U.k Riots against Muslims..what do u think

[WEED_UK]

With all the tension from the past few years from 9/11, london tube bombings,
muslim groups carring out public (hate) preachings in bradford leeds etc ,jack straw (M.P) speaking his mind about muslim women wearing vails(quite right).

Isn`t it time us british stood up to this relgion , i am not a beliver in anything relgious as i believe religion is the biggest killer in this world but then i have been tolorant of religion until now!

I am a white british male with a young family me 26 my girl 25 my little boy 5 and my newiest addition to the family 1 week old, i now feel that very insure about going on a plane anywhere and even going to the capital london for fear of my children being caught or mamed in a bomb blast!!!!

I have no problems with blacks ,chineese ,jews , christians , other europeans
they all have brought great ideas and influenced the country and many others greatly................But why is it you cannot walk into a petrol station with a crash helmet on but yet if you wear a muslim vail thats fine...come in!!

if i now went out into the street and said "i hate muslims" i would be arrested , yet if i were muslim and said lets kill the british and americans and rob there banks and post offices he gets away with it........this country has lost its sense of direction and getting in a bigger mess.
When somebody takes the oath or is part of the british empire they should obide by our rules/laws if not fuck off home where they originated from.
If any foreinger was to visit one of their temples or country we are expected to cover up our arms& legs and maybe taking our shoes of, we agree to their rules with no arguements....because we respect.....why is it so hard for them to return the favour..........Muslims have brought the hatred on by themselves because of there beliefs ,disrespect of the british public , laws , stubborness and dam right secretive society.
Its time to learn from our mistakes and take a lesson that muslim intigration will not work in this country without causing a massive divide which has happened in yugoslavia,israel,russia,iraq and africa why the hell does britain think it will be ok when some of the largest continents on earth cant cope with muslim influx......................Britain should go back to its pagen origin,where we had the sense to see that we came from the earth around us
carbon water atoms etc not some invisible dude that no fucker has seen!
Only when religion is stamped out will we see peace

[psychocat]

As a biker who hates having to take off my scarf and helmet whenever I stop at a shop for a paper I don't see the difference if anyone else who covers their face is asked to do the same.

That pisses me off.

[BobBong]

As a biker who hates having to take off my scarf and helmet whenever I stop at a shop for a paper I don't see the difference if anyone else who covers their face is asked to do the same.

That pisses me off.

Now what if you were born with that helmet and scarf?

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87825

I made that thread..i think it could apply here.

[Abattoir Dream]

yeh, youve got a good point, everyone OTHER than muslims seem to at least respect the country they live in, i have nothing against the muslim religion or any other religion for that matter but there is an equality issue with muslims, they seem to think they dont have to listen, and that we are discriminating against them, personally i think any religion who would blow up a load of innocent people in the name of 'allah' is bullshit, these muslims are ideots, and shouldnt even be muslims, the religion is not about killing, that is against muslim rules! i think terrorists are a bunch of pricks that are pissed of with the world and use religion (as many people would die for their religion) as a way to recruit more pricks. The most irritating thing about terrorists is that they try to force us into being muslim, and if we arent muslims, we must be killed one terrorist hate preacher said 'Self respecting Muslims can never live alongside infedels'-somethin like that, im sorry but, whos fuckin country are you trying to take over? and who are the fuckin infidels if THEY are blowing US up? WTF?!?! i think we should put our fuckin foot down, yeh people may not like blacks, or gays, or foreigners, BUT AT LEAST THEY DONT BLOW US UP!!! I say, we start throwin fuckin muslims off the cliffs of dover, little pricks, its not like we havent got a GOOD REASON to kick them out of OUR FUCKIN COUNTRY, I say, load up a gun, pick a fuckin muslim, F'ckin BANG! they will eventually start trying to escape, and any that try coming back, F'ckin BANG! haha F'ckin BANG! nah, seriously, we gotta get rid of 'em...

[lowryderulez]

i agree with woteva he jus sed

[BobBong]

Obviously you guys didn't read the thread i posted then...

because you both sound like pussies...

[psychocat]

Now what if you were born with that helmet and scarf?

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87825

I made that thread..i think it could apply here.

Thats bollocks since everyone is born the same way...
BUTT NAKED !

[BobBong]

Thats bollocks since everyone is born the same way...
BUTT NAKED !

It's a figurative scarf.

It signifies religion. Many people are born into a religion and know only what they are taught from day one.
So explain why Muslims can live around me, and I around them without any problems. It's certainly not because I'm in Canada..
You think it's the teachings that are the problem but who is teaching them? Maybe you should be going after the people that force and mislead others into a religion, or simply give them no other choice.
I was not born Muslim hoose to become Muslim...does that mean i'll go "kaboom" as well?
I was however, born into a religion and know exactly what it's like to know only what is told to you. The beginning years of your life are..well, important to the development of your personality. Muslims live all over the world and have for many years...well before any of this stereotyping started.
They are our neighbours and our co-workers and even family.
So why all the attention now?

Or is this quite literally leftovers from the crusades?:confused:

The Muslim faith is by nature a non violent faith.
In fact.. can you think of any religion that teaches people to be violent?
I'd say the Catholic church has sponsored and supported more wars than any other religion...Millions of people gather to see the pope.. and would probably die for him, grown men cry for him. Are they not fanaticals as well?

I agree with the mentality that in order to live in our rapidly changing soceity you need to be able to adapt with it. If not, well.. you're going to be left in the dust.
Removing a helmet when you enter a store should be a given. A helmet protects your head and could even be used as a weapon. A scarf or piece of cloth covering a woman's face? Is not the same thing as entering a store with a helmet on.

I'll move this to the spirituality/religion forum now.. in hopes that a different opinion can be shed on this ...Muslim paranoia.. and yes, that's what it is.
Paranoia.

Bob.

[harris7]

“””With all the tension from the past few years from 9/11”””
I also would say that all of the shit that’s happened isn’t because of 9/11 it is the will of our nations who use 911 to justify what they do to the public (who is more ignorant than ever)

“” i now feel that very insure about going on a plane anywhere and even going to the capital london for fear of my children being caught or mamed in a bomb blast!!!!””

I am sorry that you feel this way, luckily it is irrational. You believe this because your government wants you to believe this because it works to their advantage.
By FAR the most dangerous thing you do in your life is still driving.

“Muslims have brought the hatred on by themselves because of there beliefs”

I don’t believe this either. Remember you are hating a entire people for the actions of some. Actions that my be in response to our actions. I am a Canadian and I expect terrorist attacks to start in Canada. Why, because we deserve it. What we are doing the in middle east is destroying lives, communities and an entire country. If America invaded my country and killed my family, guess what I would do.

[psychocat]

One rule for one person and another rule for another is bound to cause problems.
I should make clear that I blame one institution for this situation and that is the rule makers .
Just because someone believes in a certain religion should not make them exempt from rules everyone else is forced to follow.
If I am stopped by the police and refused to remove my scarf and helmet I could expect to see the inside of a police cell pretty damn quick, why should someone be able to hide their identity if I am forced to reveal mine?

PS I believe the Muslim threat to be complete BS propoganda spread by the gov to sow division therefore making the populace easier to manipulate through fear and BS.

[BlueBear]

I will go and read the link you posted Bob, but you said, "The Muslim faith is by nature a non violent faith." Actually even from the writings of the Koran, it seems that the religion was mainly promoted threw violence. The bible is similar in the old testament, but in the new testament it is exactly the opposite, and even in the old testament the goal of the Jews was to take over a particular land in the name of their God, but with the Muslims the violence was to spread over the entire known world in order to spread the faith if needed. History has painted a pretty vivid picture of it, which has been recorded by historians from many cultures in the ancient world. So this seems a little fuzzy in my logic, but I know that we all have our different opinions on this stuff and I aint trying to hurt anyone's feelings, at least not this time, LOL.
Also, the Crusades which were instigated by the Catholic faith were not something that originated from the writings of the bible, it was political and money centered, but the Muslims ancient attempts to take over the world were directly tide to the teacher of their faith and the example he left and the teachings he propagated.
Also, I have met some awsem Muslim people, but do have a differing opinion on many things that they may find offensive.

[BobBong]

I will go and read the link you posted Bob, but you said, "The Muslim faith is by nature a non violent faith." Actually even from the writings of the Koran, it seems that the religion was mainly promoted threw violence. The bible is similar in the old testament, but in the new testament it is exactly the opposite, and even in the old testament the goal of the Jews was to take over a particular land in the name of their God, but with the Muslims the violence was to spread over the entire known world in order to spread the faith if needed. History has painted a pretty vivid picture of it, which has been recorded by historians from many cultures in the ancient world. So this seems a little fuzzy in my logic, but I know that we all have our different opinions on this stuff and I aint trying to hurt anyone's feelings, at least not this time, LOL.
Also, the Crusades which were instigated by the Catholic faith were not something that originated from the writings of the bible, it was political and money centered, but the Muslims ancient attempts to take over the world were directly tide to the teacher of their faith and the example he left and the teachings he propagated.
Also, I have met some awsem Muslim people, but do have a differing opinion on many things that they may find offensive.

That cracks me up, how many versions of the bible are there now? How many books were "elected" to be removed?

I wonder how many times the Quran has been revised...

[Purple Banana]

What Bob was saying had a great foundation to it- The Christian faith, especially the Catholic faith, has a violent and muddy history. It makes me sick and almost scared to see how much power the pope has over so many opinions. Terrorist is simply another term for murderer. Murderers cause terror, and terrorists cause murder. So why all this stupid "terrorist" bullshit? They're murderers. And there are murderers (terrorists, if you will) in the US and Canada and the UK and India and everywhere- Jewish, Muslim, Christian and Atheists.

Religion is very confusing- that's why I stay out of it.

[WEED_UK]

Now what if you were born with that helmet and scarf?

You fucking what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rofl several times

If he was born with a helmet and scarf or a muslim was born with headwear it would be a genetic fucking mystery ,dick!

All we are saying is that respect our countries laws, if not fuck off home
We go in a temple over iraq you have to cover up
(Its Called respect for that country)
Anyway you probably aint from uk anyway so u dont have a clue whats happning over here.............There will be riots soon in uk.

So we did read your thread!
Just thought it was pathetic!
You call us pussies , whos the one laying down and letting them walk over you!
+ you call us pussies with a name like bob,,,,lol

[WEED_UK]

Anyway im not stupid as i can see whats happing with jews ,christians,muslims and catholics etc i know they all blow each other up!

But stop fucking involving me in your stupid fucking beliefs,you can blow each other up all day long for all i care,in fact they should make it an oylmpic sports in london!!!!
But when my 1 week old boy and 5 yo son run the risk of getting caught up in a tube bomb,coz you divvy fuckers believe a 2000 year old story about an invisable man fucking a virgin and creating "the son of god"
Then yes fuck off

[WEED_UK]

I would love to know how many people die of cancer each year in the world through smoking(which i belive is genetic anyway)

Then how many people die through ethnic cleansing( China ,korea, yugoslavia ,africa ,russia ireland ,iran ,iraq lebanon ,israel ,eygpt ,saudi arabi and on and on and on!!!!

Yet cigarettes come with a warning------Smoking kills!!!!!!

Maybe its time to put that warning on religious bible/books----Religion Kills!!!!

Religion is the biggest killer of this world..............not getting in a fucking car

[harris7]

I agree with your sentiments about religions killing. I believe that religion is the most destructive force, maybe next to racism, in the world.

What i said was that the most dangerous activity you partake in is driving. So it is irrational for you to be afraid for your children’s lives because of terrorism when YOU are putting them if far greater risk by driving them!

You are succumbing to the vividness effect

[WEED_UK]

In three generations of my family ive had 4 people..2 at once killed in terroist acts (trade center) 1 london bomb, my uncle in northern ireland 9 years ago......................i cannot trace a single person from my family history killed through car acciedent!!!!!
I understand that some areas are more targeted from terror but these are generaly built up areas aswell with lots of cars....so my ratio is obviously more on the side of being involved in terror acts
I know the past is sore for me but they are facts!!!!

vividness effect.....no

actual first hand effect

[BlueBear]

That cracks me up, how many versions of the bible are there now? How many books were "elected" to be removed?

I wonder how many times the Quran has been revised...


You wonder how many times the "Quran" has been re written? Well, it wasn't even written for a couple hundred of years after the death of their teacher, so every peace of the book was held together by oral tradition for over 2 centuries, that seems just as miraculous as the writing of the bible.
Also you didn't even comment on what I said about the murderess origin of the Muslim faith and how the terrorist are doing no different than what they have been taught to promote their faith, "â??And when the sacred months are past, kill those who join other gods with God, wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, beseige them, and lay in wait
for them with every kind of ambush; but if they repent and observe the prayers, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is gracious
and merciful." Adieu

[harris7]

:rasta:

[harris7]

In three generations of my family ive had 4 people..2 at once killed in terroist acts (trade center) 1 london bomb, my uncle in northern ireland 9 years ago......................i cannot trace a single person from my family history killed through car acciedent!!!!!
I understand that some areas are more targeted from terror but these are generaly built up areas aswell with lots of cars....so my ratio is obviously more on the side of being involved in terror acts
I know the past is sore for me but they are facts!!!!

vividness effect.....no

actual first hand effect


I am very sad to hear that.

But that is exactly what the vividness effect is. To the T.

The vividness effect is the tendency for humans to overrule Probalistic reasoning because of testimonial evidence. The truth is, is that you and everyone else in first world countries are more likely to die because of a car accident. You cannot dispute this it is a fact go look it up if you wish. It amazes me that your family has suffered such tragedy as it is so unlikely (statistically) but non the less it happened.

Any population approximately follows the normal curve (See below). And the center is the average (thus what we should follow). As we can see there are many cases with large deviations from the average. For example my family at one end with no one ever dying from terrorism and your family at the other. These are not representational of the population and thus reality. How about my family I have 4 people who have been seriously injured or killed in a car accident but I understand that isnâ??t representational of reality.

So by me saying that you have succumb to the vividness effect Iâ??m saying that you may have looked at some stats saying that cars are more dangerous, but you look at your family (testimonial evidence) it overrides your reliance on the statistics (which you should be following)

Iâ??ll use the USA as an example because I know the stats
Car accidentsâ??300+ per week
Terrorism --- 3000 in 2001 non or little since
--- yet look at their public their fucking terrified of terrorism which is completely irrational

[mattmao]

why live in fear of minoritys!

[harris7]

why live in fear at all

[chisme]

i think its 100% true /......if you dont like our laws.....fuck off home

Im so fucking sick of this bullshit..."oh our country has to pay taxes" why? to put up sume scroungy cunts in a 5star hotel while they run up grands in costs a week and all they fucking do is moan...."sorry i do not understanding english".....ten minutes later= "benefits? oh yes please sir if you wouldnt mind can i lease have that in 20's" funny how they can read and speak english when they wanna cliam some fucking benefits but cant speak enoutgh to get a fucking job....they claim benefits then go to the street corner and work on building sites......funny if i done that id be arrested and thrown in jail,


ok what the fuck is with this shitty muslim school bullshit?!"!

what if i had a school JUST for english people? that would be racist wouldnt it? funny that eh? u can have a muslim school........but a english school?!..."oooooooooo"

seriously u knwo if i become un-employed i get £30 every 2 weeks.........now if i wasnt born in this country and came from sum shit-hole and scived off the british taxpayers.....id get £120 every week......anyone think thats fucked up? i mean i pay tax every month of my working life.....and then when my goverment is soposed to be helping me out they give it to some spnonging cunt whose never brought anything except a minging smell to my homeland?


my sister who was born in this country has 2 baby boys and a husband but she still cant get a fucking decent 2 bedroom house because of all the dirty wankers taking up our space for free....

i paid NHS all my life ........if i needed an operation....and an imigrant needed the same operation at the same place same time.......the imigrant would get it....do u think thats fucked up in my own country !!

i pay nhs all my life and when i driled a hole in my thumb at a old job i had to take anti-biotics ........theyw anted me to pay for them? basicly even though i have paid the nhs god knows how much money..i still have to pay for a small bottle of meds even though ive ever asked for anything else.......oh but if i came from another country and was claiming benefits....id get it free..


THIS COUNTRY CARES NOTHING FOR ITS PEOPLE ANY MORE!!!!

[psychocat]

Chisme as much as I understand where you're coming from and respect your feelings about this situation we also have to look closer to home.
How many brit white folks do you know who collect the bins?
How many Brit white folk do you know are benefit scroungers? there are enough believe me.
How many Brit white folks do you know who are just plain fuckin' lazy ?
We are turning into a nation of scrounging yobs with no self respect.

I have worked for over 30 years and I recently injured my back , I found out just how the goverment values people like myself by the lack of proper treatment and the insulting amount of benefits I recieve for 3 decades of working and paying my taxes.

The goverment and the people need to get their act together IMO.

[MelT]

All of this is being stirred up on purpose. Nobody suggested there would be riots or problems until the BBC did a news report suggesting that it MIGHT - only might - eventually happen. A Muslim leader said he'd had no indication of anything like that. Another community leader said the same, but the 'riots' theme was still palyed out in the newspiece. No support for the idea at all, just a conjecture.

This is a game our goverment is creating to make a gulf between us and Muslims, do not fall for it. I understand that posters here are unhappy, that they have issues. But don't let this get out of hand. Don't play the game.

I live in Bristol, which has a massive Muslim community. Any signs of unrest there? Any changes in day to day feeling in our community? Any posters about political meetings or angry graffiti on walls? Protests? Fights? Bit of scuffle outside a pub or two? A scowl even from the Muslim family who run the shop at the end of my street??? Not a bit of it. Life goes on and nothing has changed.

But we're being made to think that things are changing, quickly and dangerously and that Islam is the 'danger within'. Please, think, see all of this for what it is. Manipulation. The only way to fight what's happening is to withhold belief in what you read and see on TV.

MelT

[Nylo]

Only when religion is stamped out will we see peace

I have to disagree. The abolishion of religion is a clarion call for dictatorships and the rise of human evil. Religion keeps government in check, as does government keep religion in check. This is a natural balance that should be preserved at all costs.


Ironically, the reason fanatic Islam is allowed to do many of the things they are in the UK is because the UK has lost much of it's conservative influence. It's liberal ideology that allows Islamic fanaticism to get away with volitile acts. Moral relativism is an extreme danger to the human spirit.

A society that doesn't believe in evil begins to breed it.

[Tom Swierzbinski]

Why do some of us fear muslims? How many muslims are actually fanatics willing to blow themselves up in the name of God? Probably less than 3%.
Each day we hear and read about MUSLIMS being arrested on terror charges, and quite a large number. After being subjected to this for several months, its going to sink into your sub-conscious until you wake up one day and think 'hey, all muslims are terrorists!'. Well, maybe not quite like that, but its getting awfully close and its extremely sad that nowadays, most people cannot even trust a tanned/brown coloured person in the fear that they may be a muslim. Its called BRAINWASHING.

White Supremacy, anyone? :(

When the day comes, when there is a mass 'rebellion' against muslims, I for one will be defending them.

[Ivlatt]

Hi,
I don't really know much about this because I'm not the type of person to want to learn about this from the news and such. I show no interest in it because there's so much shit going on throughout the world revolving around the same kind of scenario. But I'm going to post my thoughts.
From what I've read on here, and from what I understand, overall I think it results to the government and their sly ways of conning money and people, I think they're rediculous.
Some of you English people will understand what this is about; people from other countries won't because I don't think you 'benefit' from this; benefit, yeah right.
My point is EMA; Education Maintenance Allowance. I'm just 17 years old and I do not recieve EMA. This is because their income boundary for EMA is £30,000 a year. My step dad is on £40,000 alone. My mum is on £15,000.
My first point is that it's my step dad on the high payroll, he is not my blood-relative. He is not going to give me any money, why should he? We live in a quarter mill house, I have 2 brothers, a baby brother and one at primary school. My mum's money is already spoken for right there, among debts and such. I recieve no income. But they don't seem to understand that.
How is EMA paid for? Taxes.
This is what bothers me the most, it's all abig con. My parents pay for peoples EMA through their taxes, but I don't recieve it because MY PARENTS, i mean.. My step dad is on a high payroll? Great. :confused:
Some of you will reply with telling me to get a part-time job. I have done, but it's difficult to goto college full time, then work part time, among sociailising, and such.
My point of the story is, the government are shit.

[MelT]

White Supremacy, anyone? :(

When the day comes, when there is a mass 'rebellion' against muslims, I for one will be defending them.

That will make two of us Tom.

MelT

[Maggz]

www.faithfreedom.org

[Tom Swierzbinski]

www.faithfreedom.org

Nice propaganda :mad: Why dont you learn abot history a little, then come back with a valid argument instead of a pointless link. Stupid cow.

If I remember correctly, Mossadegh (a previous Iranian president) was set up and kicked out of office... because he didnt want to monopolise the oil in his country. He wanted to offer it to anyone at a fair price, kicking BP etc out of the oilfields. America got majorly pissed off at this, and subsequently launced propaganda against him, claiming that he was behind attacks in the country. My mind is a little fuzzy at the moment, so some details may not be correct, but thats the general gist of it.
America then 'help' elect a new president... who grants them free access to the oilfields, but is a total extremist. Seems like Bush and Blairs only interest is in oil, no matter what the consequences :(

[TheSmokingMonkey]

The fear is overplayed and the odds of anything happening aren't any higher now than they have always been, it's only that we know about it now. It's still safer to take an airplane or a train than it is to drive your own car to work, so just get over it.

No offense, but a lot of people are scared over a whole lot of nothing.

It's mainly a propaganda assault designed to get us to underwrite the lining of the pockets of Halliburton and related ilk.

I'll support the troops but that's different than supporting the government and the corporate media.

Yes, you might be killed by terrorists. It's more likely that you will be killed by a heart attack or lighning strike or car crash with a drunk driver.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

www.venganza.org

I think the spaghetti monster created the universe.

[MegaOctane12]

Hi,
I don't really know much about this because I'm not the type of person to want to learn about this from the news and such. I show no interest in it because there's so much shit going on throughout the world revolving around the same kind of scenario. But I'm going to post my thoughts.
From what I've read on here, and from what I understand, overall I think it results to the government and their sly ways of conning money and people, I think they're rediculous.
Some of you English people will understand what this is about; people from other countries won't because I don't think you 'benefit' from this; benefit, yeah right.
My point is EMA; Education Maintenance Allowance. I'm just 17 years old and I do not recieve EMA. This is because their income boundary for EMA is £30,000 a year. My step dad is on £40,000 alone. My mum is on £15,000.
My first point is that it's my step dad on the high payroll, he is not my blood-relative. He is not going to give me any money, why should he? We live in a quarter mill house, I have 2 brothers, a baby brother and one at primary school. My mum's money is already spoken for right there, among debts and such. I recieve no income. But they don't seem to understand that.
How is EMA paid for? Taxes.
This is what bothers me the most, it's all abig con. My parents pay for peoples EMA through their taxes, but I don't recieve it because MY PARENTS, i mean.. My step dad is on a high payroll? Great. :confused:
Some of you will reply with telling me to get a part-time job. I have done, but it's difficult to goto college full time, then work part time, among sociailising, and such.
My point of the story is, the government are shit.

So many good posts in this thread its hard to pick one, so I'll just go for this.


Labour is a socialite party, its gradually been built up over the years from years of taking shit from the Conservative wing. Conservatives don't give a fuck about the working class, and this is where it gets interesting. Margret Thatcher wanted privatization, which effectively means that you pay for what you use in terms of services, and if you can't pay, you can't get. Now this is all good if you can work and earn your way through life, but there will always be a populace that regardless of the opportunitys that life throws at them, their own misfortunes, or their own bone idleness, they will always be at the bottom rung of the ladder, what happens to these people is they die off because of privatization.

Labour is a party which has effectively bonded and formed from the working man (Labour) over the years, they speak from predominately the left wing. Some of there core fundamentals are that we should all be on the same level, much like communism (also a left wing trait) and that people who succeed and achieve and fly high above the average, should have to pay for that success, through restrictions like higher taxes, which will be used, in turn, to support the people with less. Labour really cares little, or has forgotten about, the middle class, and this is where the majority of the native British people fall, they have been completely forgotten about under a Labour government.

Under Labour, if you have something but your struggling, you recieve nothing, if you have nothing, you recieve big phat benefits, and as for the Upper Class, they make their own way.

.......... We now have a left wing party with right wing characteristics. A party that started out promising work, good living to the working class has now turned into some really really fucked up capatilistic regimentation.

Americans are infact the total opposite, they are predominately right wing, they fuck the poor in the ass, and the rich are idolised, relished, treated as a protected species.


Terrorism has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a tool. Terrorism would happen regardless of whether religion is in the equation, as to the extent... its hard to tell. Relgion is a catalyst, people can use its universally 'good' message to do very 'bad thing's, so you really have to ask yourself whether its religion that kills people or people that kill people.

[Ivlatt]

So many good posts in this thread its hard to pick one, so I'll just go for this.


Labour is a socialite party, its gradually been built up over the years from years of taking shit from the Conservative wing. Conservatives don't give a fuck about the working class, and this is where it gets interesting. Margret Thatcher wanted privatization, which effectively means that you pay for what you use in terms of services, and if you can't pay, you can't get. Now this is all good if you can work and earn your way through life, but there will always be a populace that regardless of the opportunitys that life throws at them, their own misfortunes, or their own bone idleness, they will always be at the bottom rung of the ladder, what happens to these people is they die off because of privatization.

Labour is a party which has effectively bonded and formed from the working man (Labour) over the years, they speak from predominately the left wing. Some of there core fundamentals are that we should all be on the same level, much like communism (also a left wing trait) and that people who succeed and achieve and fly high above the average, should have to pay for that success, through restrictions like higher taxes, which will be used, in turn, to support the people with less. Labour really cares little, or has forgotten about, the middle class, and this is where the majority of the native British people fall, they have been completely forgotten about under a Labour government.

Under Labour, if you have something but your struggling, you recieve nothing, if you have nothing, you recieve big phat benefits, and as for the Upper Class, they make their own way.

.......... We now have a left wing party with right wing characteristics. A party that started out promising work, good living to the working class has now turned into some really really fucked up capatilistic regimentation.

Americans are infact the total opposite, they are predominately right wing, they fuck the poor in the ass, and the rich are idolised, relished, treated as a protected species.


Terrorism has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a tool. Terrorism would happen regardless of whether religion is in the equation, as to the extent... its hard to tell. Relgion is a catalyst, people can use its universally 'good' message to do very 'bad thing's, so you really have to ask yourself whether its religion that kills people or people that kill people.

Green taxes, What next?
:confused:

[chisme]

Chisme as much as I understand where you're coming from and respect your feelings about this situation we also have to look closer to home.
How many brit white folks do you know who collect the bins?
How many Brit white folk do you know are benefit scroungers? there are enough believe me.
How many Brit white folks do you know who are just plain fuckin' lazy ?
We are turning into a nation of scrounging yobs with no self respect.

I have worked for over 30 years and I recently injured my back , I found out just how the goverment values people like myself by the lack of proper treatment and the insulting amount of benefits I recieve for 3 decades of working and paying my taxes.

The goverment and the people need to get their act together IMO.



yeah true mate but at the end of the day id rather my money go to scroungers born here not people who aim to take advantage of our country from afar, and even so at the end of the day......


white scrounder = benefits of £30 every 2 weeks
born in outher country scrounder = benefits of up to £3500 every 2 weeks


justify that to me ,






edit: also thanks for actualy listening and reading what i had to say instead of just thinking i was a rambling racist

[MegaOctane12]

Green taxes, What next?
:confused:

Don't follow you..., green tax is just another stealth tax, although it helps the environment, how effective it is, is still questionable

[psychocat]

I believe we need to stop or at least slow down immigration to the UK, we also need to get rid of the criminals from abroad the minute they finish their sentence.

The welfare and NHS systems (including housing) also need to be reformed so that abuses by foreigners or even our own countrymen are reduced or even elliminated.

[chisme]

I believe we need to stop or at least slow down immigration to the UK, we also need to get rid of the criminals from abroad the minute they finish their sentence.

The welfare and NHS systems (including housing) also need to be reformed so that abuses by foreigners or even our own countrymen are reduced or even elliminated.

thaaank you:thumbsup:

[Ignatius]

The immigration issue should be at the top of the UK political agenda. Unfortunately the politicians are living in a cloud cuckoo land and won't see it until it's too late. Mass immigration with all of the attendant stress this places on housing, schools and the health service, means absolutely nothing to them. They live in a cossetted world where none of this affects them. Witness the endlessly snooty articles in the press about how the new Polish plumber is much better (and cheaper) than the lazy Englishman they used to employ. If you're anywhere near the bottom you simply don't count, and any fears you might hold are largely ignored or dismissed as "racist". Only today on the front page of The Daily Telegraph I read comments describing British students as lazy, and praising hard working Pakistanis. This from a woman who's spent her whole life lazing about on her fat arse incidentally. Life is getting tougher all the time in the UK, less jobs, less housing, less money to go round. The government's solution is to open the borders and invite Romanians and Bulgarians to come over in January and look for work.

Something has to give.

[psychocat]

An open door policy is only going to add fuel to an already inflamed populace sick of paying taxes and being expected to finance all the lost souls of the world.

[Tom Swierzbinski]

We need to stop sending money to these goddam, piss-poor run down countries in Africa. We need to stop fighting in that goddam illegal war over in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to stop taxing people for every goddam thing they own.
Once we do all that, Britain will actually have some money, and we will be able to sort schooling and the NHS out at long fucking last.
Christ the government pisses me off.