back pain from having a 10cm tumor wedged by my kidneys, Methadone, Hydromorphone, Zofran, Dytripaline etc.

Halfway through chemotherapy, I didn't have to take anymore pharaceuticals because I realized ganja did a better job for relief than all of them combined. It's a crime that people aren't allowed to use cannabis legally for medical use.

[dutch.lover]

"It's a crime that people aren't allowed to use cannabis legally for medical use." I completely agree. It truly pains me to see all the suffering some people go through, when they could just be told to try smoking weed. I read in a book called "Benefits of Marijuana" by Joan Bello, that some doctors actually tell their patients to try weed, and they are disappointed that they can't prescribe it legally. Anyways, I have really enjoyed the suggestions you all have made so far, and I am going to start putting together all the research and knowledge I have acquired on cannabis' medicinal uses to present to her soon. I will be seeing her Saturday. I have been speaking to my mom about this (my oma's daughter) and she thinks weed would be a good idea for my oma as well, so I think it would be a good idea if both her and I speak to her about it. Thanks for your help and support so far.

[blackhash]

Dutch Lover,

I applaud your decision to inform her and let her make her own choice. Before thinking about dosing someone else...a person should all think back to their first euphoric experience with cannabis and then ask themselves what that experience would have been like had that feeling come out of nowhere & had no explanation that you could fathom? Not good....and certainly not a way to introduce someone to such a wonderful plant.

I'm a chronic pain patient/medical marijuana patient here in the US...I'll spare you the details but I will say that if she is in as much pain as you say she is I believe she will willlingly try cannabis. I know there are days when I'd try anything...and I know I'm not alone in that feeling...

good luck in your quest. (and be prepared to buy some gardening tools if she digs it!)

[Storm Crow]

I'm glad you have your Mom's support in this, it will make it a lot easier! I have put in a few articles that are readable-
pain - http://www.news.net/print_article.asp?id=17995
arthritis (and more)- http://ccrmg.org/journal/04spr/conditions.html
sleep modulation - http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/3/8/
arthritis- http://bentham.org/ctmc/contabs/ctmc6-13.htm#8

If you need more, just run a search on cannabis arthritis and you will get more than you need! NORML and EROWID both have a lot of info. I'm a medical user in California and I'm 59. Once you convince Oma to try it in a brownie, think seriously about getting her a vaporizer (the little Vapor Brothers types are nice and not TOO expensive). She doesn't need to mess her lungs up and too many brownies put on the pounds! By the way, vaped cannabis can be reused in brownies- recycling at its best! - Granny Storm Crow :stoned:

[dutch.lover]

Thanks granny and backhash. I really hope she decides to try it, I am going to work really hard to build my case for the medicinal benefits of cannabis. I have read a lot about it, so now I just need to go through and organize all the info I have. Thanks for the links btw. I will let you know how it goes.

*love*

[harris7]

you just gotta do it striaght up.

Roll a nice 1/8 oz blunt....

Hey grama

[blondie68]

hey dutch.lover
i come from a family with a long history of arthritis and all variations therof, believe it or not we discovered that pineapple and mangos help with the inflamation get that down and there is some relief of the pain. as for mj my husband is a chronic pain pt and there is no better med for pain relief than mj. i agree with all above and let oma decide.
blondie

[Have a Cigar]

I wouldn't chance it on the brownies, some people who have never really been high react poorly to getting STONED. Just watch out, and make the potency super low because eating is alot more of an effect than smoking. I know the first time I tripped on brownies I was a bit scared.

[dutch.lover]

It actually occured to me that my oma LOVES hot chocolate, so making some 'special' hot chocolate could perhaps become her nighttime routine.

[mr_vega]

Oxycodon is fu*ked up. i know guy who snorts it. he says its like heroin

[fancy boots]

This kind of thing truly saddens me when I think of how THC can literally be used for medicinal purposes and not because some lame teen is saying that to get it legalized. It's so sad =X. I wouldn't be dishonest to her, get as much information about it to her as you can, sit down and talk to her. Possibly get her to talk to her doctor, they're not going to tell anyone about what she says and who on god's green earth would arrest her for using it for this purpose.

Truly saddening. :(

[dutch.lover]

Oxycodon is fu*ked up. i know guy who snorts it. he says its like heroin

That would explain why she feels so numb and out of it during the day. I just think it will be hard to approach her with this info... but we will see how it goes. I will know in the next three days how it turns out. Keep ya posted.

Thanks for all the kind thoughts so far.

[harris7]

you could research oxycodon and find out all the bad shit it does.

a lot of people would be appalled at the side effects of these drugs society is on. Now thats FUCKED UP

[biohazard]

make her pot brownies or something. cook with cannabis. also, try giving her just enough to give her a slight buzz, but not get her high. she would still benefit from the THC as well as be able to function normally (she might freak the first few times she is high, and cooking with weed gets you SO much higher). just my 2 cents.

[harris7]

cooking, i find, is very inexact.

[BlueCat]

Heres an another article to show her...all older people should be smoking weed. I couldn't get my husband to smoke it until I showed him this article and a few others. He is 20 years older than me so we have to keep his brain healthy :D

Good news for aging hippies: smoking pot may stave off Alzheimer’s disease.

New research shows that the active ingredient in marijuana may prevent the formation of deposits in the brain associated with the degenerative disease.

Researchers at the Scripps Research Institute in California found that marijuana's active ingredient, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, can prevent an enzyme called acetylcholinesterase from accelerating the formation of "Alzheimer plaques" in the brain more effectively than commercially marketed drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15145917/

Good Luck

Cat

[BizzleLuvin]

dont sneak brownies on oma. thats not a very friendly thing to do. i know if i were her i would have a cow. tell her first.

[phoenix]

My grandma takes so much medication for shit, she has migraines all the time (chronic, i guess). She's very healthy though and dances like 3 nights a week. She's 82 i believe. I'd love to try and get her to toke a bit, maybe cut down on the 23904823093 pills she has to take, but I seriously doubt she'd go for it. She isn't really in a bad situation like your grandma though, so I guess it's not that big of a deal.

I hope you can help your grandma out though, I like old people. :) (even the crotchety ones, they're just so funny :D)

[Markass]

I need some ideas about how to get my oma (dutch for grandma) to use marijuana for the pain she is in. She has severe arthritis and tendonitis in both of her arms, and has been prescribed Oxycodon for her pain. She cannot sleep for longer than an hour at a time because the pain wakes her up. She isn't very old, and is very active and otherwise very healthy for her age. Arthritis and tendonitis won't kill her, but the decrease in the quality of her life and the meds she has been prescribed might. I hate the current medical system right now; how it only treats symptoms and never works to prevent diseases. It also rarely discusses lifestyle changes that could help a person out. I know a guy who had gout, and was able to clear it up in two weeks by changing his diet, whereas his dad had got it previous and is now on dialysis to help with his failing kidneys and liver due to all the medication he has been prescribed.

I would be very surprised if cannabis didn't help with my oma's pain and sleeplessness, so I want her to try it. I doubt she would go for it knowingly, so I guess I will have to try to get her to use it without her knowledge (is that wrong, given the circumstances and what she has to gain?). Cooking with bud is probably the best idea I can think of, but she might become suspicious or at the very least confused, if I tell her that eating a brownie every evening will help her sleep better. lol. Can anyone think of something to help me out?

Just approach her with documentation of the effictiveness of marijuana against pain without adverse side effects, compare what oxycontin does to her body, the addictiveness of it, and the side effects that come with regular use of painkillers..to those of marijuana...absolutely none.:stoned:

[ZeldaG.]

not that i care or anything but i do believe that ''sneaking'' cannabis in lol is like illegal... :eek:

and we all know you wouldnt want to go breaking any laws now would you??

but seriously my advice would be to get loads of infformtion and take her through it, force her, if she runs tie her down, its all for the cause, shell get her granny friends smoking and everyone knows its the grannies of this world that really tip the votes when it coems to voting (i swear they like get three votes each compared to our 1s) and than she should snap, and itll be better for her too.

but dont just keep going with the goods, make up some bad things about cannabis too otherwise she might not believes you.

GOOD LUCK

[dutch.lover]

i didn't have time over xmas (i only saw her once), but I am still planning on approaching her about it. I have NOT decided to sneakily get her high. I would gather info and talk to her about it. If/when I do talk to her (it's kinda difficult cause i live in vancouver and she lives in calgary, ab) I will update you all.

Thanks again for all your support on this.

[ValkyrieAg]

I think you should just straight up ask.
"Hey grandma, do you know anyone with medical marijuana?"
Get to talking about it. Ask her to try it for 2 weeks.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

the best way to turn her off to drugs, is to lie to her about them.

so be upfront. there are many good resources, and depending on her education level, you can choose some that will be appropriate. let her make her own decision, after all, she is an adult.

[mrdevious]

Oxycodone is right up there with heroin or morphine, just slightly less potent. Any doctor, medical specialist, or anybody with some knowledge on the matter can tell you that oxy is a more addictive, potentially more harmful, and much stronger high of a drug. Not to mention that it doesn't reduce the inflamation that your grandmother needs to have reduced, it only blocks the pain receptors. THC will actually physically help her with the disease, not just cover it up.

But damn, if your grandma get on the weed I'll glady that that oxycodone off her hands. It pisses me off my docs won't give me something stronger than Tramadol, but I guess being a 21 year old white male makes me look like more of a potential drug abuser than an old lady. *sigh* isn't special treatment based on stereotypes wonderful?

[trynagethigh]

just a thought..try not to call it pot or weed, use cannabis. Definetely keep it real with her, dont sneak it..does she smoke cigs?If she does see if she will smoke with it in her cigs, I have heard that the nicotene actually kills the THC somewhat so it may be a good idea if she does go for it as it probably wont be as strong. I just cant see granny puffin white widow on the first go round. Might want somethin a little less potent...LOL

[dutch.lover]

UPDATE!!! My grandmother has decided all on her own, to apply to get a medical marijuana card!!! I am soooo proud of her, and so happy that something will finally help her pain and sleeplessness. She is meeting with her arthritis specialist in about 2 weeks, and is going to ask him about it then. She wants to go the 'legal' route first, but it sounds like her mind is made up to start using it. She told my mother all about this, and my mom told her that I was growing my own "medical" marijuana- and that I would be willing to supply her with some :D My grandma is even considering growing her own....this is sooo amazing, she is almost 70 years old and is not closeminded like most old folks are, lol. I am so happy!!!! She will finally be free of oxycodon.

now i need to do some research of my own to find out what strains are best for pain relief, and sleep aid (altho any heavy indica is probably great for this). If anyone knows some good strains, feel free to let me know on this thread!

[Matt the Funk]

UPDATE!!! My grandmother has decided all on her own, to apply to get a medical marijuana card!!! I am soooo proud of her, and so happy that something will finally help her pain and sleeplessness. She is meeting with her arthritis specialist in about 2 weeks, and is going to ask him about it then. She wants to go the 'legal' route first, but it sounds like her mind is made up to start using it. She told my mother all about this, and my mom told her that I was growing my own "medical" marijuana- and that I would be willing to supply her with some :D My grandma is even considering growing her own....this is sooo amazing, she is almost 70 years old and is not closeminded like most old folks are, lol. I am so happy!!!! She will finally be free of oxycodon.

now i need to do some research of my own to find out what strains are best for pain relief, and sleep aid (altho any heavy indica is probably great for this). If anyone knows some good strains, feel free to let me know on this thread!Congrats to her. Fuck opiates. SO addictive.

[robert42]

any indicas are good but here some specific strains:

New York Diesel
Migraine Headaches

Northern Lights / Jamaican
Arthritis

Sweet Blu
Degenerative Bone/Disc Disease, Diabetic Neuropathy, Edema, Fibromyalgia, Muscle Spasms, Nausea, Neck / Spine Pain

Train Wreck
Anxiety, Arthritis, Diabetic Neuropathy

TX
Arthritis, Asthma, General Pain, General Seizures, Glaucoma, Multiple Sclerosis

[Abattoir Dream]

If you can get hold of it, i think Matanuska Tundra has quite a few medicinal uses... its from up in the mountains, its easy to harvest at the right time too, it tastes like chocolate, and is highly recommended..

as for indica, 'Mangolian Indica' or 'Slyder' both seem like some good stuff, especially for growing ;)

whatever happens i hope ur gran is okay ;) weed should help her out :)

[napolitana869]

I'm glad to hear she made that choice all on her own. I'm sure this is going to change her life for the better, and give the 2 of you soething to bond over. maybe for her birthday you could get her a vap.

[Storm Crow]

Now go out and buy Granny a vaporizer! The last thing she needs is a toker's cough. And let her know that she isn't the only older toker- I'll be 60 in a couple of months and I know there are others out there who are "old hippies".- Granny:hippy:

[dutch.lover]

I was wanting to get her a volcano...not that i could afford it myself but im sure my family could all chip. They used to be $800 when they came out here, but now are down to about $600, $500 on ebay.

I think I could educate her on cooking with it though, because she might prefer that. Special hot chocolate anyone?

Thanks for the replys guys, I was so glad I could update this thread:)

ps: I am already growing Northern Lights so that's good...but I have also been thinking of taking on some new strains lately so this gives me a great excuse!

[Storm Crow]

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Cannabis Recipes (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7602&highlight=elixer)

All kinds of stuff in the thread!- Granny:hippy:

[Abattoir Dream]

I think I could educate her on cooking with it though, because she might prefer that. Special hot chocolate anyone?

lol this is why i say MATANUSKA TUNDRA!!! haha, if she likes hot chocolate... this IS the weed for her... it smells like chocolate... its good for relieving pain, and im 100% sure you and harris will have a good time growing it :)

check this site... Sagarmatha Seeds (http://www.highestseeds.com)

they sell matanuska, her family, and other good strains... its definately worth a quick peek...:)

[Abattoir Dream]

Sagarmatha does not ship to the USA or to Canada.


aww.. damn... lol thats such a shame...:(