Any shooters in here?

[Big Calhoun]

So, how many of us shoot around here? By shooting, I don't mean you've got a 'gat' and you shoot at cans while holding said 'gat' in a sideways-gangsta style. I mean you collect, are knowledgable, and are RESPONSIBLE when it comes to firearms.

Anyway, been shooting since I was about 6. I currently have 3 semi-automatics: HK USP 45, Beretta 96FS (.40), and a Springfield XD 45.

[Bong30]

Cal
i dont know if we can post pics

nice guns though......

and yes i got my hunters saftey at 12

SAFTEY FIRST.........

[friendowl]

im not all that into guns
but i got me a glock 21 [45 auto]
a 38 snubnose [colt]
and a mossberg pump with a pistol grip and sawed off barrel[my favorite]

too many guns around here
i think cross-bow's are crazy

[Big Calhoun]

Ooops, well a mod can remove them if need be. I apologize if it's not allowed. I tried to keep this a mature thread by differentiating between the gangsta wannabes and those of us that understand the art of markmanship. Believe me, the last thing I want is some teeny-bopper coming in telling us how his 'dawg let him use his 'gat' and now he wants a Glock of his own. Those kind of folks make the rest of us look bad.

[flamingskullballs]

SKS
Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 guage
Remington 597 .22 LR
Ruger .22 MAG revolver
Winchester featherweight .270
Mossberg ducks unlimeted special edition 12 guage

[geonagual]

I don't own any rifles or pistols these days but I did love to shoot at targets, moving targets, vehicles and silouettes (personell) when I was in the military. I have fired and qualified on every weapon that a infantryman has access too. Including lots of other countries light machine guns. I still like to go out with friends once in awhile and fire their weapons. My longest accurate shot was with a tow missle was at a tank at a distance of 3500 meters. My favorite weapon of all is still the M16.

[Big Calhoun]

I like to shoot for stress relief and to stay in practice/accurate. I hunted when I was younger but haven't done so in years

@friendowl - Shooting a crossbow is something I want to try. Those things look like they'll do some damage. A little to big to use as a concealed carry weapon though.

[digweed]

can anyone tell me what it is with Americans and guns?

[hahaitsdoogle]

my brother in law, just got Excellent in his sniping divison ( i hear ) 500 yard shot with a glow in the dark target. night time. 5 -10 mph winds. Bullseye

[Big Calhoun]

can anyone tell me what it is with Americans and guns?

Because we can and because some of our fellow Americans are crazy and devoid of common sense. Firearms aren't always about killing. In fact, you'll find alot of Americans that own firearms and have concealed licenses, but still find it hard to draw on someone.

Firearms are beuatiful pieces of machinery and are simply tools. The responsibility for them always fall with its users. Markmanship, in and of itself, is a tremendous skill. I don't know how many times I've seen a newbie at the range think they just pull the trigger and fire and the gun magically works. There is alot of practice that goes into being accurate.

Besides, what guy doesn't like things that go BOOM!!!.

[Cooler Then Jesus]

ive got a Soviet SKS 7.62 Full/semi sutomatic, detachable 30 rnd magazine (x3) and a .22 short 5 shot revolver for when i get a concealed carry, hoping to have a colt .25 by then though.

[da haze meister]

ive got a Soviet SKS 7.62 Full/semi sutomatic, detachable 30 rnd magazine (x3) and a .22 short 5 shot revolver for when i get a concealed carry, hoping to have a colt .25 by then though.
lol @ .25 for concealed carry
that shit is like a bb gun
my friend knows someone who was hit 12 time by a .25
and survived
all center mass too
but anyway 1 sec lemme find the pics

[Big Calhoun]

Well, stopping power of a bullet is determined by caliber and placement. Folks have died from a single .22 round, folks have survived multiple .45 rounds. At a forum I go to, a guy was just relaying how his father (a cop) shot a guy with a .357. The round never penetrated the skull; it simply broke skin, travelled the back of the skull, and exited. It's all about shot placement.

[da haze meister]

heres the only pictures of my guns i have on hand right now
its a 9mm SigPro SP 2009 by SigArms
and a 9mm USP Compact by Heckler and Koch Gmbh.
i also have an assortment of other ones including
mossberg 500 persuader pistol grip pump
vietnam era m14 with synthetic stock
romainian AKM with 90 round drum mag and a bunch of 30 rd.
a couple m1911 series .45's

[da haze meister]

Well, stopping power of a bullet is determined by caliber and placement. Folks have died from a single .22 round, folks have survived multiple .45 rounds. At a forum I go to, a guy was just relaying how his father (a cop) shot a guy with a .357. The round never penetrated the skull; it simply broke skin, travelled the back of the skull, and exited. It's all about shot placement.
well dude...
i have had this debate on multiple forums
the fact is
refer here http://world.guns.ru/ammo/am02-e.htm
a .45 is 5 times more powerful
than a .25auto colt.
i will take a .45 any day just for the sheer stopping power
now in some instances it is overkill
for instance a .44mag
overkill's definition
i have shot one of those
it almost twisted my wrist right off
and put a hole the size of my fist in a concrete barrier
only the entry hole
but still
powerful
and pointless unless for hunting
but that chart must be inaccurate cause it shows that 9mm is more powerful than .45
in the words of those crazy brits
bollocks

[friendowl]

.25 for concealed carry
that shit is like a bb gun
my friend knows someone who was hit 12 time by a .25
and survived
all center mass too

some how i doubt this
when you get hit with a .25
the bullets most likely wont go thru you
they will probobly bounce off a bone and
turn into a pinball inside your body.
.25 calibers are worse to get shot with than
a big gun in my opinion[better not to get shot at all]

[Cooler Then Jesus]

hey haze, couldent help but noticew the hammerss were back =\











but sig sauer`s kickass becasue they have decockers. =)

[da haze meister]

.25 for concealed carry
that shit is like a bb gun
my friend knows someone who was hit 12 time by a .25
and survived
all center mass too

some how i doubt this
when you get hit with a .25
the bullets most likely wont go thru you
they will probobly bounce off a bone and
turn into a pinball inside your body.
.25 calibers are worse to get shot with than
a big gun in my opinion[better not to get shot at all]
well i dunno.. but this kid isnt a liar... and i have heard about it other places
STC's apparently did it
all i know is i went to a range, and my uncle who was a military weapons expert had ballistics gel and concrete blocks and shit
and we tested 177 hmr, .223, .22lr, .25, 30.06 .32, .38, 9mm, 7.62 short and long, .45, .40, .44, .357, 12 gauge, 20 gauge, 410 and .50BMG (not desert eagle .50, browning m2 .50) at the military range.
the .25 caused less of a cavity then the .22 and they were both hollow points
it actually pierced right through. and left a small cavity behind
the .50 put a 1.5 inch wide hole in it, no cavity variations, and just went right through.
the .45 was perfect, a JHP fragmented inside and just fuckin tumbled through, the FMJ created a cavity that peaked at 2 inches then went out the other end.
the 12 gauge with 00 buckshot fired from my own mossberg did the most damage, it actually ripped apart some of the gel.

and the rifle rounds performed surprisingly well, piercing an inch of steel and still goin through to the ballistics gell
the shit we had was clear tho, not that yellow shit.
and i got to fire a .50!!
this was last summer tho.
uncle got mouth cancer since then.

[da haze meister]

hey haze, couldent help but noticew the hammerss were back =\










but sig sauer`s kickass becasue they have decockers. =)
yeah man
not as if they were loaded
i had just cocked back the slides to put in snap caps
and i forgot to fuckin decock the fuckers

[Cooler Then Jesus]

yeah man
not as if they were loaded
i had just cocked back the slides to put in snap caps
and i forgot to fuckin decock the fuckers


yep, Sig sauer pistols fucking rock. i love them. rock solid. but, till the day i die i will dream of a .45acp 1911 Ithaca. or a kimber =)

[canucktoker]

can anyone tell me what it is with Americans and guns?


Its insanity, even on a peaceful pot chat they feel the need to talk up their weapons (not tools weapons).
Nothing good from americans ownership of guns. Even your vice president cant handle one safely, there is no such thing as safe gun ownership. Its like saying you can posess plutonium safely.
Access to guns is why your nations murder rate is so high. And ive heard all your excuses about gun states being safer yadda yadda. You still have an insane murder rate in america, and its because of guns.
There is something wrong with the brains people who collect guns, or who carry one for protection.

[da haze meister]

yep, Sig sauer pistols fucking rock. i love them. rock solid. but, till the day i die i will dream of a .45acp 1911 Ithaca. or a kimber =)
lol i own a kimber.
this one
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/custom/stainless.php
only with pachmyrs on it instead of that gay grip

[da haze meister]

Its insanity, even on a peaceful pot chat they feel the need to talk up their weapons (not tools weapons).
Nothing good from americans ownership of guns. Even your vice president cant handle one safely, there is no such thing as safe gun ownership. Its like saying you can posess plutonium safely.
Access to guns is why your nations murder rate is so high. And ive heard all your excuses about gun states being safer yadda yadda. You still have an insane murder rate in america, and its because of guns.
There is something wrong with the brains people who collect guns, or who carry one for protection.
ok buddy
ummm
im not even gonna glorify that shit by flaming you.
i own you.
we own.
yes we do.
yuh huh.
i have guns.
im not fucked up.
yer fuckin cops ride around on horses
wtf

[orangeman]

heres the only pictures of my guns i have on hand right now
its a 9mm SigPro SP 2009 by SigArms
and a 9mm USP Compact by Heckler and Koch Gmbh.
i also have an assortment of other ones including
mossberg 500 persuader pistol grip pump
vietnam era m14 with synthetic stock
romainian AKM with 90 round drum mag and a bunch of 30 rd.
a couple m1911 series .45's

Those are nice, sell me a .45 for $100 LOL

[da haze meister]

Those are nice, sell me a .45 for $100 LOL
stop askin me david
or ill post the pic of u with the 38

[canucktoker]

ok buddy
ummm
im not even gonna glorify that shit by flaming you.
i own you.
we own.
yes we do.
yuh huh.
i have guns.
im not fucked up.
yer fuckin cops ride around on horses
wtf


Did your bad public schools not equip you with skills to debate? Did you think i am black? Because no one "owns" me, you are the one living under a facist dictator

[da haze meister]

Did your bad public schools not equip you with skills to debate? Did you think i am black? Because no one "owns" me, you are the one living under a facist dictator
i was joking dude...
calm down.
you're a fuckin racist, man.

[Big Calhoun]

Its insanity, even on a peaceful pot chat they feel the need to talk up their weapons (not tools weapons).
Nothing good from americans ownership of guns. Even your vice president cant handle one safely, there is no such thing as safe gun ownership. Its like saying you can posess plutonium safely.
Access to guns is why your nations murder rate is so high. And ive heard all your excuses about gun states being safer yadda yadda. You still have an insane murder rate in america, and its because of guns.
There is something wrong with the brains people who collect guns, or who carry one for protection.

Well, for one, this was meant to be a mature discussion about the responsible use of firearms. OK, I'll let you slide with "there is no such thing as safe gun ownership" as accidents can and do happen. However, there is also a responsibility involved and that is a whole separate factor.

How do you logically think we should eliminate the 'gun problem' of America. Why not go in and just sieze every weapon? Highly illegal. Fact is, even if the government said right now, guns are banned, you would never cease the flow of weapons. Those that have them will not neccessarily give them up and those without will begin to fear those with, and possibly get them themselves.

I'm not making a judgement that civilian ownership of firearms is right or wrong. But while I have the right to possess them and those that shouldn't can also acquire them, I will protect myself and my family.

Aside from this, firearms are machinery. They are crafted to perform a function and each model varies in its details. I can take a Van Gogh and smash you over the head with it, does that take away from the artistry? Should we now ban all picture frames because a person makes a decision to use it in a way that it wasn't intended?

[Abyss]

you are the one living under a facist dictator


Yes, we do live under a fascist dictator. All the more reason to own guns.
It is because Americans owned guns that we were able to gain our independence. Far more people are killed each day with more common things such as cars than with guns. I guess outlawing cars would be the smart thing to do then, right? Of course not, teaching responsible ownership of cars and the safe handling of them is by far a smarter thing to do. In America there is a gun registration program in most states and criminal background checks in all before you can purchase a firearm. The number of crimes committed by people with legally registered handguns---- 0....that's Zero. Point is, people who commit crimes with guns gained them through illegal channels and would gain such weapons even if they were made illegal. Just take a look at Washington DC for an example, handgun ownership is not legal there and it has one of the highest rates of handgun violence in the US. Making guns illegal will not solve the worldâ??s problems....or even make a positive difference. The only thing it will do is take the ability away from good people to defend themselves in an effective way.
I am OK with you not owning a gun, or even liking guns. But please don't try and take rights away from me just because you feel this way. If you did you would be no better than the DEA. They feel MJ is bad and contributes to the death and ruined lives of many people, so they fight to keep it illegal and imprison those who feel different.

Hurting others is about a choice not a weapon.
You choose to do it and would do it even if guns did not exist.... Just look at the Roman Empire...They didn't have guns and killed many thousands.
Stop blaming a piece of steel and start holding people accountable for their actions.
Is alcohol to blame when someone drives drunk and kills a mother and her babies? No. The person driving the car is. Should we outlaw all Alcohol? Or should we increase the penalties for such a crime and enforce it?

We should all have our free agency to choose right from wrong. And we do. Laws are like door locks, there to keep honest men honest and would in no way stop people from committing horrible crimes.

I really don't understand how someone who thinks that the government has no right to tell them what they can or can not do with themselves in regards to consumption of drugs or other things can say that the government has the right to imprison those who have done nothing more than own a weapon. Which is what would happen if they were made illegal.
I may or may not own guns but if I did it would be so I could protect my family and self from anyone who would like to hurt them or me. Is that wrong? No.

Abyss

[da haze meister]

well said abyss.
why is it that whenever there is a thread about guns
someone has to come turn it into a debate?

[benagain]

I love to go shooting whenever I get a chance and will shoot anything that's given to me. I keep a .40 S&W and a .22 i used to use for squirrel hunting around the house. Nothing wrong with guns, just people who don't know how they work or how to use them. Ohh and the vice pres is a dumbass. 'Nuff said.

[OtterPop]

I got an old SKS but it needs to be cleaned and shit, cost me like 110 bucks, when i get a new handguard and stock ill post some pics up


anyone else with a SKS know if its possible to convert a sks from stripper clips to mags???

[OtterPop]

I was in the bookstore today and saw a book that was talking about how the UN has the power to bascially abolish our 2nd amendment, anyone know anything about this??

[Cleveland]

lol @ .25 for concealed carry
that shit is like a bb gun
my friend knows someone who was hit 12 time by a .25
and survived
all center mass too
but anyway 1 sec lemme find the pics

a 5.56mm round that get fired from an M16/M4/M249 is only .223 cal. that's about the same size as a .22. Those rounds bounce around your insides and tear up.

[da haze meister]

what up cleveland
actually
a .223 is 30 to 50 times as powerful as a .22. it is a matter of the type and amount of propellant. that is why a .223's case is so huge. also, most .22s are JSP or wadcutters with little to no metal jacket and/or non lead material. making them perfect to plink with. a .22 can not go through 2 layers of kevlar, while a .223 can easily go through 40.

[GreenEyesRed]

why not take advantage of every right we can... Firearms are great, as long as you're responsible and respect them. These are enough for everday carry.

[da haze meister]

why not take advantage of every right we can... Firearms are great, as long as you're responsible and respect them. These are enough for everday carry.
damn
i used to have a glock 19
nice score dude

[canucktoker]

"Yes, we do live under a fascist dictator. All the more reason to own guns. "

Sure, you and the other nra hicks are actually going to do something about that. Let me know when so i can watch military massacare you on cnn


"Of course not, teaching responsible ownership of cars and the safe handling of them is by far a smarter thing to do."


Theres no such things as safe ownership of guns. Cars have a legimate purpose. A handgun has no purpose other than murder.



"In America there is a gun registration program in most states and criminal background checks in all before you can purchase a firearm"


Worthless, does nothing to stop criminals from getting guns. Legitimate gun owners are the problem.




"The number of crimes committed by people with legally registered handguns---- 0....that's Zero."


And yet when you house gets broken into you seem to think that negates all responsibilty. You bought the gun, but dont want to keep it safe. Every day i see you so called responsible gun owners get your guns stolen, and u seem to think u have no responsibity for what happens with that gun. All the guns in the hands of criminals came from you people orginally.


"Point is, people who commit crimes with guns gained them through illegal channels and would gain such weapons even if they were made illegal."


Not so. Illegal guns came from legal sources originally. Banning their sale would prevent them from even being made.



" But please don't try and take rights away from me just because you feel this way. "


Your "rights" endanger the community. If you want to shoot on a range and leave the pistol locked up there i have no problem with it. I do have a problem with any nut being able to build an arsenal in his house. That endangers the community, and thats where your "rights" should end, when they put my kids in the cross fire. Should be able to build bombs too? Its the person who detonates it not the bombs fault etc



"Stop blaming a piece of steel and start holding people accountable for their actions. "


Thats not an argument, its a slogan guns dont kill yadda yadda. You can give life to everyone who pulls the trigger, wont do a damn thing.
Where do you draw the line? Rocket launchers? Machine guns? ICBMS? Those are all just peiaces of metal too. The atomic bomb didnt kill those people in hiroshima, the person who dropped it did? Thats just semantics. Guns kill.



"I really don't understand how someone who thinks that the government has no right to tell them what they can or can not do with themselves in regards to consumption of drugs or other things can say that the government has the right to imprison those who have done nothing more than own a weapon."


My drug use harms only me. Your gun endangers many.



"I may or may not own guns but if I did it would be so I could protect my family and self from anyone who would like to hurt them or me. Is that wrong? No. "


Who are these mystery men who want to hurt you? Home invaders? You go look at stats for who get home invaded, its all drug dealers. I dont believe in using a gun for self defence, thats illegal almost everywhere outside the usa, and should be. Certainly not in a suburban setting, thats the height of irresponsibilty, to fire a gun into a dense neighbourhood because u heard a bump in the nite. Using a gun for self defence should be a crime.

At the end of the day you want me to trust that people with guns arent going to shoot me or my kids. And if they do all you can offer is longer sentences for the person who pulled the trigger. Thats not good enough, i want to be safe from gun violence, and the only way to do that is ban guns.

[OtterPop]

lets just sum this up right


when you take a gun in your hand it becomes an extention of you, its apart of you, thats why you feel what you feel when you fire it.....

Its people....not guns!

[Abyss]

[QUOTE=canucktoker]
"Sure, you and the other nra hicks are actually going to do something about that. Let me know when so i can watch military massacare you on cnn"

wow, great start to your retort...calling names.


"Theres no such things as safe ownership of guns."

No such thing? Then you say---"If you want to shoot on a range and leave the pistol locked up there i have no problem with it." So the gun range has some magical super special locks that criminals can't break? Wow, that's good to know...I need to get one of those.




"Legitimate gun owners are the problem."

So the people who obey the law are the problem not those who are breaking the law and harming others. Got it.:thumbsup:


You say this--- "And yet when you house gets broken into you seem to think that negates all responsibilty. Every day i see you so called responsible gun owners get your guns stolen, and u seem to think u have no responsibity for what happens with that gun. All the guns in the hands of criminals came from you people orginally.and then you say----"Who are these mystery men who want to hurt you? Home invaders? You go look at stats for who get home invaded, its all drug dealers."

So, which is it? do people break into homes? or not? Because if they do then maybe I should be able to stop them from say raping my wife? But if the "mystery men" don't really exist then who steals all these guns? Who kills people with them? and puts "your children in danger"?


"Not so. Illegal guns came from legal sources originally."

Those darn "mystery men" breaking into houses again right?


"Where do you draw the line? Rocket launchers? Machine guns? ICBMS? Those are all just peiaces of metal too. The atomic bomb didnt kill those people in hiroshima, the person who dropped it did? Thats just semantics. Guns kill."

If guns are to blame how come they just don't arrest the guns? Yah, that's it! we need to build prisons for guns! Then they won't go around shooting people.


"My drug use harms only me. Your gun endangers many."

So, if your child stumbles onto your Stash of lets say lsd or Smack or Coke, or pick one...and your kid ODs it still only hurts you right?

"Using a gun for self defence should be a crime."

Where as using your hands, or a knife, or a rock, or a car, or a pen, or a fill in the blank, is ok? Or should we just all lay down and take what ever those Mystery Men want to do to us and our families?

At the end of the day you want me to trust that people with guns arent going to shoot me or my kids. And if they do all you can offer is longer sentences for the person who pulled the trigger. Thats not good enough, i want to be safe from gun violence, and the only way to do that is ban guns.

Yah, worked in washington dc...oh, wait no it didn't. In brazil guns are illegal but some how people are still dieing from gun shot wounds....how can that be? I mean, people must know that their not allowed to have them and no one would ever break the law....that would make them criminals! ::::GASP!::::

Abyss

PS. I want you to notice that I didn't have to resort to calling names to win this debate. All though I think there may be some sarcasm in there somewhere.

[Sauce]

I used to have a bushmaster ar15 but now i got a glock 19. Soon i'll get the glock 21

[tadaa]

Access to guns is why your nations murder rate is so high.

Care to prove that scientifically instead of just spouting off your opinion at the mouth? You do realize there is a difference between opinion and fact, right?



There is something wrong with the brains people who collect guns, or who carry one for protection.

Yea, those crazy nuts who want to protect their own life and their familes are just insane.

A gun can kill someone, so can a toy car if you smash them over the head with it 100 times. So, going by your logic, there has to be something wrong with the brain of a 7 year old that collects toy cars because it is an instrument that can be used to kill. Your logic is flawed, and horifically juvenile. Take some basic ethics classes before you go preaching your bullshit on these forums because your point of view is so narrow minded it isn't even funny.

[da haze meister]

Care to prove that scientifically instead of just spouting off your opinion at the mouth? You do realize there is a difference between opinion and fact, right?



Yea, those crazy nuts who want to protect their own life and their familes are just insane.

A gun can kill someone, so can a toy car if you smash them over the head with it 100 times. So, going by your logic, there has to be something wrong with the brain of a 7 year old that collects toy cars because it is an instrument that can be used to kill. Your logic is flawed, and horifically juvenile. Take some basic ethics classes before you go preaching your bullshit on these forums because your point of view is so narrow minded it isn't even funny.

owned by tadaa.