OBL is the real crusader

[Bong30]

It pretty much sums it up.....

Jonah Goldberg:
Radical Islam -- globalization for losers
April 27, 2006


OSAMA BIN LADEN'S ratings are falling. His latest pronouncement was a yawn. His scripts could use a rewrite. "Infidels" this, "crusaders" that. Blah, blah, blah. We've heard it all before.

However, one new wrinkle in Bin Laden's diatribe deserves more attention, as it illuminates the nature of the West's struggle against radical Islam. "I call on the mujahedin and their supporters in Sudan â?¦ and the Arabian Peninsula to prepare all that is necessary to wage a long-term war against the crusaders in western Sudan," Bin Laden declared. The crusaders in question are United Nations peacekeepers, who aren't even in Sudan yet but who are going to stop genocide there â?? we hope. Bin Laden suspects a Western plot to install U.S. bases and destroy Islam in Sudan, and he wants to fend off the U.N., which he calls an "infidel body" and "a tool of crusader-Zionist resolutions." If he thinks the U.N. is a tool of the Zionists, clearly, he needs to get out of his cave more.
Nonetheless, Bin Laden's call to open a new front in Sudan highlights some underappreciated aspects of the jihadist mission. First, most people being slaughtered by Sudan's Arab-controlled government are Muslims. Bin Laden wants his holy warriors to fight for a Sudanese right to exterminate indigenous Muslim tribes. In this, Bin Ladenism represents a perverse form of globalization.

In the West, we tend to talk about globalization as if it's a euphemism for Americanization. But there are many competing forms of globalization. Even anti-globalization activists favor the "right" kind of globalization, one driven by the U.N. and "progressives" instead of corporations and markets.

Radical Islam is globalization for losers. It appeals to those left out of modernization, industrialization and prosperity, particularly to young men desperate for order, meaning and pride amid the chaos of globalization. Radical Islam provides it, but at a terrible price.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported the sad tale of the demise of Mak Yong, an ancient form of dance and theater in Southeast Asia drawn from pre-Islamic faiths, including Hinduism. But such traditional cultural influences are now considered "un-Islamic."
"Many Southeast Asian Muslims now navigate by guideposts from the Arab world," the Journal reported. "Young men in Indonesia are starting to wear turbans and grow beards. In Malaysia, Malays have adopted the Arab word for prayer, salat, to replace the Malay word, sembahyang, which literally means 'offer homage to the primal ancestor.' "

This is merely an extension of trends that have already transformed the Middle East. As Fareed Zakaria writes in "The Future of Freedom," until the 1970s most Middle Easterners "practiced a kind of village Islam that adapted itself to local cultures and to normal human desires. Pluralistic and tolerant, these villages often worshipped saints, went to shrines, sang religious hymns and cherished art â?? all technically disallowed in Islam." This indigenous form of Islam was bulldozed by urbanization and radicalization. The Iranian Revolution was a harbinger of the transformation toward a more "universal" Islam that was also more doctrinaire; "Islam of the high church as opposed to Islam of the street fair," Zakaria writes.

Reihan Salam, a coauthor of one of the smartest blogs going right now â?? theamericanscene.com â?? is an American of Bengali descent who argues that the death of Mak Yong represents "globalization at its worst." He rightly notes that if the choice is between the globalization of "crass Arabization" and the globalization of "crass Westernization," then it's no choice at all.

Although Western-style globalization may force certain technological and economic changes on indigenous cultures, it also provides those cultures with the tools and flexibility to keep much of their culture. The hard Islam coming out of Riyadh and Tehran offers no such freedom. Recall that Afghanistan was a Muslim country for centuries, but it wasn't until the jihadi thugs of the Taliban took over that the historic Bamiyan Buddhas were deemed an offense to Islam and destroyed.

Bin Laden's call to kill U.N. peacekeepers is consistent with the Islamist desire to impose a harsh, "one true Islam" across the Muslim world (and, someday, they hope, the non-Muslim world too.)
Too many intellectuals and commentators take the ignorant and condescending view that because jihadism is exotic, it is also "authentic." On the right, this often translates into the view that all strains of Islam are alike â?? and equally dangerous. And on the left, we get the usual knee-jerk defense of any seemingly "indigenous" foreign movement that casts America as a global villain. The reality is that in the war on terrorism, America is on the side of freedom and diversity. Bin Laden & Co. are the real crusaders.


Can you guys even grow a beard? Ladies, do you know where to get a berka?

well if they have it there way, you better figure this stuff out.

The other side......:thumbsup:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg27apr27,0,5513404.column?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

[Bong30]

didnt say anything here guys.................i thougt about politics, and then did some reserch, and found this article that has some very interestin view point.

It just doesnt fit you left wing commie objectives..........

so you guys dont say shit................. tell me how OBL isnt the real crusader.

[eg420ne]

Tell me how USAma made NORAD stand down...Tell me why USAma told Willie Brown and pentagon officials not to fly on 911...Tell me how USAma knew about the War Games going on 911...Tell me why bush administration let the BinLaden family fly out when no1 else could..

[pisshead]

i don't see osama threatening to jail that chinese woman under the patriot for heckling the chinese dictator that we rolled the red carpet out for, literally i guess, for our socialist neo-con anti-US pro-world dictatorship.

i don't see osama dismantling the constitution. i see anti-american sovereignty and anti-constitution cfr members and puppet presidents and fancy world bankers from their fancy world banks in nice suits doing that.

and building 7? how did osama know about that? he's a good go-to man i guess to blame things on...even when it explains so little of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

[eg420ne]

Why did the bush regime lie about not knowing there was imminent attack about to occur..why did all the warnings go unheard of....Why did Bush take the FBI off the trail of AlCIAduh & USAma

[Bong30]

piss
lets take the goverment back, quit bitching start voting, killing, i dont care.

we intruduced him as the republic of china...thats tiwan what ever

we are shmozzing him so when we bomb the fuck out of iran he wont do anything stupid.

chineese lady...please what was she charged with disorderly conduct ohh no...

didnt she have fake creditials to get in?

[eg420ne]

USAma wasnt the one who had the patRIOT act ready right after 911, and USAma is not the one who forces old women in wheelchair to be felt up by TSA, or grabbing womens breast, or making lil white kids to take off there shoes to see if they have a bomb

[Bong30]

Tell me how USAma made NORAD stand down...Tell me why USAma told Willie Brown and pentagon officials not to fly on 911...Tell me how USAma knew about the War Games going on 911...Tell me why bush administration let the BinLaden family fly out when no1 else could..

i dont know eg,but i dont through my country under the bus, for this stuff just through bush, not america

[Bong30]

The reality is that in the war on terrorism, America is on the side of freedom and diversity. Bin Laden & Co. are the real crusaders.

it says america not Bush i see the differance can you?

[pisshead]

6 months to a year in jail. i'm glad you think it's funny.

that's the problem i guess. you'd gladly see some lady go jail for a year for talking to the chinese dictator, as long as she didn't have the proper credentials?

i think you should have the freedom to heckle a dictator, while it's still allowed. i wonder if it's still allowed if you go to prison for a year.

and from the patriot act isn't for terrorists to accepting it being used for ordinary citizens...you're a good doublethinker.

that woman gave up a 400,000 a year job as a top transplant surgeon to be an activist.

osama didn't do shit.

[pisshead]

USAma wasnt the one who had the patRIOT act ready right after 911, and USAma is not the one who forces old women in wheelchair to be felt up by TSA, or grabbing womens breast, or making lil white kids to take off there shoes to see if they have a bomb

yeah, the patriot act isn't a light read. the whole fucking congress had several hours to read the whole thing before voting for it...under government sponsored anthrax attack.

it's going to keep us real good and safe. it's the framework for a totally tyrannical dictatorship, but it'll keep us safe from those freedom hating terrorists.

we gotta put those people who heckle chinese dictators in jail.

[eg420ne]

No i see 911 as an golden ticket for the bush regime, everything points towards our goverment as the real crusader, and you cannot dismiss the evidence that our own government made 911 happen and its not the war on terror, i thought u got the memo...Its "The Long War"-----PNAC any1

[eg420ne]

Yeah pisshead cant have no1 interrupting the Decider and his pet HU...shame on her..send her to gitmo

[Bong30]

6 months to a year in jail. i'm glad you think it's funny.

that woman gave up a 400,000 a year job as a top transplant surgeon to be an activst.
its funny cause in china should would have been killed....

and she is dumb

god bless america

[Bong30]

if she broke a law.... she needs to pay 6 mo to a year what are the charges piss?

[pisshead]

its funny cause in china should would have been killed....

and she is dumb

god bless america

at this point, i can only pray to god that you are kidding.

either way, you really don't care if people go to jail for free speech, and you consider this freedom. congratulations.

[Gumby]

funny how quickly Bong stopped supprting Bush...

don't forget it's not Bin Laden who has killed 350,000 people in Iraq for freedom... it's not Bin Laden who spies on his own people... it's not Bin Laden who lies on television about his goals... it's not Bin Laden who thinks he flew planes into the WTC... It's not Bin Laden that waged war on the american people first, we waged war on them... Bin Laden just last week, for the FIRST TIME, threated the american people... because he doesn't have people who follow him blindly.

Bush lied, cheated and spread propaganda around for 5 years about how we should hate terrorist and Muslims... Just because you believe his crap doesn't mean he is right... But if you remember right we went into Afghanistan for Bin Laden, now that country is wosre than we found it and more people die there today they they did before we went to find Bin Laded... They had him trapped and we about to capture 'the guy who was behind 9/11' yet let him go to go into Iraq??

defend Bush for that move...

[Bong30]

i am done with bush on immagration

he is changing his tune

piss why did she choose to heckle him here? answer this please

[eg420ne]

This is america what gives The Decider the right to say no free speech, this is what America is based on free speech for every1 anywhere anytime...I forgot hes the Decider...

[Bong30]

here is the whole story you guys suck

she was begging bush to help...... she think more of our pres. than you guys

hey i got it you guys take your asses to china... talk some shit ill come to your funeral...not

China's President Hu Heckled at Arrival Ceremony
Updated

President Hu Jintao was heckled at the White House arrival ceremony today, forcing President Bush to apologize.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A heckler from the Falun Gong spiritual movement, who entered White House grounds as a reporter, interrupted a formal arrival ceremony for Chinese President Hu Jintao on Thursday, prompting President George W. Bush to apologize to his guest.

After being welcomed by Bush, the Chinese president was just beginning his response when a woman, who had been allowed into the press section, started shouting. She was escorted away by a uniformed U.S. guard.

"President Hu, your days are numbered. President Bush, make him stop persecuting Falun Gong," the woman yelled. U.S. officials later identified her as Wang Wenyi, 47, a reporter with The Epoch Times, an English-language publication strongly supportive of the meditation movement that is banned in China."This was unfortunate and I'm sorry this happened," Bush told Hu, according to Dennis Wilder, a senior official with the National Security Council.


Michelle Malkin has the video, which, according to Newsbusters, China censored from CNN. Interestingly, CNN didn't protest:

"From time to time the Chinese authorities do disrupt CNN's signal into mainland China," CNNi spokesman Nigel Pritchard tells NewsBusters. "It happens every so often."

Pritchard declined to say whether CNN protests such acts of censorship to government officials. "I'm not going to discuss my or CNN's coversations with the Chinese government," he said. The network does not make public protests against such censorship, according to Pritchard.


Drudge is reporting that Wenyi Wang, Hu's heckler, was charged with disorderly conduct and intimidating a foreign official. She is still in custody.

Update: More information on the apology:

Chinese leaders place high importance on protocol and symbolism, and Bush moved promptly to deal with the protest on the lawn. Once they reached the Oval Office, Bush apologized to his guest.

"He just said this was unfortunate and I'm sorry it happened," said Dennis Wilder, acting senior director for Asian affairs on the National Security Council staff.

Hu was gracious in accepting Bush's apology, Wilder said. The two leaders moved on in their talks and it was not mentioned again in several hours of meetings. In what the White House described as a sign of their friendship, Hu and Bush sat next to each other at the luncheon _ a departure from traditional protocol that would have them at different tables.

White House officials have worked with Chinese counterparts for months on every detail of Hu's visit. "I'm not going to stand here and tell you that they were at ease with this situation," Wilder said. "But I would be extremely surprised if the Chinese blame us for this." He said it was "a momentary blip."


President Hu got a lesson on this thing called free speech:

CHINA'S President suffered the embarrassment of being heckled for more than a minute on the White House lawn yesterday by a protester who accused him of persecution.

The arrival ceremony for Hu Jintao was interrupted by a woman from the banned Falun Gong religious movement. She began shouting from a camera stand directly in front of President Bush and his guest.

"President Bush, stop him from killing," she shouted. "Stop persecuting the Falun Gong . . . President Hu, your days are numbered. No more time for China's ruling party." The incident took place immediately after Mr Bush urged President Hu to allow Chinese to "speak freely".
The Chinese leader, unaccustomed to such public protests, stopped speaking briefly until Mr Bush lent over and reassured him. Later Mr Bush personally apologised for the incident.


So, Ms. Wang was arrested for doing what Bush recommended. And what's with the "intimidating a foreign official" charge? How ridiculous.

there is atime and place for everything

let see how she is sentenced.......................

[eg420ne]

Shit talking..were in America dude you go to China..talking about free speech here in america......I will play War Pigs at your funeral(dont forget u said it first)

[eg420ne]

You know bong30 you almost sound like a commie--no more free speech for any1- bow down to your Decider:thumbsup: I tried to be nice but am forced to resort to republican tactics

[Gumby]

she came here and said something here because we are suppose to be free... we should be allowed to say what we want even if it's disagreeing with who's incharge... she didn't yell out over there because they get in trouble for it, something Americans shouldn't get in trouble for...

Bong - what don't you get about free speech?

[Bong30]

Shit talking..were in America dude you go to China..talking about free speech here in america......I will play War Pigs at your funeral(dont forget u said it first)
no eg what i said is when you are killed for talking your mind in china.... cause you would be.. i wont be there

you guys forget that we can sit here yelling, debating each other without fear of Persecution. In china we would be dead

hey im getting an elbow today:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

You know bong30 you almost sound like a commie--no more free speech for any1- bow down to your Decider:thumbsup: I tried to be nice but am forced to resort to republican tactics


I think he is part of it... i never really believed in Alex Jones to the death and thought some of his things were bullshit... but I think Bong is set up to do this, cause he sounds like an idiot... like these guys who follow blindly... just thought they weren't real and that this was america... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=775624453542988631&pl=true

[Bong30]

she came here and said something here because we are suppose to be free... we should be allowed to say what we want even if it's disagreeing with who's incharge... she didn't yell out over there because they get in trouble for it, something Americans shouldn't get in trouble for...

Bong - what don't you get about free speech?

yell fire in a theater dumb shit


what dont you get

you are so young and so dumb...with rights come responsibility come on gumby you are better than this

like debating with someone who hasnt had 5th grade social studies

[Gumby]

no eg what i said is when you are killed for talking your mind in china.... cause you would be.. i wont be there

you guys forget that we can sit here yelling, debating each other without fear of Persecution. In china we would be dead

hey im getting an elbow today:thumbsup:

tell that to the lady in jail for yelling.. she wont be free for a year....

[Gumby]

i didn't see her harm anyone, or cause a rush... I did see her lie or say anything that wasn't true.... I didn't see her do anything to harm anyone... why should she be in jail... If I'm that dumb please explain to me how freedom of speech can lead to jail time if you hurt no one??

[eg420ne]

I think he is part of it... i never really believed in Alex Jones to the death and thought some of his things were bullshit... but I think Bong is set up to do this, cause he sounds like an idiot... like these guys who follow blindly... just thought they weren't real and that this was america... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=775624453542988631&pl=true
Yeah that video is a real eye opener, everything in America is upside down, up is down down is up, freedom is slavery--war is peace--ignorance is strength--1984

[Gumby]

i knew there was a little bit but, couldn't believe it too the full extent... didn't think there were poeple dumb enough to let this continue and that much support for it... But it's poeple like Bong who take away my thoughts of freedom everyday....

[Bong30]

i didn't see her harm anyone, or cause a rush... I did see her lie or say anything that wasn't true.... I didn't see her do anything to harm anyone... why should she be in jail... If I'm that dumb please explain to me how freedom of speech can lead to jail time if you hurt no one??

gumby 5th grade civics

C. Exceptions to Freedom of Expression

Many exceptions to the First Amendment protections have been recognized by the courts, although not without controversy. Courts sometimes justify these exceptions as speech which causes substantial harm to the public, or speech which the Founding Fathers could not have intended to protect, or traditions that have long been part of the common law tradition from England that was the basis of our American legal system.

Rather than merely reciting the list of established exceptions, it is important to understand the rationale for making exceptions to free speech protection under the Constitution. The value of free speech sometimes clashes with other important values in our culture.

How should we weigh the relative importance of these competing social values? How do we balance free speech against racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism which promotes values we despise as a country? against speech which some consider a symptom of the decay of society's traditional values? against speech which directly results in physical injury to another person?

Exceptions established by the courts to the First Amendment protections include the following:

Defamation | Causing panic | Fighting words | Incitement to crime | Sedition | Obscenity

was she defaming? causing panic? using fighting words? incitment to crime? sedation? obscenity?

do you want me to show you were there are more limits to the first ammendment.....

i dont know about you sometimes..... your hate of america is clouding your view.

[Gumby]

no she wasn't doing any of them... so I don't understand why you think she shouldn't have been able to talk...

Freedom of speech is often regarded as an integral concept in modern liberal democracies, where it is understood to outlaw censorship. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of expression is not absolute; governments may still prohibit certain damaging types of expressions. Under international law, restrictions on free speech are required to comport with a strict three part test: they must be provided by law, pursue an aim recognized as legitimate, and be necessary (i.e., proportionate) for the accomplishment of that aim. Amongst the aims considered legitimate are protection of the rights and reputations of others (prevention of defamation), and the protection of national security and public order, health and morals. It is generally recognised that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.

I can pull definitions too... whoopie... she did nothing to harm anyone...

you're head being up Bush's ass is what is clouding your view of america... what you don't understand is how far away from a democary we are and how many right Bush has taken away from us... what don't you understand about limiting the constitution and right of americans... perhaps you should read the Patroit Act... that is unamerican.. not my idea that everyone should be allowed the same liberties as long as we harm no one.. that's what a democracy is and what America was founded on... so if you would like to go to a place where you are not free to speak your mind you move...

[Bong30]

The right to freedom of expression is not absolute; governments may still prohibit certain damaging types of expressions. Under international law, restrictions on free speech are required to comport with a strict three part test: they must be provided by law, pursue an aim recognized as legitimate, and be necessary (i.e., proportionate) for the accomplishment of that aim. Amongst the aims considered legitimate are protection of the rights and reputations of others (prevention of defamation), and the protection of national security and public order, health and morals. It is generally recognised that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.[/B]
she did nothing to harm anyone...

was she defaming him?

you're head being up Bush's ass is what is clouding your view of america...

my head is up uncle sams ass.......

thanks gumby for proving me right thanks you will come along yet

[Gumby]

In the most general terms, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Defamation can come in either the form of libel (oral defamation) or slander (written defamation). To succeed in a case for defamation, you have to prove four elements: 1) a false or defamatory statement was made against you; 2) the statement was made to a third party (anyone other than you, either verbally or in written form); 3) if the defamation was of public concern, then the publisher of the defamation had to be negligent; and 4) you suffered damage, such as an injury to your reputation or, in some cases, mental anguish.

Furthermore, there are several instances that result in defamation â??per se,â?� i.e., the damages are presumed. These instances include attacks on a personâ??s character or standing, allegations of adultery, allegations someone has an STD, or allegations that a person has committed a crime or moral turpitude. The laws of defamation, however, differ by state, so make sure to check your local statutes if you feel you have been defamed.


she lied about nothing and if you only speak the truth about a person, it isn't defamation... google a few more words before you try to use them...

[Bong30]

you are right she did nothing wrong......... we live in a police state

ya know what she is still inocent till proven guilty... here in the good ole usa

china they would have chopped her up and sold organs

[Gumby]

On Wednesday, the protester who disrupted the White House lawn ceremony for Hu will appear in court to answer charges that her outburst amounted to a threat, punishable by up to six months in jail and a $5,000 fine.

Wenyi Wang, a doctor who lives in New York and a member of Falun Gong, a religious sect that is suppressed in China, disrupted the ceremony when she repeatedly shouted such slogans as "President Bush, stop him from persecuting the Falun Gong."

Later, when they were in the Oval Office together, Bush apologized to Hu.

China will watch this case very carefully, and it has already urged the U.S. to punish her. Bush, as Hu's host at the White House, was right to apologize for the rude interruption, but he should not apologize for America. Here in America, justice is not stamped, "Made in China." In America, we value protest and free speech.

There is an old Chinese proverb: "Follow the local custom when you go to a foreign place." Instead, a spokesman for the Chinese foreign ministry, told reporters that such demonstrations threaten relations between the two nations.

China doesn't recognize protest. In February, just weeks ahead of Hu's visit to Washington, China freed a man who had spent nearly 17 years in jail for throwing paint on a portrait of Mao Zedong during pro-democracy protests in 1989.

Bush did the right thing when he raised China's poor record on human rights rights during his meetings with Hu, but his words will lose credibility if Wenyi Wang is sent to jail for her one-woman protest on the White House lawn.

In this country, it is not a crime to criticize the president of the United States. It might help persuade China to improve its record on human rights if it is also not a crime in the U.S. to criticize the leader of another country.

Hu should get another lesson on democracy on Wednesday when Wang appears in court.

http://www.masslive.com/editorials/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1146297249297720.xml&coll=1

from a republican paper... so if she does go to jail then what??

[Bong30]

up to 6 months and fine UP TO UP TO UP TO

she will spend the time in jail that she is there now IE (time served)and will pay 500 bucks and probation for 6 months.

she did somthing wrong

i once jumed a fence and was skateboarding in the pool.... i got busted and payed the piper

fucking easy guys break the law and pay

[Gumby]

she should be punished I agree... but for a president to ignore what China is doing and to put it aside and ignore the protest it unamerican... Protestors get arrested everyday... it's the people who arrest them and not listen to what they are protesting that are unamerican... it's them who should be in jail... that's what is wrong with the situation, not that she will serve time, but that our government will do nothing about what she went to jail for...

[Bong30]

dude i live near boulder if i had a nickle for every "free tibet" bumper sticker ive seen id be rich.

He isnt ignoring it... they have big problems

but they are not killing us under jihad...thats good

what up with what they are doing to the Environment


ohh yea i was going to school to be an Environmental engineer....

[Gumby]

so what is the difference between a dictator in China and Dictator in Iraq? Is it the muslim religion?? why is it ok to act out against their indifferences and not the one's in China? Could it be cause Hu has Bush by the balls and he knows he can't?? China is in much worse condition than Iraq... Million protest in China and when was the last time you saw a news show come from china?? But you're right... lets bomb the shit out of Iraq and Iran and any other small country we want to.. lets forget about Sudan and China.... the major countries with problems... that's the best route..

[Bong30]

so what is the difference between a dictator in China and Dictator in Iraq? Is it the muslim religion?? why is it ok to act out against their indifferences and not the one's in China? Could it be cause Hu has Bush by the balls and he knows he can't?? China is in much worse condition than Iraq... Million protest in China and when was the last time you saw a news show come from china?? But you're right... lets bomb the shit out of Iraq and Iran and any other small country we want to.. lets forget about Sudan and China.... the major countries with problems... that's the best route..
yes i would say islam is the diff...i dont hear china calling for a JIHAD.

i didnt say forget about sudan or china....we need to help them too.


when japan thought they had some, we gave them some, didnt we?

china and america would fight an economic war before a real war

we dont want to attack china as much as they dont want to loose out money.

they might arm iran...some more russia will too... but oh well

[Gumby]

I just think it's a bad omen to let china continue to do what they are doing and to claim america as the 'leader in the global war on terror'... if we're gonna take the title we should enforce it... otherwise, we should realize that fighting it may not be the answer...

educating is still a reasonable response as well as deplomacy... there are a lot of bad people out there and a lot of things need to change... but if americans think we can just tell people how a democracy is ran and kill everyone who doesn't want to help it... it's not going to work... Fighting isn't the answer in china and it's not the answer in Iraq...

cause we will lose if we have to face China or Russia... we have no chance... peace isn't spread with guns and bombs, it's spead with love and education