Time is Artificial

[Doctor mj]

I've always wondered what it would be like to live in a world without any sense of time. Without knowing how fast time goes by, could we still psychologically set up the rate at which our bodies age?

If we did not know our real age, could we have a mid-life crisis? How would we know when to retire? When to "slow down"? If you didn't know your age, how could you be concerned about the fact that the average age of males in the U.S. is 68 and females 72?

The answer probably is that you wouldn't know. If you didn't know how old you were, you may never have a mid-life crisis. You would probably retire when you felt like it, and you may never slow down. Just think about the fact that if you never knew the average age at which you could expect to die there is no way you could target your own death.

People that "target" their own deaths often do things, mostly subconsciously, to ensure that their beliefs become reality.

If you firmly believe that you will not live far past the age of 65, will having this attitude help you live longer? It's hard for me to think so.

But what if you had the firm belief implanted in your mind that you are destined to live past the age of 100? If this thought or belief was deep within us, might our bodies follow suit?

The rate at which our bodies age is not determined by time. It is determined by our minds. We should not think of ourselves in terms of a number or an "age."
We should make our judgements based on our physical condition (how we feel). That old cliche "you are as young as you feel" is in fact the truth.

We must begin to think of ourselves as a timeless human being that is existing on this Earth according to the whims of our own minds and perspectives, and not by the whims of artificial clocks and calenders.

Remember, time is really nothing more than an illusion. Your mind can make you young...or old.

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/11371/Time_Is_An_Artificial_Creation_Of_The_Mind

Thought this was pretty cool.

[Wesley Pipes]

ok fuck readin all that, it'd take too much time :)

[LittLeWinG]

its the truth

[benagain]

so the fact that cells start to slow down reproduction is all in our head? Funny, I thought that it was nature. I'm pretty sure cavemen didn't know shit about time and I'm pretty sure they still died old hairy monkey-men. Not bashing your theory though. It's true that you can live past your expected timeline by living a happy healthy life, but you'll still get old and die one day. Long story short, live like there's no tomorrow, but plan for next year.

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

Very interesting... *scratches chin*

[gjpop2000]

Intersting. especxially hwen youre as high as i am irght now loL. but yes, very intreging perspetcive.

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

Intersting. especxially hwen youre as high as i am irght now loL. but yes, very intreging perspetcive.

Exaaaaaaaaaactly. :stoned:

[orangeman]

ok fuck readin all that, it'd take too much time :)

Why even post if your not gonna read?

Also Doctor mj that is a bit interesting and usually I cant see my self living past 52, not that I dont want to but I just dont wanna get old and will be happy for my life to end at that time.

[God v2.0]

lol wour minds dont determine our age, ageing is caused by free-radicals in the body and are caused by just being alive and breathing and doing what we do everyday. this is the basic wear and tear that our bodies recieve, anti oxidants and other chemicals are thought to slow down this process and help people live longer. But the bottom line is that your life span is determined by how we treat our physical bodies.

first of all people werent designed to last past age 40 normally, but since we've managed to add 30 some odd years on to that, it makes life a little more mysterious. like what are we supposed to do with it?

well our govt will tell you that you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT, after all its a world of opportunity out there. but thats a crock of shit, to put it lightly. but overall its the biggest piece of wool that has EVER been pulled over your eyes, they live out their lives in the most glorious of way, in huge mansions, they eat caviar and smoke cuban cigars and have private aircraft and MILLIONS of people making it all possible for them. Every piece of technology every piece of refined metal and plastic and glass came from us. we made it from the raw materials at our disposal. but it took alot more work to make the jet fuel and to build the aircraft it goes in, than the people who actually use it would EVER think of putting into it.

the fact is, there is a small percent of people who exploit the rest of the world so that they can live a life worth living.

why do i know all this, because we are here to do two things, and we all do them (except a few very unlucky people who never get the second), these 2 things are to reproduce, have sex, procreate (put it ANY way you want it) and die. theres no way of getting around it.

and this thing we all call life. its just filler. none of it matters at all, and no this doesnt mean give up on your life because life can be fun, but not as fun as it could be if we'd just get rid of these fucking rich people.

everyone should grow their own food. build their own houses. there shouldnt be anything called money, currency of ALL types should be disolved except the IOU, everything else would be aquired through trading or makin it yourself.

then and only then would the quality of life be dependent on how good YOU make it. Not how good the 50,000 chinese kids who slave away to make your nike shoes and abercrombie and fitch clothes, and the factory workers who dive used cars and have a 1 story house and 2 kids have made it FOR YOU.


it just makes me sick that people out there who run around a basket ball court for half the year make more than all the private buiseness' in new york put together (probably not, but you get the point im trying to make).


ANY WHY THE FUCK IS A STUCK UP RICH PREPPY KID RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?????

id like to bet that his votes came from the same people who would've given him a wedgie and locked him in a locker back in highschool. and of course the people who dont have enough brain power to even think for themselves.

no offense bush supporters, but hes an idiot. theres no getting around it, look at the mother fucking country, watch cnn for 5 min and if you dont get sick of the state of things then you're just one of them.

[God v2.0]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i may have gone just a tiny little bit off topic there......:rolleyes:

[Doctor mj]

LOL GODv2.0
Nice read though!

[Wesley Pipes]

Why even post if your not gonna read?

Also Doctor mj that is a bit interesting and usually I cant see my self living past 52, not that I dont want to but I just dont wanna get old and will be happy for my life to end at that time.
when i hovered it looked interesting, but when i entered suddenly it looked too long lol

[TheLion]

People are always asking, "Is it possible to transcend spaced and time?"...
The answer is yes and no. We can transcend space, but time is inescapable. "Time" is interchangable with "degredation". Degredation is an inescapable aspect of the natural process of our universe.

[Jimmicrackedcorn]

We are at the whim of the great magnet, let go man :D
If you open ure eyes in the morning, this is the only purpose to life, everything else is, always has been, and always will be an opinion, the state of the country and such, this doesn't bother me, its not really that bad, I can hop on a plane and travel many places, becuz to som1 else, I'm the fatcat, because I just so happen to live in a country where the economy is strong, and its the same for basketball players, they play basketball, other people picked up on them, a 15 yr old doesn't know the ins and outs of joining the NBA, the man in a suit does, the kid is just doing what he does, and I think fair play for making money from bouncing a ball around, we are governed by a piece of paper with pictures on it, whatever the fuck you think it symbolizes, thats what it is in any language, so anything you can do to get this voucher, I don't particularly look down upon.

If we were to go back to being self sustained, we need to let go. Stop thinking in terms of rights and all that shit, that makes people basically just pop a squat and have a tantrum, while those around them all swoon. If you get robbed from, you should have been watching ure stuff more intently, if you wanna live in a world where we're all in peace, then, thats just never, ever, gonna happen. The world was never in peace, the state of peace, is not peace, it is the acceptance of everything, and you have to understand that shit happens which is totally out of ure control and comprehension, which includes all the bad shit that could happen to you, the firey pits of burning magma, are as real as the daisy blowing in the wind, you can't call one beautiful and the other not, but it is opinion, which in essence is fuck all, but pictures in ure head. Your opinion is worthless, think about the millions upon billions upon trillions of thoughts you have, like all the subsidiary thoughts that reinforce the understanding of one concept, like a table for instance, say a table to sum1 and an image is flashed in to there head, its not just a table, its 4 legs, its a physical blob encompassing space, but you perceive it as the one thing, some1 says a name to you, and you instantly have reconstructed the nose, eyes, mouth, and only a very few of these thoughts, are gonna get through to you "consciously" (whether we are just one strand of electric sparks, or a mean average density of the brain over the electromagnetic moments in the faraday cage, blablaba), and even fewer, are gonna have such a resonance on ure life, that you actually change ure way of living.

I wonder which electrical impulse, actually got through, and where it started, how an electrical impulse can become a word, everything just seems like a huge game of luck, from intelligent design, to the quantum mechanics behind things, to the crack in the wall, the earthquake, what the fuck? why right now? right there, in that particular slither of the earth? what is the definitive reason. You can say all you want about this and that, and time, and perception, consciousness, and Einstein, and Feynman, QED, QCD, they broaden understanding, and in particular have made unbelievable technological advancements, but we draw lines between them, perception is a slightly different word from consciousness and therefore provokes a different train of thoughts. You got to remember the universe knows not of any such boundary, physics, biology, geology, astronomy, psychology, and so on, they're all the same, this you can't wrap your head around, we live in a world of set boundaries, where everything adds up to something else, the problem is we think we can see it, I don't think even time knows what its doing, its pure Chaos in the mathematical sense of the word. Among the characteristics of chaotic systems, described below, is a sensitivity to initial conditions (popularly referred to as the butterfly effect). As a result of this sensitivity, the behavior of systems that exhibit chaos appears to be random, even though the model of the system is deterministic in the sense that it is well defined and contains no random parameters. Examples of such systems include the atmosphere, the solar system, plate tectonics, turbulent fluids, economies, and population growth. How can you define something, which is never the same? fuck knows, but I think the original post was trying to get at, don't worry about numbers and definite boundaries and integers, you are as young as you feel, aka, do what you want when you want to do it, don't let any mental concept get in ure way, but saying that when you get in to philosphy, things quickly become several different meanings simultaneously, proving, not to take it all so seriously, and not to take for granted what it was initially for, that oh so sweet notion of 'Fuck it!'.

[Reefer Rogue]

I've always wondered what it would be like to live in a world without any sense of time.

Don't wear a watch.

[orangeman]

when i hovered it looked interesting, but when i entered suddenly it looked too long lol

Man your really stoner-lazy xD.

[notsocoolnow]

you hsould read einsteins dreams is has really cool concepts of time. good book easy read

[God v2.0]

We are at the whim of the great magnet, let go man :D
If you open ure eyes in the morning, this is the only purpose to life, everything else is, always has been, and always will be an opinion, the state of the country and such, this doesn't bother me, its not really that bad, I can hop on a plane and travel many places, becuz to som1 else, I'm the fatcat, because I just so happen to live in a country where the economy is strong, and its the same for basketball players, they play basketball, other people picked up on them, a 15 yr old doesn't know the ins and outs of joining the NBA, the man in a suit does, the kid is just doing what he does, and I think fair play for making money from bouncing a ball around, we are governed by a piece of paper with pictures on it, whatever the fuck you think it symbolizes, thats what it is in any language, so anything you can do to get this voucher, I don't particularly look down upon.

If we were to go back to being self sustained, we need to let go. Stop thinking in terms of rights and all that shit, that makes people basically just pop a squat and have a tantrum, while those around them all swoon. If you get robbed from, you should have been watching ure stuff more intently, if you wanna live in a world where we're all in peace, then, thats just never, ever, gonna happen. The world was never in peace, the state of peace, is not peace, it is the acceptance of everything, and you have to understand that shit happens which is totally out of ure control and comprehension, which includes all the bad shit that could happen to you, the firey pits of burning magma, are as real as the daisy blowing in the wind, you can't call one beautiful and the other not, but it is opinion, which in essence is fuck all, but pictures in ure head. Your opinion is worthless, think about the millions upon billions upon trillions of thoughts you have, like all the subsidiary thoughts that reinforce the understanding of one concept, like a table for instance, say a table to sum1 and an image is flashed in to there head, its not just a table, its 4 legs, its a physical blob encompassing space, but you perceive it as the one thing, some1 says a name to you, and you instantly have reconstructed the nose, eyes, mouth, and only a very few of these thoughts, are gonna get through to you "consciously" (whether we are just one strand of electric sparks, or a mean average density of the brain over the electromagnetic moments in the faraday cage, blablaba), and even fewer, are gonna have such a resonance on ure life, that you actually change ure way of living.

I wonder which electrical impulse, actually got through, and where it started, how an electrical impulse can become a word, everything just seems like a huge game of luck, from intelligent design, to the quantum mechanics behind things, to the crack in the wall, the earthquake, what the fuck? why right now? right there, in that particular slither of the earth? what is the definitive reason. You can say all you want about this and that, and time, and perception, consciousness, and Einstein, and Feynman, QED, QCD, they broaden understanding, and in particular have made unbelievable technological advancements, but we draw lines between them, perception is a slightly different word from consciousness and therefore provokes a different train of thoughts. You got to remember the universe knows not of any such boundary, physics, biology, geology, astronomy, psychology, and so on, they're all the same, this you can't wrap your head around, we live in a world of set boundaries, where everything adds up to something else, the problem is we think we can see it, I don't think even time knows what its doing, its pure Chaos in the mathematical sense of the word. Among the characteristics of chaotic systems, described below, is a sensitivity to initial conditions (popularly referred to as the butterfly effect). As a result of this sensitivity, the behavior of systems that exhibit chaos appears to be random, even though the model of the system is deterministic in the sense that it is well defined and contains no random parameters. Examples of such systems include the atmosphere, the solar system, plate tectonics, turbulent fluids, economies, and population growth. How can you define something, which is never the same? fuck knows, but I think the original post was trying to get at, don't worry about numbers and definite boundaries and integers, you are as young as you feel, aka, do what you want when you want to do it, don't let any mental concept get in ure way, but saying that when you get in to philosphy, things quickly become several different meanings simultaneously, proving, not to take it all so seriously, and not to take for granted what it was initially for, that oh so sweet notion of 'Fuck it!'.


You ever build a house son? You ever do 9-5 backbreaking labor for 5-6 days a week? Im sure ya haven't, because you would realize that the amount of work put in compared to the amount recieved is much less. And how does it all ballance out? With some poor guy working himself to death just trying to support himself and his family. You may not directly affect someone when you but a pair of shoes but every action has an equal and opposite reaction, so then doesnt that mean that for every thing we do we face exactly what we were trying not to do as well?






But fuck it right? Hah, I had that attitude recently about EVERYTHING, but you come to realize that if you say fuck it to everything then your life falls apart, you lose your job, you're poor etc. So you cant say fuck it to everything. and when you do say "fuck it" then usually someone elses has to do it for you. hmm should i wash the dishes like im supposed to? ahh fuck it im gonna go buy some pot and beat off a few times.

[Jimmicrackedcorn]

Thats not what I meant at all man, I never said any of it balanced out, because firstly, what things are you trying to balance? I've never built a house, I've worked 7 days a week, fixing up a house for a few months, but that wasn't that hard, so I guarentee I have no more of a clue than you, what those people are going through, but I don't remember saying that the amount received ever equals the amount put in. If you want to worry about the kids on the other side of the world you can, thats the point. Do what you want, the world is never gonna fall apart, we're not talking about economies and peoples feelings now, we're talking about time, that thing that encompasses everything ever bought in to existance, I think it can accomodate the exploitation of billions of workers/slaves, as it already has. The opinion behind the matter is a different thing, thats ure personal view towards it, one mans picture in his head, as we can see by simple observation, shit carried on, regardless of whether it was fair or not, it carried on.

I get what ure saying, it is shit the way you can bounce a ball around and get money, while somewhere u'd have to break ure back for pittence, but I wasn't talking about making people happy, I was talking about reality.

The Fuck it! was to say, no1 has a clue whats going on, yet it still goes on, so ure comprehension of whats going on, can't be all that important, cuz there are 6.5 billion slightly varying opinions, which cover a laaaaaarge spectrum of beliefs, from the sun is burning ball of gas, to it is the testicle of the lions mane, yet the sun is still there, still doing what it does, and will be doing what it does, long after I'm gone, my perception of it, can't be that important, since there are blind people in the world, those who suffer paralysis, deafness, surely these people would have no sense of time, if they were deaf, blind, dumb, and paralyzed, yet they don't live on, they die just like the rest of us, I haven't got an answer, but I certainly don't think its one, definitive thing. In other words, if I'm alright, if the people I want to be around me are alright, I have food and water, I'm set, every1 else is big enough to worry about themselves, that probably sounds selfish, but I don't really wanna meddle in shit that could have giant reprocussions, or particularly give a shit about justifying peoples actions, cuz people will still do them, just like the sun will still keep coming round, even if I think its a giant crystal on a glass dome, it will be there.

[God v2.0]

well i do understand what you're saying but i remember that in another thread you said something like, you can't look at something and know what it is, like just because the room is illuminated the instant you hit the light switch doesnt mean that light can travel anywhere instantly, like for ex. the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old.

so think about that, the way you look at the beam or particle of light actually changes its observable properties.

so can anyones perception of something really be correct? nope, because you're the only one whos gonna understand the significance of your own personal universe.




like for example as i get older i realized that this is all a giant figment of my imagination and on several occasions (especially last night) the universe has actually made fun of me. which leads me to believe that it must be a creation of my own mind, because it made fun of me in VERY VERY personal ways. but thats just my own crazy interpretation of my existence

[graph]

This is the way it works.

Imagine a train. Now, imagine riding that train. You know what your final destination is, but you really can't see that far ahead. No, all you can see is each track at a time, maybe a few tracks in the distance, but that's about it.

Now imagine if you could look at a map of that train's journey, you'd be able to see all the parts of it at once. If you had a map, you could run your eyes from the very beginning to the very end, or vice versa, if you so desired. It's not that time does not move, but that it is unimportant.

Now, imagine being able to travel freely between periods of your life. That is, in essence, the ability of seeing in the fourth dimension. When you realize that time is secondary, you realize that no one ever truly dies, for they are eternally trapped in their memories.

[God v2.0]

what about people who have been long forgotten? they dont exist, their synaptic pathways have long since been disolved and their brain tissue no longer exists. and im sure that if were talking about a nobody from 2k years ago that nobody remembers them. so therefore they dont exist now, but they did.




you can't seperate time and space, if you were to go back in time you would just become yourself exactly as you were at the point you went back to.

[graph]

what about people who have been long forgotten? they dont exist, their synaptic pathways have long since been disolved and their brain tissue no longer exists. and im sure that if were talking about a nobody from 2k years ago that nobody remembers them. so therefore they dont exist now, but they did.




you can't seperate time and space, if you were to go back in time you would just become yourself exactly as you were at the point you went back to.
Exactly. You would be, like I said, trapped in your memories.

Now, let's say you have a friend that died. Humans are not free to wander around in the 4th, but if they were, your friend wouldn't be dead, because you'd be able to go back and relive all of the experiences you two had been through together.

You are made from atoms that have been put together like a puzzle. These atoms existed eternally before you, and will continue to exist eternally after you.