Top US evangelist targets Islam

[Great Spirit]

A repeat of the Crusades. I hate this fucken shit and assholes like Pat Robertson. Fundemental religion is the problem of the world! I'd hate to see the place where he goes after he dies.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4805952.stm

Outspoken US Christian evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson has accused Muslims of planning world domination, and said some were "satanic".

On his live television programme, The 700 Club, he said radical Islamists were inspired by "demonic power".

A US religious liberty watchdog called the comments "grossly irresponsible".

Mr Robertson had to apologise recently for calling for Venezuela's president to be killed, and saying Ariel Sharon was struck down by divine retribution.

His latest comments were expunged from The 700 Club's website, but Mr Robertson's Virginia-based Christian Broadcasting Network confirmed them with a transcript.

On the programme, the 75-year-old preacher responded to a news item about the reaction of Muslims in Europe to the publishing of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

The footage showed Muslims screaming "May Allah bomb you! May Osama Bin Laden bomb you!"

Mr Robertson said the pictures "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with".

He went on to say that "Islam is not a religion of peace", and "the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen whether you like it or not, is world domination".

Mr Robertson said in a statement later he was referring specifically to terrorists as being motivated by Satan.

The Reverend Barry W Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the comments "grossly irresponsible".

"At a time when inter-religious tensions around the world are at an all-time high, Robertson seems determined to throw gasoline on the fire," he said.

Mr Robertson, who says his programme is watched by a million Americans daily, has come under intense criticism for recent comments.

He suggested that American agents should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez , and said the stroke that left Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in a coma was God's punishment for Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

In both cases he issued an apology within days.

[Euphoric]

The footage showed Muslims screaming "May Allah bomb you! May Osama Bin Laden bomb you!"

Mr Robertson said the pictures "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with".

He went on to say that "Islam is not a religion of peace", and "the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen whether you like it or not, is world domination".

do you see the irony?! the pure hypocrisy?? :eek:

[mont974x4]

Are you mad because he's right? Islam is not a peaceful religion. He isn't calling for a crusade either...get over your own hate.

[Great Spirit]

Are you mad because he's right? Islam is not a peaceful religion. He isn't calling for a crusade either...get over your own hate. No no no you're not listening. Whenever you take religion to an extreme, then problems are created. Christian fundementalism is a very dangerous ideology. The Roman Catholic Church is no different than Islam because it was responsible for the deaths of many "heretics". Robertson is a Christian fundementalist. The true meaning of Christianity and Islam is love. Love for ALL people no matter what religion because we are all One. Why do you think it is written that love is greater than faith? Islam is a very old religion but it is still a religion with fallacies as is Christianity. However, Sufis are Muslim mystics and they understand the concept of religion...that it is the outward form of worship and spirituality is the inward form of worship. Allah, Jehovah, The Lord are all the same.

I used to be a fundemental Christian and would say that Robertson was not Christian enough! They believed that since Israel came together after WWII, that the End Times are upon us and that Satan will use Russia, China, and the Muslim nations to strike America and Israel. 9/11, which was a staged attack by the government to bring a dictatorship in Amerika, is what the fundementalists use to back up their hate against Muslims and it succeded! Remember that Christian fundementalists believe that America was founded by Christian men and that we are God's nation and we must support Israel, lest we fall in favor from God.

Most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are very ignorant. Ignorance is the true evil of the world and they excel at it.

[mont974x4]

alrighty then. lol

[Kokujin X]

No no no you're not listening. Whenever you take religion to an extreme, then problems are created. Christian fundementalism is a very dangerous ideology. The Roman Catholic Church is no different than Islam because it was responsible for the deaths of many "heretics". Robertson is a Christian fundementalist. The true meaning of Christianity and Islam is love. Love for ALL people no matter what religion because we are all One. Why do you think it is written that love is greater than faith? Islam is a very old religion but it is still a religion with fallacies as is Christianity. However, Sufis are Muslim mystics and they understand the concept of religion...that it is the outward form of worship and spirituality is the inward form of worship. Allah, Jehovah, The Lord are all the same.

I used to be a fundemental Christian and would say that Robertson was not Christian enough! They believed that since Israel came together after WWII, that the End Times are upon us and that Satan will use Russia, China, and the Muslim nations to strike America and Israel. 9/11, which was a staged attack by the government to bring a dictatorship in Amerika, is what the fundementalists use to back up their hate against Muslims and it succeded! Remember that Christian fundementalists believe that America was founded by Christian men and that we are God's nation and we must support Israel, lest we fall in favor from God.

Most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are very ignorant. Ignorance is the true evil of the world and they excel at it.This guy Pat was going out on a limb by saying Isalm is evil, but he is VERY close. Has no one payed attention to the RADICAL muslim movements?! Iran's president himself said that he believes he was appointed by God to bring the end of the world. This radical muslim movement isn't any less dangerous because the middle east population generally doesn't have a stable military though. Do you realize that in the extremist muslim point of view, the 12 Imam (the muslim prophet) is coming to purge the Earth of infidels (anyone who isn't muslim) and "restore" peace to the Earth? And Iran's president says hes coming in 2 year....

I swear, I can't emphisize how much this radical muslim movement is overlooked. What do you think terrorists are? Their just a group of radical muslims who look to prepare the coming of the 12th Imam...

[Great Spirit]

Do you realize that in the extremist muslim point of view, the 12 Imam (the muslim prophet) is coming to purge the Earth of infidels (anyone who isn't muslim) and "restore" peace to the Earth? And Iran's president says hes coming in 2 year....
I believe that only a certain sect of Islam, the Shiias believe in that. It's a ripoff of the return of Jesus. Remember, Christians have killed in the name of God too and we're saying Jesus was going to return to destroy the unfaithful and throw them in a Lake of Fire. Its no different. There have always been radical religionists and Islam is no different. Islam needs to live up to its true meaning of love. We can't have assholes like Iran's leader or even America's leader, Bush in office because they use religion to their own advantage.

People are just fucken dumb and should realize the true meaning of religion.

[Kokujin X]

I believe that only a certain sect of Islam, the Shiias believe in that. It's a ripoff of the return of Jesus. Remember, Christians have killed in the name of God too and we're saying Jesus was going to return to destroy the unfaithful and throw them in a Lake of Fire. Its no different. There have always been radical religionists and Islam is no different. Islam needs to live up to its true meaning of love. We can't have assholes like Iran's leader or even America's leader, Bush in office because they use religion to their own advantage.

People are just fucken dumb and should realize the true meaning of religion.Yes, yes, Christians killed in the name of God too. BUT, their is somewhat of a diffrence here that I see. Events such as the crusades happend because of crazy people, and by that I mean it was them themselfs that commanded these things. There is no passeges in the christain bible that condones the slaughter of a person just because of non-beliefe. The crusades were a horrible event and they were totally in the wronge. BUT, if you read even a few of the 160 some odd Holy war verses in the Koran, you can clearly tell where these radical muslims get their ideas. Here is just an example

[2.193] And fight with them (infidels) until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

These verses can easily be taken in a negetive way (thus the radical muslims) once a bible starts speaking of killing thoes who oppose its God, then things become sticky.

Another diffrence between the 12th Imam and the return of Jesus is that Jesus is to reign for 1000 years, after taking out the anti-christ and all his followers. The 12th Imam comes to reign for 7, creating peace during the start of his reign. He does this by basically "restoring" the earth to an all Islam state. Or at least, an all Islam ruled state. I'm not so sure how the Dijaul ties into muslim end time prophesies though...

[Oneironaut]

Right. It all depends on which passages you choose to read, and which you choose to ignore. Christianity and Islam aren't inherently "peaceful" or "hateful". If you look through their holy books, you'll find messages of peace alongside messages calling for genocide. It's just proof that the authors of those books were not divine.

For example, looking through the Christian Bible, it's not hard to find passages telling you to be peaceful.

Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another.

But then we find God calling for or causing the deaths of adulterers, gays, believers in other gods, children who make fun of bald guys, and anyone who happens to have been born into the Amalekite tribe:

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
As long as such statements continue to be printed in Bibles everywhere, it's clear that Christianity cannot be a peaceful religion. I suppose it's good that most Christians either ignore those passages or don't bother to read their own holy book. But Muslims tend to live in very religious surroundings. They read the Koran and they take it seriously. That's the only reason there are more people willing to kill and die for Islam than for Christianity, since the Koran contains a similar mix of peaceful and hateful statements.

[Great Spirit]

Another diffrence between the 12th Imam and the return of Jesus is that Jesus is to reign for 1000 years, after taking out the anti-christ and all his followers. The 12th Imam comes to reign for 7, creating peace during the start of his reign. He does this by basically "restoring" the earth to an all Islam state. Or at least, an all Islam ruled state. I'm not so sure how the Dijaul ties into muslim end time prophesies though...

Thats interesting because the Christians believe that there will be 7 years of peace promised when the anti-christ reigns. However a lot of the fundementalists believed the anti-christ would be the last pope and not a member of Islam.

Remember, in the Old Testament, it was commanded that homosexuals and prostitutes were to be put to death on the spot. Also, this god of the OT demands animal sacrifices for remission of sins, with Jesus being a human sacrifice!! In the OT, it is forbidden to have a human sacrifice to atone for sins. Allah of the Koran doesn't seem to care about animal sacrifices though. There is the same amount of violence between the Bible and the Koran. Remember how the OT god said to kill all of the women in children when the Israelites sacked Jerusalem? I thought this was the true God of love as so many profess to believe in, and he's commanding to kill children in his name?!

Remember that Jesus never stoned the prostitute in the Gospel when the Jews tested him. He had compassion for her and technically sinned because he went against the Law. We find now that the Law itself is just a guideline. Jesus was the Jewish Buddha, and probably there will arise among Islam a Master Teacher/future Buddha who will explain the true meaning of Islam.

The question you should be asking, is why Jesus DID NOT stone her when it is commanded in the Law to do so.

[Oneironaut]

The question you should be asking, is why Jesus DID NOT stone her when it is commanded in the Law to do so.
Because fictional characters (http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm) can do whatever their authors want them to do.

[Great Spirit]

Because fictional characters (http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm) can do whatever their authors want them to do. Jesus or "Y'shua which was what he was called, was a real person. There are outside sources such as Josephus who confirm this. However, when the Church became the official religion of the Roman Empire and the Church grew in power, the Jesus of theology and Jesus of history became apparent. In the Gospel of Mark which they say was the first Gospel written, chapter 16 verses 9-20 are not in the earliest manuscripts. That verse actually demonizes Mary Magdalene and says that whomever is baptized and believes in Jesus will be saved.

The true message of Jesus was to love one another no matter what race or religion you are. Thats the reason why this world is so shitty because we have fucken assholes who hate others for the fuck of it and want to remain in there egotistical self. No sane person can deny that love is the way to God. If you are a mean selfish person only concerned with yourself, you will have a very bad afterlife when you die, as you will face yourself. What is true in our minds is true.

We should have the faith OF Jesus...not faith IN Jesus, as Jesus said "why do you call me Great?"

[Kokujin X]

Thats interesting because the Christians believe that there will be 7 years of peace promised when the anti-christ reigns. However a lot of the fundementalists believed the anti-christ would be the last pope and not a member of Islam.

Remember, in the Old Testament, it was commanded that homosexuals and prostitutes were to be put to death on the spot. Also, this god of the OT demands animal sacrifices for remission of sins, with Jesus being a human sacrifice!! In the OT, it is forbidden to have a human sacrifice to atone for sins. Allah of the Koran doesn't seem to care about animal sacrifices though. There is the same amount of violence between the Bible and the Koran. Remember how the OT god said to kill all of the women in children when the Israelites sacked Jerusalem? I thought this was the true God of love as so many profess to believe in, and he's commanding to kill children in his name?!

Remember that Jesus never stoned the prostitute in the Gospel when the Jews tested him. He had compassion for her and technically sinned because he went against the Law. We find now that the Law itself is just a guideline. Jesus was the Jewish Buddha, and probably there will arise among Islam a Master Teacher/future Buddha who will explain the true meaning of Islam.

The question you should be asking, is why Jesus DID NOT stone her when it is commanded in the Law to do so. Jesus was pretty much the ultimate answer for all humans. Before Jesus came, there was no way for an unbeliever to be forgiven for his sins, besides sacrifice which they probably did not do. Jesus's purpose was to save, not to follow the law of the old covenant, which was done away with when Jesus came. In fact, the 10 commandments arn't even valid anymore. They would be good guidelines per so to a christian but they arn't the law of the current time. Much like laws of leviticus, violent ones that included death but such is the penalty for sin.

I would say that Jesus did not stone the woman because his way is the way of life, and through him she could be forgivin for being a prostitute, unlike thoes prostitutes who were in the past. Until Jesus came, christianity wasn't a stuggle to show people the way of life, but rather to keep the word of God in their group, until the messiah came.

[cashripper14]

let me educate all of u please, first off i praise great spirit for doing good and spreading a good for both sides..."keeping the peace" and i'd take a shit on mont's face if i could as well as koku because they are ignorant....wow people honestly live by what the media says and shows! im honestly pissed off....dam listen to immortal technique first off.....Islam is based off christianity okay......why is Islam looking so radical...because everyone fucked the middle east and gave birth to a demon...okay they are all mad at us"not me i hope cuz im not ignorant about this shit"....Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quran and i cant believe u can say some shit like that after fucking ur gay ass racist news......Muslims are peaceful...just because the president of Iran says something u believe that that's the will of the "Muslim God" "Allah" hes pissed off because nobody gives a shit about a palestinian kid trapt in a land where nobody gives a fuck weather u die or u live....why do u watch the news kuku? if they say lets kill all the fucking orientals are u gonna agree? so why do u agree if they say Islam is evil and shit? U have no idea whats going through my head right now.......ur making me hate ur ignorance.......In Islam who comes on Judgement day? Jesus Christ! thats right mother fuckers.......do not put shit on Muslims for killing people.....when Tim McVea bombed the Oklahoma City towers they didnt say anything about christianity nothing at all........when the serbian christians were doing genocide to the bosnian muslims u didnt hear that...well open ur eyes and ears because its a back and forth battle.....just because u see those carpet baggers on tv burning flags saying they hate america and God is gonna punish America doesnt mean we are all that innocent........cuz we just accidently dropped some bombs on some innocent people and killed everyone in their family except them.....and what do they have in their heads? hate and question of God.......please respond i want peace and this is why its troublesome to get it..........IGNORANCE and that pat robertson fucker can burn in hell racist ass bitch

[Kokujin X]

let me educate all of u please, first off i praise great spirit for doing good and spreading a good for both sides..."keeping the peace" and i'd take a shit on mont's face if i could as well as koku because they are ignorant....wow people honestly live by what the media says and shows! im honestly pissed off....dam listen to immortal technique first off.....Islam is based off christianity okay......why is Islam looking so radical...because everyone fucked the middle east and gave birth to a demon...okay they are all mad at us"not me i hope cuz im not ignorant about this shit"....Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quran and i cant believe u can say some shit like that after fucking ur gay ass racist news......Muslims are peaceful...just because the president of Iran says something u believe that that's the will of the "Muslim God" "Allah" hes pissed off because nobody gives a shit about a palestinian kid trapt in a land where nobody gives a fuck weather u die or u live....why do u watch the news kuku?

So are you saying he doesn't believe in what he says?

if they say lets kill all the fucking orientals are u gonna agree?

Agree with who? I don't believe in what Iran's president says, Im just saying his extremist attitude is a concern.

so why do u agree if they say Islam is evil and shit?

I never said Islam is evil, I was saying this radical muslim movement is dangerous.

U have no idea whats going through my head right now.......ur making me hate ur ignorance.......

Your right, I have no clue what your thinking... you don't even make sence.

In Islam who comes on Judgement day? Jesus Christ! thats right mother fuckers.......do not put shit on Muslims for killing people.....when Tim McVea bombed the Oklahoma City towers they didnt say anything about christianity nothing at all........when the serbian christians were doing genocide to the bosnian muslims u didnt hear that...well open ur eyes and ears because its a back and forth battle.....

Yeah, I realize these religions have been fighting since the biblical times. You act like you made some huge discovery.

just because u see those carpet baggers on tv burning flags saying they hate america and God is gonna punish America doesnt mean we are all that innocent........cuz we just accidently dropped some bombs on some innocent people and killed everyone in their family except them.....and what do they have in their heads? hate and question of God.......please respond i want peace and this is why its troublesome to get it..........IGNORANCE and that pat robertson fucker can burn in hell racist ass bitch

Bein stoned made that a lot harder to finish:stoned:

[mont974x4]

well that was certainly an insightful post, Cash. Way to add to the conversation.

[justinsane]

organized religion is a security blanket gone terribly wrong

[cashripper14]

alright ill take back what i said about shitting on kukus face but that doesn't erase the fact that the fucking media in America just shows the bad guys so that you all get scared and dislike those people..........then people like me who were born here and parents born here have to take shit daily because of whats going on over there........Has anyone in here faced racism? Take that on a day to day basis and ur gonna do a colombine shooting or blow someone up because u simply can't take it anymore. Ive been made fun of almost daily since 9/11 and everytime i turn on the news i see something else that people will try and bag on me about and its all because racists like Pat Robertson brainwash Americans in believing that we must fight a religion in order to keep order in the world. In that case lets call a genocide and say lets kill all the muslims and ill be the first in line and when God asks racists like Pat why he wanted to kill all these people and he can only say their evil......oh 1.5 billion evils based on ur believe and God pulls his little stick and the floor dissapears and pat ends up in hell. I can understand why u hate terrorist and trust me i hate them as bad as you do.....can u really say that someone that is bad is part of a clean peaceful religion...i think that at that point they are not part of the religion......Terrorists are not muslims..they claim to be..they try and use it but Gods gonna fry them because they make up their own words and try to lie to the poor people to gain more support...thats why u see all those poor people in the Middle Eastern societies going through radical terrorist Islamic ways...they feel that God commands them to fight back evil...the terrorist are the teachers...look at AFghanistan...Americans are helping them out and are actually going to have a friend over there if they rebuild it because they are showing that an Islamic Country and America can be friends and i'd like to thank America for getting rid of those dirty Talibs....i can't explain my appreciation for that....this whole racism needs to stop and understand BAD people don't represent religion at all...they are anti-religion. i still want to know how u guys feel about the issue and Great Spirit was right about the people being in a place where they are isolated from many differences so they all basically follow the same path as the next guy which is dangerous when most those countries are like 50/50 on the poor/rich population so 50% of the poor are more succeptable to being brainwashed into believing they are stuggling in life because the U.S. screwed them over somehow

[mont974x4]

LOL I'd kind of appreciate it if you decided to not shit on my face too.

BTW I agree we need to be sure to attack terrorists..all terrorists..regardlss of race or ethnic background. Mcveigh etc got taken down, all others should be on notice.

That does not mean Islam, true Islam not the whitewashed western version, is peaceful.

[Kokujin X]

alright ill take back what i said about shitting on kukus face but that doesn't erase the fact that the fucking media in America just shows the bad guys so that you all get scared and dislike those people..........then people like me who were born here and parents born here have to take shit daily because of whats going on over there........Has anyone in here faced racism? Take that on a day to day basis and ur gonna do a colombine shooting or blow someone up because u simply can't take it anymore. Ive been made fun of almost daily since 9/11 and everytime i turn on the news i see something else that people will try and bag on me about and its all because racists like Pat Robertson brainwash Americans in believing that we must fight a religion in order to keep order in the world. In that case lets call a genocide and say lets kill all the muslims and ill be the first in line and when God asks racists like Pat why he wanted to kill all these people and he can only say their evil......oh 1.5 billion evils based on ur believe and God pulls his little stick and the floor dissapears and pat ends up in hell. I can understand why u hate terrorist and trust me i hate them as bad as you do.....can u really say that someone that is bad is part of a clean peaceful religion...i think that at that point they are not part of the religion......Terrorists are not muslims..they claim to be..they try and use it but Gods gonna fry them because they make up their own words and try to lie to the poor people to gain more support...thats why u see all those poor people in the Middle Eastern societies going through radical terrorist Islamic ways...they feel that God commands them to fight back evil...the terrorist are the teachers...look at AFghanistan...Americans are helping them out and are actually going to have a friend over there if they rebuild it because they are showing that an Islamic Country and America can be friends and i'd like to thank America for getting rid of those dirty Talibs....i can't explain my appreciation for that....this whole racism needs to stop and understand BAD people don't represent religion at all...they are anti-religion. i still want to know how u guys feel about the issue and Great Spirit was right about the people being in a place where they are isolated from many differences so they all basically follow the same path as the next guy which is dangerous when most those countries are like 50/50 on the poor/rich population so 50% of the poor are more succeptable to being brainwashed into believing they are stuggling in life because the U.S. screwed them over somehow

Well, yes, Radical muslims are the main topic here. But, if you look at their scripture, there is a fine line between what Terrorists do and what Islam actually allows. Now, don't freak out. What I am saying is that in Islam, a lot of the Jihad verses are more about defending yourself, and encourages it in Allah's name. Take this verse for example

[2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

If the members of the Al-Qaeda honestly have it in their mind that the U.S. hurt the muslims then I don't see any reason not to declare a holy war, for retaliation is the clear goal of this verse. Essentially, it won't take much more fighting and violence in that area for more people to claim a "jihad" on thoes who harmed them. And I don't blame them, its IN the koran, commanded by Allah who in this religion is first priority. If I were muslim to tell you the truth I would probably be labled an "extremist" and it's clear that countries like Iran are trying to inflict the same damage recived (if not more). Such as denial of the holocaust, the Israelis slaughtered loads of palistinians and was not even mentioned. They are in turn, returing the favor. If you want to learn how they think, look at their point of view.

[cashripper14]

okay im not shitting on mont either...but what u first said pissed me off earlier like ur first post...i just hope u guys realize why some people love marijauna! makes me forget about all those faggots who make me look bad for no reason

[cashripper14]

[2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

i am not like a scholar of Islam or anything but this saying is like the one an eye for an eye...do not go overboard but if someone punches you in the face you have the right to punch him back but only if he downplayed your religion....see in Islam we are not allowed to do anything violent unless someone is acted against God or Gods will....no when they see posters of Muhammed being made fun of or rude sayings of Allah they feel like they must retailate....i think people are naturally stupid because in every religion God is the almighty and he takes care of all the bad behaived so i wish i could just tell those people don't worry about it alot of you are going ot be killed but at least those who fucking killed you are going to get it worse.

I have a question for any Christians though...im half white and half afghan so i understand both religions and i choose the religion of Islam because i feel that it suceeds Christianity but anyways why is it that you can confess your sins and believe that Jesus died on the Cross for any sin that you may commit...u could kill 14 people rape 12 people and burn a bible but as long as you believe in Jesus and confess ur sins you are okay...well at least this is what a friend told me and he stictly believes it...i asked him about all the people in prison who have committed crimes and he said they will go to heaven.....therefor the only thing you have to do "technically" is be christian to go to heaven no matter what you do on earth...at least thats the way i interpreted as... a reply would be great

[Kokujin X]

[2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

i am not like a scholar of Islam or anything but this saying is like the one an eye for an eye...do not go overboard but if someone punches you in the face you have the right to punch him back but only if he downplayed your religion....see in Islam we are not allowed to do anything violent unless someone is acted against God or Gods will....no when they see posters of Muhammed being made fun of or rude sayings of Allah they feel like they must retailate....i think people are naturally stupid because in every religion God is the almighty and he takes care of all the bad behaived so i wish i could just tell those people don't worry about it alot of you are going ot be killed but at least those who fucking killed you are going to get it worse.

I have a question for any Christians though...im half white and half afghan so i understand both religions and i choose the religion of Islam because i feel that it suceeds Christianity but anyways why is it that you can confess your sins and believe that Jesus died on the Cross for any sin that you may commit...u could kill 14 people rape 12 people and burn a bible but as long as you believe in Jesus and confess ur sins you are okay...well at least this is what a friend told me and he stictly believes it...i asked him about all the people in prison who have committed crimes and he said they will go to heaven.....therefor the only thing you have to do "technically" is be christian to go to heaven no matter what you do on earth...at least thats the way i interpreted as... a reply would be great LOL, please, don't attribute races to these religions... if you want to be technical it's most likely that the Israeli were closer to black if anything. It doesn't matter race, and its the same case for Islam.

"u could kill 14 people rape 12 people and burn a bible but as long as you believe in Jesus and confess ur sins you are okay"

In Christianity, it is through the grace of the Lord that you have been saved, not of works. Also, through the eyes of the Lord, sins are sins. Even a lie merrits death, so the severity of sins are not exactualy looked at. There WAS one sin, blasphemy of the holy spirit, that was unforgivable with sacrifices but even that is forgivable now. But, the idea is that a true christian who is born again, WANTS to do good. One of the big things of the bible is trying to explain how bad sin is. Why would you bite the hand of your provider? Spit in the face of the Lord, because sin is nothing less.

But, in all this, rewards will be given in heaven will be according to your life. Rewards will be recived humbly and in thanks and your works of the earth will be tried by fire. This is a parable of course, the fire that is. Imagin, your actions manifested into something before you, thrown in the fire and all the actions of sin burned away. Whats left is your gift to the Lord.

But, in all this, it is not a competition with fellow christians to see who does the best, but to love the Lord and want to do good.

[cashripper14]

Can God forgive you for taking anothers life or does that individual have to? and im not bringing race im just stating that it helps to understand things around the world when your parents are different races and religions

[Kokujin X]

Can God forgive you for taking anothers life or does that individual have to? and im not bringing race im just stating that it helps to understand things around the world when your parents are different races and religions God can forgive you, but only through Jesus. And what is it the individual has to do?:confused:

[PureEvil760]

god forgive me for slapping you, grabbing ur ass, fucking you, hating you, falsly loving you, trying to kill you, your everything. jesus was nothing..jesus was not praying for the people. nearing his death he experienced what it was like to have an ego, not be wise, to be just like everyone else was..he was confused yelling to god for answers. was this not appropriate?

[mont974x4]

Cash that is a good and fair question. In the book of Romans it actually talks about this. Many people think because of grace they basically have a ticket to sin. This is not true. There's a diference between forgiveness and repentence. When we ask for forgiveness we are basically just admitting that what we did was wrong ad are apologizing for it. When we repent we do ask for forgiveness but it also involves a change in habit and attitude. So, if I just ask for forgiveness but keep committing the sin and keep coming back for forgiveness there is no change in our heart and attitude etc, but when we truly repent there is the change. It comes from a desire to be more Christlike. I am by no means perfect but I rest in the work God does in my heart.

I hope that made sense. lol I'm on my first cup of coffee. If you want to discuss this further in private we can do so by e-mail if you'd like.