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starmark
03-14-2006, 07:03 PM
hi everyone....5 weeks in flower,just doesnt look as full as i think it should be ....here is the setup...unknown strain was told ww x nl...rockwool,ebb and flow,1450 ppm...ph 5.7....1000 hps any thoughts or advice....thanks

friendowl
03-14-2006, 09:43 PM
they are gonna fatten up soon.
looks like mine at that stage.

starmark
03-14-2006, 10:18 PM
i hope so...i'm pretty disappointed right now

The White Snoop
03-14-2006, 10:25 PM
Just the strain..If it was anything you did it would have been the lighting schedule. But some strains take longer than others. It WILL faten up man just stay positive...Lookin great by the way..take some lights off shots so we can see the color:rasta: later

fhydro
03-15-2006, 06:52 PM
It's IMO the sativa phenotype. I've got the same problem with my WWxBB and grapefruitxnev haze. For the last crop i had some sensi skunk #1. AFter 1 month on 12/12, i could see only the bud sites but no real buds. After 2 month of 12/12 the latest had been finally the fattest, believe me. I don't believe me myself, because i'm worry about my crop like you. Can you see the trichs ?
Fhydro

graph
03-15-2006, 08:56 PM
They're looking good. Keep us updated.

latewood
03-16-2006, 05:23 PM
looks like a toxicidity problem to me...

starmark
03-16-2006, 08:04 PM
i was kinda wondering that too since i've never flushed between nute changes

starmark
03-16-2006, 08:05 PM
thanks ya'll

Garden Knowm
03-17-2006, 09:22 AM
looks like a toxicidity problem to me...


Hey late...

what do you see?
burning tips?

i am interested in your diagnosis..

thanks

love
: )

latewood
03-18-2006, 02:55 AM
OK, don't laugh...I mean it...rof.
Oh, and I am not knocking your grow...Starmark, I think they look nice overall, but since you asked and then knowmy asked...well, I will give it my spin

I need a 2 question's answered to make a better assessment,
1. What is your recipe?
2. How hot is it in your room?

...but here go's...In a quick pass, I looked at pix and said that look's:( like the start of multiple nutrients overdose

1st off, I can't see the colors of the leaves...
I see...burnt tips...curled/twisted leaves...fan leaves pointing to the sky, cupped veiny leaves...

here is the funny part. they have that frazzled cat look about them. That is why my eye saw toxidity...

Now, after looking at them with a little more interest and compassion....I still can't see the colors, but it could be a potassium deficiency...hard to tell

Starmark, could you get some pix without the hps on or put a shade implement in front of it, so to alleviate the Yellooooooooo's

On the subject of flushing/leaching...It would be a good idea if you are in rockwool blocks/slabs at least once a month. IMHO:smokin:

OK knowmy...What do YOU think:confused:

karmaxul
03-18-2006, 03:45 AM
By deficency do you mean lockup?

One love
c

latewood
03-18-2006, 05:51 PM
no, lockup would be what I was referring to as toxidity...

deficiency means you don't have enough. Now, you can be deficient due to lock-up, but not necessarily always then case. Sometimes I will add a just one part to top-off to balance res; If I am sure I have a deficiency.

As I said, without being able to see the true colors of the leaves, It could go either way...There is not so much wrong in the 1st place...I just took notice, 'cause I have seen that in the past.

I got out the bible and the appearance of the leaves and the fact that starmark stated they were behind in bulk leads me to believe that it could be lack of potassium maybe iron deficient...could be due to lock.

If the tips are red then it is toxidity, if yellow deficient.*

*I could be wrong, but I believe that deficiency does not automatically mean locked! There just might not be enough of mineral...

Another note: Just because you have a ppm range of 1450; Does not mean that you have the right nutrient mix.
so, you could cause some nutrients to lock-up others, or
...as I said, there just might no be enough potassium/potash.

I just got Milwaukee EC meter and found that I have been running very strong, between 1500-1700ppm's (tds malfuntioned awhile back causing me to run off...tried/true recipe's. This works by the way.)

another note...I confirm that using AN 3-part at light/moderate light formula concentration's is high levels by nutrient standards, and I didn't kill my schtuff in the past...But, now having EC meter, I will lighten-up my nutrients to less toxic-possible levels.

hope this wasn't too much 'chitman.lw

starmark
03-18-2006, 07:28 PM
hi ya'll,i just did a 48 hr flush...its too late into flower to do much more with these...btw,i'm using lucas formula

starmark
03-18-2006, 07:29 PM
my cam skills suck

starmark
03-18-2006, 07:39 PM
my growing skills too

karmaxul
03-18-2006, 10:40 PM
They look ok. A high tds will make the plant flower a bit earlier do to stress but yield and high are effected in my opinion. For hydro I reccomend 300ppm of added ions and the high level is what is causeing the burning of the leaf tips.

latewood
03-19-2006, 01:45 AM
nice looking nugs, man...

I am curious. You say you are using lucas. Are you using any additives?
and, Did you use lucas on the grow you are comparing your girth to?
thanks lw

Kush Over
03-19-2006, 02:12 AM
To be honest, from the last shots, looks more like heat stress. Besides the fan that we see in the first set of pictures how are you cooling your 1000 watt? And, what size is the grow room?

starmark
03-19-2006, 02:26 AM
the flower room is 8x5 ft and it stays under 80 this time of year...i've got a 4" inline fan cooling the light .....as far as additives calmag plus is all i use

starmark
03-19-2006, 02:36 AM
on my first grow latewood ,i used gh 3 part,but used a nutramist fogger .....had super results,no probs,then ,i got a bigger fogger,had to move and now the fogger is too big for the room i have ,due to humidity ...as i get better skills with ebb and flow hopefully i'll see better results.....i'm still looking for a new residence with the right rooms to get the fogger up and running.

latewood
03-19-2006, 04:42 AM
well, bro...I say you are on the right track. I would look into adding Liquid Karma and perhaps hygrozyme.
I think you will really like the results. goodluck