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Branall1
05-07-2006, 04:03 PM
Hello everyone, I am a new member, but I have some experience that I think (And hope) will clear up a lot of the misinformation (And flat out money wasting) I see on this board.

My name is Brandon and I used to work for a medium sized drug testing firm located in North Carolina. We provided everything from record keeping, laboratory testing to legal compliance and on-site test kits.

Here are some basic things everyone needs to know about drug testing.

1. It is an entire industry formed on mis-information that's only exists to make money. Margins on drug tests are very high, especially when compared to other types of medical testing. This means companies like LapCorp and Quest Diagnostics earn more per drug test than any other test they perform, so they obviously aren't going to complain.

2. Drug tests do NOT detect THC. You could drop a bud into water and stick a drug test in. It will read negative. Every time. Drug tests look for the byproduct of THC consumption in your body, not the drug itself.

3. The detoxification industry is just as shameful and money oriented as the drug testing industry. Almost every detox product out there requires you to drink copious amounts of water prior to your test. It's the WATER, not the product that dilutes the sample and lowers the Ng/Ml (nanograms per milliliter) concetration of cannibinoids. Your system cannot "flush" all of the cannibinoids just because some product claims it can. Cannibnoids are stored in fatty cells, and I think everyone wishes they could magically "flush" fatty cells from their body

4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.

These companies are all about making money (on both ends, testing and "detox") Everyone knows drug testing is Bullshit (Penn and Teller should totally hit this for an episode). The truth is it's a multi-billion dollar industry, and the industry wants to keep it that way. Lapcorp, Quest, etc make a substantial amount of their profit from drug testing. They aren't going to deliberatly damage that.

The point of this post? Save your money. Chances are if you are looking for a job money is tight already. Add in gas prices and time wasted at interviews and driving all over town to be tested and $30 is a lot of money. Drink water, and take vitamins.

Brandon

PS: Hair testing is increasing in popularity, but it is still prohibitively expensive. Wholesale on a hair test is about $79 per test. Unfortunately, nothing works to fool a hair test. They can only use 1.5" (They CAN use more, but cannibinoids break down in the hair a little after 90 days, so long hair is NOT a "timeline". It's just long hair). Shaving your head also won't work, they'll just find it somewhere else (Pubic, chest, back, anywhere really) and they will also make a note that your head was recently shaved. The cannibinoids are stored WITHIN the hair folicle, so those "cleansing" shampoos are total bullshit also. Like I said, save your money,

Branall1
05-07-2006, 04:10 PM
Here's another "scam" within the drug testing industry.

When people think of "drug abusers" they normally think of the big ones. Cocaine, Meth, opiates, etc. These drugs are no longer detectable within HOURS of use by modern drug tests. This means you could be a crackhead every day of your life, abstain for a DAY, and go get tested. You will pass.

Weed is detectable up to 45 days in heavy users (like me). This is part of the cause with the obsession with the "marijuana is bad". If we stop testing for weed, 99.999% of all drug tests would come up negative, rendering the industry useless. Companies that make millions of dollars will stop at nothing to keep that company alive, including pushing false information (Especially OLD test results. Never do you hear of recent studies showing the "terrible effects" of chronic marijuana usage.) or extrapolating ludicrous results from ludicrous tests.

eGGNoG
05-08-2006, 03:29 PM
sheet , i get "randomed" its not really but it is close, and if i fail i can get into a shit load of trouble, what you think i should do with drinking water.

Branall1
05-08-2006, 11:14 PM
Unfortunately random drug tests are hard to fool. Normally, your employer selects you for a test and you have to go immediately (The official DOT rule is "immediately before, during, or after performing the duties specified under section yadda yadda").

My recommendation to you would be to keeop yourself hydrated anyways (it's good for you) and find a way to keep a whizinator or some other source of synthetic/clean urine avaiable. Make sure you hit the temperature right, that is one of the first things that is checked. Anything more than a few degrees higher or lower than 98 degrees and it's an instant red-flag.

whitekat
05-09-2006, 10:43 AM
hey brandon, thanks for the info....question for you....while you were a piss cop, did you ever help a brother out, by switching or diluting the sample? just wondering, in todays paper a drug screen company has a want add out for a collector....i think i would help some brothers out if i could ....you know, stick it to the man sort of thing be cool

IrieAllie
05-09-2006, 11:53 AM
Hello everyone, I am a new member, but I have some experience that I think (And hope) will clear up a lot of the misinformation (And flat out money wasting) I see on this board.

My name is Brandon and I used to work for a medium sized drug testing firm located in North Carolina. We provided everything from record keeping, laboratory testing to legal compliance and on-site test kits.

Here are some basic things everyone needs to know about drug testing.

1. It is an entire industry formed on mis-information that's only exists to make money. Margins on drug tests are very high, especially when compared to other types of medical testing. This means companies like LapCorp and Quest Diagnostics earn more per drug test than any other test they perform, so they obviously aren't going to complain.

2. Drug tests do NOT detect THC. You could drop a bud into water and stick a drug test in. It will read negative. Every time. Drug tests look for the byproduct of THC consumption in your body, not the drug itself.

3. The detoxification industry is just as shameful and money oriented as the drug testing industry. Almost every detox product out there requires you to drink copious amounts of water prior to your test. It's the WATER, not the product that dilutes the sample and lowers the Ng/Ml (nanograms per milliliter) concetration of cannibinoids. Your system cannot "flush" all of the cannibinoids just because some product claims it can. Cannibnoids are stored in fatty cells, and I think everyone wishes they could magically "flush" fatty cells from their body

4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.

These companies are all about making money (on both ends, testing and "detox") Everyone knows drug testing is Bullshit (Penn and Teller should totally hit this for an episode). The truth is it's a multi-billion dollar industry, and the industry wants to keep it that way. Lapcorp, Quest, etc make a substantial amount of their profit from drug testing. They aren't going to deliberatly damage that.

The point of this post? Save your money. Chances are if you are looking for a job money is tight already. Add in gas prices and time wasted at interviews and driving all over town to be tested and $30 is a lot of money. Drink water, and take vitamins.

Brandon

PS: Hair testing is increasing in popularity, but it is still prohibitively expensive. Wholesale on a hair test is about $79 per test. Unfortunately, nothing works to fool a hair test. They can only use 1.5" (They CAN use more, but cannibinoids break down in the hair a little after 90 days, so long hair is NOT a "timeline". It's just long hair). Shaving your head also won't work, they'll just find it somewhere else (Pubic, chest, back, anywhere really) and they will also make a note that your head was recently shaved. The cannibinoids are stored WITHIN the hair folicle, so those "cleansing" shampoos are total bullshit also. Like I said, save your money,

Brandon,

Thanks for the info...very informative. My husband needs to get a physical for work (just the yearly thing), at his leisure. He's not smoked in almost 6 weeks....we were going to get one of those at-home tests, but were unsure how reliable it would be. He just wants to get the physical over, so he can partake! I guess that would be the way to go, and your info was extremely helpful! Thanks again!

DonnieDarko
05-09-2006, 10:30 PM
Hi Branall1,

Your post is both interesting and informative ... I hope you stick around because we need resident experts in this area.

My only question: How low are the lowest limits of THC that can be detected in testing? For example, if someone smokes a small amount, like once a week, will that fall below the level of detection ???

Branall1
05-10-2006, 11:13 PM
I was not a collector. I was a salesman (yes, I sold my soul, but it was either that or no food on the table, and I have a kiddo to take care of). Unfortuantely, almost every place that does drug collection is monitored and controlled by the DOT. They have tons of regulations to follow (US government? Regulations? Imagine that). If someone was caught switching piss, not only would there be firing, but charges. The reason is this:

Say you were a trucker who got pinned for a random test. You go in and get tested, and test positive. Now say your lawyer found out that a collector, may not have been your collector, but can you say reasonable doubt? A good lawyer could get every single test thrown out for as long as teh collector worked there. This is why there are stiff penalties and stiff training (brainwashing) for collectors.

Another thing. Specimin collection is normally the starting point for people who want to become Nurse Assistants/RNs. These people generally have that school taught "drugs are bad, mmmkay" mentality. They may not like their jobs, but you can kiss any chances at a "career" goodbye if you have a tampering charge on your record.

While I would have LOVED to help a fellow toker out, I was not in a position to have much affect. What else was hilarious is of the 50 people that worked there, EVERYONE I knew smoked. Kind of shows you the hypocracy of the whole thing.

As for me hanging out, I have really enjoyed by brief stay here and have receveived a warm welcome from my fellow "pot heads". Thank you for your hospitality, and I plan on staying. This is a nice community you guys have going here.

Also, just in case anyone was wondering, I am not longer in the drug testing racket. I am actually a systems engineer, which is what my true passion is. The sales thing is always safe to fall back on in the event of unemploymentness.

Brandon

Branall1
05-10-2006, 11:23 PM
DonnieDarko

Sorry, forgot to address your question. The standard "at hyome" or "on-site" in-vitro urine tests are "calibrated" (that word is used very loosely) to detect 50 nanograms per mL. What this comes out to on a per bowl/joint is HIGHLY subjective. It's much the same as "how much can I drink before being legally drunk"

I can tell you this. I am 6'0" and 250 lbs. I keep myself well hydrated, and although I am not a tub of lard, I could stand to lose 25 lbs. I experimented on myself and stayed clean for 3 months. I then smoked a bowl of TOTAL CRAP (NC weed is TERRIBLE. Bible belt land you know) and tested myself the next morning. While it would have been an "official" negative, it was very very close to the limit. I was also able to fool it with another glass of water and a second test, but I was pushing the "too clear" limit.

I'm a big guy, and those at home tests are actually pretty sensitive. Not that they can't be defeated, but definitely do't smoke the night before your test.

I have a couple test kits here with me now. I might take some pictures and post a thread explaining everything, if you guys think it might help. Let me know if you think a quick illustrative post on testing procedures and what to expect would help.

Brandon

Bigg Cellus
05-10-2006, 11:30 PM
Brandon,
Having a cdl and wanting to get back into trucking I am concerned about the trucking dot testing/screening. Are these tests pretty easy to pass? I would use quickfix if I was hit with a random after I passed the intro test. I just want to get a basic understanding of the drug screen/dot test that truck drivers have to take as I love to drive and I do not have any accidents on my record and will not smoke while working only when I am off duty and at home. Thanks in advance.

Bigg:stoned:Cellus

Branall1
05-10-2006, 11:56 PM
Federal regulations require that at minimum 50% of all registered CDL drivers be submitted to a random 5-panel drug screen (The NIDA 5). The company I worked for ran what is known as a "consortium". Because DOT requires 50% of all drivers to be tested, it's kinda hard to hit that number if you are just an owner operator. What we did was for companies with less than 5 CDLs, we grouped them in with one of our consortiums, so random selections were pulled from the consortium as a whole (A consortium could have as many as 10,000 drivers in it) and as long as the consortium remained compliant, DOT considered the members of the consortium compliant.

DOT also requires a pre-employment drug screen before a driver is allowed to drive for that company. There is also another weird requirement that most people don't understand. DOT also requires that a driver be subject to random selection at all times. This presents a problem, because normally random selections are done quarterly (4 times per year, not necessarily every 3 months) This means that if you were hired in march (The end of the first quarter) you not only have to take your pre-employment, but litterally a couple days later you could get hit with a random. Wasteful government over-babysitting at it's finest.

Now, random selections are a bear. When your company receives the notice that your employee ID has been pulled for random selection, they are required to notify you as soon as possible, and to instruct you to proceed immediately to the closest DOT approved collection facility. Companies normally keep forms as a part of a truckers "road packet" and require their drivers to have a copy on them at all times they are behind the wheel. This does not give much time for hydration or any other sort of trickery.

Once you arrive at the collection facility, your sample is collected (un-supervised, which is where a whizinator would come in handy) and sealed in a special "split-specimine" cup. DOT requires a sample to be split into two containers. In the event of a positive result, the trucker has a right to have the second sample re-tested immediately. DOT tests are still screened the "old-fashioned" way, with an on-site kit. As long as you can pass that, you should be free and clear. The sample won't even be given a second look (second looks at negative tests take time, and time=money).

If your sample fails the preliminary, it is sent in for quantitive analysis. This is where they take a sample and run it through GC/MS to determine the actual amounts of the substances in the sample. Once it is found that a test is "positive", the results are sent to a doctor for "medical review". The doctor acts as an impartial third party to review the test results with the patient and discover, hopefully, any medical explination for the results (Example, prescription medications). One the medical review is done, it is then handed to the employer as either "confirmed negative" or "confirmed positive".

The employer has several requirements in regards to how to handle a positive test. Immediate firing is not always an option, and the regulations require a referal to a "substance abuse" clinic. Unfortunaltey, once you are hit with a positive test, they test the hell out of you if you want to go back to work. You have to submit proof of the completion of a "DOT approved" substance abuse rehab. You are then required to be tested monthly (I can't remember, I'm pretty sure it's monthly) for the next 6 months to as long as 3 years depending on the recomendation of your therapist.

That's pretty much drug testing for truckers in a nutshell. I am about to take a walk with my family now, it's a nice warm evening. I'll be back on later if anyone else has any questions.

Brandon

Bigg Cellus
05-11-2006, 12:06 AM
Brandon,
Thanks for the info-this is what I have been wanting to know for awhile. Gives me something to think about. I hope you and the fam enjoy the walk:).

BiggCellus

Branall1
05-11-2006, 12:12 AM
Two more notes. For those of you that have to resort to "clean" or "Sythetic" urine, I cannot stress enough about temperature. Termperature has to be right or it's an instant red flag. No human on earth pisses cold, it's not possible. Remember, these collections are routine. If you are cool, and your sample smells like urine, is yellow and is within 2 degrees of 98, you are golden.

Point 2: For DOT tests, a missed test is treated the same way as a positive. Do not skip out on a required test. Also, if you do get caught with an adulterated or substituted test, DOT requires an immediate re-test (immediate being within the next day) under direct supervision. A person (of like gender) will watch you piss into a cup. I mean litterally watch. No back turned, no stall. Watched.

Going walking now.

B

BloodyRedBarron
05-11-2006, 02:07 AM
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eGGNoG
05-11-2006, 05:35 PM
i dont get randomed any more from my school, its up to me when i want to take the drug test but i still need to do it once a month... any "best" options? it would be at my doctor cus i need to bring a paper or whatever saying i passed... i was thinking using someone elses piss but i dont know if i can make it eexactly 98 degrees or 2 within.. i know if oy utake vitamin B pills or one whatever, it makes your piss like colored, so if i take one of those and dillute the shit outta me, how good of a chance ill pass? if i fail im going to juvi.. i got till like this weekend to decide. if im ganna keep toking , good looks on all the info though mah dood. pZ.

PaRanOiD81
05-12-2006, 02:01 AM
what do you think about taking certo to try and pass the drug test?

Branall1
05-13-2006, 01:56 AM
Read my second post in this thread for my opinion of "detox" products.

Generally, they are total crap and a waste of money.

B

DonnieDarko
05-13-2006, 11:13 AM
Read my second post in this thread for my opinion of "detox" products.

Generally, they are total crap and a waste of money.

B

There was a very smart guy on this board last year, IamN2Pot, who had the same opinion on detox products. He posted very clear posts on dilution and substitution. It's great to have a live expert on the board again ... but some people you won't be able to convince.

IMO, this is the most important forum on this message board. Your help is appreciated.

toke it up 420
05-13-2006, 01:31 PM
thanks, great info



ps shrooms arent on any drug tests(tyrptoids or somethin like that)
piss tests that is
even on 10 panel!

eGGNoG
05-13-2006, 04:32 PM
well cus they stay in your body for like a day right? why bother checking usually people arent THAT dumb.

rainmaykr
05-17-2006, 11:45 PM
Hi there
Branall1, great post! I have a couple of questions for you, if that's ok. You say that water loading and B vitamin should do the trick to pass the test. Don't they perform a urine integrity check (to make sure it's urine and not diluted) for things like Ph, specific gravity, creatinine levels etc? You didnt mention those things in your post so I was just curious. I have read and printed IMN2pot's posting about the dilution method and he mentions those things. I have a job interview on Friday and if I get the job (which I hope I do) I will have to take a test. I am assuming I'll have at least 10 days or so as a buffer because I last smoked on Monday. I quit as soon as I got the call for the interview. I was planning on using N2's dilution method but I'm not big on taking the creatine but I will if it will help. I'm a female and i don't bodybuild and if I take too much of it by mistake, would they be able to tell? (Last time I did a home test I was clean after 2 1/2 wks and I smoked everyday, almost, for 10 yrs so I'm assuming I have a fast metabolism) Just wondering what your take was on the urine integrity. Also, I am on wellbutrin and was wondering if they would do the more sensitive test because of that. I know you have to tell them what drugs you're on. I really appreciate your response and info. It's a great job with great salary so I'm a bit worried about prospect of taking the pre-employment drug test.
Thanks!

sneakinandsmokin
06-03-2006, 07:11 PM
Branall1,
Very informative, thank you. I am going to be taking a drug test at a facitily soon, where some friends of mine work, and they have prewarned me that if hte company is interested in me at the interview, they will send me into their public restroom to take an unmonitored test and dip the stuff right there. I plan on substituing and I know how long I can keep clean piss warm before it starts to get rank. My question is if I dont want to have to worry about getting the piss a couple hours before the interview. I was thinking I could maybe store it in the fridge and rewarm it in hot tap water. How long can I keep the pee in the fridge and it still have the same qualities as fresh?

cannabinoid
06-03-2006, 11:55 PM
yeah it's good to have these guys on our side. i put a small story relative to this in "Anyone know how to pass a urine test without buying those things online"

Absolution
06-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Branall1,
Very informative, thank you. I am going to be taking a drug test at a facitily soon, where some friends of mine work, and they have prewarned me that if hte company is interested in me at the interview, they will send me into their public restroom to take an unmonitored test and dip the stuff right there. I plan on substituing and I know how long I can keep clean piss warm before it starts to get rank. My question is if I dont want to have to worry about getting the piss a couple hours before the interview. I was thinking I could maybe store it in the fridge and rewarm it in hot tap water. How long can I keep the pee in the fridge and it still have the same qualities as fresh?

You have to use the piss within 8 hours or it will start to grow bacteria. Freeze it ASAP if you can, then thaw and use.

Hope this helps

Absolution

yooperinNC
06-04-2006, 06:50 PM
Hey Brandon! Ok, I'm a freak, and I know it, and everyone seems to think I'll be just fine but...

Until reading your posts, I could not be put at ease. But now, reading what someone with your experience has to say, I feel better. Even still, the paranoia takes over in me when it comes to these situations.

I have been a contract analyst for a Fortune 100 company here in NC for about 11 months now. It was only supposed to be for 3 months, and so it's been very frustrating to be strung along this long. I abstained for this entire time (since the temp agency I'm payrolled with does random), and then one day about 2 months ago, I got pissed and gave in. I smoked everyday for about 3 weeks. Then they decided they wanted to hire me. Yeah, really. I immediately stopped and have been straight for 20 days, drinking lots of water everyday (like at least 2 liters a day). I will probably have to test this week, probably Tues. or Wed. Like I said, everyone says I'm fine, keep drinking water and I'm golden. And, about a week ago, I took a home test and that was negative. So, what am I worrying about, eh? lol

I have some quite expensive detox stuff that I bought a while back. Can't return it now. It even says that drinking water is not necessary. Should I even bother? I'm a small person (5'1", and 149 - I could stand to lose about 10 lbs)...Bottom line - am I ok? :) Straight for 20 days and LOTS of water? Whatcha think? And don't the labs (I'll probably end up at Labcorp or Quest) test for the detox stuff/masking agents? Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. Chow.

T :)

telvis
06-05-2006, 03:38 AM
What about chest hair? I am slick bald. I haven't smoked in 7 months. Will I be okaY?????

Ganjasaurusrex
06-05-2006, 06:33 AM
What about chest hair? I am slick bald. I haven't smoked in 7 months. Will I be okaY?????


I have no idea. But the day someone starts testing my hair for a damn job is the day I go into business for myself. How much control do they need over a person to nit pick what you did months ago? :cursing:

willystylle
06-05-2006, 08:08 AM
Hey Brandonm welcome to cannabis.com. Stick around, these people like you :-)

Absolution
06-11-2006, 02:16 PM
Hey Branall,

I just took a test today and did not pass. So they sent it to a lab....yesterday I ate a few methadones. Will they test for that at the lab or just the THC I failed for?

If anyone else knows please chime in! TY

Absolution

maphiagrrl
06-14-2006, 08:49 PM
so if the levels in my piss are not normal (from dilution and cranberry pills and vitamins), will they retest me or take a closer look at the pee?
and thanks for the advice....

Rebel24
06-17-2006, 04:28 PM
i am on state PO.my brother fell a drug test gust drinking water and vit.But if u stop smocking for 21 days and drink water juice and Gatorade.and the day i go i drink 32 oz gatorade with certo and fill the 32 oz bottle up with water 2 times and p 3 times will i pass. :stoned: :thumbsup:

johnnylethal
06-17-2006, 05:47 PM
I played the piss-test game for 20 years and have beaten many and been busted by several (I have credit for being one of the first guys busted with Klear once they started testing for an abnormally high amount of nitrates. I also lost a job 10 years ago with a hair test (1 month before the Supreme Court ruled it unconsitutional - which has since been reverse I think).

Anyway I agree with everything said here by those that know the deal, but I didn't see any good responses to people talking about how long it takes to get clean.

We all know the detectable chemicals are in our fat cells. The fatter you are the longer it takes to get clean. I'm 5'9" and 170, which is probably on the lean side. I've gone from smoking 24/7 for a year straight, stopped and passed a test within 20 days. I know skinny SOB's who have gone less time before passing (50 ppm deal I guess?). But I spent those 20 days drinking butt-loads of water and exercising daily to sweat a lot, not sure if that mattered, but it got me past the test.

I found a calculator online once that let you put in your smoking frequency, quality of pot and body wieght and body type... And it spit our a time frame and recommended activity, but who knows how accurate it was?

I'm very fortunate that I don't work in an industry that worries about drug testing.

But I'm not very fortunate that I live in SC and still don't have enough friends to keep me high 24/7 as I'd prefer.

SOMEBODY BRING ME WEED PLEASE (I scream out my front door every morning)

Wishing & Waiting for the weed fairy to arrive~

JL

Nylo
06-22-2006, 02:11 PM
Hey Branall1, thanks for the informative post. I hope you enjoy your stay here as well =)

Oh, 1 important question. I've got a box of Quick Fix stashed away. I heard good things about it, since my job randomly drug tests. I stay pretty well hydrated, but always keep QF as an "in case of emergency, break glass" kind of thing.

Just wondering what your thoughts were on the product, since I think you mentioned something about synthetic urines =)

sceadufaux
07-21-2006, 06:11 AM
The irony... I smoked up 2 days ago, and got a drug test today (I fell at work) and I had to skip the day of the test, as I had a doctors appt which took me 6 months to get, and they call me up yelling (I waited at the piss place for 3 hours) and try to force me to get a test done yesterday. I did it, and I quit immediately after. A few Qs on the whole drug testing thing:

1. Does Visine really work/do anything? I've heard many different things.

2. If you quit your job, and they find a positive test afterwards, could they call the police about it?

3. What kinds of OTC drugs would cause a false positive? I've hear Aleve can, but I'm not sure.

I took some Tylenol with Codeine the night before, but I have an Rx for it, so that made me feel happy somehow, hah. Funny thin is, I have chronic pain, and cannabis is THE ONLY THING that will take all of the pain away :]

Damon32
07-22-2006, 01:30 AM
A buddy of mine at work tested positive for THC. He told the lab that he had been taking Tylenol 3 with codeine, then he had to prove that he had the RX and they let him go saying that it shows a false positive.

kronos416
07-22-2006, 10:47 PM
hey brandon do you know how pain management doctor testing works? i am on pain management but tend to smoke once in while. do you know if they use the imunoassay testing or the gc/ms testing? trying to figure out a way to be able to smoke once in while and still pass my random test that is done only once a year. what about freezing ones own urine then letting it thaw and get to 98.6 degrees for office visit? anyone tried that?

Cheery Cherry
07-23-2006, 05:39 AM
Hello Brandon :).

I am wondering....where would one purchase a home drug testing kit? Which brand is the best or more accurate in results?

Thanks in advance! You have really provided us with great information.

Freemount
07-23-2006, 07:02 AM
Hey, thanks for the very informative post, and I have a question: I may apply for a job at a local market (not supermarket like vons ralphs etc..), it's not a chain of stores but only one. Now is it government regulations to have the applicant drug tested or is it the owner's decision?

graph
07-23-2006, 07:59 AM
My mom used to work for Quest. I can definitely vouch for that information.

usedchemicals
07-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Cocaine, Meth, opiates, etc. These drugs are no longer detectable within HOURS of use by modern drug tests. This means you could be a crackhead every day of your life, abstain for a DAY, and go get tested. You will pass.

are you kidding me? :confused: cocaine and crack are detectable for about three days afterwards, and longer if you are a regular user

Damon32
07-24-2006, 04:42 AM
Exactly...That was a dangerouse statement. I takes longer than 24 hours for the good shit to leave your system.

Drug tests can be bought at any of your local drug stores. There are all kinds of test kits out there. Look by the pharmacy.

Holla'

Jay Matix
07-24-2006, 06:30 AM
Thanks for the post man

usedchemicals
07-25-2006, 03:14 AM
i did coke on a friday, got drug tested monday and came up positive

Delta9 UK
07-25-2006, 12:18 PM
Good info + I'm not at all surprised :)

vintendo
07-28-2006, 12:58 AM
wen i was in JDC in Detroit i got a piss test and i wen they pulled me in to tell me if i passed or not i looked at the sheet and it had a box to check if it was deluided or suspected tampering. so they defentaily know if its real or not. oh i failed that test btw.

chukklehed
07-28-2006, 03:54 AM
Really good in-depth stuff Branall. I think you would be the perfect guy to answer my question(thread title: Probation Drug Testing). I'd appreciate your info if you have the time. Thanks.

canieatit
07-28-2006, 06:20 AM
In Melbourne Australia. the police have a radmon drug testing bus where they test the road uses for druged driving . this process works the same as our dirnk driving tests. now this test ( which i have not seen yet. thank god!) works by licking some type of test stick which shows the result within 3 minutes they are testing for the use of dope or speed have you heard of this type of testing? and how can a heavy smoker pass this test??? Megan

AngryA
08-01-2006, 08:52 PM
I'm still looking for anyone who knows where I go to get synthetic or real urine to pass a pot test

Budsmoka
08-01-2006, 10:41 PM
Hey,Ive been smoking 4-5 times a day for the past 6 months or so and I just got a really good job oppertunity but they want me to pass a drug test and its in a few days, like maybe a week at the most. If I drink a shit load of water do you think I have a chance at passing??? From what ive read I think im fucked.

StOneD.aS.FuK
08-02-2006, 12:23 PM
u just answered all my questions, thanks mate :thumbsup:

MsStrawberrySwisher
08-03-2006, 11:10 AM
Hey,Ive been smoking 4-5 times a day for the past 6 months or so and I just got a really good job oppertunity but they want me to pass a drug test and its in a few days, like maybe a week at the most. If I drink a shit load of water do you think I have a chance at passing??? From what ive read I think im fucked.


Um, hate to sound negative, but you will need a minimum of at least 20-30 days to pass the test naturally. Plus it all depends how your size, weight, metabolism and water drinking habits. If you drink to much water, your sample might come up dilluted, then they might have you retest or fail you all together. Best solution I suggest to you is going the substition method. Either buying some Quick Fix or using a clean family or friend pee is the only way you have a great chance of passing the test. Good Luck.

Budd420
08-03-2006, 04:49 PM
They fail you for it being diluted, what if you told them you drank a lot of water because you were really thirsty or something..I got off probation in january and i didnt smoke the whole time i was on it but still its BS if they fail you for drinking.

comfortably numb 010
08-13-2006, 08:01 AM
hey brandon. first of all i want to say thanks for all the info, you've been quite helpful for my cause.. i just had a couple quick questions..

1) what is the exact temperature cutoffs for pee... i heard it was 96-98 degrees but i can't be sure. is this true?

2) if i have a friend urinate for me the evening before the test, do i have to freeze it right away or something?

also, i get randomly drug tested at school so until i'm clean i plan on using the substitution method in case i get tested. the only thing i have to worry about is whether or not the age of the urine can be detected, and the exact temperature i need to keep it at.

any help would be appreciated, thanks a ton

allmomsmoke
08-31-2006, 10:10 PM
Hey Branall1 !

I had to take a urine test today ar LapCorp. I used Magnum Synthetic, the temp was only 93 degrees, but the chick marked yes on the sheet and made a note that is was 93 now its going to be mailed out! Do u think it will be ok??? Can they test to see if the urine is synthetic??? Do u think they will do "extra" testing b/c the temp was only 93???

Shovelhandle
10-26-2006, 10:34 AM
Last week wife and I were called into the doctor's office for drug tests. We are on pain meds and the test is to assure that we are not selling the medicine instead of taking it. I was really surprised. The office gal says it's in a contract we signed before treatment that we would submit to this testing. Is this the US gov? (I'm living in the US right now). Has anyone else heard of this? )Any of you cronic pain sufferers?)

Shov

yoyoman1020
10-27-2006, 01:57 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to defeat random at-home drug tests? I don't think my mom is going to give me much notice. And also, if I'm seeing a counsellor about my "drug problem" weekly, is there any chance my mom might have them test me? Can they even test me? And if they can, do they have to give me any notice? Thanks, anyone who can help me out.

ninny
11-06-2006, 10:37 PM
hi im from jersey england dont know if drug testing is th same worldwide but i average 2 - 3 a day got a test in 2days and haven't had a blast since last wed will i fail test help please!!!

MrGreenFingaz
11-24-2006, 06:35 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^FAILED!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

headbanger4eva
11-26-2006, 07:47 AM
Brandon, dude i know you've been writing alot but if you can tell me one question .....Do they run any special tests If your on Probation and they send your piss to the lab? Like is it harder to pass...im about 95 pounds -5'6 i have to piss for my P.O this Tuesday and i smoked some ....NOT REAL GOOD shaky shit...about 2 bowls...its was maybe around Thursday over thanksgiving....is there anything i could do or should i be alright? Thanx for any advice

weedheaduknow
11-28-2006, 06:35 PM
i dont think that brandon guy posts here anymore(at least not in this thread) so u all can stop asking him questions.

kknight
12-03-2006, 02:18 AM
I found this post and it was exactly what I was looking for so I figured I would copy and paste it. He never got a reply so I was looking to see if I could get some answers.

FYI: since I have to take supervised tests from time to time and many of my friends drink and toke, it's often hard to find someone to give me a clean specimen. I can catch some of them at the right time and I would like to get a friend to just give me a large amount to keep on freeze so that each time I need it, I won't have to go through the trouble of tracking one down.


if i have a friend urinate for me the evening before the test, do i have to freeze it right away or something?

also, i get randomly drug tested at school so until i'm clean i plan on using the substitution method in case i get tested. the only thing i have to worry about is whether or not the age of the urine can be detected, and the exact temperature i need to keep it at.

any help would be appreciated, thanks a ton

Looker
12-03-2006, 09:19 PM
I just used the Urinator and synthetic urine I'm waiting to see what happens..pre employment drug screen

Blood Shot Eyes
12-04-2006, 12:41 PM
im not sure if water works to pass a drug test. the first drug test i took i smoked the day befor and didnt do shit to try and pass it. the next drug test i took i drank 2 gallons of water the day of the test. and the last drug test i took i drank 3 gallons of water the day of the test. each drug test there was more and more thc in my body. from my first drug test to my last the thc level fucking tripled. i swear i took 5 drug test in my life and i never passed one of them. i fucking hate police for having to fuck with me and fuck up my life. my life would have been so much better if it wasnt for those fucking pigs.

ny2casports89
12-05-2006, 06:30 AM
Brandon, thanks for all the info, but i have to know... did you get drug tested for your job as a drug test salesmen?

amandasgirl79
12-14-2006, 02:26 PM
what will happen to m e if i fail a drug test while on probation? can anyone answer that

FakeBoobsRule
12-14-2006, 02:43 PM
Amanda, your post really should be in a different thread or start your own thread. Do that and I will answer as well as others wil post too. I would post in the legal forum or if not at least start a new thread in this forum but Legal would be the best.

gecopreformance
02-25-2007, 06:24 AM
brandon how much water for a 240 pound guy heavy smoker and how long after i drink will my piss be clean? awsom post thanks please send answer to my addres if u can [email protected] thank u bro... l

ChaosPotHeadNYC
03-08-2007, 11:21 PM
Brandon, i don't mean to sound like a dick but is there any way to verify the info you posted about only having to pass an onsite kite and being home free after that? I'm currently trying to get into a construction union and don't want to mess up my chance of getting in. I'm currently detoxing, but by god, I NEED TO SMOKE A FATTY!!! Also, at what is the time table for smoking before the test and still passing, I'm 5'10 and weigh about 150lbs, any help would be appreciated, thnx, keep smoking while ya can you lucky bastard :rastasmoke:

DaLegend541
03-10-2007, 02:33 AM
Hi, I have to take a random drug test through Emergence, its a drug class because i got a DUII "don't drive drunk it's not only stupid but i costs me 3,500 dollars in fines and classes so far" but the point to my ? is. Before march 8 i smoked about 2-5 grams of some "afghan-pot of gold" just about every day for the last year and i need to pass the test's. so what can i do to pass? drink lots of water, steam room, excersize?

FakeBoobsRule
03-10-2007, 03:14 PM
so what can i do to pass? drink lots of water, steam room, excersize?
Drinking lots of water days before the test will not clean you out faster. Drinking lots of fluids on the day of the test is dilution. Read the stickies. Steam room will do nothing as very little THC is eliminated by sweat. Aerobic exercise can help but stop 3-5 days before the test.

ChronicMan420
03-28-2007, 02:28 AM
Brandon... I was wondering would they fail you on the spot if the temperature was wrong.. I took mine a few days ago and he excepted it and the guy seemed cool...

d00d557
03-28-2007, 02:56 AM
just take creatine supplements and drink a lot of water and other things to dilute the urine, creatine levels are what they measure to figure out if the urine is diluted or not

Suthrncomfrt
05-16-2007, 05:08 AM
Just wanted to add a little something to this while we're on the subject of drug testing misconceptions.

I hear people saying a lot, "Just drink a lot of water and excersise before your test."

This is an excellent way to flush your system naturally, but only if done right. I'm not sure if this has been pointed out on this board or not, but I'll lay it out anyways...

Increasing metabolism is the only way you are going to get rid of the byproducts of THC. So, this means either excersise a lot, drink a ton of caffiene, or eat large amounts of food for a few days before your test.

The only problem here (and something to keep in mind), all of these things are ejected from the body through your urine and sweat. Mostly urine though. If you smoke today and expect to pass a drug test in a few days by excersising and drinking water, you may be screwing yourself over.

The most common thing people do that I've seen when they fail tests is that they go out and sweat like crazy the day before their test. This is fine and dandy. It gets rid of the metabolites, but at the wrong time. If you burn fat and metabolites today, you will more that likely still be urinating them out tomorrow. This will make your urine even more possitive than it already is.

My advice to anyone wanting to flush their system....

If you have more than a week - excersise up until 48 hours before your test. Then take it easy and just drink a ton of water. Eat plenty of food over the last 24 hours and you should be good. This is assuming you are an occational smoker.

If you have less than a week - don't sweat at all. Try to take it as easy as possible. Drink lots of water.

shaggzx
05-16-2007, 05:40 AM
DonnieDarko

Sorry, forgot to address your question. The standard "at hyome" or "on-site" in-vitro urine tests are "calibrated" (that word is used very loosely) to detect 50 nanograms per mL. What this comes out to on a per bowl/joint is HIGHLY subjective. It's much the same as "how much can I drink before being legally drunk"

I can tell you this. I am 6'0" and 250 lbs. I keep myself well hydrated, and although I am not a tub of lard, I could stand to lose 25 lbs. I experimented on myself and stayed clean for 3 months. I then smoked a bowl of TOTAL CRAP (NC weed is TERRIBLE. Bible belt land you know) and tested myself the next morning. While it would have been an "official" negative, it was very very close to the limit. I was also able to fool it with another glass of water and a second test, but I was pushing the "too clear" limit.

I'm a big guy, and those at home tests are actually pretty sensitive. Not that they can't be defeated, but definitely do't smoke the night before your test.

I have a couple test kits here with me now. I might take some pictures and post a thread explaining everything, if you guys think it might help. Let me know if you think a quick illustrative post on testing procedures and what to expect would help.

Brandon

Hey man, if you have the right connections in NC, the pot is actually not that bad. I live in Virginia now, but I'm from the Sanford/Fay. area and I have some connects around there for some really good shit. I hate the dirt that the Mexicans and "gangstas" sell. BLAH!

Markass
05-16-2007, 11:51 AM
Um, hate to sound negative, but you will need a minimum of at least 20-30 days to pass the test naturally. Plus it all depends how your size, weight, metabolism and water drinking habits. If you drink to much water, your sample might come up dilluted, then they might have you retest or fail you all together. Best solution I suggest to you is going the substition method. Either buying some Quick Fix or using a clean family or friend pee is the only way you have a great chance of passing the test. Good Luck.

I've done it it 14 days, that's how long it took them to get me into court for failing one, I squeaked by 5 days at boot camp by claiming I was merely present when it was being smoked and passed it 14 days after I failed it, so it doesn't take at least 20 days in all cases. Btw, I smoked the morning I failed that initial drug test.

Markass
05-16-2007, 11:52 AM
Here's another "scam" within the drug testing industry.

When people think of "drug abusers" they normally think of the big ones. Cocaine, Meth, opiates, etc. These drugs are no longer detectable within HOURS of use by modern drug tests. This means you could be a crackhead every day of your life, abstain for a DAY, and go get tested. You will pass.

Weed is detectable up to 45 days in heavy users (like me). This is part of the cause with the obsession with the "marijuana is bad". If we stop testing for weed, 99.999% of all drug tests would come up negative, rendering the industry useless. Companies that make millions of dollars will stop at nothing to keep that company alive, including pushing false information (Especially OLD test results. Never do you hear of recent studies showing the "terrible effects" of chronic marijuana usage.) or extrapolating ludicrous results from ludicrous tests.

once again yet another reason to keep marijuana a 'dangerous and illegal drug'

OLDPINKPANTHER
06-01-2007, 09:35 PM
IM 5' 8" AND 195 ILB I HAVENT SMOKED IN 3 1/2 WEEKS DO I JUST DRINK MY ASS OFF THE DAY OF TEST?

jelly49
06-08-2007, 04:38 PM
Hey Brandon,

Thanks so much for the information, that is awesome of you. One quick question, this is my first time being drug tested for a job (which I think is super big brother, but it's a really great job and I might have to suck it up). I found out that they use the NIDA test at this co...so I bought a Guardian Home Test Kit, which tests for NIDA levels of THC 50ng/ml. If I pass this home test, am I good on the one for the job?

I have been clean for only 8 days, but detoxing and drinking lots of fluids...I'm pretty thin too. So I took a home test yesterday, at exactly 7 days of not smoking and came up clean on the first morning pee. Am I golden? (No pun intented HA!)

Much appreciated!

blazed_babe
06-08-2007, 05:36 PM
Um, hate to sound negative, but you will need a minimum of at least 20-30 days to pass the test naturally. Plus it all depends how your size, weight, metabolism and water drinking habits. If you drink to much water, your sample might come up dilluted, then they might have you retest or fail you all together. Best solution I suggest to you is going the substition method. Either buying some Quick Fix or using a clean family or friend pee is the only way you have a great chance of passing the test. Good Luck.

i was fortunate enough to have different luck with that...i've only had to take two drug tests ever, and the first one was when my parents caught me a couple of years ago (doh!) and then one a week and a half after that first test. the first test was completely random - i got off of work, got home, my mom got home and told me to get in the car and i though "shit, something really bad is about to happen" and blah blah blah to make a long story short we drove straight to the place to get me tested, i had no warning whatsoever. which was extremely bad for me, because i was a daily smoker, AND a friend's birthday had been the day before i got tested, therefore that entire day was spent celebrating, and i probably smoked about an oz and a half by myself in celebration...so i was fucked.

anyways, i failed that first drug test, shit went down, bunch of drama happened, then my mom was like "we're going to see how heavy of a user you are" (because i lied and told them i had only tried it a few times recently) "and get you tested again". that was a week and a half after i took the first drug test. i also had no previous knowledge that this drug test was going to take place, as she made me get in the car and drove us straight there. so, i didn't even have the chance to drink tons of water or try any other method of detox. and my test came back as negative. soooooo...i dunno, i guess i just have a really fast metabolism, because that shit was out of my system in just 10 days. so i guess i'm just lucky with that.

but yeah, it doesn't always take 20-30 days to naturally come out of your system - everyone is different!!!!

Guy
06-20-2007, 07:32 PM
hey my friend took urinary tract infection pills, and passed a probation test. Will this work?

equatorialradius
06-28-2007, 01:53 AM
I'm very fortunate that I don't work in an industry that worries about drug testing.

But I'm not very fortunate that I live in SC and still don't have enough friends to keep me high 24/7 as I'd prefer.

SOMEBODY BRING ME WEED PLEASE (I scream out my front door every morning)

Wishing & Waiting for the weed fairy to arrive~

JL


Hey there JL,

I'll bring you some if I can get in on that job industry! :D

twentyfour seven
07-08-2007, 11:20 PM
Hello everyone, I am a new member, but I have some experience that I think (And hope) will clear up a lot of the misinformation (And flat out money wasting) I see on this board.

My name is Brandon and I used to work for a medium sized drug testing firm located in North Carolina. We provided everything from record keeping, laboratory testing to legal compliance and on-site test kits.

Here are some basic things everyone needs to know about drug testing.

1. It is an entire industry formed on mis-information that's only exists to make money. Margins on drug tests are very high, especially when compared to other types of medical testing. This means companies like LapCorp and Quest Diagnostics earn more per drug test than any other test they perform, so they obviously aren't going to complain.

2. Drug tests do NOT detect THC. You could drop a bud into water and stick a drug test in. It will read negative. Every time. Drug tests look for the byproduct of THC consumption in your body, not the drug itself.

3. The detoxification industry is just as shameful and money oriented as the drug testing industry. Almost every detox product out there requires you to drink copious amounts of water prior to your test. It's the WATER, not the product that dilutes the sample and lowers the Ng/Ml (nanograms per milliliter) concetration of cannibinoids. Your system cannot "flush" all of the cannibinoids just because some product claims it can. Cannibnoids are stored in fatty cells, and I think everyone wishes they could magically "flush" fatty cells from their body

4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.

These companies are all about making money (on both ends, testing and "detox") Everyone knows drug testing is Bullshit (Penn and Teller should totally hit this for an episode). The truth is it's a multi-billion dollar industry, and the industry wants to keep it that way. Lapcorp, Quest, etc make a substantial amount of their profit from drug testing. They aren't going to deliberatly damage that.

The point of this post? Save your money. Chances are if you are looking for a job money is tight already. Add in gas prices and time wasted at interviews and driving all over town to be tested and $30 is a lot of money. Drink water, and take vitamins.

Brandon

PS: Hair testing is increasing in popularity, but it is still prohibitively expensive. Wholesale on a hair test is about $79 per test. Unfortunately, nothing works to fool a hair test. They can only use 1.5" (They CAN use more, but cannibinoids break down in the hair a little after 90 days, so long hair is NOT a "timeline". It's just long hair). Shaving your head also won't work, they'll just find it somewhere else (Pubic, chest, back, anywhere really) and they will also make a note that your head was recently shaved. The cannibinoids are stored WITHIN the hair folicle, so those "cleansing" shampoos are total bullshit also. Like I said, save your money,

can you tell me if taking one hit of weed would make me fail a hair folicle? I haven't smoked in over a year...

jojeezy
07-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Hey Brandon,

I had a funny brownie 5 weeks ago. And i'm gonna have to take the hair sample drug test. I haven't smoked in years so i'm other wise clean. Am I screwed?

P.S.

I bought "BioWash" I'm freakin out.

Thanks for your info.

FakeBoobsRule
07-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Joj, you are posting in the wrong thread. You should have started your own thread and asked your question there because Brandon hasn't been on since May 2006 and it really is off topic for a general discussion on drug testing.

The guideline is 3 times getting high in 90 days if the hair length is 1 and 1/2 inches. Your one brownie should not cause you to fail. In the future I prefer Zydot but Biowash is ok but much more expensive. Use it the day of the test and you should pass. If you have any more questions please start a new thread.

surreal
07-18-2007, 01:19 AM
4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.



Great information. Just one question, if all lab tests start with the dip cards those don't test for dilution so why do people fail for having a diluted sample?

strainydayze04
07-18-2007, 09:39 PM
I recently failed a random drug test and lost my job, but am now trying for a new job which will probably require another test. if my new test goes to the same lab as the one I failed on, will they fail me again even if it came out ok? Can they tell a new employer that I failed one a few weeks ago? I am only 15 days dry from what I deem as commercial pot, but 9 days ago I took 2 hits of some homegrown. Is there a difference in the potency of pot? Also, you said heavy or chroic users take longer to detox...so what is considered heavy? I am a chronic user (every day) but only smoke a couple of hits at a time and only a few times a day. Also, my partner was tested a few yrs ago on just homegrown(had smoked the same day as the test) and passed.

I have passed pre-employment tests before with drinking lots of water and taking a B12. Does anyone know the privacy issues? I live in a very small town(less than 10,000 people) so if I fail again, everyone will know.

Strainy

ADK Gold
07-19-2007, 04:32 PM
i have to do a drug screening, just once, for a job. i am doing it as part of a physical, i think for the insurance. i actually get to do the physical and screening with my primary care physician. is this type of testing different than say, a drug test for legal purposes? will they be looking for masking agents? or is it a little less formal?

marijuana bird
07-28-2007, 02:05 AM
i have a friend whos goin out for football and he needs 2 pass his physical 1st and a drug test 2 so his dad is gonna give him a pill called a golden root pill and his dad says it takes about a week for u 2 get clean as long as u drink a lot of water and shit will this golden root pill work

StonedAssasin
07-28-2007, 02:46 AM
Like Ive always said in my past post's of drug testing.. its all about the water.. and cranberry juice helps too.

georgiapothead420er
07-29-2007, 06:43 PM
i havent read all the posts on here,what info do you have on swabbing,afew friends

have lost there jobs when they went for reg urine test and had there mouths swabbed instead.......they werent expecting that........

Zcomp
08-03-2007, 06:28 AM
Ha Ha, :D
I've got the real 411. I'm 5'6" & 160lbs. I was forced to take weekly piss tests for 6 months (probate). I passed every one. My secret????? I researched heavily about MJ in your system. I even found a calc. from the point of totally clean, 1-Hit/High = 3 Days of dirty. I later pick up the jibber again toke once more....2-Hits/Highs = 6 Days of dirty and so on until 30-45 Days dirty depending on you.
I simple toked once a week after my test was complete and waited for next weeks test to smoke again. For 6 Months it worked like a charm. No dilution.

Adam_scsd
08-05-2007, 04:14 PM
Thanks for the info. How long do you drink a lot of water for though? like a week? :yippee:

trupothead420
08-08-2007, 10:14 PM
Ok.im sure evry 1 is gettin tired of the smae question..sry..ive read alot of these threads in this post...cant read them all..so here goes.....im 5'11" float between 135-155lbs...i do smoke everyday but not that heavily...i pack my bong hit it once or twice each time and good for a couple hrs generally...so no more than 2 bongs a day basically...i jus got called for an interview for tommorow mornin so i havent smoked most of the day except for this mornin...so would b bout 24hrs of no smokin by the time i take the test...what s the best thing 4 me 2 do? would jus drinkin a lil bit of water(say 30-40oz) and take some vitamin B pills and b ok? the drug test is only a cheap $15 one that they do right there in front of you...(its a dip stick test i think) no sendin off to lab for testing(unless dilluted 2 times) would i b ok jus doin that? what bout creatine on test? any and all suggestion wanted and welcomed...ty