Top US evangelist targets Islam

[Great Spirit]

A repeat of the Crusades. I hate this fucken shit and assholes like Pat Robertson. Fundemental religion is the problem of the world! I'd hate to see the place where he goes after he dies.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis
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Outspoken US Christian evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson has accused Muslims of planning world domination, and said some were "satanic".

On his live television programme, The 700 Club, he said radical Islamists were inspired by "demonic power".

A US religious liberty watchdog called the comments "grossly irresponsible".

Mr Robertson had to apologise recently for calling for Venezuela's president to be killed, and saying Ariel Sharon was struck down by divine retribution.

His latest comments were expunged from The 700 Club's website, but Mr Robertson's Virginia-based Christian Broadcasting Network confirmed them with a transcript.

On the programme, the 75-year-old preacher responded to a news item about the reaction of Muslims in Europe to the publishing of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

The footage showed Muslims screaming "May Allah bomb you! May Osama Bin Laden bomb you!"

Mr Robertson said the pictures "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with".

He went on to say that "Islam is not a religion of peace", and "the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen whether you like it or not, is world domination".

Mr Robertson said in a statement later he was referring specifically to terrorists as being motivated by Satan.

The Reverend Barry W Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the comments "grossly irresponsible".

"At a time when inter-religious tensions around the world are at an all-time high, Robertson seems determined to throw gasoline on the fire," he said.

Mr Robertson, who says his programme is watched by a million Americans daily, has come under intense criticism for recent comments.

He suggested that American agents should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez , and said the stroke that left Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in a coma was God's punishment for Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

In both cases he issued an apology within days.

Great Spirit Reviewed by Great Spirit on 03-14-2006. Top US evangelist targets Islam A repeat of the Crusades. I hate this fucken shit and assholes like Pat Robertson. Fundemental religion is the problem of the world! I'd hate to see the place where he goes after he dies. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4805952.stm Outspoken US Christian evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson has accused Muslims of Rating: 5

[Euphoric]

The footage showed Muslims screaming "May Allah bomb you! May Osama Bin Laden bomb you!"

Mr Robertson said the pictures "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with".

He went on to say that "Islam is not a religion of peace", and "the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen whether you like it or not, is world domination".

do you see the irony?! the pure hypocrisy??

[mont974x4]

Are you mad because he's right? Islam is not a peaceful religion. He isn't calling for a crusade either...get over your own hate.

[Great Spirit]

Are you mad because he's right? Islam is not a peaceful religion. He isn't calling for a crusade either...get over your own hate.

No no no you're not listening. Whenever you take religion to an extreme, then problems are created. Christian fundementalism is a very dangerous ideology. The Roman Catholic Church is no different than Islam because it was responsible for the deaths of many "heretics". Robertson is a Christian fundementalist. The true meaning of Christianity and Islam is love. Love for ALL people no matter what religion because we are all One. Why do you think it is written that love is greater than faith? Islam is a very old religion but it is still a religion with fallacies as is Christianity. However, Sufis are Muslim mystics and they understand the concept of religion...that it is the outward form of worship and spirituality is the inward form of worship. Allah, Jehovah, The Lord are all the same.

I used to be a fundemental Christian and would say that Robertson was not Christian enough! They believed that since Israel came together after WWII, that the End Times are upon us and that Satan will use Russia, China, and the Muslim nations to strike America and Israel. 9/11, which was a staged attack by the government to bring a dictatorship in Amerika, is what the fundementalists use to back up their hate against Muslims and it succeded! Remember that Christian fundementalists believe that America was founded by Christian men and that we are God's nation and we must support Israel, lest we fall in favor from God.

Most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are very ignorant. Ignorance is the true evil of the world and they excel at it.

[mont974x4]

alrighty then. lol

[Kokujin X]

No no no you're not listening. Whenever you take religion to an extreme, then problems are created. Christian fundementalism is a very dangerous ideology. The Roman Catholic Church is no different than Islam because it was responsible for the deaths of many "heretics". Robertson is a Christian fundementalist. The true meaning of Christianity and Islam is love. Love for ALL people no matter what religion because we are all One. Why do you think it is written that love is greater than faith? Islam is a very old religion but it is still a religion with fallacies as is Christianity. However, Sufis are Muslim mystics and they understand the concept of religion...that it is the outward form of worship and spirituality is the inward form of worship. Allah, Jehovah, The Lord are all the same.

I used to be a fundemental Christian and would say that Robertson was not Christian enough! They believed that since Israel came together after WWII, that the End Times are upon us and that Satan will use Russia, China, and the Muslim nations to strike America and Israel. 9/11, which was a staged attack by the government to bring a dictatorship in Amerika, is what the fundementalists use to back up their hate against Muslims and it succeded! Remember that Christian fundementalists believe that America was founded by Christian men and that we are God's nation and we must support Israel, lest we fall in favor from God.

Most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are very ignorant. Ignorance is the true evil of the world and they excel at it.

This guy Pat was going out on a limb by saying Isalm is evil, but he is VERY close. Has no one payed attention to the RADICAL muslim movements?! Iran's president himself said that he believes he was appointed by God to bring the end of the world. This radical muslim movement isn't any less dangerous because the middle east population generally doesn't have a stable military though. Do you realize that in the extremist muslim point of view, the 12 Imam (the muslim prophet) is coming to purge the Earth of infidels (anyone who isn't muslim) and "restore" peace to the Earth? And Iran's president says hes coming in 2 year....

I swear, I can't emphisize how much this radical muslim movement is overlooked. What do you think terrorists are? Their just a group of radical muslims who look to prepare the coming of the 12th Imam...

[Great Spirit]

Do you realize that in the extremist muslim point of view, the 12 Imam (the muslim prophet) is coming to purge the Earth of infidels (anyone who isn't muslim) and "restore" peace to the Earth? And Iran's president says hes coming in 2 year....

I believe that only a certain sect of Islam, the Shiias believe in that. It's a ripoff of the return of Jesus. Remember, Christians have killed in the name of God too and we're saying Jesus was going to return to destroy the unfaithful and throw them in a Lake of Fire. Its no different. There have always been radical religionists and Islam is no different. Islam needs to live up to its true meaning of love. We can't have assholes like Iran's leader or even America's leader, Bush in office because they use religion to their own advantage.

People are just fucken dumb and should realize the true meaning of religion.

[Kokujin X]

I believe that only a certain sect of Islam, the Shiias believe in that. It's a ripoff of the return of Jesus. Remember, Christians have killed in the name of God too and we're saying Jesus was going to return to destroy the unfaithful and throw them in a Lake of Fire. Its no different. There have always been radical religionists and Islam is no different. Islam needs to live up to its true meaning of love. We can't have assholes like Iran's leader or even America's leader, Bush in office because they use religion to their own advantage.

People are just fucken dumb and should realize the true meaning of religion.

Yes, yes, Christians killed in the name of God too. BUT, their is somewhat of a diffrence here that I see. Events such as the crusades happend because of crazy people, and by that I mean it was them themselfs that commanded these things. There is no passeges in the christain bible that condones the slaughter of a person just because of non-beliefe. The crusades were a horrible event and they were totally in the wronge. BUT, if you read even a few of the 160 some odd Holy war verses in the Koran, you can clearly tell where these radical muslims get their ideas. Here is just an example

[2.193] And fight with them (infidels) until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

These verses can easily be taken in a negetive way (thus the radical muslims) once a bible starts speaking of killing thoes who oppose its God, then things become sticky.

Another diffrence between the 12th Imam and the return of Jesus is that Jesus is to reign for 1000 years, after taking out the anti-christ and all his followers. The 12th Imam comes to reign for 7, creating peace during the start of his reign. He does this by basically "restoring" the earth to an all Islam state. Or at least, an all Islam ruled state. I'm not so sure how the Dijaul ties into muslim end time prophesies though...

[Oneironaut]

Right. It all depends on which passages you choose to read, and which you choose to ignore. Christianity and Islam aren't inherently "peaceful" or "hateful". If you look through their holy books, you'll find messages of peace alongside messages calling for genocide. It's just proof that the authors of those books were not divine.

For example, looking through the Christian Bible, it's not hard to find passages telling you to be peaceful.

Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another.

But then we find God calling for or causing the deaths of adulterers, gays, believers in other gods, children who make fun of bald guys, and anyone who happens to have been born into the Amalekite tribe:

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

As long as such statements continue to be printed in Bibles everywhere, it's clear that Christianity cannot be a peaceful religion. I suppose it's good that most Christians either ignore those passages or don't bother to read their own holy book. But Muslims tend to live in very religious surroundings. They read the Koran and they take it seriously. That's the only reason there are more people willing to kill and die for Islam than for Christianity, since the Koran contains a similar mix of peaceful and hateful statements.

[Great Spirit]

Another diffrence between the 12th Imam and the return of Jesus is that Jesus is to reign for 1000 years, after taking out the anti-christ and all his followers. The 12th Imam comes to reign for 7, creating peace during the start of his reign. He does this by basically "restoring" the earth to an all Islam state. Or at least, an all Islam ruled state. I'm not so sure how the Dijaul ties into muslim end time prophesies though...

Thats interesting because the Christians believe that there will be 7 years of peace promised when the anti-christ reigns. However a lot of the fundementalists believed the anti-christ would be the last pope and not a member of Islam.

Remember, in the Old Testament, it was commanded that homosexuals and prostitutes were to be put to death on the spot. Also, this god of the OT demands animal sacrifices for remission of sins, with Jesus being a human sacrifice!! In the OT, it is forbidden to have a human sacrifice to atone for sins. Allah of the Koran doesn't seem to care about animal sacrifices though. There is the same amount of violence between the Bible and the Koran. Remember how the OT god said to kill all of the women in children when the Israelites sacked Jerusalem? I thought this was the true God of love as so many profess to believe in, and he's commanding to kill children in his name?!

Remember that Jesus never stoned the prostitute in the Gospel when the Jews tested him. He had compassion for her and technically sinned because he went against the Law. We find now that the Law itself is just a guideline. Jesus was the Jewish Buddha, and probably there will arise among Islam a Master Teacher/future Buddha who will explain the true meaning of Islam.

The question you should be asking, is why Jesus DID NOT stone her when it is commanded in the Law to do so.