Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

[iamapatient]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html?sPage=world.foxnews/iraq



WASHINGTON â?? The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

â?¢ Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly â?? in my mind â?? significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.

FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.


Oops... :D
*puts on flame proof boxers while mocking prisonplanet*

[eg420ne]

LoL FOXNEWS need viewers & the republican needs vote, so lets dig up bones....I thought they tried this back in 2004 during election year why would they bring this back up now, hmmmmmmmm. The article also said DEGRADED which the so called WMDs couldâ??ve been left over from the Iran/Iraq war, hell Saddam buried his fighter jets, Iraqâ??s was full of shit b4 U.S. invaded it, only to make it our shit.. Hey if we had a trustworthy Government & Medea I wouldnâ??t have any problem with this story, but since thatâ??s not the case with theseâ??s groups, so Iâ??ll just take it as propaganda for there targeted subjects

Oh hell look what I found on foxnews -----Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

1. "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html 

So basically its propaganda for the base, maybe to distract its base from the 2 young men who were murdered in Iraq, or to win back viewers/voters, it is a far cry from "Mushroom Clouds" and Iraq can attack the west in 45 minutes with drones, like they so proudly told us why we needed to attack Iraq in the first place

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

â??You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.â?�

[iamapatient]

What a joke, the left quotes prisonplanet and has the nerve to bitch about Fox? :rolleyes: Would you feel better if it were reported by AFP, retard?
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/060622055545.07o4imol.html

"Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq: US intelligence"



US-led coalition forces in Iraq have found some 500 chemical weapons since the March 2003 invasion, Republican lawmakers said, citing an intelligence report.

"Since 2003, Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent," said an overview of the report unveiled by Senator Rick Santorum and Peter Hoekstra, head of the intelligence committee of the House of Representatives.

"Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf war chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf war chemical munitions are assessed to still exist," it says.

The lawmakers cited the report as validation of the US rationale for the war, and stressed the ongoing danger they pose.

"This is an incredibly -- in my mind -- significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," Santorum said.

A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."

The official, who asked not to be identified, said most were 155 millimeter artillery projectiles with mustard gas or sarin of varying degrees of potency.

"We're destroying them where we find them in the normal manner," the official said.

In 2004, the US army said it had found a shell containing sarin gas and another shell containing mustard gas, and a Pentagon official said at the time the discovery showed there were likely more.

The intelligence overview published Wednesday stressed that the pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market.

"Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out," it said.

Santorum said the two-month-old report was prepared by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a military intelligence agency that started looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the Iraq Survey Group stopped doing so in late 2004.

Last year the head of Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, said that insurgents in Iraq had already used old chemical weapons in their attacks.

Nevertheless, "the impression that the Iraqi Survey Group left with the American people was they didn't find anything," Hoekstra said.

"But this says: Weapons have been discovered; more weapons exist. And they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," he said.

Asked just how dangerous the weapons are, Hoekstra said: "One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly."

The report said that the purity of the chemical agents -- and thus their potency -- depends on "many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions."

"While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," it said.

Reporters questioned the lawmakers as to why the Bush administration had not played up the report to boost their case for continued warfare in Iraq.

"The administration has been very clear that they want to look forward," Santorum said. "They felt it was not their role to go back and fight previous discussions."

Fear that Saddam Hussein might use his alleged arsenal of chemical and biological weapons was a reason US officials gave for launching the March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

So, like most liberals, instead of anything of substance, you complain about who reported it. Next? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh, How many, exactly, pre-91 WMD's was Sadddam allowed and how many did he claim he had? Nice try. :rolleyes:

[eg420ne]

Ok retardo, this is the same rehash crap from b4,, no news..This crap they found is not the reason we went in there its because they told your retarded ass that Mushroom Clouds will be forming in the U.S. your stupid ass take this junk in like heroin you need sum more right-wing juice, junkie....Here dude i quote you foxnews again--Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

1. "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

Ohh wait let me put this quote from that other cutnpaste you just did---A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."



MMMMMMMMMMMM right-wing crack is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD:thumbsup:

[iamapatient]

Once again, you fail to answer the questions because it blows your retarded "no wmd" lie out of the water. Allow me to ask you again because you clearly fail to understand that pre/post-1991 means nothing.

1) How many pre-1991 WMD's did Saddam claim he had? (A: 0)
2) How many pre-1991 WMD's was Saddam allowed to have (A: 0)
3) How many WMD's do the anti-war/Bush retards claim were in Iraq? (A: 0)

Yet, in all actuallity, we've found over 500 and YOU (along with other mental midgets, I'm sure) think that, for *some* reason, that Saddam with post 1991 WMDs = bad but Saddam with pre-1991 WMD's is OK? What oriface did you pull that out of, the same one you keep your heads? :rolleyes:

[eg420ne]

Hey retardo i dont care what they find in iraq it dont mean shit coming from this government & medea, you retardlican thinks this a big deal but its not, its exactly what they wanted, i think the world & americans were fooled into thinking Iraq was building hugh chemical plants, building all kinds of bombs to attack the west by these criminals in power, but all we find is old tired out shells, not exactly the WMDs our loving leader were telling us about....This is your game you play it, im not the one being fooled

This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."


and how fukin convenient thay be pulling shit out now when election time is around the corner, cant wait for them terror alert warnings to drive up the fear..Oh yeah here's a FlAG Vote Republican:thumbsup:

[minnesota man]

edge420 has a lot invested in his idea that their are no WMD in Iraq. I suggest you realign your position quick and find something else to replace the thin ice your standing on. Haha. I love ya man!

[iamapatient]

Thank you for admitting that you dont care if they find WMD because your hate is about something else, entirely. :D

We all know that we had some bad intelligence, President Bush has admitted that we thought we'd find more than we had and the Senate Select Committee on Intellignce found that we relied too much on UN Intelligence. President Bush was also told that there were no more WMD's in Iraq but that was clearly wrong too. Why do you ignore the parts that don't support your delusion?
"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal,"
"This is an incredibly â?? in my mind â?? significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false,"
"Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf war chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf war chemical munitions are assessed to still exist,"
"Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out,"
"One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly."
"Fear that Saddam Hussein might use his alleged arsenal of chemical and biological weapons was a reason US officials gave for launching the March 2003 invasion of Iraq."

What's with you intollerant, homophobic liberals? "FlAG"? Pathetic, reduced to anti-Gay hate spews now. So.....progressive. :rolleyes:

[graymatter]

I don't know about anyone else but I'm joining the Retard Party; they got my votes. :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

edge420 has a lot invested in his idea that their are no WMD in Iraq. I suggest you realign your position quick and find something else to replace the thin ice your standing on. Haha. I love ya man!
I never said there were no WMDs, im sayin look at the information coming out, this is the same bowl of crap thats been served b4 remember the 2004 elections, and again "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
What part of that quote do you not understand

This bullshit first spewed by a republican whos poll number not looking good then all of Foxnews repeats its, fuckit good they found something to cheer for, fuck it if it make y'all have a hard on then so be it, damn this shit is old news and they make it seem they just found WMDs. These shells are not what we went to war for, remember the Mushroom Cloud, how quickly we forget, booga booga saddam gonna get you



quote from iamadumbass-What's with you intollerant, homophobic liberals? "FlAG"? Pathetic, reduced to anti-Gay hate spews now. So.....progressive. No your party is the anti-gay ones, your the ones that want gays from not doing what they want, its your party that brings that gay issues up and all im doing is repeating it for you so you dont forget:thumbsup:

[minnesota man]

You keep questioning Bush's timing of releasing information. I would consider it good political stratagy. The news of wmd's is crucial to who? The Democrats. So why not let them keep digging their hole and then let them have it?

[pisshead]

Sean Hannity And Rick Santorum Cling To Discredited "Finding" Of WMD in Iraq

Newshounds | June 22 2006

What a coincidence that one week after Karl Rove urged Republicans not to make excuses for going to war against Iraq and to put critical Democrats on the defensive, Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), 18 points behind in his re-election efforts, and representative Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) suddenly came up with some report that 500 chemical weapons have been found in Iraq. Almost the entire hour of Hannity & Colmes last night (6/21/06) was devoted to this â??discoveryâ?� despite the fact that FOX Newsâ?? own Jim Angle had already reported that the Bush administration said the weapons were not in useable condition and were not the WMD's for which we went to war.

The entire show was filled with â??FOX News Alertsâ?� about the report. â??This is exactly what we suspected he had,â?� Hannity crowed, before adding, falsely, â??This is only a part of why we went into Iraq.â?� But he never asked either Santorum or Hoekstra, both of whom appeared on the show, about the administrationâ??s response or the likely degraded condition of the chemical weapons.

In fact, it wasnâ??t until Alan Colmesâ?? portion of the discussion that Jim Angleâ??s reporting was even mentioned. â??Jim Angle, who reported this for FOX News, quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because theyâ??d already been degraded and the official went on to say these are not the WMDâ??s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMDâ??s for which this country went to war. So the chest-beating that the Republicans are doing tonight, thinking this is a justification is not confirmed by the Defense Department.â?�

Santorum pooh-poohed that by saying â??Iâ??d like to know who that Defense Department spokesperson is. The fact of the matter is, Iâ??ll wait and see what the actual Defense Department formally says or, more importantly, the administration formally says.â?� The Defense Department's comments were deemed credible enough to post on FOXNews.com but Santorum insisted that the weapons â??couldnâ??t be maybe fired efficiently but they certainly could be used in a terrorist incident.â?�

Colmes noted that the White House has been silent â?? which Santorum could not account for.

Colmes, who was at the top of his game in this segment, further said that Santorum is 18 points behind his challenger. Wasnâ??t this â??a desperate attemptâ?� by Santorum to re-establish himself â??in a race in which youâ??re not doing very well.â?�

â??Who said that?â?� Hannity peevishly interjected, although heâ??s not supposed to interrupt Colmesâ?? portion.

Hoekstra insisted that the report undermined Democratic criticism of the war when â??We all knew before the war that Saddam had chemical weapons of mass destruction.â?� Comment: Yes, but as Chrish reported, "The UN Weapons Inspectors declared in 2004 that there were no WMDs of any significance in Iraq. Despite that, Hoekstra insisted this new report â??created an overwhelming case about how dangerous this regime was.â?�

Colmes posted a statement from the Iraq Survey Groupâ??s final report. â??While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.â?� Colmes added, â??This is pre-1991, sirâ?¦ These are degraded. Theyâ??re not useableâ?¦ Thereâ??s nothing new here.â?�

Colmes must have been getting under Hannityâ??s skin. As he ended the segment, he said â??Great job!â?� to Santorum and Hoekstra and â??jokinglyâ?� continued, â??If theyâ??re so confident theyâ??re degraded, maybe we can drop it off at a liberalâ??s house, see if theyâ??ll store it in their garage.â?�

[Fengzi]

I'm not surprised that we would eventually find some old mustard gas bombs buried out in the desert. We'd probably find just as many if we dug up all of Germany. Still its a far cry from Saddam being a madman, bent on world destruction, with an active wmd program. The fact that Ol' Dubya hasn't stepped up saying "told ya so" say's a lot.

[iamapatient]

Again:
"This is an incredibly â?? in my mind â?? significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false,"

Of course it's false. They know most of the lies the liberals tell are false. The fact of the matter is there were WMD's in Iraq that Saddam claimed he didn't have and was NOT allowed to have despite their age.
The actual report itself says (last page):
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf
"While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal"

We've already dealt with the bad intelligence issue, that the whole world had, this directly disputes the idiots that are still claiming that there were no WMD in Iraq. Saddam was in violation of every UN resolution, including the last one.



No your party is the anti-gay ones, your the ones that want gays from not doing what they want, its your party that brings that gay issues up and all im doing is repeating it for you so you dont forget:thumbsup:
In your inbred world, MY party is anti-gay and you're the retard spewing homophobic comments? Good luck with that delusion, kid. While you can try to stick with your peewew herman version of "I know you are but what am I" but I'm not the one posting homophobic hate speech, I'm just pointing out that YOU are. You're one worthless pos hypocrite. Does it hurt to be as stupid as you must be? :rolleyes:

[eg420ne]

Quote from iamadumbass In your inbred world, MY party is anti-gay and you're the retard spewing homophobic comments?

LMAO I guess you miss my satire in that, Go ahead and find them homophobic comments remarks I made about gays:rolleyes: cause the only ones your gonna find are the ones said in jest and its about flags, and how your party hooks your dumbass up with that anti-gay marriage thingy, just like your president said this in jest
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.



typical right-wing trash miss it all the time its not your fault your trap in the neo-cons Web of Deceit..Im am far from being homophobic(:upsidedow trust me I would know:upsidedow )on the other hand it is your party that spouts out anti-gay crap whenever they need a boost in the polls so good luck in convincing me im homophobic:thumbsup: ...Hey iamadumbass hereâ??s a FLAG and donâ??t forget to vote republican because Diebold cant do it all..

Oh yeah im too tired to stay up all night so your gonna have to play with yourself unless you want to get a room;)

[Miss Green]

Yeah ok and if thats truely the case why then are we still there in Iraq?If thats truely the case.What, and these so called 500 weapons would of really destroyed America?Yeah, they proberly did find weapons but ones that weren't usable anymore that had been sitting there for decades!What a joke.;) :mad:

[iamapatient]

Quote from iamadumbass...
LMAO I guess you miss my satire in that...
Typical POS homophobe, now you try to claim you were only joking. I've never heard THAT one before. :rolleyes: If you weren't always mangling names of those you hate (like the "flag") I might have to give you the benefit of doubt but you're clearly just a worthless brainwashed myrmidon.

Good luck with your delusions...




Yeah ok and if thats truely the case why then are we still there in Iraq?
Becuase the job isn't over yet. Because the Iraqi government and people want us to stay until they can do it themselves (President Bush's plan) then we'll leave. We displaced their former government, we cant and wont just cut and run despite the cowards on the left.

"There are too many people who imagine that there is something sophisticated about always believing the best of those who hate your country, and the worst of those who defend it." - Margaret Thatcher

[Binzhoubum]

Thank you for admitting that you dont care if they find WMD because your hate is about something else, entirely. :D

We all know that we had some bad intelligence, President Bush has admitted that we thought we'd find more than we had and the Senate Select Committee on Intellignce found that we relied too much on UN Intelligence. President Bush was also told that there were no more WMD's in Iraq but that was clearly wrong too. Why do you ignore the parts that don't support your delusion?
"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal,"
"This is an incredibly â?? in my mind â?? significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false,"
"Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf war chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf war chemical munitions are assessed to still exist,"
"Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out,"
"One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly."
"Fear that Saddam Hussein might use his alleged arsenal of chemical and biological weapons was a reason US officials gave for launching the March 2003 invasion of Iraq."

What's with you intollerant, homophobic liberals? "FlAG"? Pathetic, reduced to anti-Gay hate spews now. So.....progressive. :rolleyes:

No offense man, but really...EVERYONE knows why we really went to war. Energy concerns. Who gives a shit what the Right or Left say? Its all usless doubletalk.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS. The international community, and such...No one gives a shit about WMD's or Terrorists. Its all about business...

:smokin:

[iamapatient]

Oh please that war for oil retardation doesn't hold water either. Are you completely brainwashed? :rolleyes:

The anti-war crowd are short-sighted. I care about terroists, especially terrorists with WMD, What I don;t worry about is corporations and retarded socialist conspiracy theory. Coca-Cola isn't the enemy, It's the terrorists, the lowlife appeasers and the moral relativists that defend them. :rolleyes:

[Binzhoubum]

Typical POS homophobe, now you try to claim you were only joking. I've never heard THAT one before. :rolleyes: If you weren't always mangling names of those you hate (like the "flag") I might have to give you the benefit of doubt but you're clearly just a worthless brainwashed myrmidon.

Good luck with your delusions...




Becuase the job isn't over yet. Because the Iraqi government and people want us to stay until they can do it themselves (President Bush's plan) then we'll leave. We displaced their former government, we cant and wont just cut and run despite the cowards on the left.

"There are too many people who imagine that there is something sophisticated about always believing the best of those who hate your country, and the worst of those who defend it." - Margaret Thatcher

Gee...I didn't think the Iraqi people wanted us there at all! :smokin:

Maybe I am just smoking some really good shit, huh?

How could I have been so wrong? I mean just because another country bombs the shit out of your country and subsequently invades and occupies it for several years doesn't mean they aren't welcome! LOL :smokin:

Seriously, Iamapatient this has nothing to do with people hating a country or defending a country. Today's wars are ONLY about business. Not ideology. Today's wars are about balancing the trade defecit, maintaining jobs in the military-industrial sectors, and winning the race for energy and natural resources.

Sure, terrorists threats exist, but they are so obviously blown out of proportion but the media so as to instill a certain amount of fear in the citizens to keep them distracted from what's really going on...economic problems (unemployment, inflation, devaluation) are much scarier than terrorists to the average citizen because the effects of such economic problems are easily seen and felt by all...

The world is a big marketplace with fierce competition and another country threatening the economic superiority of the US is far more dangerous than any isolated terrorist attack. :D

PEACE :smokin:

[iamapatient]

Gee...I didn't think the Iraqi people wanted us there at all! :smokin:

Maybe I am just smoking some really good shit, huh?

How could I have been so wrong? I mean just because another country bombs the shit out of your country and subsequently invades and occupies it for several years doesn't mean they aren't welcome! LOL

Actually, I think you're just stupid and your anti-Aemrican bias taints your view of reality. We're there at the request of the sovereign elected Iraqi government. Polls of Iraqis show they want us to stay until we finish training the Iraqi N.G.

Maybe if you pulled your head out and looked at facts instead of liberal propaganda?

You don't know wtf you're talking about, the rest is just more socialist delusion. :D

[WalkaWalka]

Lets make it clear here Bush and America are not the same thing.
The goverment and America not the same thing.
Patriotism and Bush loving not the same thing
Dissent and Patriotism very much the same thing.

So we've found some wmds well they realy could cuase mass destructiong expcept we've created an atomsphere that is conducive to them being spririted out of the country and oh the border into our country.
Lets see what else We liberated Iraq well actually conditions are a lot worse than they were with Saddam even with genocide factured in. Lets see what else terrorists terrorists were not in Iraq before we toppled the regime of Saddam. Any attempt to equate terrorists with Saddam is a very feeble action. Also it is about business. Oil is the exact reason just not in the way you think. Just look at the price of gas who is benefiting. The oil companies are. What about the American people I don't think so infact I think our standard of living and general freedom have diminished since Bush took office. Especcialy since this war started.

I don't hate America I love my country. I fucking hate the goverment right now becuase they are fucking my country up. Actually the goverment couldn't do it with out the people people like you Iam.

[Binzhoubum]

Actually, I think you're just stupid and your anti-Aemrican bias taints your view of reality. We're there at the request of the sovereign elected Iraqi government. Polls of Iraqis show they want us to stay until we finish training the Iraqi N.G.

Maybe if you pulled your head out and looked at facts instead of liberal propaganda?

You don't know wtf you're talking about, the rest is just more socialist delusion. :D

I beg to differ good sir...YOU don't know "wtf" you're talking about, the majority of your posts are just FACIST delusion....

:smokin:

FIRE WITH FIRE :thumbsup: LOL

Peace

:smokin:

[iamapatient]

Lets make it clear here Bush and America are not the same thing.
The goverment and America not the same thing.
Patriotism and Bush loving not the same thing
Dissent and Patriotism very much the same thing.

You want to make something clear, understand this:
"It can be patriotic to voice dissent, and often has been.
But not all patriots are dissenters, and not all dissenters are patriotic.
If dissenters work within the system to try to improve it, they are patriotic.
If they work to subvert the system, they are not." -- Steven Den Beste

Guess which I see the most of here? :rolleyes:

So, we HAVE found WMD. Still some say there were none, how about a little intellectual honesty instead of constantly regurgitating liberal lies and conspiracy theory?

You admit we've found them and you know Saddam said he didn't have any and, furthermore, he wasn't allowed to have *any*, right?
You know Saddam violated the cease fire, he shot at our planes every day, right?
You know Saddam had ties to terror, right?

Yet, in your tiny world, you cant see the possibilty of Saddam sharing WMD to terrorists to use against us or or allies?

Additionally, you act as if the Iraqis did brave 3 elections and Saddam didn't get 100% of the vote. You act as if we didn't find mass graves and Saddam isn't on trial for crimes against humanity. I think you'll find the Iraqi's are more optimistic than you are.

The problem is, I think liberals are fucking the country up. Traitor *might* be a little strong but not by much.




FIRE WITH FIRE
More like another peewee herman version of "I know you are but what am I" good luck with that... :rolleyes:

[Binzhoubum]

More like another peewee herman version of "I know you are but what am I" good luck with that... :rolleyes:


What's wrong with that? That's how the Republicans and Bushites win their arguments...but instead of saying "I know you are but what am I" they replace it with "I am patriotic, aren't you?" (usually followed by crys of "If you don't like America, then move to Iraq) ((I haven't heard such amazingly biting rhetoric like that since grade school))...LOL

Peace! :smokin:

And might I add that Peewee Herman was innocent!!!!;) (At least on a relative scale when compared to Bush...we can only hope that Bush starts to limit his ridiculous behavior to adult movie theatres...)

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[Binzhoubum]

Oh...and by the way, Iamapatient----

You used foxnews.com as a source of unbias news in regards to the war in Iraq? That's like using the tobacco companies as a source of information about the harmful effects of smoking...

Peace! :smokin:

[Miss Green]

Becuase the job isn't over yet. Because the Iraqi government and people want us to stay until they can do it themselves (President Bush's plan) then we'll leave. We displaced their former government, we cant and wont just cut and run despite the cowards on the left.

No no the left arn't cowards they know the truth that we shouldn't be there in the first place and lets face it bush did what he wanted to anyway with Iraq eg:the UN thats shameful that he would be commiting an illegal war crime and its not just him I know there is blair and howard .Look at the country before we invaded it - it was running fine there was clean water,electricity flowing,schools,hospitals and he didn't mind that you were in a different religion as long as you didn't slag of his religion it was alright.Did Saddam do awful things to his own people?...........Yes he did but its up to the Iraqi people to deal with it themselves not invaders(us) coming in not having a fucking clue about the way the country want or what the people want .