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oldnslow

08-27-2006, 02:59 PM

I'm guessing you dont use a ph meter? Or a ppm meter? Youre plants are stretched to the point of falling over. A 400w should be within 8" of the tops. They dont look too good....sorry. I doubt you will get a harvest from those. There seems to be a mg shortage way up to the top leaves, caused by a ph lockout i'm sure.

Lights in the tray are not your biggest prob with these plants. Study up on ph and ppm, its really addictive once you understand all the technical crap, haha. Good luck

deftdrummer

08-27-2006, 04:10 PM

that was my friends plants a few days ago. He doesn't have a ph meter you are right, but one is coming in the mail. BTW these were given to him not in the best shape as clones.

They were under sized, over sized, placed sideways in rockwool, and some even had spider mites as they were outdoor mothers. I didn't know about the resivoir having to be light proof, it makes sense but since it has been mentioned scantly so I will take it with a grain of salt. Besides you guys could be a little more supportive.

oldnslow

08-27-2006, 04:37 PM

Hey friend, you ask me/us. It seems like you mentionrd a lot of previous probs. Just tryin' to help'. Peace at ya, ons

Dazed4now

08-27-2006, 05:21 PM

yea those plants are stretching a whole lot
get some mylar and put it all the way around the lights and plants as close as possible
a 400 watt MH/HPS i found works best with about 4 or 5 plants
so yea get some mylar and consider getting rid of some of the plants that arent doing to well (stretching alot, burning, or the clones that had the mites) your results will be way better if you didnt have so many plants to get the light out to

Racerx

08-27-2006, 07:04 PM

They dont look to hot...but honestly Ive seen way worse and still produce. Worth your time as much as starting with good healthy clones? Well no but hey, its still product and a learning experience.

Whats the heat like in the room? Make sure you keep that res covered and below 72 degrees. Water temp is the biggest killer of hydro. And yeah, thats a lot of plants for 400 watts.

Finally, might I just mentioned that:

Some say that comets will fall from the sky
followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
followed by faultlines that cannot stand still
followed my millions of dumbfounded dipshits
SOME say the end is near...some say well see armagedeon soon
certainly hope we will...I sure could use a vacation from this...stupid shit!

deftdrummer

08-28-2006, 01:18 AM

we have no quarter

Zandor

08-28-2006, 04:40 PM

deftdrummer

08-30-2006, 12:58 AM

thanks Zandor. I believe the pH is fuxed up too, soon there will be a cover over the root resivoir and pH down was purchased today (it was at 8.6) I know I know its too high.

deftdrummer

08-31-2006, 02:46 AM

Ok here is the update! I have removed two plants, put reflective material down under the plants and sealed off the root chamber from all light 100%. In addition, the pH meter came pH is a steady 6.5-7 for the last two days. Check it out

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9210/imgp0436wj5.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp0436wj5.jpg)

misk

08-31-2006, 05:05 AM

looks much nicer :)
ur next grow should be quite alot better

deftdrummer

09-01-2006, 05:27 AM

sorry for that crappy pic, hopefully this time it will work. Anyways, nutes are at 6.5 just changed the res, water temp is at 76F, no light is hitting the roots and we offed two of them making a total of 8. Also raised the light about 3/4 of a foot. I know there is a little yellowing but we are hoping the conditions are right now. You guys see any reason they shouldn't take off?

GunBarrel

09-01-2006, 03:08 PM

Looks like you have it all under control now, so very good luck.. :rasta:

I see you say that there is no light hitting the roots?
Is there light getting to the water?

Only asking because i couldnt see it explained, so :-
Water + light = algae. If you already know this then im sorry, but you only mentioned the roots getting no light.

Hope all works out and blows you away! :dance:

hienuff

09-01-2006, 05:53 PM

put reflective material around the whole thing to maximize light usage....not under the plants....though thats probably not gonna harm them unless it concentrates too much light on the bottom of a few leaves....the idea is to get as much of the lights on the top of the leaves like the sun does...this is why they turn to follow the sun in nature... this will improve your yeilds immensly

hienuff

09-01-2006, 05:56 PM

mylar is best reflector you can get but anything is better than nothing.....even tin foil will do something

deftdrummer

09-01-2006, 07:42 PM

ya mylar is planned in the future but just waiting to see where this 1st grow goes. Here are some pics from this morning. Since then we have added one 5 minute water cycle during the night. Wow what a difference from last night. Oh and to answer your question, the res. are two side-by-side see thru bins that have the same reflective material on the tops that are exposed to the light. For the most part it is under the tray. You can see the reflector in some of the pics on the right.

stinkyattic

09-01-2006, 07:48 PM

I like your lightproofing around the pots- insulation or car windshield sun thing, it will work fine.
Thos eplants have potential.
They may have been stressed in the past but you work with what cha got...
Good luck.

deftdrummer

09-01-2006, 10:36 PM

thanks stinky, that's exactly what that stuff is actually. Today is actually almost the two week mark. So I think you are right considering the spider mites in the beginning and also the fact that some of the clones we were given to us stuck in the rockwool sideways, I think we're doing pretty well.

I also don't think I mentioned that originally we ordered 10 seeds for $80 from buydutchseeds.com of ICE 2000 and they never arrived. We ordered literally the day the whole airline terrorist bomb thing was discovered so that may have something to do with it. Anyways as a last ditch effort our friend hooked us up with about 20 clones of different strains and different health. In fact the diseased clones came from outdoor plants. Thanks for the encouragement!

Weed4Life

09-02-2006, 12:38 AM

Looking good. I like your setup. Hope your plants start to take off now that you have corrected your ph.

deftdrummer

09-05-2006, 08:24 PM

check it out guys, I can see a difference can you? We had to tie down the biggin :thumbsup:

Racerx

09-05-2006, 09:27 PM

wow they look a lot better, lot bigger. still looks they are getting some bad leaf curl though. is the water warm? how do the roots look? I would tie down some of those spindly ones, they wont be able to support their buds.

deftdrummer

09-06-2006, 06:55 PM

thanks for the input, I was planning on tieing all of them down at some point. But to be honest I don't think they are quite ready yet with the exception of the big one. They are definetely getting bigger and filling out, we don't know what the roots look like yet since they are under the cover to keep light out. We plan on taking peek when we change the tank in 2 weeks. Water is about 76 Degrees F most of the day. Not quite sure what the leaf curl is from but it appears to be only the very very tip of a few leaves so we haven't worried about it too much.

Zandor

09-07-2006, 03:57 PM

Drop your PH down to 5.8 to 6.0 your plants will thank you when all the nutrients they need at this cycle of life are available to them. :)

mistyganjatree

09-24-2006, 10:48 PM

car windscreen shade is not 100% light proof
hold it to the light and see!

Treetops

09-26-2006, 02:51 AM

Nice improvement from what they were....Thats gotta make you feel better..
Amazing what just a few "tweaks" can do for a damn "weed"...LOL..:thumbsup:

Zandor

09-26-2006, 04:27 PM

A ph of 6.5 is a little high for hydro. Check the nutrient availability chart in the FAQ section.

You would be better with a Ph of 5.8 to 6.2. You may want to try to cool your water 76 deg is to warm for your roots. Cool water will hold more oxygen then warm water will.

You can use 2 liter soda bottles filled 3/4 of the way with tap water and just freeze them. That will bring down the water temperature during the lights on cycle when they need it the most and will last about 4-6 hours.

I call that the ghetto chiller...lol

It does look better and your next round will be killer if you keep up the good work you are doing. It takes a few rounds to work out the details in a grow room.

deftdrummer

10-03-2006, 02:44 AM

Well currently the nutrient temp is around 68F. We are at week 2 day 2 of flowering in these pics. We have since added monster bloom too. Zandor I thought that optimal pH for hydro was 6.5? It may be different for flowering I don't know, but what do you think of these pics? check out the stalk on the biggest one it is about as thick as a sharpe!

Furthermore, I have searched and searched and searched and I cannot find the FAQ section that has anything useful in it other than the forums. Can you hotlink it please zandor? Thanks a lot for all your help

deftdrummer

10-16-2006, 05:36 PM

I think this thread had a mis title. I can't rename it but it is more of a following of my setup. Anyways if anyone cares, here is an update of where we are at with week 4 of flowering. Getting anxious

deftdrummer

10-16-2006, 05:38 PM

few more

HighSeekerz

10-17-2006, 04:12 AM

Decent looking plants... Areas for improvement of course... But arent there always. After all we arent trying to grow each and every bud to perfection... Just the ones we keep for ourselves! (Family that is) I named my thread: My grow pics. Your harsh opinions. Hoping that would get me beat up pretty good over my setup... Is seems to be working!

Anyways, I would add cheap, black poster board to the top of your windshield cover. That would solve that issue. I wonder if that is causing some of the leaf curling from the reflective windshield cover...? The bottom of the leaves dont WANT sun...

And of course I would have rotated the plants at earlier growth stages to get more even and better bud output. Of course, I know nothing... I am just learning myself!

Good luck on a good production!

InTheJungle

10-20-2006, 12:30 PM

Nice grow. The plants are definetly producing nicely.

Hahaha, just for laughs, can you post another pic of the tall skimpy one if possible? It's very funny, and reminds me of my first grow. :D

HighSeekerz

11-04-2006, 04:43 AM

Hey Dude. Did you dissappear??? Or are you smoking it? WTF???

deftdrummer

01-26-2007, 01:33 AM

Hey I am back, kind of forgot about this thread as we are onto our next grow hopefully with much more successful results! The grow that this thread documents went pretty well actually. We ended up yielding just over two oz I think. I can't really remember, but what I do remember is it lasted us for a long while! This time we are growing less plants under more ideal conditions and from seed (ice 2000) so it should be better. We also have a mother chamber now too so constant growing!

Garden Knowm

01-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Are you flowering yet?

If not, you should consider cloning NOW... get the HEIGHT of the plants down to about 10 inches tall... then let them grow for 3-5 days (recover from cloning) and switch to flowering (12/12)....

If you don't deal (flower or clone or both) with THEM soon, they are going to get ridiculous HUGE in flowering..

:)

nice pictures.. thax

lovelovelove

deftdrummer

01-31-2007, 04:34 AM

ya, thanks for the tips garden knowm. We flowered, harvested and smoked our brains out quite some time ago. We are well into our second grow with positive results thus far and the addition of a mother / clone chamber. We are all set for this go around. Only thing is I don't think anybody would really be that interested in a grow that is already almost to flowering stage otherwise I would start up another grow journal. Thanks again for the tips

esc0bar

02-08-2007, 03:40 AM

A few ideas for you:

A 400 w light is not enough to cover 4' long with that type of hood.

Second when the roots start to show out the bottom of the net pots they will die and affect the plant's growth. You can use pond liner to cover them from the light.

Third you may want to rotate your plants in place and in their location so they can have a better chance of sharing quality light or the ones on the far end will grow toward the light and block the others.

Zandor - i have an ebb and flow system just like this one and i was wondering what type of material is the best to put around the pots to cover the roots? would mylar work good or should i just get some kind of other matieral?