Cannabis psychosis.. Anybody here have it?

[Mr.N]

I think I may have it.. For those of you which dont know what Cannabis psychosis is, its a feeling of losing contact with relaity. For starters when I first started smokin I did a flippin S*** LOAD! and then took a break for sometime. During the break i had some nasty weed withdrawls.And the birth of psychosis. I personally thought I was done with weed and all its sources. So certain in fact that I sold my bowl and weed kid "Dr.Doom". As time progressed a friend of mine got hold of somre really good shit. So I said what the hell. And smoked a nice fatty. It went better than I have imagined.. :rasta: But the night after before I went to bed, I heard fireworks in my head a little bit. Could this be my mind playing tricks on me? Also I feel like I have cannabis psychosis. Like I was walking to my kitchen and I felt "Out of it". But to be completely honest with you guys the day I blazed I kinda prepared myself lol to say the least.(Got my self pumped up before blazin) and it went smooth. But when I start thinking about psychosis and all that it comes back. Do you think I am causing these affects Subconciously? I am starting to think I am. I kinda look at everything with a differnt tone after I smoke? Is that normal? I really need your guys opinion!


Thanks for everything ladies and gents and I aplogize for the "Wall of Text":)

[Mr.N]

Sorry to hear that mate. Do you know if its permenant or what? I WOULD REALLY like some info on this.. Thanks man

[Mr.N]

Anybody else on this? Please........

[BestTonicIsChronic]

I was thinking that I might have it, it does get really bad tho, I would get really "out of it" as you said, shit like thinking I wasnt real, or the rest of the world wasnt, scary thoughts that severly challenged my concept of reality, and when I would toke it would get SOO much worst. I would even sometimes get the frames thing that you get on pot, when I was sober. I was and am still on Acutane, on the pamphlette they give you with it talks about a possible side effect being psychosis, so that might have been it too. But I definatly know where your coming from, I understand completely, it was a living hell. I think Im better now tho, but I still just try not to think about, because I dont want to go down that road again. Try and take like a month of EVERYTHING all forms of drugs, as many of em as you can, even shit like coffee, and tobacco, I mean EVERYTHING let your body detox.

[Stellar]

I am just curious and asking for no other reason, but what are the ages of those experiencing this psychosis?

I know some kids that get really weird and spacy on it all the time after bongrips. Its an inebriant. Its going to have you thinking kinda screwey. A lot of the people I know that go through these things, though, are younger kids who aren't 100% sure where to put their foot down to center themselves in the world yet. They weren't sure about many things sober and had a lot to decide for themselves yet. This is no dig on kids. But, if you stil have things to figure out about yourself, getting ripped all of the time is going to delay it, unless you give yourself the willpower to think it through, in spite of it. That's kinda what i did as a kid. Got baked and walked around a lot, asking myself questions until I could answer them in a way that made them facts instead of questions to me. I went through a LOT of the spaced out am-I-even-here-is-this-a-memory-from-80-years-ago-have-I-gone-insane-am-i-wasting-my-time-being-alive-is-there-anything-that-isn't-a-waste-of-time-in-this-material-machine shit when I was a teenager. I credit pot for digging up some of the most severe intorspective thoughts, and I was unsure for a long time about things. I think it was part of being a kid. Nobody can answer some things about reality except for yourself. Figure out what it is to you and what you want out of it. Don't blame the drugs for boxing your mind into a dark room. You are sane enough to use the internet, you are sane enough to think yourself out of the box you've found.

[beachguy in thongs]

Cannabis can precipitate the first episode of psychosis
If someone has a predisposition to a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, use of drugs such as cannabis may trigger the first episode in what can be a lifelong, disabling condition. There is increasing evidence that regular cannabis use precedes and causes higher rates of psychotic illness. Psychotic illnesses are characterised by:

* Delusions - for example the person believes they have special powers.
* Hallucinations - for example the person hears voices or sees things that aren't really there.
* Thought disorder - for example the person has difficulty organising their thoughts.

When people experience psychotic symptoms, they are unable to distinguish what is real. They lose contact with reality.
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Cannabis_and_psychosis?open

Results On an individual level, cannabis use confers an overall twofold increase in the relative risk for later schizophrenia. At the population level, elimination of cannabis use would reduce the incidence of schizophrenia by approximately 8%, assuming a causal relationship. Cannabis use appears to be neither a sufficient nor a necessary cause for psychosis. It is a component cause, part of a complex constellation of factors leading to psychosis.

Conclusions Cases of psychotic disorder could be prevented by discouraging cannabis use among vulnerable youths. Research is needed to understand the mechanisms by which cannabis causes psychosis.
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110

It should be noted from the outset that:

* Much of the evidence for cannabis-associated psychosis has been based on subjects who have used large doses of cannabis and/or used cannabis chronically

* A great deal of the data has been derived from small studies, some of which have contained inherent flaws

and

* The findings of some of the larger studies conducted over the last 20 years have varied considerably
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It is believed that cannabis use may cause a condition known as a drug-induced psychosis or cannabis psychosis which:

* Can last up to a few days

* Is often characterised by hallucinations, delusions, memory loss and confusion

* Usually results from prolonged or heavy cannabis use

and

* Responds well to treatment

However, in some cases, cannabis use may contribute to the development of a psychosis such as schizophrenia which:

* Constitutes a serious mental illness for the majority of people with the disorder

* Is characterised by hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, paranoia, self-neglect, thought withdrawal, and speech disorders like associative or incoherent speech

and

* Tends to respond less well to treatment than cannabis psychosis

Most of the research in this area has investigated cannabis in people with schizophrenia.

Does cannabis use cause psychosis?
* There are a number of risk factors which are believed to contribute to the development of a psychosis, one of which is believed to be cannabis use

* The peak age range during which people are more vulnerable to developing a psychosis (16-30 years of age) tends to be the same age range during which people tend to use cannabis

* A very large study of 50,465 Swedish army conscripts determined their cannabis use at age 18 and followed those individuals for the next 15 years. Recruits who had tried cannabis by age 18 had 2.4 times the risk of being diagnosed with schizophrenia in the following 15 years than those who had never used cannabis. The risk increased if the conscript used greater quantities of cannabis

However, of the conscripts who developed schizophrenia:

* Most had never used cannabis

and

* Only 7.7 per cent were heavy cannabis users

* Therefore, cannabis use is only one possible factor contributing to an increased risk of developing schizophrenia or other psychosis. This is especially true when one considers that most people who develop a psychosis have never used cannabis

* In addition, cannabis use at age 18 might be a consequence of emerging psychosis (that is, psychosis precedes cannabis use, not vice versa)
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/drugservices/pubs/cannabis.htm

Cannabis: Too much, too young?

* 26 March 2005
* Graham Lawton
* Magazine issue 2492

It is known that taking a lot of cannabis over a short period can cause psychotic symptoms, but the long term effects are still hotly debated

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524921.300
(Don't waste your time on that link.)

Who is most at risk from cannabis use?

* People most at risk are those with a family history of psychotic illness or those who have already experienced a psychotic episode

* Thus, people with a family or a personal history of psychotic illness should avoid drugs like cannabis completely or at least attempt to minimise their use
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/drugservices/pubs/cannabis.htm
(same as above)

[Stellar]

My edit time expired, but my addition was going to be that the worst thing that I think you can do about this is to just leave it unanswered indefinately.

I or anyone else can tell you anything, but when it comes to there feeling like something wrong with your head and how its working, you really have to straighten the bend yourself. Its part of becoming yourself, and you will always be a work in progress as these things pop up. I believe that our outlook and our resolve in what we believe in and see is all reality will ever be. It can't be something other than what you perceive it to be, because you are your own window, in this case. Look out and connect with something that makes you feel normal again. and just keep adding blocks onto it. In no time you'll be a master human being again.

[Captain Hanks]

dude you need to mellow out, sorta sounds like your physcologically making up the fealing of becoming physcotic in your head
your doing more harm then good worrying about it like that
i personally dont believe that cannabis causes physcosis and that maybe people who are physcotic are drawn to cannabis as a way of coping
also there are no "physical" withdrawl symptoms from cannabis

[Stellar]

I agree.

You can think yourself into anything, positive and negative.

[smokesalot]

ok man i think you just need to calm down and breath alittle and it will be ok sounds to me like you might be sencitive to cannabis -congrats =-} i smoke 24/7 my bro dosent smoke often and it's because he cant handle it he freaks the fuck out cant breath hears shit maybe smoke some lower grade stuff ??
just an idea good luck

[Mr.N]

LOL you guys are flippin beast... Thanks alot! I truely and honestly mean it. Also to the guy which said you can will yourself into anything (positive/negative) I think that is completely true.:thumbsup: I am starting to learn this myself.. And as for the guy which said I am sensitive to weed, you are probably on the dot on that as well. When I first started toking i would usually go to my friends place and smoke a MAD amount.. I think it was Mid-Green, pretty sure its that:smokin:. But when I went straight for a couple months my friends shit was snow white and some Arabic shit mixed together in a dime. (Good stuff, strong as balls) Maybe if I get my tolerance up this wont be a problem?


Thanks again guys and keep the posts comin..



~Happy Tokin:pimp:

[harmonicminor]

cannabis is actually a hallucinogen
you could just be more sensetive to the effects than other people
your ok
it will give you a different outlook on life when you are high
thats why most people use it
you could be pissed off at something and then burn one and be happy and think to yourself "why the hell was I mad in the first place?" :-)

[Mr.N]

Yea, I think I am more sensitive than ALOT more other people..

love weed

[Jimmicrackedcorn]

This is kind of off topic, but with flashbacks, and also when ure saying about ure psychosis, what is it? You feel unreal, you see some movement in the periphery of ure vision, and you can sometimes see shit out of the corner of ure eyes, then floaters and those little lines of static that you see when you look toward a clear sky, or white wall, is it this what causes you so much panic?

[willystylle]

There is no such thing as reality.

[beachguy in thongs]

This is kind of off topic, but with flashbacks, and also when ure saying about ure psychosis, what is it? You feel unreal, you see some movement in the periphery of ure vision, and you can sometimes see shit out of the corner of ure eyes, then floaters and those little lines of static that you see when you look toward a clear sky, or white wall, is it this what causes you so much panic?

You're definition of psychosis is the post above.

[Mr.N]

Just not used to it..^ Its not that Jimmycrackcorn, its really hard to explain. You know the thread which you responded too, I think BestTonicIsChronic started it. It was labeled "psychosis?", yea he pretty much NAILS what I am currently going through when I am off weed.Also Jimmycrackcorn, your explaination was flippin perfecto man! I straight up saved that, I can tell you spent time on that explaination man.. Also I did detox for the "3 month period" and I still felt the effects during then.. Personally guys adding all of your posts together I am starting to see A TINY BIT of whats going on here. Maybe I am wrong, but possibly like another poster has said. A higher sense of being or something like that and yes I am very spirtual runs in the family somewhat ;0}.

[BestTonicIsChronic]

Im with you there Captian Hanks (lol) that ya the more I thought about it, the worse it got, like following the white rabbit further down the hole, shit just got weirder the more I thought about it, but now Im kinda or at least trying to block thoughts like that and shits been goin good.

O BTW, 4 those wonderin Im 16 yrs old. Also Ive done E, and salvia, both for the first time in the same weekend, and all the shit seemed to stem from that time.

[Mr.N]

Yea I am 17.. I dont get the Captain Hanks reference, lol I am slow on the uptake at times..

[beachguy in thongs]

LOL, guess so. Captain Hanks is twelve posts above you.

[Pennsterdam]

Visit here ---> http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers22.html

There is an old saying by the philosopher Socrates...

"Our greatest blessings come to us by way of madness, provided the madness is given us by divine gift."

Do not automatically think that psychosis is a BAD thing really. In order to spiritually grow, you will have to go through altered states of conciousness, even if it may seem bad. Sometimes when I am high, I may get paranoid. I will think of things like the government is watching me and stuff, which they probably are. I don't know.

Just don't judge mental illnesses as a bad thing. In truth, reality is a big dream. But what is truth, as Jesus supposedly asked Pilate.

People who hear voices and see things that aren't there can be classified into two groups. The first group are people who cannot cope with these voices and are called mentally ill. The second group are people who can cope with the voices and are called psychic.

[Mr.N]

very intresting post there buddy..^(Not trying to sound sarcastic) Maybe I am spirtually growing..

[Mr.N]

That site didnt help at all man.. Sorry.

[wild1]

this is so crazy... ive got a nutz-o story about my friend that i think had this now that i am reading up on it. He started smokin weed like 3 years prior to this event and then one day it just hit him. Like he was trippin hard core.. he was over at a friends house getting high, and just as he was going home, his friends mom showed him to the door and he asked her " Can you see that?," "theyre everywhere" and his friends mom asked "who?" you know like what the hell is this kid talkin about. his illusions and state of being totally went out of wack, telling nurses in the hospital he had a knife, and all this crazy shit.. he was then sent to a bigger hosipital in a bigger city for tests and shit, and when he came back he was the same old dude.. But when he tripped like that its like he was a totally different person.. now a year later hes still hittin the doobs and hes fine...ive read somewhere smoking weed causes schizophrenia in some people.. so i dunno just thought id share on the topic Peace!

[Mr.N]

Shit dude... Yea I think i know what caused it so hardcore and shit.. I smoked SO MUCH and then suddenly STOPPED! Cold turkey man for a couple months and I am now hitten it again and its really not that bad.. I can kinda feel it sometimes but I do what people here suggest, I just take a breather and chill out... But anyways, sorry to hear that about your friend. To be honest "schizophrenia" to me means someone which is talking to themseleves and THEY are controlling that, but they believe its something else... I dont know thats my opinion.:dance: Sometimes I think I have this but I "take a breather" and say "Hey I am doing this, I need to chill the F**** out" lol more or less.


Thanks for your post ladies and gents :thumbsup:

[Transitive Nightfall]

man sorry to hear that shit happenin to you but i can tell you now it wont last long, especially since its just weed. man i had amphetamines psychosis once back in summer before senior year of hs after a 4 day long speedrun and weeks of heavy abuse, little sleep and barely any food. for weeks i had been talking to myself and i was convinced that somebody (didnt even know who) was out to get me. finally it culminated at the end of this speed run, and i basically went insane, smashed shit all over my room, created numerous marks in the wall from punching, and then after dowsing myself in alcohol, xanax and valium finally fell asleep, woke up on the floor 19 hours later, still exhausted.

[Mr.N]

Woooo dude thats pretty crazy..^ Can I ask what "amphetamines psychosis" is? I have been feeling it lately as of yet, I am also REALLY worried about becoming a skitz... But I also heard someone saying how weed was antipsychotic.. I dont know maybe I am thinkin about this too much and I am the cause of this. (I know I said this before lol)

[maphiagrrl]

o is that what that is? i think i've given myself depersonalization too....what fun

[Mr.N]

whats that exactly?

[maphiagrrl]

In psychology (and also psychiatry), depersonalization (or derealization) is the experience of feelings of loss of a sense of reality. A sufferer feels that he or she has changed and the world has become less real -- it is vague, dreamlike, or lacking in significance. The DSM-IV categorizes depersonalization disorder as a form of dissociative disorder, though depersonalization proper is more often characteristic of the traumatic origin of other conditions.

Sufferers of depersonalization feel divorced from both the world and from their own identity and physicality. Often times the person who has experienced depersonalization claims that life "feels like a movie, things seem unreal, or hazy." [citation needed] Also a recognition of self breaks down (hence the name). When a person suffers from the disorder (or the symptoms associated with it) he or she finds that when looking in the mirror, his or her face is not familiar, though logically he or she is completely aware of his or her identity.

The feeling is said to be like being a ghost. No matter how hard the person tries, he/she cannot feel like they are genuinely interacting with the world and can't seem to perceive themselves as being normal. They feel like they are trapped between the real world and death. While one is struggling so hard to feel everything as normal again, there is a part of oneself which begs to just give up and stop the struggling. Simply put, it is an alteration in the perception or experience of oneself, so that the self is felt to be unreal; the person feels detached from the reality or their own body or mental processes

[beachguy in thongs]

If you're snorting any coke, smoking any crack/tobacco, having sex, or, eating brownies, then that might be an underlying cause to your psychosis.

[Mr.N]

I defintlely don't do crack or coke....How would having sex or eating browines cause psychosis? Also maphigirl, depersonalization sounds like the "user" is controling this. Is this true?

[420RoundTheClock]

I think all Cannabis Psychosis is, is when you feel like you havent really come back from being stoned. Like Ive had that were I actually have to ask myself if Im still high. Like when you start getting "frames" while your sober it can REALLY mess you up.

[Mr.N]

I have never gotten that while sober.. And this is after I smoke like a couple weeks later or days..The THC doesn't really leave your system intill a month right? Well, maybe this is the reason for this. Maybe my body is getting clean? I dont know..

[beachguy in thongs]

How would having sex or eating browines cause psychosis?
You've heard of people catching their spouses cheating and then going crazy, right? Well, the same thing can happen if you steal my brownies. :smokin:

[Mr.N]

lmao, i gotcha..

[maphiagrrl]

i dont really kno what you mean by the user controlling it....it's just the way you feel...detached from reality, like nothing is real...

[Mr.N]

I mean, can you kinda sike your brain out on that?.. Like doing the opposite?.. Kinda hard to explain, do you know what I mean though? Like its all in the persons head.

[beachguy in thongs]

When you smoke, you're activating all the Cannabinoid Receptors from your nervous system to your skin. That will make people freak out and it is all in their head.

Did you hear that one teacher, of that high school (where the kids spiked the brownies w/Herb), say, "I thought I was going to die."

And you well-know that was all in his head.

[Mr.N]

Did you just make that story up or whats up?^^

[beachguy in thongs]

Somewhere, some kids got into trouble for giving the faculty potbrownies. You didn't hear about that? Check the Psychological Forum.

[RainyDayWomen1235]

nah, I tripped on pot twice.... it's pretty far out actually. You learn a lot of things about yourself.

[tootsie roll]

I was thinking that I might have it, it does get really bad tho, I would get really "out of it" as you said, shit like thinking I wasnt real, or the rest of the world wasnt, scary thoughts that severly challenged my concept of reality, and when I would toke it would get SOO much worst. I would even sometimes get the frames thing that you get on pot, when I was sober. I was and am still on Acutane, on the pamphlette they give you with it talks about a possible side effect being psychosis, so that might have been it too. But I definatly know where your coming from, I understand completely, it was a living hell. I think Im better now tho, but I still just try not to think about, because I dont want to go down that road again. Try and take like a month of EVERYTHING all forms of drugs, as many of em as you can, even shit like coffee, and tobacco, I mean EVERYTHING let your body detox.


I don't want to scare you or freak you out but if I didn't say something I wouldn't feel right.

Please be very careful and keep a close watch on how you feel. Acutane is a good product in that it does its job BUT there is a very bad side effect and it causes people to have suicidal thoughts/feelings.
http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/accutane/claim.html

http://www.adrugrecall.com//accutane/suicide.html

http://www.accutane-side-effects.net/side_effects/psychiatric_disorders.html

:(

[MelT]

Hi. Sorry for posting about a commercial product and something that I've mentioned on another board, but just in case I can help; I'm a 'career' Buddhist meditator, who has also taken quite large amounts of dope (both eating it and through a bong) pretty much every day for the last 23 years. My current intake has dropped a little and is about a quarter a week now, solely in the evenings. In light of that you can imagine that I've had the odd period of dope anxiety along the way.

As somebody who's very interested in any and all effects of cannabis I've spent a great deal of time looking for ways to get past the more difficult effects the drug can have. To this end I've just written a book, out next month, called 'Headstuff - How to be Good at Being Stoned' (Spellbound, Denmark), which I hope will help a lot of people lessen, if not overcome dope anxiety. I do realise there's a major difference in the kind of real bi-polar paranoia that some people with a genetical disposition can get and the slightly anxious feeling that dopers can get, but much of it really can be gotten rid of quite easily. I don't want to turn this into an advert, so no links here, no real names. But if anyone has an interest in meditational techniques that will help you get back a broader high and mental exploration of altered states, I hope this will be the book for you.

MelT

[beachguy in thongs]

Hi. Sorry for posting about a commercial product and something that I've mentioned on another board, but just in case I can help; I'm a 'career' Buddhist meditator, who has also taken quite large amounts of dope (both eating it and through a bong) pretty much every day for the last 23 years. My current intake has dropped a little and is about a quarter a week now, solely in the evenings. In light of that you can imagine that I've had the odd period of dope anxiety along the way.

As somebody who's very interested in any and all effects of cannabis I've spent a great deal of time looking for ways to get past the more difficult effects the drug can have. To this end I've just written a book, out next month, called 'Headstuff - How to be Good at Being Stoned' (Spellbound, Denmark), which I hope will help a lot of people lessen, if not overcome dope anxiety. I do realise there's a major difference in the kind of real bi-polar paranoia that some people with a genetical disposition can get and the slightly anxious feeling that dopers can get, but much of it really can be gotten rid of quite easily. I don't want to turn this into an advert, so no links here, no real names. But if anyone has an interest in meditational techniques that will help you get back a broader high and mental exploration of altered states, I hope this will be the book for you.

MelT

Hey, MelT. :stoned:

Welcome to the boards.

[MelT]

Thanks for the welcome:)

M

[mseerob]

Hey whats up..

I was wondering tho could it be that if you smoke a lot and a lot of weed everyday that the chances of you developing those are high?

What if your like me, who smokes weed like every so often (once every 3 - 10+ weeks) I know people that would smoke like 5 joints a day.. everyday. I can picture someone developing those if you smoke a great lot everyday, but in my opinion if you smoke once in awhile, I dont think you can develop it. Please quote me if Im wrong.

[beachguy in thongs]

Hey whats up..

I was wondering tho could it be that if you smoke a lot and a lot of weed everyday that the chances of you developing those are high?

What if your like me, who smokes weed like every so often (once every 3 - 10+ weeks) I know people that would smoke like 5 joints a day.. everyday. I can picture someone developing those if you smoke a great lot everyday, but in my opinion if you smoke once in awhile, I dont think you can develop it. Please quote me if Im wrong.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030630112652.htm
http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm
http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/348art2003.pdf
http://www.medicalcannabis.com/PDF/Chronic_Cannabis.pdf
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=255433

[MelT]

That's a very reassuring set of documents:)
M

[mseerob]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030630112652.htm
http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm
http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/348art2003.pdf
http://www.medicalcannabis.com/PDF/Chronic_Cannabis.pdf
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=255433

Nice information you posted beachguy!

Everytime I read about these studies on cannabis and the long term effects that it causes, it always says that there's no evidence that it causes brain damage or anything to that matter. The user could perhaps be doing other drugs besides cannabis that they probably didnt know about. That has actually been one of the reason why I dont go and smoke everyday is the fact that Im afraid to develop schizophrena. I smoke from only a valcano vaporizer.

So I guess there isnt anything wrong with smoking every once in awhile then..

[birdgirl73]

I think that was a very important question the earlier poster (I can't remember your screen name!) raised about whether or not the culprit may not be Accutane. The psychosis reaction to that drug has been well reported, particularly in young men. That really is an important thing to relate to your doctor.

Accutane is a strong and scary drug. Far scarier than grass, I feel. And far more likely to be what's causing those symptoms you're having, in my opinion.

[Mr.N]

I just smoke weed guys. What is Accutane? Personally, I think I just think to much and need to chill out, as I already said in my previous statements.

[Ganjasaurusrex]

Nope, no problems as far as psyhcosis.

[beachguy in thongs]

So I guess there isnt anything wrong with smoking every once in awhile then..

Definitely not. Every once in a while is safe for everyone. I've, yet, to see the studies done on eight year-old tokers ( :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: ).

Teen indulgence, or, just, using too much, has been shown, in test subjects (narrowed down, to be perfect biological samples), to lower IQ.

So, in essence, Pot can make you stupid. Too much, too young. But, light use has the possibility to turn brilliance into an enhanced magnificence. :smokin:

[mseerob]

Im glad smoking once in awhile wont do you any harm. I got a question tho. In cannabis there are so many chemicals that can be harmful to the body. But what if you smoke from a vaporizer (I like volcano ) Because it is filtering out all those bad and harsh chemicals and only leaving you with the THC, do you think that could be less harmful to the brain, especially for those that can develop schizo (genetically)

[beachguy in thongs]

In cannabis there are so many chemicals that can be harmful to the body. But what if you smoke from a vaporizer (I like volcano ) Because it is filtering out all those bad and harsh chemicals and only leaving you with the THC, do you think that could be less harmful to the brain, especially for those that can develop schizo (genetically)

Quote:
On peer review all the claims in these "reports" have been refuted.
For a start the claim that cannabis is "five times more carcinogenic than
tobacco" has been shown to be from incorrect data. the original study
(Berkley carcinogenic tar) use the leaves of the two plants and as everyone
knows it is not the leaves of the cannabis plant that is used. And the study
said "tar" the propagandists turned it into "carcinogen". Cannabis tars have
very few carcinogens compared to tobacco. In fact cannabis has cured
cancers.
http://www.medscitalk.com/post-1815.html

And it will, also, filter out active cannabinoids (good ones). Or, at least, deplete them.

[mseerob]

Awesome!

I never believed that one joint was like smoking 5 cigerattes. I've laughed most of the time when I heard about that.

But what you were saying had to do with the lungs, I was asking about the brain and how it could be affected.....

[beachguy in thongs]

Affected by what?

Did you ever read these studies?

Cannabis and the brain
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/126/6/1252
Cannabinoids and brain injury: therapeutic implications
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=1327
Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult
hippocampus neurogenesis and produce
anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects
http://www.jci.org/cgi/reprint/115/11/3104.pdf
Cannabis Neuroprotective?
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_science1.shtml


This is from "High Times", I think: " Cannabis Prevents Brain Damage" http://p199.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionwhyitstimetolegalize.sho wMessage?topicID=24.topic

[mseerob]

Good looking :thumbsup:

Very good articles. Like I said before, I smoke every now and then, I plan to smoke next week or the week after. Take care. :rasta:

[lucidbong]

But if anyone has an interest in meditational techniques that will help you get back a broader high and mental exploration of altered states, I hope this will be the book for you.


This sounds kinda interesting. What do you mean broader high? Is this some wierd breathing shit to make you take in less air and it increases the effects of the dope that way? Any chanting or wearing of orange?

[MelT]

This sounds kinda interesting. What do you mean broader high? Is this some wierd breathing shit to make you take in less air and it increases the effects of the dope that way? Any chanting or wearing of orange?

Hi. What I meant was that over time we all slowly gain intolerance to dope and the effects diminish, or we accidentally do things stoned that help kill off the high and it loses it's breadth of cool effects. I've taken considerable amounts of dope every day for many years and what I describe in the book has helped me stay as fresh as I think I possibly could be. I now also find it easy to overcome dope anxiety too. None of it is rocket science, or else seriously, I would not have the time to do it. It's not about breathing exercises like you describe (although you could use your breathing as a focus for meditation), but knowing how to get your mind into the right state to fully appreciate the high.

But really the book is primarily about mental exploration, how to meditate, how to use things like sound to take you into different states of awareness - and some quite interesting experiences. To me that's what the use of dope is all about, exporation.

I guarantee that no religion, chanting or the wearing of orange is required!:)

M

[ChronicMike]

I feel like every time i smoke i get more insane and sometimes i snap on people over nothing, maybe its me and not the weed or maybe i need to slow down who knows.

[beachguy in thongs]

I feel like every time i smoke i get more insane and sometimes i snap on people over nothing, maybe its me and not the weed or maybe i need to slow down who knows.
As Bob Dylan wrote: "Everybody must get stoned!"

[MelT]

As Bob Dylan wrote: "Everybody must get stoned!"

Amen to that! I really wish both my parents had done it. It would have done them both the world of good. It should be compulsory:) - and you'd have assignments in 'Dope Taking 101' where you'd have to get high every night for a week. If you could make it to school on the following monday, you get an A. You remember to dress, you get an A+.

It's a hell of a nice pastime, I can't fault it.:thumbsup:

M

[luvbud]

Sometimes when I smoke a lot of weed I feel kind of psychotic. My thoughts get disorganized and there is a depersonalization effect. When I cut back to like one or two smoking sessions a day I feel more alive and connected to the world.
Like someone said earlier cutting back on things like caffeine and eating heathier help to detox your liver and to clear your mind. Colon detox is a good thing to try if you are a heavy user.

[beachguy in thongs]

Sometimes when I smoke a lot of weed I feel kind of psychotic. My thoughts get disorganized and there is a depersonalization effect. When I cut back to like one or two smoking sessions a day I feel more alive and connected to the world.
Like someone said earlier cutting back on things like caffeine and eating heathier help to detox your liver and to clear your mind. Colon detox is a good thing to try if you are a heavy user.

If you can harness your thoughts, while you're stoned, they come back to you, sober, and have a wicked effect.

[Mr.N]

Thanks for the links guys and keep on posting.. I find this ALL VERY FLIPPIN INTRESTING! lol, hate to sound sarcastic, but its true. I want to learn everything about weed. Why I see blue dots sometimes? What are ALL of the effects it has on the brain? etc. Keep it up guys! Is smoking 1 g all at once a bad thing?

Thanks again guys keep posting!

[beachguy in thongs]

http://www.cannabis.net/brain/index.html

The active compound in herbal cannabis, Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol, exerts all of its known central effects through the CB(1) cannabinoid receptor.
http://www.cannabis.net/neogenesis/index.html

Scientists said Thursday that marijuana appears to promote the development of new brain cells in rats and have anti-anxiety and anti-depressant effects, a finding that could have an impact on the national debate over medical uses of the drug.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/story/0,12976,1255752,00.html?=rss

...who suffers from retinitis pigmentosa and is officially registered blind. She noticed several years ago that drawing on strong Jamaican skunk suddenly and temporarily enabled her to see things clearly. But Ms Arnold has since warned of side-effects that could impede night-time navigation. "Only trouble was," she said, "I couldn't stand up."


We knew it gave people the munchies and made them giggle. Now researchers claim to have found a new property in cannabis - it helps us see in the dark.

[stoneberg]

I have a that to a slight degree, but i look at it more as opening my mind, after weed you really question things and think out of the box, out of reality, and more in an intellectual fashion, at least to me and a couple others I know. I think "psychosis" is just a scary connotation of "insight", its just a different insight into life after smoking weed, no mental illness like it might claim to be. Don't worry about it, there are many old, experienced stoners and the ones I've met all seem very wise, open minded folks.

[MelT]

I'm just drawing an 'animation' (five frames, dissolve to each) for a desktop background picture. This is the 'Life Mask of Joti Pa'al', the first frame. What do you think?

M

[Mr.N]

slightly confused on whats going on, but I like it.

[Baz2137]

I actually had an experience like this, i first smoked this new batch of haze from my dealer and i ended up feeling and hearing inside my head, bombs exploding, it bugged the life out of me, but i just sucked it up because i love smoking so much and do it on such a regular basis, it eventually stopped happening, i think i just reached a new peak of high for me tis all

[stoneberg]

MelT, Thats amazing! It really reminds me of a salvia trip I had. That is a really neat piece of art, the colors and lines blend together really well. Do you have a deviantart account? mines http://doormatt.deviantart.com/

[Mr.N]

Thanks for the post guys.. I have came to a conclusion.. I don't really like the side effects of weed and shit maybe I am inexperieced or whatever. But, I am thinking about quitting smoking...Thanks for your posts and keep them coming! Because these side effects should have worn off a couple days after I toke right? but for me it takes months or weeks... I hear random shit in my head, I see blue dots randomly, I feel out of touch with reality at times (I am starting to get ahold of this).. And the list goes on.

:rasta: :pimp: Like always guys, ToKe Up and be happy!:pimp: :rasta:


Mr.N out

[beachguy in thongs]

Thanks for the post guys.. I have came to a conclusion.. I don't really like the side effects of weed and shit maybe I am inexperieced or whatever. But, I am thinking about quitting smoking...Thanks for your posts and keep them coming! Because these side effects should have worn off a couple days after I toke right? but for me it takes months or weeks... I hear random shit in my head, I see blue dots randomly, I feel out of touch with reality at times (I am starting to get ahold of this).. And the list goes on.

:rasta: :pimp: Like always guys, ToKe Up and be happy!:pimp: :rasta:


Mr.N out

Knowing nothing about you, if you're not several years beyond puberty, then the rise in Melatonin levels might be a shock to your system. I don't know. I only smoked three times before I went to college. Took nine tabs of L.S.D., though.

[Mr.N]

I am 17, or I just turned 17. Is that to early? Is my body still getting used to it?

[mseerob]

Cannabis can precipitate the first episode of psychosis

----
It is believed that cannabis use may cause a condition known as a drug-induced psychosis or cannabis psychosis which:

* Can last up to a few days


You know what tho. That isnt bad at all. The reason why i say this is because it only lastes for a few days, it isnt like it will become permanent. I could see this happening to people tho if they are really heavy smokers.

[beachguy in thongs]

Hopefully, they "rein in" their psychosis before they hit the cannabis, hardcore.

[Mr.N]

Beach guy. Do you mean supress their psychosis before smoking? Do you think I am to young to be smoking? hmmm:stoned: :confused:

[Mr.N]

Then again its probably better if I quit smoking. Like someone here said, "a couple hours of fun isn't worth, irrepairable brain damage later." Or something to that extent, I am feeling a HELL of a lot normal lately and maybe its just better off if I quit smoking... Hmmm this is a pretty tuff decision..

[Mr.N]

bumpty boo!

[beachguy in thongs]

Beach guy. Do you mean supress their psychosis before smoking? Do you think I am to young to be smoking? hmmm:stoned: :confused:


Then again its probably better if I quit smoking. Like someone here said, "a couple hours of fun isn't worth, irrepairable brain damage later." Or something to that extent, I am feeling a HELL of a lot normal lately and maybe its just better off if I quit smoking... Hmmm this is a pretty tuff decision..

There are no studies that say that light-use of Marijuana is harmful. Even for pregnant women. But, as you grow up, a lot of your biological systems render Pot's effects useless. I'm thinking that because (they say) that the extent of recovery, from a head-injury, is greater as you age (probably, meaning that the effects of your endogenous cannabinoids may decline with age), and, because of the melatonin correlation, with puberty. Smoking Pot, as a pre-adult, would be like people, who aren't depressed, using Xanax.

I'm not sure what you were referring to, in the first quote, but, what I was talking about was how people, who are genetically predetermined to become psychotic, start feeling the chemical imbalance, before it's onset, and start smoking Pot to relieve the symptoms. Then the psychosis sets in. It may prevent it in some people, others' genes may be too powerful to prevent it.

[MeHeartGanja]

I am 17, or I just turned 17. Is that to early? Is my body still getting used to it?

dude in my opinion 17 is borderline, i started at late 17, early 18 to smoke. waited till the brains were mature...but everyone starts at 12 it seems and turns out more or less ok...as far as i know. some ppl are more susecptible than others....maybe you should slow down tho, keep the highs a bit lower as you get more used to it. it also depends on your mood...if youre in a good mood you should have a good high...if your in a shit mood...well all sorts of bad things could happen...dont be scared, never. a bit like mushrooms in a way. but BE CAREFUL! one of my best friends best friend went totally mad phycotic, ran about, and hit his head against a wall, fell into coma, and died. now i dont want to scare you...but its important youre well informed. i think if you go about it in a good safe happy way ull be fine

[Mr.N]

Then would you recommend smoking like once every 2 months? I do feel like my brain is sort of adapting to the cannabias better now, lol.. Not sure if I am just saying that as an excuse to smoke or what lol :dance: . But anyways, I do feel like my brain can't handle it at times. Like the negative effects last longer than they should. Sometimes for weeks and VERY RARELY MONTH's. This could be because of puberty:confused: .... Maybe the shit just isn't for me sadly :( :stoned: , then again there is always alcohal:dance: ..

[Mr.N]

MeHeartGanja, how old was your friend?

[Mr.N]

bump

[beachguy in thongs]

What do you smoke, when you smoke?

[Mr.N]

I think its all weed man.. KB, I feel like I can control that better than other shit. Hmmm, mid-green really fucks me up, Snow White fucked me over, Canadian weed(I did a lot of this) really fucked me up. Just fyi when I say it fucks me up, I mean like the "After effects" of the weed on my body. Like many weeks later. For example depression, anxiety, paranoia, psychosis. But as of yet, its pretty good. I jog a 1 and 1/2 miles everyday (excluding yesterday) and I havent smoked for a month. I feel pretty normal again, though sometimes I do battle depression just a tad.

[psychocat]

I was psychotic long before I ever tried any drugs !

[Mr.N]

Thats good to know lol...

[beachguy in thongs]

I think its all weed man.. KB, I feel like I can control that better than other shit. Hmmm, mid-green really fucks me up, Snow White fucked me over, Canadian weed(I did a lot of this) really fucked me up. Just fyi when I say it fucks me up, I mean like the "After effects" of the weed on my body. Like many weeks later. For example depression, anxiety, paranoia, psychosis. But as of yet, its pretty good. I jog a 1 and 1/2 miles everyday (excluding yesterday) and I havent smoked for a month. I feel pretty normal again, though sometimes I do battle depression just a tad.

No, wrong answer. I meant, (LOL), how much do you smoke, at one time? Do you smoke a joint? Half a joint? A bowl? More than a bowl? A blunt?

[beachguy in thongs]

Why teenagers should steer clear of cannabis

* 16:21 05 July 2006

Adolescents' use of marijuana may increase the risk of heroin addiction later in life, a new study suggests. Researchers say the work adds to "overwhelming" evidence that people under 21 should not use marijuana because of the risk of damaging the developing brain.

The idea that smoking cannabis increases the user's chance of going on to take harder drugs such as heroin is highly contentious. Some dub cannabis a â??gatewayâ?� drug, arguing that peer pressure and exposure to drug dealers will tempt users to escalate their drug use. Others insist that smoking cannabis is unrelated to further drug use.

Now research in rats suggests that using marijuana reduces future sensitivity to opioids, which makes people more vulnerable to heroin addiction later in life. It does so by altering the brain chemistry of marijuana users, say the researchers.

â??Adolescents in particular should never take cannabis â?? itâ??s far too risky because the brain areas essential for behaviour and cognitive functioning are still developing and are very sensitive to drug exposure,â?� says Jasmin Hurd, who led the study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.

But Hurd acknowledges that most people who use cannabis begin in their teens. A recent survey reported that as many as 20% of 16-year-olds in the US and Europe had illegally used cannabis in the previous month.

"Teenage" rats

In order to explore how the adolescent use of cannabis affects later drug use, Hurd and colleagues set up an experiment in rats aimed to mirror human use as closely as possible.

In the first part of the trial, six â??teenageâ?� rats were given a small dose of THC â?? the active chemical in cannabis â?? every three days between the ages of 28 and 49 days, which is the equivalent of human ages 12 to 18. The amount of THC given was roughly equivalent to a human smoking one joint every three days, Hurd explains. A control group of six rats did not receive THC.

One week after the first part was completed, catheters were inserted in all 12 of the adult rats and they were able to self-administer heroin by pushing a lever.

â??At first, all the rats behaved the same and began to self-administer heroin frequently,â?� says Hurd. â??But after a while, they stabilised their daily intake at a certain level. We saw that the ones that had been on THC as teenagers stabilised their intake at a much higher level than the others â?? they appeared to be less sensitive to the effects of heroin. And this continued throughout their lives.â?�

Hurd says reduced sensitivity to the heroin means the rats take larger doses, which has been shown to increase the risk of addiction.

Drug memory

The researchers then examined specific brain cells in the rats, including the opioid and cannabinoid receptors. They found that the rats that had been given THC during adolescence had a significantly altered opioid system in the area associated with reward and positive emotions. This is also the area linked to addiction.

â??These are very specific changes and they are long-lasting, so the brain may â??rememberâ?? past cannabis experimentation and be vulnerable to harder drugs later in life,â?� Hurd says.

Neurologist Jim van Os, a cannabis expert at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told New Scientist the research was a welcome addition to our understanding of how cannabis affects the adolescent brain.

â??The issue of cross-sensitisation of cannabis/opioid receptors has been a controversial one, but these findings show the drugâ??s damaging effects on the reward structures of the brain,â?� van Oshe says. â??There is now overwhelming evidence that nobody in the brainâ??s developmental stage â?? under the age of 21 â?? should use cannabis.â?�

The research appears in the online edition of Neuropsychopharmacology.

http://www.newscientist.com/search.ns;jsessionid=OPACGDBECFMD?doSearch=true&query=cannabis

[jamstigator]

If you're younger than 18-ish, I'd be judicious in my cannabis use. Why? Because there have been few, if any, studies done on the longterm effects of heavy cannabis use on a developing (e.g. young) brain. There might very well be some pretty harmful consequences. I don't *think* there is, but since there's no evidence either way, hey, it's your brain, it's YOU, and I'm not sure that getting high at that age is worth the risk.

On the other hand, I started smoking at 15, although not heavily until 18, and I came out more or less okay. This is why I suspect there may be no problems even for a young, developing brain. But still, there *could* be problems associated with heavy cannabis use on a developing brain, and I just happened to dodge that particular bullet. Who knows. You weigh the risks and make your own call; I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily a totally frivolous decision. But I don't have to live with the consequences of your decisions -- you do.

[beachguy in thongs]

If you're younger than 18-ish, I'd be judicious in my cannabis use. Why? Because there have been few, if any, studies done on the longterm effects of heavy cannabis use on a developing (e.g. young) brain. There might very well be some pretty harmful consequences. I don't *think* there is, but since there's no evidence either way, hey, it's your brain, it's YOU, and I'm not sure that getting high at that age is worth the risk.

On the other hand, I started smoking at 15, although not heavily until 18, and I came out more or less okay. This is why I suspect there may be no problems even for a young, developing brain. But still, there *could* be problems associated with heavy cannabis use on a developing brain, and I just happened to dodge that particular bullet. Who knows. You weigh the risks and make your own call; I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily a totally frivolous decision. But I don't have to live with the consequences of your decisions -- you do.

Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults
Peter Fried, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James and Robert Gray
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/166/7/887

[Mr.N]

When I smoke its usually just 1 g... This was before I quit.. Before I quit it would be 1 g and up.Rarely 2.5 gs, 2 gs around that area beach guy. Then when I finally decided to quit the last few times have been reduced to 1 g. NOW, when I smoked it wasn't a weekly thing. It was like once or twice a month, not in the same week. But give or take 1 or 2 weeks from when I last smoked. So I am what you call a "Light smoker". Hope this helps you guys..

[psychocat]

I think for some it is simply not their thing, I am a heavy smoker I guess.
I smoke on average 6-7 grammes a day every day, have done for 15 years now.

[jamstigator]

6-7 grams a day! Dayum! I did the math, and over 15 years that comes out to 72-84 pounds. When you die, can I have your lungs? I bet I'd get high smoking 'em! ;)

[Mr.N]

Damnnn psychocat, I give it up to you man, thats pretty impressive? No side effects what so ever?

[MelT]

MelT, Thats amazing! It really reminds me of a salvia trip I had. That is a really neat piece of art, the colors and lines blend together really well. Do you have a deviantart account? mines http://doormatt.deviantart.com/

Thanks Stoneberg.:) I just checked out Deviant and am trying to join now. You've got some nice stuff on there, you do mainly sculpture?

I was a computer games artist for a about 13 years (amiga, PC, etc), I do mainly photo-realistic stuff, a pixel at a time. Here's a link to a (cheap but free) site where I have some bits and pieces - I keep the trippier stuff under wraps:) :

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/__121b_LTKopomcrqIfS4/W/RzRE/E0OQIt6rO+pTLe6OQmiwr3e7/zPKhNiw==

Melt

[Mr.N]

Hey Melt, I kinda want to get into the videogame buisness. Haven any contacts or any advice to give to me?


Thanks man:thumbsup:

[Kryzco]

I just noticed with me is that I get super paranoid, even when I'm not stoned

but after a long enough break I'm back to normal

takes about two weeks for me to be completely normal

[SinisterK]

I think I had it temporarily. One night I made a ritz cracker+cheese+big ol bud. A few hours later I was in my garage in the fetal position, rocking back and forth as a smoked a cigarette, except with a mad scientist sorta look on my face. It felt really good though, thats why I got so creeped out.

[Mr.N]

hahah weird dude...

[joesapsycho]

i've been a chronic smoker for 10years (15-25yrs), and developed a cannabis induced psychosis which was pretty nasty. I ve had two episodes so far which were dreadful, words wont suffice. I had 2 bad acid trips as well, and cannabis just kept triggering it off...i was diagnosed as a schizoid and infact expereinced derangement when tripping on acid, pot, ket and xtc. From believing in being the divinely invested master of the universe reponsible for earthquakes and katrina, to paranoia about getting raped etc. Sadly even after having recovered, I am a cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit, ideas etc. My advice is, if you ever hear voices on pot, quit it!

[FAllout]

For some time now the idea that we are part of someone elss dream has been growing on me.
It started one night when I did to many(Or not enough!) GB hits then herd a girls choris sing row, row, row your boat in my head.

I actually kinda liek this idea though : )

[bhouncy]

I was diagnosed schizophrenic after not smoking weed for a few years. Then I stupidly went to Amsterdam and sampled the fine wares on show. 3 weeks after returning I had my first major panic attack.. if any of you have seen American Psycho then I was in the sort of state the guy was at the end of that movie. I thought the doctors treating me were all in on the conspiracy to eliminate me. It's funny to look back on now. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. It's all a learning experience. I just don't give a fuck anymore. Fear is not an option.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

Cannabis psychosis... ahhh. Mental health!

Most people who develop cannabis psychosis were pre-disposed to the condition of schizophrenia/schizoid personality disorder/ scho-anything. These are all psychotic conditions which are made worse by smoking cannabis. Psychotic individuals usually show similar symptoms, including but not limited to : delusions of any sort, hallucinations (most commonly auditory hallucinations), paranoia, catatonic state, dementia-like symptoms, incoherence, and any combination of the above listed.

Psychotic illnesses are usually considered genetic; however it is still unknown what exactly causes psychotic illness.

Cannabis, while being in a class of its own, can be regarded as a hallucinogen. This being said, hallucinogens can generally trigger some pretty horrible reactions in people who are mentally ill or predisposed to mental illness.

I have an uncle who is schizophrenic, i know a few schizophrenics, and I have even had my experiences with psychosis from LSA. In observing each person's behavior, I can only say that each person has a unique case, ranging in severity from severely paranoid and delusional to mildly "out there". What one must realize is that these people do not understand the true nature of their illness. When one is paranoid, delusional, or hallucinating and acting erratic, you must understand what it is that drives a person to behave in such a strange way. You must understand that this person's behavior is a reaction to their inner conflict and personal, emotional experiences. You must understand that the person's behavior is a response to their environment (or perceived environment) and to what they are experiencing.

When a person experiences auditory hallucinations the experience can be very scary. This is because a psychotic person is usually unaware of their own psychotic condition. For example, when my uncle got out of Desert Storm and had his first psychotic episode, he reported hearing voices and was behaving strangely. He described hearing these voices as coming from outside his head-- in his own words, it sounded "like stereo sound all around me". Now think about it for a moment--how would you personally feel if you were hearing people insult you, or running a commentary on your behavior, and you looked around to see where it was coming from, and there is nobody around you? You might start to doubt your own mind. This is where it begins--the very notion that you are going crazy, and can't trust your own judgement.

This experience can be quite frightening, and will often put psychotic individuals "over the edge". There are feelings of confusion and fear and panic, for several reasons-- such as the realization that , as an individiual, you cannot trust your own judgement. Combined with hallucinations and delusions, one ultimately becomes psychotic.

I think the best way to cope with psychosis is to educate yourself from a clinical standpoint. You'll find that what you are experiencing personally and what is written in psychology textbooks often go hand-in-hand... understanding that it's all a chemical imbalance in your brain is the first step in recovery, in my opinion.

[MelT]

Excellent posting there ICW, really to the point.

MelT

[Platinum Plus]

i don't think it's psychosis
it just happens that sometimes when your sober
you'll feel something from the last time you got high
read that somewhere...

[mrdevious]

i've been a chronic smoker for 10years (15-25yrs), and developed a cannabis induced psychosis which was pretty nasty. I ve had two episodes so far which were dreadful, words wont suffice. I had 2 bad acid trips as well, and cannabis just kept triggering it off...i was diagnosed as a schizoid and infact expereinced derangement when tripping on acid, pot, ket and xtc. From believing in being the divinely invested master of the universe reponsible for earthquakes and katrina, to paranoia about getting raped etc. Sadly even after having recovered, I am a cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit, ideas etc. My advice is, if you ever hear voices on pot, quit it!

I find this highly suspicious considering this is his/her first and only post. An anti-cannabis lurker trying to disuade us perhapse? Even so, I'm sure the acid, X, and special-K wouldn't help.

[Abattoir Dream]

However, in some cases, cannabis use may contribute to the development of a psychosis such as schizophrenia which:

* Constitutes a serious mental illness for the majority of people with the disorder

* Is characterised by hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, paranoia, self-neglect, thought withdrawal, and speech disorders like associative or incoherent speech

and

* Tends to respond less well to treatment than cannabis psychosis

Why does that come as no surprise? lol i must have that or something very similar, sometimes i see things that arent there, mostly the same weird guy, and i hear strange things alot too, i definately have withdrawn myself socially... i hardly EVER go out, i know for a fact im paranoid to fuck.. i also guess i neglect myself, but not to any great extent..

and when i went to the doctors their medication screwed me up even more...

probably the one thing that has helped me the most would be accepting the fact im going crazy, i find i have more control when i know its not really me wanting to do something bad....

[Delta9 UK]

Sadly even after having recovered, I am a cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit, ideas etc. My advice is, if you ever hear voices on pot, quit it!

Still got enough memory to register on this forum, respond to an email confirmation, write a coherent post (with good grammar too) that is also kind of funny too, in its own special way i.e. Acid, MDMA, Ketamine (FFS!) - but it was the Pot that fucked you up....riiiight

So I don't see how you are cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit or ideas - etc ;) Your post reeks of doublethink.

Unless I don't smell bacon? DEA? Christian far right? DARE?

To be fair though, I think if anyone heard voices on pot, they would quit.

[Crystalline Green]

I'll tell you this, cannabis psychosis is extremely possible. I suffered from it for 6 months. It usually comes after your first long session of smoking (more than a few months) that you partake in. You get so lost in your thoughts that are caused by the marijuana, that you slowly begin layering on a number of mental disorders. Paranoia, derealization, depersonalization, depression, anxiety are all caused by YOU, and the way you're letting your mind get warped.

I cured my "Cannabis psychosis" by taking a 6-month break from marijuana, then smoking again and basically going into my brain and reorganizing the way I think. When I first smoked, I walked around this club and realized that I was a very special person compared to these people. That knocked off the low self esteem layer I packed on through my first period of smoking. I smoked again at my house a few days later, and knocked off another layer. and I kept on every few days, basically realigning my thinking pattern and getting it back to a positive state of mind. It works!

From now on when you smoke, remember not to let yourself get lost. Make sure to tell yourself that you're high and be yourself. Don't lose it.

[Trip06]

I deffenetly Went through some of these dissorders too. When I keep use of any substance in moderation I have more control. Try and keep a free mind when using stuff, negative thoughts have deffenetly caused bad times for me in the past. Its kinda like being bipolar or something. If im feeling good and do stuff It amplifies my happyness and I have a great time. If I at all start thinking shitty Its a spiral down. I been taking things slow for the last 3 to 4 months getn back on track. Glad to know Im not the only one. Great Links to Information!

[realos]

yo. Has been good to read through this thread.
Thought id pitch in with my experience. the weed at least contributed to problems. Smoked since early-mid teens maybe weekly maximum then caned it hard from roughly 17 for about five years. The last year or so of that was pretty hellish. Extremely sketchy and anxious most of the time. Was a gradual fade in of these symptoms but ended up being unable to smoke anymore because I was so uncomfortable even around good friends etc. felt like I was going insane even in what actually were (and had been for years), or should be, very relaxing situations. god knows why I carried on for so long but as I say the fade in of the fear I was getting was subtle, I denied that it was happening, and tried to con myself it wasnâ??t. nothing to do with being influenced by others but many mates caned it up pretty hard and I always had enjoyed it too. So have stopped for a year now. Still a complete wreck in any social situation. Ostracised from many old friends because I cant handle seeing people in what should be relaxing situations. Its not quite the same intense discomfort as when I felt dodgy when stoned but still very uncomfortable. Drink too much to cope when with friends I still do see. Probably sounds like ive completely lost it and in some ways I have. Have pretty much ended up with some sort of anxiety disorder. Though it feels like it when in an uncomfortable situation I know that I havenâ??t completely gone because I donâ??t experience (or at least donâ??t think I do, haha) any psychotic symptoms; I just completely cake myself in any situations involving eye contact (quite a few situations!)I realise its completely illogical, try to fight through it but I cant help it when put in many situations. The fact that there are a few people im ok with and I have some good relationships shows that there is some hope. However, It is a complete nightmare basically and is completely fucking up my life and relationships with people. There have been a few other issues going on but im certain this wouldnâ??t have happened if I hadnâ??t blown a good chunk of my mind with pot. Totally not preaching, people can do what they want but too much good gear definitely screws some people. Know a few people whove experienced similar negative effects of weed though not to this extent. Hopefully the anx will go (it needs to) and some evidence of the last year suggests that but it aint budging at the moment. Wondering if anyoneâ??s heard any similar stories/ had similar experiences and what the hell happened to break the person out of their shit!? Know this is a long post and being awake for the last 2 days probably means its pretty damn fragmented but hell

[N3D FLANDERS]

Anybody else on this? Please........

Umm maybe call a doctor.
I don't know how much you trust them but its an idea.

[realos]

cheers for advice. definatley sensible. have seen a doctor and im assured that i am not psychotic though the heavy smoking likely messed me up, gave me the initial problems, and now a constant cycle of reinforcement of negative thoughts keeps it going (have basically got used to living in a kind of fear of collapsing in certain situations and so my mind is conditioned to it). could go on benzos or antidepressants but id just get stuck on those and it would only mask problems not cure them. i hate the way the medical industry promotes that stuff anyway so im not sure how much i trust them as you enquired. promising how the prognosis is good anyway although it doesnt feel like that at times. have just got to chill the hell out and should sort itself out like it has before. main message is what many people advise on this thread, dont smoke too skunk too young (think def wait till 18 till you smoke heavily if youre going to) although i would absolutely not have listened to my advice in a while back..

[realos]

i mean 'too much skunk too young'

[notransfer]

i had it full blown, it lasted roughly 10 days..i was hospitalized

[notransfer]

im bipolar, which was diagnosed after ( about a year later) marijuana induced psychosis, it happened because a hit for me would be cashing the bong in a deep single rip and doing it in excess of 20 times a day, at one point i didnt sleep, then i didnt eat, thought people were vampiric etc.

ive been off it for 4 months, i dont miss it because the normal good feeling high i no longer recieve instead i feel uncomfortable in my body and overly paranoid..
its like my body evolved to give me signals upon getting high that it doesnt like it..

in retrospect i smoked too much in my life...binge drank too much at that also when i recently turned 21 in april..its been 4 months without mary and alc...the only thing i do now is cigs..

weed psycho. is real, but rare, and you need to reaaaallly be over doing it and other lifestyle factors greatly come in to play when it comes to ones mental state.

[trem0lo]

Maybe weed interferes with the still-developing brain. I've read some studies that support this. Given the demographic around here, there are A LOT of people under the age of 20 that complain about negative side effects of weed.

The frontal lobe of the male brain stops developing in the late 20s, fyi. Don't do too many drugs now kids :)

[Matt the Funk]

I only had depression and hypomania, then I smoked weed and had the ability to have full blown mania. But weed helps depression and hypomania so it's all good.

[realos]

I'll tell you this, cannabis psychosis is extremely possible. I suffered from it for 6 months. It usually comes after your first long session of smoking (more than a few months) that you partake in. You get so lost in your thoughts that are caused by the marijuana, that you slowly begin layering on a number of mental disorders. Paranoia, derealization, depersonalization, depression, anxiety are all caused by YOU, and the way you're letting your mind get warped.

I cured my "Cannabis psychosis" by taking a 6-month break from marijuana, then smoking again and basically going into my brain and reorganizing the way I think. When I first smoked, I walked around this club and realized that I was a very special person compared to these people. That knocked off the low self esteem layer I packed on through my first period of smoking. I smoked again at my house a few days later, and knocked off another layer. and I kept on every few days, basically realigning my thinking pattern and getting it back to a positive state of mind. It works!

From now on when you smoke, remember not to let yourself get lost. Make sure to tell yourself that you're high and be yourself. Don't lose it.

was interesting to read your point about reorganising your mind whilst stoned. recently did something similar after smoking after having not smoked for ages. if youve read my first msg in this thread youll realise the potential for insanity was definatley there by adopting this method but shit was pretty bad so was worth a try. seems to have worked. dont know about realising such a special person part but basically stopped giving a fuck and it has helped problem s a lot.

[Captain Hanks]

The above posters quote seems to prove my prior point. It's all psychological.

[cjshamrock]

I had this friend who I used to hang out with, one day he smoked too much and started freaking out, saying he was seeing my face morph into monsters and and other people from his past. I think he's borderline schizophrenic, so it probably wasn't a good idea for him to smoke.

[MelT]

The above posters quote seems to prove my prior point. It's all psychological.

I'd have to disagree to some extent. Some is certainly psychological, but a lot of other factors are in play too. Diet, caffiene/chemical intake from things like soda - everything and anything you do affects the high.

MelT

[robert42]

in my gods honest opionion i dont think there is a link from cannabis to a mental health problem BUT i do think that most people who have metnal health problems are much much more likely to smoke... i have seen it with my own eyes people who already havea condtion they smoke, some are fine, some arent but the ones that arent blame pot.

[MadSativa]

I totaly think you are getting a handle on this and you can think your self into and out of a hole. I get kidney stones and the pain sometimes is so great it sends my body into shock. I have litterly thought my self out of a heart attack buy mentaly grasping ahold of the pain and meditading smoking for pain and breathing along with staying hydrated. It is scary sometimes it actualy feels like I am fighting for my life, then a milasecond later I feel calm collected the weed helps the pain and I mentaly have to calm my body down, endorphins and adrenaline rush though my body and I dont get high from the weed I just get numb in the areas where the pain is. I dont recomend anyone try this method or they might find you dead days or hours later. Socrates was right in that quote sometime only when near death or in an alterd state or reality can you achive the next level or clearity of the actual moment in reality. Thats why you see Navy Seals take and adjust to intense pain, stress, physical and mental demands. because basicaly they dont mind and it dont matter

[MadSativa]

I had to add "be like water" water does not fight it addapts. if yu are in pain become pain if you are in war become war if you thoughts get the best of you become your thoughts get the best of them