future telling dreams

[zero2104]

okay, like a couple of days ago i had a dream were me and my freind got caught with weed and shit,

and yesterday me and my friend got caught at school high and we got in trouble

u guys beleive in dreams telling future? or is it a coincidence?

[Hamlet]

You have anxiety about getting caught with weed and shit because it's a strong possibility you could get caught with weed and shit; so..you dream about getting caught with weed and shit. It's no great miracle that soon you get caught with weed and shit!

If you really can dream the future though, I have a few stocks for you to dream some closing prices for me. We'll get really rich! I think dreams are emotional, not rational. ...brainvomit.

[Oneironaut]

Sorry, but the idea of getting information about the future violates Einsteinian relativity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone
Seeing how well-proven the theory of relativity is, it's going to take some extraordinary evidence to convince me that you can get information from the future.

There are many materialistic explanations for how you could have a dream about something and have it happen to you shortly thereafter. First of all it could just be pure coincidence. Or, as Hamlet suggested, it could be that you had some pre-existing anxiety about getting caught which caused both the dream and the incident. Or perhaps the dream caused you to become anxious about it, which made it more likely to happen.

In any case, it seems highly unlikely that dreams would be a way to learn about the future. How do you know what dreams are going to happen and which ones aren't? Clearly the vast majority of dreams do not have anything to say about the future. Last week I had a dream that I had sex with Queen Isabela of fifteenth-century Spain at work. I don't anticipate that happening anytime soon. I also had a dream that I was on board a futuristic spaceship and had sex with the future space girls. Doesn't seem very likely.

What would be surprising is if people never dreamed about events that would come up in the future. With billions of people having several dreams every night, through sheer chance there will be a lot of dreams that eerily correlate with events that happen in the dreamer's future. Especially if there is something in the dreamer's mind which might be able to predict that such an event is likely, or if the dreamer is inspired by the dream to do things which cause the event to happen (i.e. a self-fulfilling prophecy).

[Oneironaut]

One of my friends told me about this dream he had, where he remembers thinking in the dream "if I see this again, then I will know I have seen the future." A few months later, he saw the exact same situation he had seen in his dream.
Wow, I am totally convinced. Thank you for providing the irrefutable concrete evidence that Einsteinian relativity is incorrect, that information can actually travel backwards in time, and that our dreams can predict the future through some mysterious unknown force. I guess I really will screw Queen Isabela at work.

Seriously though, do you just believe every crazy idea you're told? Because if you mail me $500 I can give you superpowers.

[Hamlet]

"occasionly i have dreams just about little obscure things that make no sense at all then a couple days later it will happen but theres no significance to the situation at all like no anxiety about it becasue the situation means nothing"

I've never had a dream like that, but I have had amazing bits of syncronicity. I suppose they are just coincidence but sometimes they're enough to make you wonder. Like an example I read where a guy is driving down the road and the radio is playing that old jim croche song 'Meaner than a Junkyard Dog". (just a verse in it) He goes around the corner and there's a junkyard with 'home of the junkyard dog' on the sign. Then he drives home and there's a scroungy old pitbull in my yard. "Okay, the theme for today is junkyard dogs? What's up with that?"
Or I'm thinking about a quote by Spock from an old Star Trek episode. I turn on the TV and there's that episode playing right at the place where Spock is delivering that quote. I do it all the time with the radio. Singing a song in my head, kick on the radio and that's what is playing.

Then again, there's never any meaning I can associate to them. No significance behind it like rikkitikki said. It is funny though that they seem to come in groups at certain times. I always wondered if Jung was on to something with his syncronicity theories. I've always meant to study some of his work but he talks over my head in what little I've read.

Still, probably just statistical coincidence, but it's one of the very few things in the realm of the almost mystical that I've actually seen for myself, and can puzzle over without having to buy into some far out story from a very questionable source.

[FunkyMonkey]

Premonition dreams are real.
I have experienced and experimented with them since I was a small child. I know them to be true. I do not rely on anyones theory to affirm or disprove things when I have my own experiences to prove it for me.
My experiments involved specifics and other peole to verify them, journalling and other tools. I concluded long ago that they are part of my reality.
Do not doubt someone elses truth based on your own expeiences or the lack of understanding of others, or einsteins theories.
Oneironaut is intelligent and insightful but can be an arrogant ass at times, he is the first to admit it.
Dont let his position and comments sway you from exploring this more.


peace.

[Hamlet]

"Do not doubt someone elses truth based on your own expeiences or the lack of understanding of others, or einsteins theories."

You were doing great until you got to that sentence. Always doubt someone else's truth. Doubt everything! There are people out there who will bullshit you until your ears fall off if you're gullible enough. Experience and wisdom will usually tell you the difference between good info. and bad. Swallow the wrong line of bullshit and the next thing you know you're drinking Hale Bopp Koolade.

I'm very skeptical about prophetic dreams. Not because of Einstein but because I've never had one myself and because I've never known one person to say 'wow, I dreamed I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow' etc. and have it happen.

I have, personally, experienced a couple of things such as the syncronicities mentioned earlier, that I'm going to leave the verdict out on...just because I've seen it with my own eyes. Even so, I'm still willing to consider the most rational explanation and accept the truth, even if it robs it of all it's fun and mystery. That goes both ways too though. If someone were able to nail down prophesy after prophesy, or demonstrate supernormal abilities to my satisfaction, I would be perfectly willing to change my position. It all comes down to my personal experience...but I'm willing to scrutinize my personal experience and question myself. The last person I want to bullshit is myself.

[FAllout]

Ive had that happen.

Dream slike that feel difrent thats how I tell wich ones will happen in real life.
It only happned a few times and was pretty mundane stuff but it was things I could not see coming in every day life.

[FunkyMonkey]

"Do not doubt someone elses truth based on your own expeiences or the lack of understanding of others, or einsteins theories."

You were doing great until you got to that sentence. Always doubt someone else's truth. Doubt everything! There are people out there who will bullshit you until your ears fall off if you're gullible enough. .....

I think you misunderstood what I meant by that quote.
What I was saying was that you cannot impose your beliefs upon someone else based upon your own experiences.
Just because you may not have experienced something does not mean that nobody else has experienced it either and that it is unreal.
If someone has an experience and tells me about it I do not filter it through my own experiences and discount it as false if I have not had a similar one myself.
If we toss away everything new that is presented to us we would never learn a damn thing. We would still all be shitting our pants and crying for mommies breast. :)
Seriously, what is the point of conversation if we immediately assume everyone is full of lies and trying to take advantage of us in some way?

peace.

[Oneironaut]

I'm not imposing my beliefs on you, I'm just expressing my beliefs. And my belief is that belief in the supernatural is not warranted without overwhelming evidence, which I have not seen. Therefore my hunch is that you are either delusional, misguided, or misinformed, and have not really seen the future.

I have heard many professional psychics who predict major world events to happen, which without exception occur with a low rate of success, except for obvious things anybody could have guessed (I predict turmoil in the Middle East, and hurricanes in the Caribbean...), and yet millions of people believe these psychics are legit! I don't know what drives psychics to predict these kinds of things that turn out to not happen. Maybe they're deliberately lying, maybe they really think they can envision the future, but whatever is going on, there is no real solid evidence that anybody has the power to forsee the future.

It violates the known laws of physics, and like it or not, our universe is governed by the laws of physics. There's no way you can go faster than the speed of light, no way you can fly by flapping your arms, and no way you can fortell the future. I think we should all just accept it and move onto things that have to do with reality.

[ThePurpleMan]

ive seen some crazy shit in my dreams and not been able to figure it out and then like 3 years later i will be in the situation and realize it.. scary as fuck

[Hamlet]

"I think you misunderstood what I meant by that quote.
What I was saying was that you cannot impose your beliefs upon someone else based upon your own experiences. "

I kinda had a feeling that's what you meant. But the topic is something of a touchy situation, especially for me. Actually I've always been completely facinated with the paranormal, and anything to do with it perks up my ears. But time after time whenever I apply real scrutiny to the situation or event, there's always a lot of holes in the real facts, or there's a conman behind it trying to pull a fast one.

You see people being taken in and ripped off, or literally dieing because someone has sold them a line of bull. Just turn on the TV and watch John Edwards work a crowd of amazed believers as he cons them from a very personal and sensitive advantage point--the loss of someone they loved. To me that is one of the most obscenely unethical acts someone could commit.

History and events have proven its very dangerous to let your guard down where mysticism is concerned. So I'm quick to throw up the caution flags when I hear someone overly willing to accept the supernatural without question.

Still, I'm all ears myself and am always looking for that one shred of real evidence that something unknown could be at work. :)

[Oneironaut]

http://skepdic.com/dreams.html

The prophetic or clairvoyant dream is perhaps the strongest reason for believing that dreaming is a gateway to another world. Some dreams seem uncanny. They seem to foretell events. If a significant number of dreams of just a single person corresponded to future events, this would be a great benefit to humankind and we should try to find out what mechanism is at work here. However, no such person has yet been found. Individual dreams that occasionally seem clairvoyant provide very weak evidence for clairvoyant dreams. I once had a very vivid dream of an airplane crashing nose first in San Diego (where I lived for 20 years). About ten years after the dream an airliner went down in San Diego. Am I clairvoyant? Would the case be stronger for clairvoyance if the airliner went down the day after I had my dream? I don't think so.

While it is admitted by most parapsychologists that some amount of coincidence is to be expected between what a person dreams and what actually happens, it is argued that there are too many cases of seemingly prophetic dreams to reasonably explain them all away as due to coincidence. It is true that not all prophetic dreams can be explained away as being due to coincidence. Most of them probably should be so understood, but many of them may be explained away as due to filling in memories of dreams after the facts and many others should be explained away as cases of lying. But the vast majority of prophetic dreams are probably coincidences. Such dreams are impressive to those who lack understanding of the law of truly large numbers (http://skepdic.com/lawofnumbers.html), confirmation bias (http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html), and how memory (http://skepdic.com/memory.html) works. If the odds are a million to one that any given dream is truly prophetic, then, given the number of people on earth and the average number of dreams people have during each sleep period (250 dream themes a night, according to Hines, p. 50), we should expect that every single day of our lives there will be more than 1.5 million dreams that seem clairvoyant. That is not including all the dreams had by cats, dogs and other animals, who may well be having apparently psychic experiences while they sleep, though to what purpose we can only guess. Furthermore, one would think that if dreaming were a gateway to the paranormal or supernatural, blind persons would not have their dream time restricted by their physical limitations any more than those with sight. Yet, people blind from birth do not have visual dreams.

[Oneironaut]

I'm not saying you have to believe like I do. I'm saying I think you should, because I happen to think my opinion is correct (that's what makes it my opinion after all).

[ate]

The future hasn't manifested yet so it lies within an infinite sea of potential, which your mind pulls from to manifest conscious awareness which we call the present. If one was aware enough of the process of being aware and manifesting their future out of the potential of all that hasn't been manifested yet, they could easily look into the potential, see what they'd like to pull, and then pull it.

It's not "looking into the future", it's creating it, the same way we always do it, only this time we had a little more insight through a connection with our subconscious. Dreams or altered states can be this connection.

[FunkyMonkey]

The future hasn't manifested yet so it lies within an infinite sea of potential, which your mind pulls from to manifest conscious awareness which we call the present. If one was aware enough of the process of being aware and manifesting their future out of the potential of all that hasn't been manifested yet, they could easily look into the potential, see what they'd like to pull, and then pull it.

It's not "looking into the future", it's creating it, the same way we always do it, only this time we had a little more insight through a connection with our subconscious. Dreams or altered states can be this connection.

Close, but Im talking of premonitions of specifics.
As a smll child I began to be aware of events that were ocurring that I had dreamt about. SOmetimes the previous day, sometimes weeks , months ago. I wasnt sure what to make of it so I assumed everyone did this. When I got a little older and began to learn that in general society does not accept these things and that people who claim to have these experiences are crazy I decided to test it out. I started to journal all of my dreams, every single day. And I also began to tell my best friend about things I suspected would happen based on my dreams.
These events started to happen and the fact that I had foreseen them was reflected in my journals and in the conversations i had with my friend.
Im not talking about just personal things within my control. Im talking about seemingly insignifigant events involving other people as well. I would watch someting happen write it down then watch it again when it happened when i was awake. I didnt control these dreams nor did I know for certain when something was a premonition. And these did not happen daily.
There have been some events in my life that I have felt that dejavu feeling over and been able to look back into those dusty old journals and find I had a premonition of it years prior.
These events continue to happen and serve to show me I am right on track in my life. I am following my path that seems laid out before me.
This is not something that is always easily understood or accepted but how can I personally deny it in the face of so much PROOF.
I dont know why this happens to some and others are not aware.
But I dont doubt it. Dreams have always been a place where things happen for me. I have come to view them as sacred. They are my connection to something beyond my understanding. Amazing things happen when my head hits the pillow. And I recieve my guidance there.
I have discussed some of these things in other threads.
All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real.

We are surrounded by a great mystery.

peace.

[Hamlet]

"All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real."

But if you keep diaries you do have proof, don't you? Sorry for being skeptical. I'm sure you have no doubt, but it seems to me if someone could do it at all, even just a little, they would be the richest and most powerful person in the world. Think about it...just one word from the future at the right time...say it's 1980....buy Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon, Walmart....just as an example.

Then there is the dilema of free will. If someone can dream the future, that means every single event is already predestined. That means I have absolutely no choice typing what I'm typing right now, and whoever reads it has no choice but to do so.

To be open to that possibility is going to take some damn strong evidence because it's such an extraordinary claim. If it were happening to me I would still be skeptical myself, until it was making me rich in the stock market, or I was preventing 9/11.

[FunkyMonkey]

"All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real."

But if you keep diaries you do have proof, don't you? Sorry for being skeptical. I'm sure you have no doubt, but it seems to me if someone could do it at all, even just a little, they would be the richest and most powerful person in the world. Think about it...just one word from the future at the right time...say it's 1980....buy Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon, Walmart....just as an example.

Then there is the dilema of free will. If someone can dream the future, that means every single event is already predestined. That means I have absolutely no choice typing what I'm typing right now, and whoever reads it has no choice but to do so.

To be open to that possibility is going to take some damn strong evidence because it's such an extraordinary claim. If it were happening to me I would still be skeptical myself, until it was making me rich in the stock market, or I was preventing 9/11.


Yes but my proof is only relevant to me and those it concerns personally.
My journals wouldnt be of use to anyone who didnt have intimate knowledge of the things they reveal.

Yes it would be nice to be able to pick what I see and when. Hell Id be winning every lottery out there :) But as it is ,it is not even useful for a free beer at a bar. I have no conscious control and have no real idea that I even had a premonition until after it has happened.
And like I said, they all involve me except for one clear one that I knew was signifigant.
Many people foretold of 911 and the following war. All who chose to speak up were ignored of course. Hell even govt intelligence documents predicting that one were ignored but thats beside the point.

Regarding free will: I dont think this challenges free will. I had a struggle with that one myself but not anymore. I believe we all have free will to follow our paths or not to follow our paths. If we follow them we can see these things manifested. If we choose to not follow them then we will not and premonitions are useless.
I make most of my important decisions in life with the guidance I recieve in my meditations, dreams and ceremonies I participate in. That , and following my inner voice. So naturally I see more of these sign posts on my path that tell me I am on track. Its like a confirmation that I am on my true path.
Most people ignore their inner voice, and dont seek guidance from the places I do so their perspectives and experiences are different.
Most people dont even remember their dreams.
I remember mine because I actively participate in them. They are ohh soo important to me.
So what I am saying is that if you dont seek guidance in dreams etc. you are not open to experiencing or remembering or understanding it when it happens. And if you dont have this, you have nothing to compare your experiences against to see if you witnessed it already.
And, lets face it most people dont walk a sacred or natural path anymore anyhow. If you stray from your sacred path you wont see the signs along the way that are upon it.
There lay free will.

peace.

[reeferizer420]

about 3 years before 9/11, i saw a commercial where a wrecking ball destroys a building. that night i had a nightmare that the twin towers were being destroyed... probly just a coincidence, but when i heard the twin towers had fallen on 9/11, it instantly made sense somehow because of that dream.

[ate]

Close, but Im talking of premonitions of specifics.
As a smll child I began to be aware of events that were ocurring that I had dreamt about. SOmetimes the previous day, sometimes weeks , months ago. I wasnt sure what to make of it so I assumed everyone did this. When I got a little older and began to learn that in general society does not accept these things and that people who claim to have these experiences are crazy I decided to test it out. I started to journal all of my dreams, every single day. And I also began to tell my best friend about things I suspected would happen based on my dreams.
These events started to happen and the fact that I had foreseen them was reflected in my journals and in the conversations i had with my friend.
Im not talking about just personal things within my control. Im talking about seemingly insignifigant events involving other people as well. I would watch someting happen write it down then watch it again when it happened when i was awake. I didnt control these dreams nor did I know for certain when something was a premonition. And these did not happen daily.
There have been some events in my life that I have felt that dejavu feeling over and been able to look back into those dusty old journals and find I had a premonition of it years prior.
These events continue to happen and serve to show me I am right on track in my life. I am following my path that seems laid out before me.
This is not something that is always easily understood or accepted but how can I personally deny it in the face of so much PROOF.
I dont know why this happens to some and others are not aware.
But I dont doubt it. Dreams have always been a place where things happen for me. I have come to view them as sacred. They are my connection to something beyond my understanding. Amazing things happen when my head hits the pillow. And I recieve my guidance there.
I have discussed some of these things in other threads.
All I can say to those who doubt me is that I do not have proof that will convince you. Nor is it really important to me to convince you. I only try to open you to the possibility it is real.

We are surrounded by a great mystery.

peace.

You're surrounded by your higher self which can sometimes send you messages. Talk to the energy (i can't say "it" because it's not a thing, and it's definately not human) if you want to know about what's happening.

If you have no idea what I mean, then just ask. It's your higher self.

[ate]

Bing.

[FunkyMonkey]

You're surrounded by your higher self which can sometimes send you messages. Talk to the energy (i can't say "it" because it's not a thing, and it's definately not human) if you want to know about what's happening.

If you have no idea what I mean, then just ask. It's your higher self.

Iagree.