grow box...plz comment

[drumanick0]

ok so i wanna start a grow....and its going to be a stealth box, however i am not going to be able to get away with any more than 2ft height....i know its close to nothing but i wana try and make it work. basically the inside will be all painted white, i will have 4 23w CFL's and 2 15w....dont ask me how im going to fit them in yet lol, any suggestions? (besides a different box? lol)

i was hoping to fit them in mayb i could get those things that divide 1 socket into 4....then another that divides into 2...the pots arent going to be too big since i dont have a lot of space, prolly 2-3gal....prolly no more tho. my plan is just to LST the crap outta these plants....just when they start getting to close to light, pull it down and down and down again.

anyone think this is going to work? anyone think its DEFINITALLY not going to work? any ideas on yeild? (obviously not much)....i just wanna get some experience :)...heres the pic

[Tokudai]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3451/lidvo6.jpg

Image tags don't seem to work and the attachment tool aint working for me either (sigh)

The light fixture from a ceiling fan and a pizza pan is what I used for a trashcan setup - should work fine for you... then maybe add the additional sockets in the side walls?

Might need to go a little taller, or rethink the pots - as the 2-3 gallon pots themselves will be ~ 10-12" tall (think how tall a gallon of milk is....). then the fixture will need ~ 4-5 inches of clearance from the ceiling.. Not much room left in there

You can buy melamine (i think thats what its called) boards to build it out of -they have a flat white finish on them already like the premade cabinets have and it doesn't chip off, plus less prepwork and no possible problems from paint smell

You'll need some way to move/exchange air, and then what about the lovely aromas that come up in the later months? Since you mentioned stealth this will be an issue.

Yield - tough to say but w/100ish watts of CFL its not going to be a huge amount regardless of method. Are you going with clones or seed? In that small of a space I'd suggest a SOG to maximize it, but this ups your plant #'s considerably (if thats an issue)

Good luck and be safe!

[drumanick0]

good ideas....thx for help :), and no, # of plants doesnt matter...any suggestions w/ the SOG?....and yeah ur right about 2-3gal pots lol, as for ventilation i was gonna put a couple holes in the box and i have a 12" fan that would b blowing on them. im still not positive of what it will b made of....but i will consider what ur talkina bout. btw for a SOG in there....how many plants could really fit?

as for light fixture...im pretty sure i can buy those things that divide into 4 instead of tearing apart a fan lol...btw....a trashcan grow is stealth as hell, gj lol. any ways peace out.

thx for help guys
nick

[Tokudai]

Happy to help out

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1598/caninsidele4.jpg
^theres 7 in there

http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lilonesap2.jpg
^an out of the can pic of a few


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/160/canoutsideub9.jpg

^The cord coming in the top isnt very stealthy, but its not trying to be hidden


Lol don't tear apart a ceiling fan :) the light fixture was a replacement fixture for a ceiling fan - $4.99 at Wal-Mart

Where is the fan gonna go? - heh if inside the box you are really running out of room ;P

Is the box gonna be in a closet or something? The holes in it for ventilation, they have to be positioned to make sure the light wont get in when its not sposed to.. not to mention keeping light inside (Whats that box with the light coming out of it?)

2' x 1.5' - maybe 12-15 plants in a SOG setup. Basically, you flip the lights to 12/12 as soon as they are rooted and growing, making it so each plant is one bud, the top cola, and no side branches. The plants above are ~ 2 weeks after rooting, the square pots are roughly 4x4 so if you pushed it, you could fit 18 of them in 24"x18".. For SOG though you will almost need to start from clones instead of seeds - Do you have access to clones? from seed will be tough in a small box like you want

[drumanick0]

ok i know this maysound dumb to u....but its under my bed...(big bed...and under it is like a storage compartment no1 goes into lol)...as for clones...i dont have access to them :( ...and yeah u r right...ive heard SOG w/o clones suck....so mayb next time around...but until then maybe just get some good clones from one big plant?...btw about the fan....good question...i have it already but not sure how thats gonna work lol...i was thinkin just holes and no light gets under my bed...but ur right, what about the light leakin through....hmmm ill figure somethin out....any suggestions? hahaha....im really tryin to get things figured out b4 istart...cuz i didnt b4...and i pretty much wasted like 30$ :(.....anyways....i appreciate all the help...god knows i need it lol...btw w/ SOG...and the amt of lights i have how much would each cola get approx?....again thx

peace out
nick

[drumanick0]

lol just sorta an updated box for fun....and i got stoned and had nothing to do....so here

[Tokudai]

As far as light leaks you can build a duct that "zig zags" and will cut down on the leakage.. possibly eliminate it altogether. But theres still nothing to control odor, which should be your #1 concern in a stealth (or most any) type of setup.. 125ish CFL watts, first time grower... if you pull 2 ozs (total)then you are on the right track.

Just looking at your drawing, I'd put the intakes on the other side of the box and low, with the fan blowing out from the top opposite side. This way it will draw the cooler intake air across the ladies and up and out.. not to mention that heat rises, so the heat from the lights will be exhausted more efficiently as well. Have the 12" fan exhaust and blow into a homemade scrubber using kitty litter pearls (instead of carbon) and it should control the smell fairly well.. the CFM of the fan is very important - what brand/model is the 12" fan?

[drumanick0]

sry...got it a while ago...dont have the box anymore...but it was 15$ from target....its got some power too....i think the lowest level might eeven b a little 2 much for plants lol...andyea i agree about the intake holes at top....i was planning on building those zigzag things across all3 holes...as for hav it on opposite side...i dont want some1 to go under my bed and c a box....w/ a weird thing on the side lol (for theholes)...so it would kinda blow my cover....would it not b fine just like it is? as for smell....still not positive on what to do...i guess i should look kup how to make a carbon scrubber but use kitty litter lol....btw....2oz? lol, most iveheard so far is if i do evrything perfect 1oz haha....guess i may have something to look forward too now :)

thx, peaceout
nick

[Tokudai]

Well all things considered, 1g/watt is doing well with horizontal High powered lighting.. so I'd hope you could do 1/2 that ;)

I mean intake holes on the right side low, exhaust out the top left... I don't get how the box is situated that it would be seen

Under the bed? Ventilation may be an issue, and what if there are electrical problems? You don't wanna burn the place down lol make sure you know what you are doing and insulate/ground everything.

Theres plans to build a scrubber out there somewhere.. I can try and dig up pics of my old one to give you an idea

[drumanick0]

sry i wasnt clear on situation...basically under my bed can only be accessed through one place...its the front, there are 2 doors that u open and its an enclosed area, but for air there is some space between the bed and wall. so really all the stuff on the box or around it i want it to be in the back....thats y i planned for intake and exhaust holes to b both int he back, i want it to look like just a box....just full of shit that no1 cares about lol. about 1/2g per watt...i hope i can do it lol, but idk, for CFL's ive heard about .3g per watt....so idk, but i think i can do pretty good cuz ive read an insane amt of growing lol. and i continue to read and learn more. about the firehazard...idk, cfls really dont get hot...like i can hold one the whole time its on, and the fan will b blowing in, so...as dumb as this sounds....i was thinking of taking a cardboard box, putting a couple layers of duct tape around the inside...then painting it white for good reflection....i really dont kno how a fire woud happen. there wont b enough heat in there to start one. also for electrical, a couple days ago i checked our circuit breaker...and one goes to just my room...and i did all the math and crap...and there is a lot of watts that arent being used. outta my whole room only things that are on is computer, tv, stereo (sometimes)....and there is like 2400w to be used or something...im not sure how much watts a comp or tv uses but im sure i will b fine w/ using another 100-150ish....

any comments? thx for help man, i appreciate it

nick

[ronjohn420]

hey... im pretty new to this site, although i have used some small grow chambers just like yours. oddly enough the same dimensions too.. mine was a "band-pass" box for 2-10" speakers, i had a 30W 24" plant gro-lux tube and i had 2 30cfm 80mm. computer case fans mounted to the port holes.... ill be honest, it kept temp perfect @ 74'F but it was hard to manage and it was a hassle because after the first month theyre too tall and the light cant be evenly distributed because of the plant in the way, and you will PROBABLY have to move them because of size (depending on the strain)

just alittle insight from a friend

[drumanick0]

thx for the comment....did u LST at all? im hoping this can work lol....as for strain, im not really sure what they are just yet....somebody is sending me a mix. thx for the input tho....

peace out
nick

[Tokudai]

hey do you have a link or anything to more info about that bin grow if wouldn't mind.


Nope, sure dont - it was built as a veg chamber though, for freshly rooted clones, to right before 12/12 - Then they go under 400WMH/400WHPS dual spectrum cooltube

Trash Can - $12.00
16" Pizza Pan - $4.99
4-outlet Ceiling fan fixture $4.99
4-26 watt CFL mini lights - $2.00 after rebate
White posterboard (3) - $.22/each
Power cord - hacked off of something I had around


Thats the parts list - for temps I haven't seen above 78, but its in an airconditioned room, right over a vent.. I take the top off for ~ 15 mins a day to help exchange air. The only problems I have had with it are humidity - the posterboard on the sides has gotten very wet after feeding, so I change it every few weeks so mold won't grow. Theres a no pest strip in the bottom of it to combat any undesirables. I have a smaller version I use to hold mommies (1 26w cfl).. Then I put her in here for ~ a week to give her a boost before taking new clones

roughly 85 watts/sqft, it vegs 6 or so nicely

[MeatRulz]

I dont really wanna cut in on ur thread but that trash can was the most intelligent thing i ever seen. ur are the MAN!!!

[Tokudai]

thx for the comment....did u LST at all? im hoping this can work lol....as for strain, im not really sure what they are just yet....somebody is sending me a mix. thx for the input tho....

peace out
nick

Are you going to be able to take them out of the box to LST and feed them? If you are starting with seeds, its gonna be tough to have enough room in there for a bunch of them to veg waiting for sex to show..You could switch the lights to 12/12 as soon as they are on the 2nd set of leaves - then the males will show in about ~ 3 weeks or so.... Once you find the males, get rid of em and set lights back to 24/0 (or 18/6) and veg the females for a few more weeks til you can clone them.. But you are running out of room quickly now.. How many seeds do you plan to pop? No way you can get clones huh? Are you going to be able to keep a mommy separately - for clones for future generations? if not then SOG is going to be near impossible.

I found my scrubber, so I'll do a little write up and take some pics for ya -

[Tokudai]

I dont really wanna cut in on ur thread but that trash can was the most intelligent thing i ever seen. ur are the MAN!!!

Thanks - I was thinking cheap, easy and cheap... hehe.. it'd be nice to have a few different "cans" going though, to help maintain a perpetual harvest as well as store mommies

[sheist]

hey.. check out my posts, when i did a few plants- in the basic grow section, they were earlier posts, they have pics..

also check out my setup pictures- i had drawn images, similar to yours.. they may be more effecient or help urs to become more effecient.. but to let you know, 23w CFL wont produce much.. they'll definitely get your kid started tho..

line the top with 2 rows of (6) 25w fullspectrum CFLs... and put 25w between, sticking out on the sides.. may take up space, so u can modify the idea to accomdate your needs..