First time Grow room White Widow

[mcmikee420]

Hello All
First Let me say that this Forum has been the most helpful tool Ive ever come across in the year or so Ive been reading up on growing. I happened to come in to five White Widow clones and had no where to put them so they stayed outside for about four weeks with no nutes just in big pots. Built the room and checked for bugs and all was good, so I brought the plants in and they seem to be doing really good for the rough childhood they had. Problem is I think I overfed them too soon after bringing them inside. I am posting pics of what I am seeing hoping that someone will be able to verify if this is the problem and any possible solutions. Thanks for any help its really appreciated!!!!

[KHAN]

Yeah dude most definately nute burn there. You'll want to flush it with just water for a couple of days then cut whatever nutes you were putting in there by 50% and see how they like that.

G'luck.

[mcmikee420]

Thanks a lot for the reply You did just what I needed and verified the problem. I have been flushing for water for about a week and a half and it stopped the problem but I dont think those leaves are going to come back. How did you think my plants are looking? I know the pics arent the greatest they were on my phone, but I am just worried that Im not doin something right. Oh by the way that was a Kick ass thread you had gion there for your first NFT system man I read that thing in about 20minutes and then read it again NICE GROW man!! I learned a lot from your thread and after seeing your progress and looking at my plants I think they should be bigger. Any help would be appreciated greatly from Anyone willing to post!!!

[mcmikee420]

heres a few better pics of my plants as of now which is somewhere around 4weeks flowering. They were outside for a while and it was late in the season so they flowered somewhat early. Any tips suggestions or feedback is really appreciated from anyone Im trying to do this right and learn as I go.

[Pass That Shit]

With all the hype about all the fertilizers it's very easy to over feed them. The truth is that they are fed very little. A couple of weeks of non feeding and then a couple of weeks and your into flowering. It's knowing what and when to feed them. I started flowering my White Widows 2 days ago and you can follow my thread "White Widow Pic" as I grow along. You can tell that you over fed them cause even your smallest leaves show signs of it. Happy Toking :)

[mcmikee420]

Does anyone have any idea why the smaller plant seems so tiny? unfortunately that is the plant that seems to have the best looking fattest buds on it so far. Any help or suggestions for my grow would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone!!

[invision]

how are you mixing those nutes and do you PH test your water adding nutes throws the PH down and depending how much nutes can drop it a point on the chart.

even the most simple tab ph tester works its really a must i didnt see you saying you had one, also what lights are you flowing under?

what i would do is stop trying to flush her overwatering is very hard to come back from so let her dry out even a little leaf droop is ok and add 1/4 of whatever nutes your using and shake it up real good and let it sit for 10min and use give her a real good soaking and watch what she does

[mcmikee420]

I am growing in a 4.5ftx3.5ft closet with a 9ft ceiling. I got an idea from another post so my room has a shelf going across the back of it with five short clones about 7-10 inches when i put them in the flower room just to grow a few nice fat colas. I have the walls lined with foylon which is supposed to be better than mylar (def. more pricey lol) and I have a 1000cfm exhaust fan keeping my room around 80 during light cycle and 70 or so during the night on 12/12. I am running a 1000w HPS with the ballast outside the room and an ocilating fan blowing towards the light. I bought a lil starter kit from BC Grow that has boost, grow, and bloom nutes and a couple other supplements. I also have a question about feeding. It seems dumb but should I be checking the PH of my feeding solution? I burned my plants by overfeeding right off the bat but they seem to be doing much better now I have cut back to about 1/8 of the strength of nutes after using just ph'd water for about two weeks. Thanks for the help and hopefully someday Ill be able to help you out with a question/problem lol.

Mike

[TheGreenFog]

Very nice so far. You will get those pesky nute problems under control. Please get a new digital camera so we can see your girls in their full glory. Thank you. :)


TGFog

[mcmikee420]

haha yeah I know, funds are kinda tight my girl took off about a month ago and left me with a house and two dogs to care for so I decided to grow to fill my time with. Im gonna borrow my buddys digital cam for the time being and as soon as I havem Ill get some decent pics up. The plants seemed to have hit a growth spurt over the past two days, lots of new bud growth and theyre swelling and stinking more every day. Thanks for the reply ill keep putting up pics.

[TheGreenFog]

Awesome. Can't wait to see the new growth. I'll be posting a grow log starting tomorrow sometime hopefully. Go vote on my poll please. THX.
:dance:
TGF

[mcmikee420]

lol already done!!

[mike024]

Ok everyone I went out last night and picked up a decent digi cam at walmart so here is what my setup/plants really look like. Youll notice in one of the pics a seriously stretched out plant. It was started in my freinds window sill during veg then was donated to my room. Anyone know why its so damn tall? Im in about week 5 of flowering right now and yes getting very impatient how much longer do you think theyre gon be? Oh and to avoid any confusion, I had to change my username so you all know its the same guy. Any help or feedback is more than welcome I really want to get some good insight on my first grow so my second is 10x better. Thanks to everyone on this site for all the help!!

[invision]

i dont get it your juicing a 1000watts and your plants are not responding to it well your pots seem more then enough room, i have to ask how far is your light from the very top of the tallest plant?

a good trick is place your hand palm down under the bulb and move your hand towards the bulb until your hand is comfortable under it as close as you can get it with buring now put your plants that close to the light cause if i didnt burn you it wont burn them.

what ratio is your flower nute? (10-15-10)

how do you test the soil for dryness?

[Pass That Shit]

Invision is right on with hand method to figure out how high the light should hang :thumbsup:

I direct my fan to blow all the heat under the light away so it doesn't hit the plants. This allows me to keep the light close with the temps under 80 :thumbsup:

[Pass That Shit]

AWESOME ROOM!!!

Did you change your screen name?

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Mike. Looking good. I like your space. Looks like you got lots of room. That's awesome. 1000 watts is awesome too. Your plants look ok. You've gotten some pretty good advice from others here already like Invision and others. I'll keep up with ya.

Glad you got a new camera! Be patient. I know it's killing you but you are already so far along. Go buy a bag of some dankness and wait it out.

Be cool.

TGF

:smokin:

[TheGreenFog]

Oh and to avoid any confusion, I had to change my username so you all know its the same guy.



Pass That Shit...come on, man. You called me TheGreenFROG and now this? Either get a pair of glasses or just start paying more attention. :cursing:

Just kidding. It's all good!

But no seriously, Mike, can you tell us why you had to change your screenname?


TGF

[mike024]

Thanks for all the replies you guys are a great help. Lemme go thru all the questions in the order of appearance. I just took a measurement and the light is 24 inches away from the tallest plant right now. I think youve helped me identify a big problem. The light needs to be closer. I put in a few more pics of my ventilation in the room. The temp seems to stay steady around 85 even with all that airflow I dont get it. I think I may need to put a fan in my intake to pump some fresh air in the room. As far as my flowering nutes LOL I dont know exactly. I burned them by overfeeding right off the bat ( typical rookie mistake) So Ive been using about 1/2 strength once a week of this starter kit called BC Boost, Grow, and Bloom. Theres some pics of that too.

As far as testing the soil for moisture I am going by how heavy the pot is when I check the plants, if its light I water if not I dont. Im actually headed out to my grow store now for a moisture reader. I hear theyre pretty cheap.

I also have my fan blowing right on my light and when I just did the hand test I found that I can have my light about 12-15 inches away instead of the 24 I was told before. I just cant figure out why its so damn hot in there 85-90 some days but my RH is right at 50-60% consistantly.

As for me changing my screen name two reasons. I created the other name with my old email on accident and couldnt change it and that screen name I use for alot of other stuff and the last thing I want is someone putting 2+2 together and figuring out who I am. Again thanks for all the help and encouragement with this and Let me know any other suggestions for getting the temp in my room down to a steady 75-80.

LOLOL oh and PassThatShit Please try to spell TheGreenFog's name right He seems to be getting quite annoyed and I would hate to lose his or your input due to a Forum fight. LOLOLOL Im just kidding you guys are the best!!! Oh and PassThatShit your grow is looking incredible!!

[postmandave]

hi mike one of the causes for ther high temp will be your fan blowing on the bulb then despersing more heat around your space.try and get your exaust drawing the hot air away from the bulb and out of your box you should then see a drop in the temp. nice set up and watch those babys go in the last 2 weeks white widow puts most of her bud size on in the last few weeks nice set up . be safe the postamn

[invision]

dude watch those bad boys put on wieght now that the light is right where it should be give them 2 days and watch the diffrence :thumbsup:

oh and center your light to the middle of the room so all girls get even light and rotate your pots daily

[Weed4Life]

Heres a suggestion by me;
Heat problems like your having could be caused by not venting that heat from you bulb anywhere but in your grow room. I know heat rises and I notice you have an exhaust, perfect. How about this: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=59042
In short, I, would cut a hole for a seperate exhaust, that way you can pull that heat from the bulb straight out your new exhaust. I, would probably have a fan on the other side of the cool tube where I would attach my exhaust ducting, which leads to the new hole you cut.
I will be needing to do the same on my next grow. My heat was high, but tit was only a 400w hps, and 150w hps. Sometimes it would be around 91 deg. and I had a fan acroos buld blowing the heat in my closet, my exhaust vent was having the door opent during light time. That B.C. starter kit was what I was thinking of going next round, and nute burn sucks! Been there, now I know to gradually increase nutes. People have posted that they use more flower nutes than Grow nutes. Just watch for signs of hunger from the plant and feed when you she um slouching or whatever. Flush'em good before changing nutes. I learned alot my first grow. She was hurting everyday.Peace dude.

[Weed4Life]

I will be needing to do the same on my next grow. My heat was high, but tit was only a 400w hps, and 150w hps. Sometimes it would be around 91 deg. and I had a fan blowing the heat my bulb and into my closet, my exhaust vent, was having the closet door open during light time.
That B.C. starter kit was what I was thinking of going next round, and nute burn sucks! Been there, now I know to gradually increase nutes. People have posted that they use more flower nutes than Grow nutes.
Just watch for signs of hunger from the plant and feed when you see them slouching or looking Hungry. Flush'em good before changing nutes. I learned alot on my first grow. My plant was hurting everyday because of uncorrectable acidic levels in the soil.
Peace dude........

End Transmission....:cool:

[Pass That Shit]

It's all good. Glad to hear they are doing better :thumbsup:

FYI, I haven't got TheGreenFog wrong since he corrected me :dance:

I was stoned and overlooked that comment :stoned:
How many people change screen names in the middle of their first grow thread? LOL

I'm here to learn, grow and help out like the rest of you :thumbsup:

[mike024]

LOL yeah Its def. not a good idea to change my screen name in the middle of the grow but security is #1 for me right now.

Wait what the fuck am I doing? I say security is #1 then I go and post pictures of a grow on the internet? What a dumbass oh well. And yeah I had to fuc wit you bout his name I thought it was kinda funny lol

PassThatShit Ive learned alot just from you being kind enough to post replies here for me and from your grow, Im starting to get a nice fuzzy feeling inside from everyone helping me out here.lol just kidding but seriously keep the feedback coming and Ill be sure to keep up on your grow as well. Peace

[mike024]

Ok I got home replied to all the nice people that talked to me and made some adjustments to the room, oddly enough I lowered my light so its about 15 inches from my babies and within ten minutes the temperature dropped to about 80 degrees in the room. I didnt know I was supposed to rearrange the plants when I check on them so I moved them around a bit too. I posted a pic that shows my exhaust fan up in the top right corner of the room (heat rises) and that fan exhausts right up to my attic where the air can sit and get old then leave the house without any smell. I am confused about one thing you said tho Postmandave beleive me I have seen your posts and def. trust your judgement, you said the high temp in the room is because I have my fan blowing directly on the bulb? Basically I have it so the 12inch fan on my floor blows right on my light which in my mind I thought it would blow the hot air right up to the exhaust fan and out of the room. Is this not the case? Any more specific suggestions on how to ventilate the heat booming off that light? When Im back on my feet financially Im going to invest in a reflector that is enclosed and im thinking I can just use flex ducting going from the "out" side of the light and just mount it so it is right in front of my big exhaust fan. This sound like a good idea? Basically you can see in my pics how my small ocsilating fan is setup, should I move it and if so where should I move it to? Thanks for all the help you guys are great.

[mike024]

Oh yeah not only am I going to put vent tubing going to that big exhaust fan Im going to pick up a small squirrel fan to attach to the reflector that will push cool air onto the light and the hot air out the other side. Only problem is that is about a $150 job and I can barely afford to feed my poor dogs right now but as soon as possible Ill be investing in that.

[mike024]

Ok so I checked on my veg box a few minutes ago and It seems as if I have spider mites the leaves are showing little spots on the tops of them and when I look at the bottom of the leaves Im seeing little brown specks. When I wipe the specks off they smear like they are spider mites. What can I do to get rid of them and prevent them from any further damage? should I hold off on transferring any more plants from my veg to the flowering room? Damn it the last thing I wanted was fn spider mites. HHHeeeelllppp!!!

[mike024]

Also forgot to post the pix from my earlier post. Im a mess today lol

[invision]

well my grow went south on me my fucking PH meter was broke or something and i dont think i can fix her in time(3 weeks left) so im going to hang out in your thread till your done make sure you keep updating so i can jump in and help you out if you need it :)

[mike024]

aw bro im sorry to hear about your ph problem what happened? what kind of damage did your plants endure? I left a post on your thread of a decent ph tester on ebay. My only problem at the moment is my veg box has spidermites in it and the bug strips that usually work arent doing the trick im afraid im gon have to use some neem oil but once I get rid of them Im moving my veg box upstairs into a more stable climate. were you able to salvage anything from your plants? Dude they looked so good I really feel bad you had problems but thats the best part about plants you can always grow more!!!

[invision]

my plant started to yellow and crisp out of no where...well i wasnt home to catch it happen i was camping but all of the lower leaves pretty much fell off and the tops are still green but starting to change color and since i didnt add over 1/4 nute mix i knew it wasnt that she took nutes no problem everytime before.

im not chopping her yet ill wait until she looks really bad if i was to guess i think there is about a ounce of herb on her which will last me a month so not too bad and the herb i buy is really good and cheap(40.00 1/4oz).

[TheGreenFog]

:eek: Hey, Mike. How are your plants doing? did you take care of the mites??? Ladybugs are good for them too. I hope you killed them suckers!

TGF

[mike024]

Hey TheGreenFog and invision nice to see your still checking up on me. Moving my light has made an amazing improvement to the plants look and growth. I have one that grew almost an inch in two days and the buds are def. beefing up. The mite problem......I dont know I bought three more of the hot shots no pest strips which almost everyone I talk to praises it. I also picked up a bottle of "insecticidal wash" that is basically certain fats and salts that say they kill insects on contact but do not harm plants in the least and can be used up to three days before harvest on edible plants. I used it on one plant to see if it hurts the plant and if not im spraying all plants and letting it sit for a day then moving the whole veg box (4x4x4) up to the same floor as the flowering room. That will make my life a lot easier too and provide a more "bug free zone". I also experimented with LST'ing one of my plants and it worked good so I did a second one and I have a total of three ready to join the flowering room once Im sure theyre bug free. The last thing I want is those damn mites infecting my flowering room too. I have to clean my veg box thoroughly before I put my plants back in it after I move it so its gotta be timed just right. What a pain these mites are!!!! They got me stressin hard. OH well

[mike024]

Ps thanks for sticking with this thread I promise Ill have some more pics up tommorow!!!

[invision]

glad she is finally making good changes for you and ill tell you now you will hate yourself if you put that veg cab or plants in the flower room id wait until you see no more mites then bomb again 2 weeks into flower to make sure the bastards are gone spidermites are very hardy and very hard to rid of.

[mike024]

hey guys got home and checked the veg box and well shit I dont know how to tell if theres any more or less mites!!! You guys think I should take like a sponge or somethin and wipe the bottoms of the plants off after I sprayed them with that insecticidal soap? I sprayed the rest of the plants seeing as how the first two showed no sign of stress Im out of town til sunday so when I get back will be the test i guess. If all is good I move the box if not,.......I BURN IT lol nah. I still cant beleive how much of a difference just three days of that light being lower has made the flower room is lookin awesome even the little clones I put on the shelf toward the back have doubled in size. Ill try to put up some pics later. Hey GreenFog you still out there somewhere?

[mike024]

Heres some pix from 2nite they are def. responding to the light much better now but one of them is showing yellowing on lower fan leafs looks like more nute burn. Ive been feeding my little clones in the back too and no signs of burn at all. I think it may just be because these five were the ones that veg'd outside. Any input/suggestions would help a lot at this point. Thanks again everyone!!

[invision]

take a plant out the closet and use this chart

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm

[Pass That Shit]

Your plants are looking good. I wouldn't concern myself too much with some yellow leaves down below. I just plucked a bunch of green healthy leaves off my girls. Looking forward to seeing some updated pics.

[mike024]

Heres some pics of the room tonight I got home looked and saw some nice buds starting to form on my clones that I started about two weeks ago. No more spider mites and Im now trying to learn to clone. I used some organic plugs and some rockwool cubes, rockwool is dead but the two plugs I tried actually are showing growth. Lemme know what you think of the pics.

[faithlessxxx]

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I had huge heat probs and the final clincher was fitting a piece of 3mm plexiglass a few inches under the lamp, effectively dividing the room into two compartments, with a pipe to the exhaust in the above section where the lamp is.

I checked up on plexiglass light transmission propertiesd and it allows 97% through, even more than glass.

I dropped about 8C and have been smiling ever since.

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[mike024]

bump

[TheGreenFog]

Well, it's hard to see the color with the HPS glow. Overall they look nice. Looks a little droopy and maybe a little too high on the nutes. I have to go back and see what nutes you are using and at what %. Otherwise, they look very nice. I really like your space. Nice and....spacious. ;) You buds look nice and fat. Good job, Mikey.

TGF

Edit: Sorry I haven't been around your thread the last week or so. I've been very busy with work and also very busy posting the hundreds of pics on my thread. I'll be keeping up with it the next few days tho... :D

[TheGreenFog]

Well, I went back up and read some more. Looks like you are using BC ferts. Those are good. Just dunno what % you are using. IMO, I would never use 100% nutes unless I trained my plants to accept them, which takes "stepping-up." I always hypothetically use 80% or less. And that is after working my way up from 25%, 50% and 75%. I am also using rockwool. You are using soil, right? Soil has it's own "nutrients" so adding more, at a higher %, can easily burn the plants.

Oh, and I forgot to ask, Are you sure you are not overwatering? (Due to the droopiness of the plants)

[invision]

his soil looks dry maybe they need water?

i see what looks like the start of nute burn too on the leaves but maybe this is old burns?

[mike024]

Hey guys thanks for checkin in on me Ive been pretty busy myself. I burned my plants about a month ago once I first put them in the room and they havent seemed to get a lot worse but they have had a rough life. The clones that I have on the shelf in the back are doing pretty good and I have been slowly introducing nutes to them, they seem to love it. Tonight I gave them a feeding and what I did was mixed a half gallon with about 50% nutes then mixed some ph'd water with it to dilute it a lil more. Im hoping that they start to shoot up I was out of town for three days and when I came back they looked like they grew two inches. Ill put up some more pics in a couple days Im expecting them to shoot up a bit since I fed them tonight. Been watching your thread green fog and your setup is pretty sweet too. You got any suggestions on cloning? I tried six the other day and it aint lookin too good for them at this point. Lemme know and thanks for the input. Ive been watering when the pots feel light when I pick them up and they seem to like it, when I took these pics they hadnt been watered in two days thats why they look dry. Thanks again for stoppin by!!