wanting to start a commercial grow, advice please!

[futuregrower]

I'm in college and have about 30k to my name and manage to put away about 800/month. I made a friend that has a house and not a lot of money....since she has 3 kids and makes 12$/hr. Since I need money and she lives paycheck to paycheck..i proposed the idea of a weed grow that could make more than our shitty jobs. Id like to start with 2000 watts...the thing is- i know losers that sell ounces, but no dealers that could drop $16000 on 2000 grams of weed or something. Where the hell can you find people that are real movers? I'm not the cops and i'm not really looking for connections online. I have the grow know-how but i need some knowledge of the business if i want to get this off the ground. I'm just stumped on where to go for connections.

[BOYZNUS]

DON'T INVITE YOUR FRIEND TO DO TIME WITH YOU.

STAY LEGAL, AND HAVE FUN.

HER KIDS DON'T NEED A FOSTER HOME.

AINR WORTH IT.

[gmoney5ss]

DON'T INVITE YOUR FRIEND TO DO TIME WITH YOU.

STAY LEGAL, AND HAVE FUN.

HER KIDS DON'T NEED A FOSTER HOME.

AINR WORTH IT.

i agree, if you dont have connections that have connections i dont know what to tell you other than i wouldnt go looking for them.. cause 1 you will prob run into a cop looking to make a bust on someone lookin to get rid of some weed, and 2 you will prob get robbed, and 3 if you have 30k saved up i suggest buying a house or something and using a spare room as a grow room..

good luck

[faithlessxxx]

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Yeah, a bit dodgy with kids in the picture. Otherwise, if I was desperate and wanted to do it anyway, I'd probably do a big harvest and bury or chuck away all the evidence, lamps, equipment somewhere, before starting to go through contacts looking to make a deal. And don't have anything at home at all, just in case you end up trying to deal with a cop.

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[futuregrower]

if i get the house and the enormous grow room, that doesnt take care of the problem of 0 connections.

[faithlessxxx]

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Well, if you have 0 connections, what are you gonna do...

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[futuregrower]

I figured I could work on contacts since i dont live in the potential grow house..and leave the wherabouts a mystery.

[faithlessxxx]

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And get followed to the house one day by a plain clothes.
I wouldn't have anything going if I was looking for contacts personally...

I'd have it all dug into the groúnd somewhere.
But thats me.

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[Tom Green Thumb]

If you produce excellent bone dry primo it is as good as money. The only thing is there is a real danger of being robbed or cheated. When people find out you don't have anyone backing you, your easy pickings. What are you going to do, call the cops?

I think your best bet if you are really wanting to play the game is to start selling. Buy yourself a pound or two of killer pot for a decent price and go from there. You can buy in bulk and probably under-cut all the little dealers in your area with that type of money. When people find out you have good stuff and are consistant you can start making connections. To have it consistantly is the main rule for success. Then you can start growing after you know what is going on and who is who.

It all sounds possible, but if you have not lived that type of lifestyle it is very hard to get into. Not to mention dangerous. I have lived this lifestyle for years and know many people so that I don't have many problems, but still I have been robbed three times already. Imagine not knowing anyone? Just my 2 cents.

TGT

[bejay]

even if you had connections and knew dealers that would by 3-4 lbs from you at once, dont think anyone is going to touch it at that price.

[emmpey]

I'm staggered that you think you would be doing that woman a favour. You're putting her, her family and her home at risk and on $12 an hour of course she may be tempted by your offer.

"Since I need money" - what!, are you playing the stock-market? You just said you had $30K.

Why not make her a gift of a few thousand bucks for Christmas if you feel sorry for her and take your own risks.

[futuregrower]

Thanks for the advice everyone. My friend in a city a couple hours away claims to know dealers with nice cars and shit- it's a well known university and university town that has a marijuana festival every year. I think getting to know them and using caution would be my best bet. If we don't tell anyone about the grow and only do a couple thousand watts, I don't see how we'd get busted during the grow. About the money- can you wipe your ass with 30 grand these days? my friend has 0 savings and is in her 40s....how the hell does someone survive during retirement without any financial plan? I think i need the money because..i'm uncertain about where the hell my MBA will take me after college. Also, i want a lot of cash up front so i can buy a condo and not owe every paycheck to paying it off. that's a great way to stay driving a shitty car and not going anywhere but florida for life.

[Toolfan33]

Sounds like they will love you in prison,just leave the kids out of it

[GanjaBaby]

If you live in Florida then you should spend a weekend in Gainesville! Big University, lots of stoners, and you shouldnt have too many problems finding "friends". But be careful, those cops will pull you over for a busted tail light and if they smell anything.... well i dont have to explain what happens next. I dealt for a year or two in the Daytona area and there are some dodgy people in that game, if your gut tell you not to trust them, dont. And you dont need thousands of watts to get a few kilos, one word... ScroG! But i would drag this woman and her kids into it. Good luck and be smart about this, if you have a big mouth you get caught quickly. Peace

[GanjaBaby]

Sorry, typo... i Wouldnt drag this woman into it... peace

[orangeman]

Omfg your lucky you get that much money, I wish I had it made like you :p.

[Tom Green Thumb]

You are not going to get rich quick growing unless you do a very large setup or multiple medium sized setups. 2 lights is going to net you $4000.00 every three month. Not even enough to pay the rent and the hydro. To make it worth your while you will need a perpetual setup that yeilds about 6 to 8 pounds every month and a half. Then your in business. The only time a small grow you will profit from is if you do it in your own house and your paying rent there already. Then all is just profit (minus the hydro). If it's not in your blood to go all out - don't bother. You really have to be a career criminal to do what you want.

TGT

[gmoney5ss]

I think if you have to look for connection, and you dont already have them from living your life, then your in the wrong buisness man.. honestly i have friends, hookups, conects all over from years of just livin the way i do.. many people will say the same thing and have already, if you arent familiar with this shit then its a bad time to learn.. everyone is out to get themselves nowdays and you have to be extremely careful dealing with the smallest dealer because everyone has a big mouth and what one person know eventually everyone knows.

if you have to get online to ask people how, where, what, when about drug dealin you need to just steer clear before u get yourself into somehting that you'll wish you hadnt.. take it from me and everyone else who has said somehting about this.. not a good idea, and think of the kids man.. its not any fun growing up without a mom.

[BlueBear]

I do think that you are being a little too thoughtless about your friend, when LIO steps in the picture and your a mother watching your kids being taken away no amount of money is worth it.
If you feel absolutely compelled to do this, then take about $10000 and by a beat up mobile home and turn that into your grow opp. and invest another $6K into your set up. with a 2K system you should beable to pull 2 two 3 LB every 2 months or so witch would be about 4 to 6K every 2 months.
It is a very bad IMO to get involved with her, she has too much to loos, let alone the business dynamics that are so hard to maintain in a normal situation let alone this kind of situation, you will be starting off taking an unnecessary risk right out of the gate when you can avoid it by doing your own op, don't even let her know.
Like someone else said, give her a gift of a couple thousand. If she doesn't have any savings and 3 kids still at home, she may be a poor decision maker judging by her baggage and you don't want to get caught up in any of it.
Or else, just take the money and invest in a 4 plex apartment building or a two plex , live in a unit, convert a bedroom into a small 1K set up and stack your chips and sale it when your done with college if it doesn't suit you.
Your going for a business degree? You should be up on your game partner, not trying to bust your ..., just trying to save you a headache down the road.
Adieu

[Dutch Pimp]

..learn to make money first....grow weed later...

[BlueBear]

Sorry, need to correct my self, "with a 2K system you should beable to pull 2 two 3 LB every 2 months or so witch would be about 4 to 6K every 2 months." It would be around 8 to 12K every 2 months with a veg room, but everything else I said still applies, meaning think long and hard before you take this step in your life, it's not like having a paper rout or something, or getting a membership at the local gym, it is a life style, a life change, ask any one around hear.
Adieu

[jamstigator]

Get a 400 watt light and grow a bit, but don't involve the mother and her children. That'll give you a chance to practice on a smaller scale, give you some bud to smoke, make a little on the side. Wait until you DO get a bigger/better connection before you jump into trying to grow larger quantities. It's not really THAT bad of a plan, as long as you keep children, and the mothers the children rely on, out of the picture, and as long as you can find someone to take that kind of quantity off your hands on a regular basis. As long as you only have to deal with one person, you can stay quite inconspicuous, as long as you're not stupid with the money. (You will need to launder it thoroughly to avoid the penetrating gaze of the tax authorities, and avoid buying things that your legitimate income would not allow you to afford.)

[budnums]

sounds like Weeds season 2 on Showtime.:)

[futuregrower]

i guess i'll put it off til after college and i move out. hopefully i can make decent money and just grow for personal use and not dream of making insane amounts of money growing weed. I dont think an all out grow house/trailer would be smart. There was a bust near where i live where 2 4000 sq ft houses were filled with plants and systems. I definitely don't want to go down that road. I grew outside before 11th grade and ended up having my dried bud stolen because i knew nothing about deals and walked into a situation where i was outnumbered and really couldn't do anything...lost my cell phone too. I know things can get a lot more f**ed up than that by far.

[BlueBear]

Sounds like a good choice.
Adieu

[Dutch Pimp]

..learn to make money first....grow weed later...

...smooth move...

[clipperman]

You're gonna get busted or robbed if you're not careful mate. If you don't have connections already and go around trying to make them, chances are you will contact filth and/or villains at some point.

If you really want to sell on a large scale try buying small amounts and become friendly with the small time dealers. When you find someone you think you can trust (i hope you are a good judge of character), try getting intros to their suppliers and gradually work your way up. Just be subtle and don't try to fuck anyone over- remember you are dealing with criminals- its easier to rob you and take all your weed rather than buy it and sell it on.

[ticoblunts]

Listen i think your best bet would be to delete all record of youbeing on this forum....Anyone can read these forums even people who are not signed up...FBI LOCAL Cops you never know man....the majority of people on here are to the head growers but I am possitive BIG brother is watching and waiting for someone to slip up...just be carefull brother !!!

[futuregrower]

the feds can put a real name to my posts?

[Anathema2121]

the feds can put a real name to my posts?

Not unless you give away identifying information. I'm pretty sure where these servers are located the feds are unable to subpeona them for IP logs. Never can be too careful though man.

[gmoney5ss]

Not unless you give away identifying information. I'm pretty sure where these servers are located the feds are unable to subpeona them for IP logs. Never can be too careful though man.

if that were the case we would all be in jail for some dumb reason or another, i think they need some kind of reason to have your information legally.. im sure they watch, but let the small stuff go because they pretty much go after big fish.. this thread though has retard written all over it.

[ticoblunts]

yeah well Ive always said Out of Site Out of Mind!! I dont wanna be on no law enforcment officers mind as a potential comercial grower!!

[rdyoyo2000]

thats why u dont deal to shady people and people u dont know. That and never do a deal over 1k without a gun. By the way if u do it long anuff u get cought and everone who says they wont roll on u will.

[emmpey]

never do a deal over 1k without a gun

Geez, this is turning heavy. Regarding LEO - any of you guys heard of 'Echelon'? It's a massive electronic eaves-dropping program that's been around for a while (like years and years) and is not restricted to the US. It is used primarily for defence and business communications but with the US government pumping more and more bucks into electronic surveillence who knows what they do now.

If you wanna stay safe on the web either use >256bit encryption, use one of the anonymous IP address services or simply don't post anything that can be used against you (e.g. "a friend of mine who grows...").

You should assume that you can be traced. And as someone pointed out, they are not interested in small fry (yet). I do wonder what all those FEMA camps will be used for, they can hold many thousands of people - maybe one day there will be a huge roundup of pot growers :)

"Just because I'm paranoid don't mean they're not out to get me"

[ninfan77]

If i were you, i'd start a small grow first. In the meantime get friendly w/ the local guys. For a while.

And btw, 2000g = 4.5lb roughly.. no way someone is paying 16,000 for that. Most dealers would probably pay you 8-10k tops.

[faithlessxxx]

Out of Site Out of Mind!!

Indeed. Anyway, just planning to commit a felony, as you're doing here, may be cause for a judge to subpeona your IP.

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[jamstigator]

Oh, I dunno about that. Guess it depends on your area. I get $200/ounce for good stuff, when I let a dealer friend have any, and he always wants as much as I will let him get at that price. No discounts for quantity, and he's cool with that too. In fact, I offered it to him at $150/ounce and he wouldn't do it, he insisted on $200, thought that was more fair to me. Sooo....$3200 per pound x 4.5 = $14,400, pretty close. I doubt my friend would be able to get it all at once, if I ever had that much (which I probably never will), but he'd get it all eventually, at a pound a week or whatever. Last time I dropped off a QP for him, he had it all sold within two hours.

[stinkyattic]

Hey futuregrower, here's my advice:

Step 1: Take that money and save/invest it.

Step 2: Get good grades, get an awesome job that pays good $ after college, and make sure that whatever field you're in is PORTABLE. So what I mean is, you don't get stuck having to live in a city to make your money. So think about acedemia, since jobs at universities pay decent with fantastic benefits, and SO MANY big schools are in agricultural areas... see where I'm going with this? Your job is your legitimacy. If you make a lot of money, the IRS will think you just have that good job and know how to be frugal to afford that $300,000 mortgage.

Step 3: By the time you're out of school and in the workforce, that $30,000 becomes the down payment on your dream house. Get a realtor and start looking for a place that's PRIVATE, has a GARAGE, and a DRY BASEMENT!!!!! Alternative energy like solar panels wouln't hurt either.

Step 4: Start small. Grow your little garden slowly into a bigger garden, sell half-ounces to your close friends for cheap, and WAIT. Eventually smoething will fall into your lap. Seriously.

This is EXACTLY what I did. And it only took about a year and a half for that 'something' to show itself! I met my most important connection on a kayaking trip!

Hint: Yuppies have lots of cash and enjoy the finer things in life... ski resorts, canoe races, mountain bike events, microbrew festivals... just get involved in that whole adult-professional-outdoor activity crowd.

Hint #2: Those people are probably NOT going to rob you! :D

Start small, be smart, best of luck to you.

[BlueBear]

Miss Stinky you continue to impress me. Perhaps I will have to make you a character in a novel down the rode. LOL
Then I would have to meet you in person to be able to do a complete character study and not to minttion, taist some of your fine erbs.
Adieu 4 now, LOL

[futuregrower]

Thanks for the advice stinky, that's pretty much my plan. I won't have the buying power right away because I'm relocating to miami suburbs after grad school, where houses are very unreasonably priced. It looks like for the first year i'd have to do stealth in a small condo while concentrating on my career.

[Deejay2163]

now it sounds like you're thinking along the right lines.remember that you are only in this life for a finite number of days and every day spent wasted behind bars for being stupid is a day that you can never get back and will always regret.