Being Sober

[LazySmoking420]

Is a nice of state mind every now and than. Don't get me wrong I'll top of a nice brew every now and than. But for weed, I'm no longer a daily user, I havent smoked the budha for about a mouth. The main reason I took a break was because I'm currently out of a job and I wont to start busting my ass and getting my shit together. When I was smoking daily, I thought I couldn't live without weed. I was in a deep marijuana haze for a good while. It was fun and hell, I wont lie. I love marijuana. You just gotta know your limit. And believe you can live and thrive on this earth without weed 24-7, Dont get me wrong weed is a nice life tool to release from the stresses of this world every now and than but when used in extrem excess like I did, it can and will have a negitive effect of your life, If nothing more than your pocket book will take a hit.

I'm not trying to change anyones use, But to just state that being clear headed can be a positive every now and than. I'm looking forward to my next toke when my tolerance is really low.

Who here has taken breaks from weed?

[Polymirize]

I'm in the same boat. I prefer to think that I take occasional breaks from sobriety rather than the other way around. Sure smoking is fun, but dependancy is not. To each their own though, I suppose.

[Inferius]

If you think about it, being sober can be just as much of an expirience as being stoned. You've probably already thought this, as it seems like a natural path of thought for a stoner after taking a break from a lot of smoking...
But if what if we were born stoned? And a drug like marijuana made us sober instead? People would still smoke it... We can't really understand what it would be like to grow up stoned, our perception of it would be quite different, but the fuzzyness would definately be noticeable after smoking some Clearminding-drugs. And if there is a way to cloud your mind, is there a way to make us even more clear-minded? Psychedelics do this in a way, but they cloud quite a lot at the same time, certain mental abilities are enhanced and weakened.
After smoking a lot, I really do appreciate being sober like you said... I think when I have the finances i'd like to keep it 50/50.
And then draw out some sobriety time for a tolerance break.

I really need to do some more psychedelics... Enlightenment isn't just a whimsical fantasy.

[Captin]

A few times I've been around that track
So it's not just gonna happen like that
Cause I ain't no hollaback girl!
I ain't no hollaback girl!
I ain't no hollaback girl!

Oooh, this my Shit , this my Shit
Oooh, this my Shit , this my Shit
Oooh, this my Shit , this my Shit
Oooh, this my Shit , this my Shit

Cause I ain't no hollaback girl!
I ain't no hollaback girl!
I ain't no hollaback girl!

[Captin]

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S
this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S
Again, this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S
This shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S

[Polymirize]

But if what if we were born stoned? And a drug like marijuana made us sober instead? People would still smoke it... We can't really understand what it would be like to grow up stoned, our perception of it would be quite different, but the fuzzyness would definately be noticeable after smoking some Clearminding-drugs.

Grammar aside, I think if you grew up "stoned" then getting sober would still be seen as a mind-altering experience. I don't know why we need to think there's some objective baseline between people as long as we all agree that the use of a drug pushes us somewhere else. different.
I mean, the thing about being stoned all the time is, well, you kinda just get used to it don't you?

As for enlightenment, I think you might get a taste, but I don't think its going to be acheived in any sort of lasting sense through the use of a drug. Just my thoughts.

[Inferius]

Grammar aside, I think if you grew up "stoned" then getting sober would still be seen as a mind-altering experience. I don't know why we need to think there's some objective baseline between people as long as we all agree that the use of a drug pushes us somewhere else. different.
I mean, the thing about being stoned all the time is, well, you kinda just get used to it don't you?

As for enlightenment, I think you might get a taste, but I don't think its going to be acheived in any sort of lasting sense through the use of a drug. Just my thoughts.

I forget who said it, or exactly how it was said, but the general message was that when on a psychedelic and when acheiving enlightenment (or as you said "A taste") one does not become enlightened merely from the expirience. The expirience opens your eyes, grants you the knoledge, the message, whatever, to a new insight, and you, during your time sober, do the rest of the work to acheive the true meaning, or feeling, or perception. I feel that the meager enlightenment gained from my last expirience has already been thouroughly examined and understood to the extent that is needed. Thus my desire for more psychedelic expiriences. Next time I'll do it properly.

Like most drugs, you need to actually endure them to understand the words behind them. Increased mental abilities, changing realms of consciousness, closed eye visuals, breaking down "walls" of thought, it makes sense once you expirience it. The change in my perception of reality was so different after doing it...

I also value the simple awareness as to how my beleif systems work, the core of my personality and my reactions... The more I delve into myself, the more I am able to change, or overcome any issues I have. I have already started conquering my lack of self-confidence.

The mind is a beautiful, but also controllable, thing.

[Polymirize]

sure. but let me phrase this another way.
After you're comfortable being high, you almost don't need bud to get that way. You can just remember being high and put yourself in the same sort of mindset.

Maybe if you take drugs for insight you could just learn how to be insightful, and then be that way even while sober.

[MunchoMan]

you've all inspired me to do an experiemnt. I'm going to make a kid tonight, and make sure that kid is stoned 24/7....then when he/she is 17 i take away the weed. It would be funny to see how he/she reacts. I'll get back to you in 17 years and 9 months, stay tuned :dance:

[MacWQ33]

I know exactly what you mean man. I've probably smoked like once in the last 2 months. I used to smoke a hell of a lot more when I was younger, and I wanted to smoke everyday...but, then once you take a few days off, you're back to enjoying soberness. Now getting lit up is an event again, and I like it better that way. But as for the beer...well...I'm in my college years so....I'ma hang on to that LOL.

[Its a Plant]

As for enlightenment, I think you might get a taste, but I don't think its going to be acheived in any sort of lasting sense through the use of a drug. Just my thoughts.
You'd be surprised to learn that I've learned SO much about myself and everyone else around me doing just that. It never came close to getting out of hand, but I'd take a few doses a few times each month over the past year or so, and it has honestly opened doors. One thing it has let me do is come into my own thought process, because for some time my mind seemed to always be a mess, with little to no organization. Now it's like I've got a filing cabinet in there 24/7. There are plenty of other things it's taught me, but the point is that psychedelics can be used to self-examination and enlightenment. You just have to be smart about it, and always with moderation.

As for sobriety, I've grown to love those random rushes I get throughout the day. Like when I'm driving, I get this overwhelming feeling, and I am GLAD to be alive. So glad. I dunno, I just can't stop smiling. I think a good balance between smoking and being sober makes for honestly the PERFECT life. ~

[Inferius]

^^^ I feel you there brother.

[justinsane]

As for sobriety, I've grown to love those random rushes I get throughout the day. Like when I'm driving, I get this overwhelming feeling, and I am GLAD to be alive. So glad. I dunno, I just can't stop smiling. I think a good balance between smoking and being sober makes for honestly the PERFECT life. ~

thats a powerful group of sentences.