be tolerant

[GHoSToKeR]

in my eyes god doesnt exist. but, i totally understand and embrace other people who believe in god. everyone has their reasons for believin in a god or gods, and it helps them get along with their lives. the way i see it, god exists in the people who need him, but thats it. :) the lyrics to 'Jesus Walks' by Kanye West say it perfect...

"I ain't here to argue about his facial features
Or here to convert atheists into believers
I'm just trying to say the way school need teachers
The way Kathy Lee needed Regis that's the way I need Jesus"

the way i see it, it doesnt matter what other people believe, only what YOU belive, what YOU have faith in.. dont get down and angry because the people around you dont think the same way as you... we're all humans man, shit. we're all made outta the same stuff, wether we black, white, japanese, american, portuguese, it dont matter! when we'r naked we'r all the same, maybe we're different colours, shapes sizes, but what does that matter? if u get one white cat and one black cat, one cat from india and one cat from pakistan, and put them in a room, they dont start beatin on eachother? naw, coz none of that shit matters! we all the fuckin same in the end!. so anyway, just be tolerant of ppls beliefs and accept it, and hopefully theyll do the same about you and your beliefs, oherwise this world is gonna get more and more fucked up, and its gonna stay fucked up, but if we all learn to be tolerant, then we'll be aiight.. just remember, no matter what anyone else believes, the only thing you should give a fuck about is WHAT YOU BELIEVE.. if ppl start to think that like, then hell, maybe one day all this bullshit will stop and we can live in world without fighting, killing, war, all that shit.. and thats what we all want, right?

Edit: To any mods, i know i posted this on the spirituality forum too, but plz dont delete it :)

[clevemire]

Preach on, brother ghost toker!

Seriously, I agree with you. I don't believe in any god either, but I believe in myself and my abilities. :)

[KronicKing]

religion causes to many problems 80% of wars and killing are over it....yet another useless human concept there seem to be alot out there but i totaly agree with u ghost

[GHoSToKeR]

yea religion does cause alot of wars, simply coz no1s fuckin tolerant of other ppls beliefs.. its all "im right, ur wrong" that kidna shit, it totally sucks

[Ammie]

no comment ill move on ;)

[YES]

Well, its a good philosophy, but i just dont agree. Im not even gonna go into it.

Religion does cause wars, and its sad that it does. If we would all just sit down with a bong everyday, i think the world would be a better place. Sure we would all be coughing our lungs up but we'd be happy right?

[kyle]

yeah i agree, ive been told that im going to hell by ppl in my skool and that there religion is the right one and the others are fake and all that, well i believe der is a god but its not up there to ansewer prayers and bless you, gods in everyone whethere he or she chooses to embrace it or not, personnaly i dont i believe we are controlled by a superior being but like i said i beleive that god is in all of us and it is called our concious

[GHoSToKeR]

YES why dont you agree with being tolerant of other people and their beliefs?

[Mole2k4]

firstly,
put 4 males cats in a room, and they will fight, fact.
;)
regardless of where they are from.
lol
and on a serious note, to be honest, I know what your saying.
But wars are caused by other people IMPOSING, their views onto others.
It's not all, peace and love, or, you mind yours, i'll mind mine, because it's an integral part, for them to recruit others.
For example, sorry to use these faiths, but they are the most obvious.
Muslim's only go to their "heaven" if they recruit other people into the faith.
And Jehovah's witnesses and admittadly christians now a days do.
for example, I dont believe in a 6/8 armed blue elephant, but I don't insult it, the problem rest's in all faith's attacking each other, because it's part of that faith.
Christian's are taught god is the only god, others are taught allah. etc etc etc
The problem is the faiths themselves and the followers without enough free will to determine where to bend the rules.

[YES]

Ghostoker, I do believe in being tolerant and understanding of other people beliefs. What i meant was i dont agree with was you statement about not being a God. I believe in a God and if that makes me a sucker (as someone has told me before) so be it.

IM just curious, why dont you believe in a God? What do you think is the purpose of life with no creator. Im not gonna preach im just wondering.

Im a bit of a philospher and theologion, so this could go all night. Im confused about many things concerning religion and everytime i debate with someone my head starts to hurt. By i respect you and whatever you believe.

[YES]

"The problem is the faiths themselves and the followers without enough free will to determine where to bend the rules"

Mole, i agree. What value is your faith if you dont question it and you accept it with no doubt. For a person like that needs to seriously consider their beliefs. I fight with my faith everyday but i just cant deny it. My head hurts.

Faith does not have to be the equivalent of fear. Do not fear your faith. Be willing to challenge it, for if you do not you dont have true faith.

Faith. . . meh.

[GHoSToKeR]

YES, believing in God does not make you a sucker at all. Your opinion that there is a god is just as valid as my opinion that there isn't one.

I also believe it to be just as true, in a way. By this i mean I don't believe that there is a man or woman sitting in heaven or wherever, who created the universe and is omnipotent and omniscient, and that is MY truth, but I do believe God exists in the mind of the people who believe in him, and that is YOUR truth. To you, there is a God. It's that simple. To me there isnt a God. It's that simple. I don't, and probably never will, know which one of us is right or wrong but I dont believe it matters. What matters is what us as individuals believe. God exists to you, and his presence may help you get along with your life. That's the important thing.

As far as an omnipotent, omniscient God who sits on his thrown in heaven and sends us to heaven or hell goes, I don't believe that. Simply because, in my opinion, it is just as believeable as saying Leprechauns or Unicorns or Big Foot exists. I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof :) I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created.

As for the point in our existance, I don't know what it is. I believe that we don't have a 'reason for being here', we just are. There is no almighty goal that we must struggle towards. We create our own goals on the way, and seek out our own personal fullfillment :) It is different for each of us, and that is why i say God exists in you but not in me. You may see your faith as your reason for being here. I do not have that faith, but it doesn't mean my existence is any less important as yours, just that we are looking for fullfillment in different places and in different ways :)

[YES]

Sorry for three in a row but i just thought of something.

Its hard for some people to be tolerant of others beliefs because they are insecure with their own beliefs. I mean think about it. They spend so much time and devotion on their religion that when someone questions it they go immediatly into defense mode.

I once knew a Evolution Professor who told me even if there was proof that Gid did create the earth he couldnt believe it because he spent almost hes whole life devoted to evolution. Even if ther were hard facts that disproved evolution he couldnt believe it because that would mean he life was wasted. I dont think his life would be wasted.


If he found the truth. But what is the truth.

Everything seems slowmotion.

But just live your life. I wish it was that easy.

Some people are just drones. They live their life beliveing everyhitng they were taught never questioning for themselves. That my friends, is a waste.

And i conclude with,

"Tis better to have said nothing and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

That had nothing to do with the pint. Sorry for the long post that didnt make much sense.

[GHoSToKeR]

YES, believing in God does not make you a sucker at all. Your opinion that there is a god is just as valid as my opinion that there isn't one.

I also believe it to be just as true, in a way. By this i mean I don't believe that there is a man or woman sitting in heaven or wherever, who created the universe and is omnipotent and omniscient, and that is MY truth, but I do believe God exists in the mind of the people who believe in him, and that is YOUR truth. To you, there is a God. It's that simple. To me there isnt a God. It's that simple. I don't, and probably never will, know which one of us is right or wrong but I dont believe it matters. What matters is what us as individuals believe. God exists to you, and his presence may help you get along with your life. That's the important thing.

As far as an omnipotent, omniscient God who sits on his thrown in heaven and sends us to heaven or hell goes, I don't believe that. Simply because, in my opinion, it is just as believeable as saying Leprechauns or Unicorns or Big Foot exists. I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof :) I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created.

As for the point in our existance, I don't know what it is. I believe that we don't have a 'reason for being here', we just are. There is no almighty goal that we must struggle towards. We create our own goals on the way, and seek out our own personal fullfillment :) It is different for each of us, and that is why i say God exists in you but not in me. You may see your faith as your reason for being here. I do not have that faith, but it doesn't mean my existence is any less important as yours, just that we are looking for fullfillment in different places and in different ways :)

[YES]

Wow Ghostoker, you are one intellectual guy. Even though we dont agree on religion i have found someone who has put thought into this. Wow. I like you my friend.

" I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created."

That is the boundary that the human mind must break free of. Faith, its all about faith. Some people have it and others dont. But its not that simple.

This world doesnt exist, it doesnt.

[GHoSToKeR]

Some people are just drones. They live their life beliveing everyhitng they were taught never questioning for themselves. That my friends, is a waste.

Exactly!! Spirituality and religion are not the same, but what with organized religion, they have almost become confused with eachother! To believe in something, to have faith, does not mean that you are right and people who think differently are wrong, which is what religion teaches us to believe!

Logic is a funny thing, because two people can logically look at the same situation and come to different conclusion, each thinking the other to be wrong. That is what religions do, they also promote anomosity, hate, fear, they cause divides and splits between groups of people, between families and friends. If we were to throw away the shackles of organized religion and all believed what we want to believe, and consider others opinions just as valid as our own opinions, then the world will be a much better place!! :) thats how i see it anyway, but hey, im just 17, what do i know!? lol :p

[GHoSToKeR]

Even though we dont agree on religion i have found someone who has put thought into this. Wow. I like you my friend.


Hey, who said we have to agree!?!? :) lol

[YES]

Im really tired, we should continue this some day in chat or something.

You have impressed me, alot.

Let me ask you this. Do you think you see the world as it truly is?

Goodnight all.

[GHoSToKeR]

"do you see the world as it truly is?"

thats a tough question.. if you mean can i look at the world objectively, then no. Everything i see is seen subjectively. The way i percieve people, places, things, time, space, anything, is personal to me. I have my own opinions and therefore view things differently to everyone else.

im not sure if you mean "do you see the world as it exists" or "do u see the world the same as everybody else" though. If you mean the first question, then I do not know, because everyones interpritation of events and things is different, so what can i compare my interpritation of them to? If you mean the second question, then like i said at the beginning of this post, no, I don't.

Anyway, we can continue this some other day coz im fuckin knackered too

peace man :)

[KillaBuzz]

well if yah want my oppinion on this go to the spirituality thread an read "if god were real wood he want us smokin weed". an example ov how pissed i get when ppl r idiotz.
PeAcE

[GHoSToKeR]

whoever called catholicz bastardz n said they beleive in ethnic cleansing is a tru fuckin idiot. here u r, belittling a race becuz u think they belittle other racez. i juss cant stand ppl who talk shit bout otherz beleifz, especially when they dunt even got their factz straight. hopefully sumbody agreez wit meThats my point. Talking shit about others beliefs gets you nowhere, just makes you look like a twat. That's not saying i agree with these religions, i just think they have as much as a right to an opinion as me, and i'm not gonna put them down for it..

"For those that believe, nothing can be more real.
To those that do not believe, nothing can be more false"

I'm not sure exactly how that quote goes, but its something like that. In other words, because I dont believe than religion is totally false, but for people that do believe, it is completely %100 right. Theres no one in between that can decide whos right or wrong, because everyone has beliefs and opinions. So, if no one is impartial enough to decide whos right or wrong, and if neither side has any proof of what theyre saying, then why argue? Why not just agree to disagree and leave it at that? :)

[KillaBuzz]

see ghost, if ppl were az respectful az u r, there woodnt b any troublez. u kno how 2 show yer oppinion without bein an asshole bout it. werd up buddy. u think alot like i do, in that, since erybodyz oppinion iz based on their beliefz, which r different then erybody else'z, not too many ppl'z oppinionz r gunna b the same. ppl who cant hear out others and respect their oppinionz shood maybe think bout the reasonz y they cant accept other ppl'z beleifz, cuz there aint any reason that justifies prejudice ov any sort. i like yer thinkin tho man.
PeAcE

[GHoSToKeR]

But wars are caused by other people IMPOSING, their views onto others.
It's not all, peace and love, or, you mind yours, i'll mind mine, because it's an integral part, for them to recruit others.
For example, sorry to use these faiths, but they are the most obvious.
Muslim's only go to their "heaven" if they recruit other people into the faith.

Ah! thats where i'm at a loss... it'sn ot good enough, like you said, just to respect each others beliefs and leave it at that, when people are actively trying to recruit people to their religions, because this will always cause trouble.. but, what im saying (and i know i'll get shit for saying this) is that instead of having organized religions like we do today, we should believe whatever the fuck we wanna believe.. i understand if people have faith in god or gods, but why do people let themselves be told how to live their lives by people who have given themselves the power to do so? thats what i dont understand.. i'll probably never understand it, and it'll probably never change... but i can try, right? ;)

[GHoSToKeR]

see ghost, if ppl were az respectful az u r, there woodnt b any troublez. u kno how 2 show yer oppinion without bein an asshole bout it. lol cheers man, but it aint easy

i can listen to people explaining why they believe what they believe, and i accept it as their opinions.. but i get pissed off when, like Mole said, people try to impose their beliefs on you.. they give me shit for not believin in god and for not havin a religion, like im gonna go to hell for sinning.. i try and explain that "YOU believe im gonna go to hell, but i DONT believe that, so what ur sayin doesnt make a difference to me" but they carry on and on, tellin me im wrong and gonna go to hell for my beliefs.. thats the kind of shit that pisses me off, thats the kind of shit people need to stop

Edit: i should give sermons to Atheists LOL

[Ammie]

lmfao see this is y i said no comment :D:D:D:D


cant we all just get along :confused: :confused:

[KronicKing]

lol ammie,say ive always wonderd(well since i saw an episode of the simsons) could jeasus microwave a burito so hot that he himself connot eat it? think about that =P sory this was gettin to deep for me if i started reading this thread id be sparked and in a bad mood all day i always end up ina bad mood when i think about stuff...make you see how much this world really....hmmmmm i cant think of a word to describe it but u get the point...damn u ghost u seem to be able to spark me with your post,makein' me all mad u ass!!!! haha keep on postin' stuff like this i like the arguments and thereies(whoa rele bad spellin') i get to read just not 1 on religon i could go on for days aboot it

Kronic

[Deloused]

I dont have such a problem with people who believe in a religion, but i frown much upon the churches them-selves, and the leaders of the religion. I find that christianity actually brainwashes members, I have a sister who never believed in it, went to a few of these "Christian youth clubs" and came back obbsessed with praying and constantly talking about "jesus". I have found books aimed at infants that automaticaly impose the fact that god exists on the child, without even questioning the possibility that god DOESN'T exist. It puts the child in the same position as in a classroom learning science, they cant question it, becuase they are been told that it is real. I think people should be of a certain age beforen they join a religion. LOL haha, now that sounds piggish. O well,

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

wow a stoner debate... haha i love you guys(in a friend waay... im not gaay but i am tolerant of them :D)

[YES]

I can never explain myself the way i want when such strong topics come up. Im not very good at explaining myself.

[Ammie]

lol ammie,say ive always wonderd(well since i saw an episode of the simsons) could jeasus microwave a burito so hot that he himself connot eat it? think about that =P sory this was gettin to deep for me if i started reading this thread id be sparked and in a bad mood all day i always end up ina bad mood when i think about stuff...make you see how much this world really....hmmmmm i cant think of a word to describe it but u get the point...damn u ghost u seem to be able to spark me with your post,makein' me all mad u ass!!!! haha keep on postin' stuff like this i like the arguments and thereies(whoa rele bad spellin') i get to read just not 1 on religon i could go on for days aboot it

Kronic



lmfao ahahahahahahahah i love u kk u were my first wittle wub bug ;)

[GHoSToKeR]

I dont have such a problem with people who believe in a religion, but i frown much upon the churches them-selves, and the leaders of the religion. I find that christianity actually brainwashes members, I have a sister who never believed in it, went to a few of these "Christian youth clubs" and came back obbsessed with praying and constantly talking about "jesus". I have found books aimed at infants that automaticaly impose the fact that god exists on the child, without even questioning the possibility that god DOESN'T exist. It puts the child in the same position as in a classroom learning science, they cant question it, becuase they are been told that it is real. I think people should be of a certain age beforen they join a religion. LOL haha, now that sounds piggish. O well,
dude i totally agree

kids are brought up believing "god exists, he'll kick ur ass if u dont do this that or the other" blah blah blah, they never get the chance to think for themselves, because theyre "too young" and by the time theyre old enough to think for themselves, its almost like theyve been brainwashed to believe what theyve been told al their life.. thats why its hard to explain MY beliefs to people, because almost everyone has grown up believin in some sort of religion or god, so alot of ppl believe atheists or non-believers (i dont like to be called an atheist as such, coz i dont like to be labelled into one particular group) are the worst type of sinners lol so i agree, ppl should be givin the chance to decide for themselves

a few ppl in my family were Jehovahs Witnesses.. now im not sayin that Jehovahs Witnesses are wrong or they have thje wrong idea, BUT they are one of the most arrogant faiths ive come across.. they forbid their children to have friends that arent Jo-Hoes (jehovahs witnesses), if you leave the Jo-Hoes you cant be friends with all ur old friends who still r Jo-Hoes, if sum1 in ur family gets kicked out (yes, they actualyl kick people out for not stickin to their rules, then make it look like theyre doin u a favour by speakin to u and lettin u back in) then u can lo longer have anythin to do with that person, even tho theyre in your family!!!! now to me, thats just WRONG.. i accept their beliefs but that is totally wrong.. anyway im ramblin and im gonna stop (for now ;))

btw King, sorry for makin u mad man lol i just like listenin to other peoples opinions on things like this :)

peace

-GHoSToKeR-

[dog420]

MAN created GOD

[KillaBuzz]

dogz got a great point there. never rlly thot ov that 1. an i kno how u feel YES, i alwayz start typin an i think im onto sumthin but i can never think ov the right wordz 2 explain myself, but i try anywayz haha.
PeAcE

[jolly green giant]

lmfao see this is y i said no comment :D:D:D:D


cant we all just get along :confused: :confused:


NO!

[GHoSToKeR]

NO!
:( :confused: :mad: :eek: :mad: :confused: :( :( :confused: :mad: :eek: :mad: :confused: :(

[jolly green giant]

:( :confused: :mad: :eek: :mad: :confused: :( :( :confused: :mad: :eek: :mad: :confused: :(
it was just a short honest answer to a massive question.
human beings will NEVER all get along any one who thinks otherwise is a dreamer. im a realist..

[GHoSToKeR]

lol i know, youre right.. but being a realist can also mean being a pessamist...


just because you dont think it'll happen, doesnt mean theres no point in trying :)